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In this economy, should a high school senior preparing for college attend a community college first before heading off to a four-year school?

Response Percent Votes
Attend a community college first
56% 794
Head straight to a four-year school
32% 459
Not sure
10% 146
Total 1399


RogueThrill 8 years, 2 months ago

Depends on daddies bank account. If it is less than 6 digits then get your ass to a community college or trade school.

John Hamm 8 years, 2 months ago

They NEVER seem to offer the one most applicable answer.

ClaroAtaxia 8 years, 2 months ago

Where is the option for self-teaching?! You can just look up the textbooks each course in your program uses, buy, and read them. No sense in going back and forth to campus so a GTA can read you excerpts. Employers can easily tell if you know what you're talking about, so the degree is secondary, it's the knowledge they're looking for.

newmedia 8 years, 2 months ago

Don't Community Colleges now basically teach what was taught in high school in years past?

cowboy 8 years, 2 months ago

Depends on your location , if you have to commute to a Junior college and you have a University in your town it costs no more to attend KU. Commuting to KC from here you'll burn up a 10,000 car in a year or two plus all the gas , maintenance , and travel time that you could have spent working.

dinglesmith 8 years, 2 months ago

If you go to juco for a couple of years and then a University, I can virtually promise that you'll spend 3 years, not 2 at the University. Transfers of credit, particularly in Kansas, are not one-to-one. That will pretty much wipe out any savings you get from going to juco.

You should go with what's best for you educationally and what will get you to your goals. The difference between juco followed by university and just university is not that great. The difference between either and failing is huge.

mom_of_three 8 years, 2 months ago

Nearly all of my credits transferred from Juco to KU, and I haven't attended juco in years.
If money is an issue, it does make sense to go to juco for a year or two to get the basic credits out of the way. Not sure about all schools, but KU's website can tell you if the classes you are taking at juco will transfer.
High school seniors graduate with many college credits received from jucos, and have come to KU with their credits transferring.
But it just depends on where you go.

Boeing 8 years, 2 months ago

This absolutely is a case-by-case basis, involving student desires, maturity, grades, and finances. I wen't straight to KU from high school, and I loved it. However, some of my smartest friends went through CCs due to many things such as money, and not know quite what they wanted to do with their lives, and they are incredibly happy and successful with that decision.

fan4kufootball 8 years, 2 months ago

I think it depends on the student and the major they plan on studing for. Sometimes it just makes more sense to go straight to a 4-year university.

tomatogrower 8 years, 2 months ago

JackRipper, I agree with this, and the high schools should be do the same. Much job training should begin there, and have separate programs for the scholars.

mr_right_wing 8 years, 2 months ago

Back in the cold war days of the USSR, the government decided for you...if you were intelligent enough you were allowed to go to university, if you weren't it was straight to a trade/technical school with your assigned career for life. Of course if you were athletically inclined, Olympic training was your whole life.

If you ask me, this would be the next logical step to follow after Obamacare. We can call it ObamaEd. If the government makes all your medical decisions for you, why not all your educational/career decisions as well??

Mel Briscoe 8 years, 2 months ago

i agree w/ py on the "depends on the kid" thing but i do think that is a great way to go for the majority of youngsters. unless that kid is just super gifted in an area and you don't think that a community college will challenge him/her or if your kid gets a kick-ass scholarship to a 4 year college... those would be the only reasons for a recent highschool grad to NOT go to a community college first.

dani36921 8 years, 2 months ago

I am a high school senior. I am going to a KU next year and plan on paying for college on my own. Am I stupid?

