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Should fingerprints made during an arrest be used later by the FBI or immigration officials to determine whether someone is an illegal immigrant?

Response Percent Votes
Yes
 
86% 949
No
 
10% 116
Not sure
 
2% 31
Total 1096

Comments

Hacky 4 years, 8 months ago

And DNA should be used also,illegal is illegal,and that's all I've got to say about that!

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

Should fingerprints made during an arrest be used later by any law enforcement agency investigating the commission of a crime. That's why fingerprints obtained during a legal arrest are saved after the crime has been adjudicated. Right? Or do criminals or suspected criminals have a right to expunge their past?

jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Have to wonder about the single no vote.

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

Right anyone who disagrees with the Jonas, gotta be suspicious of them. They don't think like you do. I say, good for them. They probably thought it through on their own and decided without conviction, no citizen should be put on a list.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

"...no citizen should be put on a list." Illegal aliens should be. The whole catch and release thing the feds have been doing is a waste. One and done should be the model.

jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

If they're illegal immigrants, then they're not a citizen, are they?

You know something scary? You're on a list right now! A list of ljworld posters!

mwahahahahahaha!

But thank you, I wondered if there was a rational, thoughtful reason. Thank you for showing that there isn't.

Larry McGlinn 4 years, 8 months ago

If a person is in the country illegally, he/she is not a citizen!

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Will they be taking prints off the fence along the border to make their comparisons? Or will it be a volunteer system, as people cross the border illegally they stop and leave their fingerprints at a special station set up in the desert?

Unless we have the fingerprints of all citizens on file, I don't see how fingerprints to find illegals will be possible.

I have my own question: Are you willing to have your fingerprints kept on file to help capture illegal aliens?

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

Talk about not grasping the question or the concept.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

So you are willing to have your fingerprints on file to help capture illegals then?

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

Still unable to grasp the concept, eh? Why would my fingerprints need to be on file to help cature illegals, bea? How on God's green Earth do you think that's what would need to transpire?

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Jay, I understand the concept. I'm offering an alternative to that concept. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? (Oh, and dusting the fence for fingerprints was clearly intended as humor, since many just go around the fence.)

If all citizens' fingerprints were kept on file, then any time someone is caught who didn't have their fingerprints recorded we would instantly know they are here illegally and we can ship them out of our country. See how easy that works? We could make it mandatory to show your fingerprints to use a banking account, get a driver's license, buy groceries. I mean, why aren't we getting tough on these criminals? Fingerprints don't show on the registery, and the jack boots come in and take you away. (Ever see the movie "Brazil"? Something like that.) Fingerprint everyone, then we don't need to worry about profiling any ethnic group or race.

So, the question remains, would you be willing to be fingerprinted for the good of the country to help fight the scurge that is our illegal immigrant problem?

As I see it, be it a national identification card or national fingerprint data base, this is where we are headed.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

" I mean, why aren't we getting tough on these criminals?"

Your solution to get tough on criminals is to fingerprint the the law-abiders? Seems like you're pretending to play nice simply to set a trap, but if not and you're serious ...please. What's next in the chain? Breathalyzers and governors in all cars? Retinal scans for entry into any store? By all means, let's inconvenience and brand the overwhelming majority because of the sins of the minority.

Doesn't matter, I'm fairly certain this is just a poorly veiled ruse.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes jay, I am setting a diabolical trap for you!

Paranoid much?

I'm not playing nice, either. We are well past that, although if attempts are made to converse with me I am likely to respond, even when needless and childish insults are thrown in (not that you are doing so here).

The fingerprinting idea isn't my "solution," as you put it. It is a question -- how much are people willing to inconvenience themselves or give up of their rights in order to catch illegal aliens? No trap or game. Just an exaggeration (fingerprints to check out at the grocery store) to get to the basic concept of how much personal freedom are people willing to give up in order to catch criminals (illegals).

