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Too little, too late.
You know, I never once seen BP try to shelve the blame or skim out on the costs.
It's an OK temporary fix, but they've got to make a permanent plug with cement down the bore.
Foreign countries have assisted in the response to the corporate crime.
Environmentalists opposed deep water drilling.
Long Beach California is an abomination to many.
Has anybody called the golf course to see what Dear Leader's take is?
Who is Dear Leader?
If you mean the President, he was elected by the citizens of America. So which is it, do you hate elections because they might not go your way, or do you hate American citizens?
Your non-stop whining that began even before Obama took office demonstrates that you are nothing but a sore loser, at best. Just think, after Obama finishes his second term, you will have wasted 8 years of your life being a pathetic, whining loser. Or you just might get your fantasy, and have only wasted four years of your life being a pathetic, whining loser. Either way, you will have wasted years of your life obsessing over something you have no control over.
People who are all about party over country are sick, sad un-American fools.
Go Beatrice! Unfortunately, though your words are true, those who need most to heed them have blinders and ear plugs firmly in place.
The President gave an update on Thursday. His 'take' is that the cap is still being tested and that he is cautiously optimistic but warned that the temporary stopping of the flow of oil means that the problem is 'solved'. Any other questions?
Do you really take umbrage at a parent spending 3 days with his wife and children, getting a bit of a break from what is undoubtedly one of the most stressful jobs in the world? Don't forget Bush was whacking brush, golfing, and hanging with his rich cronies for a full third of his time in office.
He also spent an inordinate amount of time on "vacation" in the weeks before September 11 when he had been warned the White House and other DC buildings were the target of terrorists.
Yea, but Cheney never took a second off.
i am absolutely thrilled!
The question is, will BP still be there over the next many years cleaning the oil out of the marshes and along the shore as it continues to come ashore?
It is all too early to tell. This problem will be with us for at least a generation. BP makes a good scapegoat but as always, time will better reveal where the true guilt should be placed.
How do you figure that they are the scapegoat? BP is the company that built the platform and was in charge of the platform that malfunctioned and exploded, killing eleven in the process. They are responsible, and not just a scapegoat. Who else could be guilty here?
Transocean. Hell-a-burnin. Oops, meant Haliburton. All have a hand in this.
Incorrect. Platform was built in, I believe, South Korea and was owned completely by Transocean. Technically a vessel, it sailed under a foreign flag, God knows where. Marshall islands or some damn place.
Transocean employees worked on the rig but BP drilling engineers called all the shots, mostly remotely from Houston. This is no small part of the problem, I think. Need to be on the rig, listening to the roughnecks and loggers and looking down the damn hole, as it were.
The administration that filled the supposed government oversight agency with people who's philosophy was that corporations should not be subject to government oversight. Oh, and the fools who elected them.
Like the four states now being tarred giving their electoral votes to two oilmen?
It's a good fix until the relief wells are finished, but I'm not satisfied with the amount of time it took to put the caps on.
the rednecks are mad because they can't blame Obama any longer,... now they have to find a new way to spread their racist tea party agenda...
Give me a break!
You are the most ignorant little leftist puppet. Because a group doesnt agree with our black president does not make them racist, anything racist said in tea party actions where said by ultra liberal saboteurs who are trying to discredit the tea party. Take off your blinders, let go of your redneck hatred, Bush is not in office anymore.
It's my understanding the stoppage is only a 48 hour test for measurement of the pressure.
FOX News and the corporate mainstream media do wonderful work on behalf of the ruling class.
Yes we can. Yes we can. It's just a slight rumble now, but growing daily and we are going to sweep the corrupt, jaded, bought and sold Republicans and their tepid teabaggers out of office. Yes we can. Yes we can. Three cheers for Barack Obama! Keep it going. Keep it going. Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!
It's not fixed, it's capped. Pressure is still coming up and the wellhead is cooling off, both good signs. Next step is to drill into the casing of the wild well with the relief well (which is now already there by the wild) and then pump it full of drilling mud and then concrete, killing the well. This is commonly done both onshore and off, just not at a mile of depth.
Trouble is, BP had the well on a fast track and they were using a blowout preventer they knew was dysfunctional to a degree. Turned out it was totally dysfunctional. Throw in a half-assed cement job by subcontractor Halliburton to temporarily put the well to sleep and you gots a disaster. Three, countem, three separate cement plugs in the casing failed.
Nine rig hands and 2 well loggers were incinerated. Somebody needs to be held accountable on at least two fronts.
I was amazed to find out that had this well been brought in successfully, it was 3-6 years from being brought into production.
Well I guess you can conclude they were reckless. Their actions were monitored by an arm of the federal government. I also point out that none of the study groups examining the disaster have reported. Perhaps before we get out the lynch rope we should wait for the verdict??
Well you normally wait until accountability is determined before you hang the perp. The mob has determined accountability - I will await the review teams.