angel4dennis 8 years, 2 months ago

I go to a community college. I am 38 years old and went back to school about a year ago and am almost finished with my AAS degree. This is enough of a higher education to do what I want but I will be transferring to a 4 year. I like the cc in the aspect that I don't have to deal with a lot of young, just out of the gate children that only want to party and move out of their parent's houses. There are smaller classes and less drama and I really like that. I think it should be a personal choice for the individual. Being an "older" student allows me to see what not finishing college 20 years ago has done to my life. So now I try to encourage children to go to school for the education while they do not have families, jobs, or distractions hindering them. As far as KU, why do we not hear about the debate teams, the chess clubs, the academic "sports" instead, we have all the dang drama over the football issues, even cover stories. This is why I will not to KU. They aren't getting my tuition to pay for another sporting event or staff.

jayhawklawrence 8 years, 2 months ago

I attended KU in the 70's. Then, after 9/11, I went to JCC for a year and then continued online and some weekends.

I would highly recommend JCC for anyone. It is very comfortable, affordable, friendly and with lots of hiding places with big soft chairs and a short walk for a hot coffee and snack.

I had good teachers at both schools.

If you don't feel you are ready for the commitment KU requires, ramp up with JCC and then you have a lot of options for transferring your credits.

The counselors at JCC are very good and very personal. JCC is more personal than KU.

KU could learn a few things from JCC.

texburgh 8 years, 2 months ago

Yet another moronic question from the LJW. The answer is never black or white, yes or no.

It all depends. First, can you afford all four years at a four year institution and will you finish in four years? Is there a quality community college near you that really does provide the equivalent coursework of a four year institution (for us, the answer is yes - we have Johnson County Community College which is excellent). Are you eligible for need or merit scholarships? What are your ultimate goals - medical school or a business degree? English major or pre-law?

You answer these and other questions, look at the quality of programs at the community college versus the four year institution, and make a decision based on what's best for you in the long term.

Stop trying to put everything in a yes/no format!

tomatogrower 8 years, 2 months ago

mr_right_wing (Anonymous) says… Back in the cold war days of the USSR, the government decided for you…if you were intelligent enough you were allowed to go to university, if you weren't it was straight to a trade/technical school with your assigned career for life. Of course if you were athletically inclined, Olympic training was your whole life.

Almost every country in the world does this, not just the USSR. That's because the college eduction is essentially free. Some countries expect you to work a year for free to pay them back, but they aren't going to let someone in who is just there to party. Also kids and parents take their children's early education much more seriously than our country does. That's why they score higher on math tests. We expect all of our kids to know upper level math concepts. They only worry about their scholars. Those who can only do basic math get job training so they can make a living. We push all our kids to go to college, and those who aren't cut out for it are just on their own when they graduate. They have to find job training then, instead of getting it in high school. Many of them just work menial, low paying retail jobs now that companies have taken so much factory work out of the country. In the past you used to be able to make a modest living with just a high school degree. Now those kids who are just not scholars have to find the money to go to a trade school or live in poverty while working 2 jobs. College life should be defined by scholarly work and research, not parties and sports. Our country is reaching the gladiator, decadent stage of a super power. We've learned little from the Romans.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 2 months ago

JOCO is an excellent learning institutuion. In fact if it goes 4 year it will hit KU deep.

One answer could be that it depends on the students objectives?

Or another could be are all KU classes better than JOCO? The answer is no.

willie_wildcat 8 years, 2 months ago

I went to Cowley County Community College for two years (fell one class short of my Associates DOH!) then transferred to Kansas State. I had a scholarship to Cowley which saved my parents and I a great deal of money and I got all my basics done. When I transferred I took a few electives I needed but the rest were core courses for my degree and graduated in three years. So I am huge fan of going to a community college as most of the courses will be accepted by the larger colleges (for the most part).

number3of5 8 years, 2 months ago

As usual a lot of these comments wandered off subject a little. As for a community college, it is a wonderful way to get your feet wet, so to speak and learn about college life a little. It also helps to get many of your basic required courses out of the way for many degree choices. One needs to be sure the credits transfer to the college of your choice later. KU is not the only college around. There are many choices availabe. Getting a good GPA in community college classes is a good way of meeting requirements for scholarships when you transfer to a 4 year degree. As for me I was one of the lucky ones who were able to attend Haskell Indian Nations University and recieved my four year degree in just 4 years. Choices always need to be taken in consideration of funding, maturity, and ability. Talk with parents, guardians, teachers, and college advisors. They will help guide you to the best fit for each individual.