You used an interesting choice of words with regard to inconveniencing the majority because of the sins of the minority. That is how I, and many others, feel about the new law in Arizona. Inconvenience the majority of Hispanics in the state, who are citizens, just so we can catch the minority. Make the majority feel like second-class citizens in order to catch the minority. Put them under the scrutiny of the local police to determine whether or not they are actually citizens in their own country.

The idea of racial profiling is a real concern for citizens, and clearly of the writers of the new AZ law as well. This is why they went back after it was passed in an attempt to clean it up. However, it will still lead to profiling -- people getting pulled over just because of how they look. It doesn't take an arrest, as I saw you stated elsewhere recently, just a lawful stop, like a traffic stop, for cops to ask people if they have their papers and can prove their citizenship. How would you like to be the one being looked at this way by the cops, where they are looking at you wondering if you are indeed illegally in your own country?

There has to be a better way.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

" Inconvenience the majority of Hispanics in the state, who are citizens, just so we can catch the minority"

And that's the common fallacy that keeps getting tossed out there, as if every person of hispanic descent is going to be 'inconvenienced.' Sorry, but people aren't going to be pulled over for 'being hispanic', and not every hispanic will even be queried as to their citizenship. The police have to have 'reasonable suspicion' to proceed further, and seeing as the force is near 50% hispanic throughout the state, who better to investigate? It's a shame there isn't a better way, it's more of a shame that our elected officials have been playing 'hide our thumbs up our bums' for the last 35 years. And it's a joke that a state has to do the unthinkable and actually enforce a federal law that apparently was written just so it could be ignored. But all this screaming and whining about the law is a joke, too. Oh Dear! I have to carry proper ID!! Welcome to society, folks.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

Oh, and "poorly veiled ruse" doesn't translate to "diabolical".

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

"Sorry, but people aren't going to be pulled over for 'being hispanic'"

I simply don't see how you can make that statement with any conviction. Being pulled over for being Black isn't an unheard of phenomena. The same will happen with this law. It will.

And true, not every hispanic in the state will be queried as to their citizenship, but to live in a state where people ARE queried just because they are hispanic puts all in a bad light. I've read on here of people saying they could just tell by looking at someone if they were illegal or not. That attitude isn't a rare one, although furtunately, it isn't the prevalent one either. As I said before, if it were Canadians we had to worry about and whites were the minority, you might be singing a different tune.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

Your last sentence is offensive, and I never use that word. I'm already on the record saying I don't give a damn what color the illegals skin is nor where they hail from. If it was an influx of Canadiens we were dealing with, so be it; seek proof from every white person. It's also puzzling this keeps coming up since I'm pretty sure there's a large contingent of white skinned hispanics, is there not? And in case you haven't flown in a while, we have to succumb there no matter who you are, and that's perfectly fine with me. I've been 'selected for random search' numerous times and all I do is smile, comply, tell them to take their time, and thank them for the job they're doing. Like I said, Arizona law enforcement is largely hispanic already, so I'm doubting incidents of strict profiling are going to be anywhere near the level blacks have endured. Sure there's going to be some 'cuz there's too many bigoted morons running around, but this new law isn't going to make those officers suddenly biggoted; they're already that way so the risk is the same with the law or without it. The Arizona law simply puts federal law into action. In my opinion, this could be the biggest failure of the Obama presidency. He's about used up his chits for this term when he promised that immigration reform would be one of his top priorities. If he'd addressed it out of the gate, he probably could have gotten some kind of amnesty w/ penalties passed through, just like Reagan and W. wanted. But he very well may have blown it. Pity. But something needs be done, and this is about as innocuous as it gets.

impska 4 years, 8 months ago

Legal immigrants are already required to submit their fingerprints as part of the immigration process. If a hit comes up in USCIS' database, it would show whether that person is in the system as a legal immigrant, or someone whose status has expired or been revoked, or someone who has previously been deported.

While the net wouldn't catch "first time offender" illegal immigrants who have never had interactions with USCIS, it would catch what is probably the majority of illegals: repeat offenders, and those who have outstayed their visas or had their status revoked.