I would also observe if I am paying the federal government to do oversight, I expect them to do it. If they fail, they are part of the problem. I am flat tired of paying obscene sums of tax money to impose regulations that are supposed to preclude these problems and finding the regulator has been co -opted by the regulated.
There is a responsibility on the party of government management to insure that does not happen. Where was that failure or were they duped?
george w. bush gave the wealthy an enormous break on their taxes. You got significantly reduced government services. Sucker.
That was a really intelligent response. We all were hammered in the gulf.
George Bush must be super-human. He is responsible for everything. The Congressional oversight role was eliminated. Internal management was all fired. The justice department looked the other way. The media was too busy worrying about Mel Gibson to pay attention. In case you might not have noticed, we have many mechanisms to try to insure that things work properly. What happened here - really?
Well, ok, the sarcasm may have been a bit much, but I think the substance of what I said stands.
You expected government oversight to reduce the likelihood of a disaster such as that committed by BP in the Gulf. You expressed anger that your tax dollars were not being used competently. I simply pointed out george w. bush's priority was to cut taxes for the wealthy in pursuit of a failed ideology (cutting taxes has never produced reduced deficits.) As a result, the competence you demand was lacking. You have a right to be angry, but not at the government agency that was underfunded and "led" by industry lackeys and apologists, but rather those who created the conditions in which the BP failure was the entirely predictable consequence. The right wingers suckered the country. That only half of us recognize that is the continuing tragedy.
The Bush admin is a great cheerleader of a laissez faire government. Which means hands off no matter what. Enforcement arms of agencies are streamlined aka cleaned out or laid off. Thus we have industries such as oil and banking that have little to no oversight. Too much work for too few enforcement people.
Without agents to constantly investigate then enforce ordinances/regulation/legislation corp america will say screw it. Next thing we taxpayers are paying for what should have been enforced.
BP is just one example.
1989--President George Herbert Walker Bush unveils Savings & Loan bailout plan in February at a cost of $1.4 trillion shortly after Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist
14 Oct 2008 - President George W. Bush unveiled the largest taxpayer funded bail out of American banks since the great depression yesterday, sparking claims that America is now a socialist state like Cuba and North Korea (Father Bush did it then Son Bush)
Now the question is: Who has monitored and inspected the BP work?
I say the USA government should sieze BP assets until WE know no more leaking and until all is cleaned up and until all business people and their employees are doing well again.
AND for all those cleaning people who are experiencing illness from the toxic oil are well taken care of NOT on OUR dollar.
Can BP be trusted ever again? Probably not.
Disingenuous to an extreme.
MMS is there. What happened? We have a lot of regulatory mechanism - did they fail in BP? Did they fail in the financial meltdown?
Most of the big regulatory failures are bi-partisan - both parties have their fingers in the pot. Money is the driver. Greed the motive.
Ok, BP is guilt. What are they guilty of doing? They had all the government issued permits to drill. What they were doing was legal. There is no evidence that any aspect of their drilling was conducted recklessly. The lose of the platform and the men on it make finding such evidence problematic.
Is this really about drilling for oil. Is BP the current whipping boy for those that detest our carbon economy and want action now to end it?
Frightening. Machiavelli must be proud.
George, you're not paying attention. And you call Merrill 'disingenuous' (boy am I tired of that word) while essentially agreeing with him. And you say there is no evidence of reckless drilling while in fact there is a lot of evidence from those on the platform and associated with the operation that there was indeed a great deal of recklessness.
And you join in on the conspiratorial notion that this is an 'out' or an 'in' for those of us who think we've gone down the gasoline alley far enough. This is 'really about' insisting that those who will profit from the earth's riches respect and protect this precious rock we call home. It is 'really about' insisting that when harm is done, those responsible are accountable. This is 'really about' finding out just how deeply the oil interests have permeated our (I repeat OUR) government and have been double dipping on the tax payer dollar for decades. Take subsidies, pay no taxes, and cost us billions in their price fixed commodities and disastrous mistakes.
Credit card companies charging 25-40% interest is "legal" due to the corruption of our legislative processes. Does not make it right.
II do not have a problem with the sentiment in your second paragraph.
I have a problem with a rush to judgment. I have read your posts collectively. I am not sure you all are reading mine. I have not rejected your point about BP.
My problem is with the rush to judgment. I demand due process. Mr. Obama has created a commission to review this matter and it has not reported. Everything else at this point is unsubstantiated.
I tire of a world viewed through specific prisms. The environmentalist prism seems to want criminal punishment. The Democratic prism seems to want to use this problem to drive legislation almost totally unrelated to it.
How about we get the facts before we make decisions about who did what and what we need to do about it. Media reporting is not factual. It selectively interviews people and runs with the most controversial aspect. I believe that the stories about "recklessness" on the rig have not been validated by disinterested parties. I am not even sure we even have a common understanding as to what constitutes "recklessness" in such an environment.
So do not patronize me or put word in my keyboard.
The WP agrees with me
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