As for your question - it's a moot point for me. USCIS already has mine on file.

1029 4 years, 8 months ago

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Liberty275 4 years, 8 months ago

Babies are atheists. Why would you baptize an atheist?

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

Any one who doesn't see this as a list, and also believes there aren't lists being made is either in preschool or doesn't watch the news. Yes Virginia there is a list, and those that made the list made it illegally, their hate exceeded their professional ethics. Like Kline, he used his office to invade patient's rights to further the attack against what he hated. Hate is a driving force behind lists. Don't lie about it to yourself and you might not lie about it to others. It doesn't lead to high roads.

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

Embracing hate and the low road must be a comfort. I am amazed that people don't understand the strength and honor democracy holds. Fascism has a bold face but a cowards heart.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm running out of Godwin flags on this thread. BTW, if wanting to preserve the rule of law in America makes me a bad person, spank me now.

Amy Heeter 4 years, 8 months ago

This is only until they get a Social Security card. Seriouslu though most esidents of this country have been finger printed a few times, It is a good way to deter identity theft and other crimes.

Liberty275 4 years, 8 months ago

LOL. The FBI doesn't care if a person is an undocumented alien. They are too busy busting people for selling plant material to be concerned with citizenship.

No. Nobody needs to have their status as a citizen checked unless a specific warrant is issued to allow the check. 4th amendment to the left and right's toilet tissue say's so.

John Hamm 4 years, 8 months ago

This is a "no brainer" YES! Look at the numbers of individuals with previous records caught using this system!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

I guess RFID tags in illegal aliens would be too expensive....

Stuart Evans 4 years, 8 months ago

they could try...perhaps administered via blowguns as they run into the country. We won't try to stop them any longer, we just dart them, let them run a few thousand yards and snipe them with a chip-guided satellite laser. heck we could do the same thing with just about any undesirable types you find running around the streets of America.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

A national data base already exists, babboy. And like the Arizona law, an arrest has to be made first in order to proceed. Anybody that gets processed gets printed and your prints are on file. Since there's a high rate of illegals returning once deported, if they were to be busted again the prints would be readily available, just like with any other criminal.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

An arrest does NOT have to be made in the case of the Arizona law, unless you think a simple traffic stop is the same as an arrest. Were it intended just for people arrested for committing other crimes while being in the country illegally, then there wouldn't be the backlash against it.

jaywalker 4 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, you're correct. You have to have broken the law or given the police probable cause to detain you, not arrested.

grammaddy 4 years, 8 months ago

Not a bad idea. I don't have a problem with the fingerprints either. Mine are already on file from the days of youthful foolishness.The 60's were a lot of fun!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Illegal aliens should be considered as high flight risk any time bail is being considered.

Tom Wilson 4 years, 8 months ago

Most countries require a foreigner to have a passport with them at all times (or presentable within 24 hours in a few countries). It should be that simple...do you have your passport or not? If not, you are escorted out of the country. Other countries treat us that way. Turnabout is more than fair play. Fingerprints? Not necessary in my opinion. I have lived and worked in England, Ireland, Italy, Germany, Venezuela, Japan and Trinidad & Tobago. Each country has the equivalent of a double term paper (in terms of effort) requirement in securing a work permit. Each of those countries have very strict standards on carrying your passport with you. Yet our government, with all of its technology know-how, claims that it is impossible to keep illegal immigrants out. Rediculous!!!!

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

Anyone concerned about being on government "lists" can use the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request form to determine where and what lists they may be on. Of course once you make this request you will be placed on one. Enjoy your paranoia.

Anyone who believes they are NOT on a government list are living in a dream world.

Richard Payton 4 years, 8 months ago

Ribonucleic Acid (RNA) better than Deoxyribonucleic Acid (DNA) then combine with battery assisted passive RFID tags better than active RFID tags or passive RFID tags. Fingerprints seem so old school but still a reliable tool.

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

The real crooks hidden behind illegal immigration are Kansas members of Congress and Senate, Brownback, Robertson. will present some hate based regulation that loads the blame and penalty on the illegal immigrant. It is a great almost powerless target, warms the racist's heart and doesn't affect the cash cow. The corporations, Congress and Senate should be the ones in the spotlight. Stand up and blame the people responsible , We need a working visa program. Look at the million dollar penalties we aren't collecting from businesses that employ illegals. Corporations, developers, skim billions from costs while winking at work safety and labor laws. Do we care about them, no we hate the workers. Look at the next large construction job in this town. If you hate illegal immigration, don't yell at the workers, yell at who is paying them to cross the river. Hold Brownback and Robertson responsible, hold the corporations and developers who hire them responsible. They sit raking in the dough. They fight a working visa program, don't you know, it would be bad for business.

Don Whiteley 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes, we should go after the businesses as well, but from your point of view, we should allow anyone who is not caucasian to flagrantly break the laws of our country, just because he's not caucasian. Isn't that a bit racist?

pace 4 years, 8 months ago

Bigots read what they want. What I said was there should be a working visa program, what you heard was your own shuttered mind. You want to talk about what color illegal aliens are. If that is your obsession, go ahead but don't use my name, If that is your thing, you have a right, but don't try to make out I am racists because I hold congress, the senate and corporate powers responsible. You seem to care about a certain population in the illegal alien industry and want to single them out for your ire. That is you, I am sorry for you and for your families and friends but no thanks, pass the hat but I won't be contributing.

Don Whiteley 4 years, 8 months ago

Absolutely...and with a passion. When a person is arrested, it's standard police procedure to check outstanding warrants for other crimes. The only difference here is that our current administration doesn't consider sneaking into our country a crime, even though the laws of our country say that it is. We finally have an admininistration that truly, openly, and loudly proposes breaking the laws of our country.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Please provide us with a link to prove that the current administration doesn't think entering the country illegally is a crime.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

She said actions are taken against illegals, then adds the last bit. Is it possible that for the last part, the controversial part, she was talking about legal immigrants crossing the border, not illegal immigrants? She didn't say crossing the border "illegally" isn't a crime, just that "crossing the border" isn't a crime, per se. She is correct. We have many people who cross our border legally every day, thus crossing the border isn't a crime per se.

That is a possible interpretation of what she said. However, if she meant it as it appears she meant it, then she was wrong. The good thing about being wrong is you can be corrected and learn from it.

Saying something and being wrong a year plus ago doesn't mean the administration still believes this to be true today. It doesn't mean that the administration currently believes that crossing the border "illegally" isn't a crime.

What does the administration say now?

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes, you should read it that way. Amnesty isn't about giving working rights to people here legally who already have those rights. Amnesty is exactly what John McCain use to claim he wanted, before he got scared of the loud conservatives who really want to blame everything on illegals. We can't really do anything about the wars we are in or the deficit, so lets go after the people here illegally. That is something people can hang their frustrations on.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Oh, the current regime recognizes that illegal entry is a crime, they've just decided they don't want to do anything that would really cut down the flood of potential Democrats.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Spoken like a Republican who just profiled a large group of people. Don't want to help open doors for legal citizenship because Republicans are afraid of how people will vote. Wow. Could you be more crass?

Instead of always putting party first and worrying about voters, why not start thinking about people. Are you even capable of this?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

There is already a door for legal citizenship. It's called "come here legally and obey our laws".

osi 4 years, 8 months ago

The pot is calling the kettle black. Aren't most of us illegals? I got European and Middle Eastern blood in me. I don't think any of those ancestors received any legal "okie dokie" from the Native Americans when they moved on over to this country. How do we tell our children that our form of illegal entry (and subsequent conquest and genocide) into an already inhabited country is correct over the mostly peaceful entry of Hispanics?

puddleglum 4 years, 8 months ago

no they wouldn't, they died of disease....besides, wal-mart would have bought em out years ago.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

ed, I think you should stop using the tools of the White Devils. Those would include electricity and computers. Have fun out there on the prairie.

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