Ricky_Vaughn 8 years, 2 months ago

I started with JCCC and can only rave about the place. Lower cost, better teacher/student ratio, tons of resources to utilize, plus you don't get that "lost in the shuffle" feel you might get at a big university like KU.

That being said, if you take the Juco route, plan ahead! For example, if you know you want to transfer from JCCC to KU, make sure you're taking classes that will transfer! Most liberal arts classes will transfer, but it can be a bit restrictive in other areas.

I did 3 1/2 years at JCCC and transferred to Ottawa University for 1 1/2 years to finish up (KU wouldn't transfer a lot of my credits, Ottawa let me transfer 96 hrs for JCCC!). I finished in 5 years and came out with only $6,000 in debt (paid off in 6 months). Even though Ottawa is considerably more expensive than KU, the overall cost of my education was cheaper than 4 or 5 years at KU.

FYI, for those who can wait. If you're 24, you no longer have to report your parents incomes on your FAFSA, regardless of whether you live with them or not. If you make less than $13,000, you will qualify for full Pell grants (up to like $3,500/semester). I was actually making money I could keep while I was going to JCCC since the classes are cheaper.

It's a bit unconventional, but it's a way to get through 2-3 years of school and keep your debt down. Just one way to take advantage of the system.

Janet Lowther 8 years, 2 months ago

For basic liberal arts freshman curriculum, community colleges cost about half their four-year competitors. As I understand it, JCCC requires courses to be approved for transfer credit by KU & KSU before they'll offer 'em.

Now, the professional schools who accept students directly out of high school, like architecture or pharmacy are a different story. . .

domino 8 years, 2 months ago

dani - you are not crazy but you will have to really be on your toes! Know of a young lady who put herself thru Community College then KU - got her degree and didn't have a dime of student loans. Her parents were not in a financial position to offer much help and she did it on her own - worked 1-2 jobs while attending school - did lots of grant/scholarship applications, etc. but got her degree without owing a dime. Pretty unheard of in this day and age. Good luck to you on your quest.

In my opinion, unless parents can and choose to foot the bill for schooling, (and I don't think any parents should, but that is for a different story!) community college is a great way to go. Just be on top of things. My daughter went to community college for 2 years before transfering to get her teaching degree. She knew where she wanted to transfer to before she ever started community college. When she enrolled in the community college, she already had a list of all the prerequisits she would have to have taken to transfer to the 4 year school. She took that list with her every semester when she went to enroll to make sure she was taking what she needed. She also checked with the 4 year school to make sure all of her credits would transfer. More than once, the community college tried to tell her she needed something different, and she would have to get out her paperwork to show them that she had to have specific classes that they were telling her she didn't need or needed something else.

By taking college classes offered by her high school during regular school time, she was able to spend 2 years a the community college, then another year and a half at the 4 year school and have her teaching degree. You just really have to stay on top of things!!

Danimal 8 years, 2 months ago

JCCC is a great and inexpensive way to pick up those gen. ed. credits for a four year school at about a quarter of the cost. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but I think for a lot of kids that are wasting time and money at our universities it would be a better option.

mr_right_wing 8 years, 2 months ago

No, tomatogrower; not even the former Soviet countries do that anymore. Now you can apply and not get into college, but you at least have the freedom to try. I can say I want to be a brain surgeon, and even try to do it and fail miserably. We were (not are) talking about a system where the government told you exactly what to do and exactly how to do it. There was no arguing, no appeals. They didn't just dictate the field/industry you would work, they were exact..."You'll be a nuclear engineer at [name of facility}" Cuba and China may still do this....and unfortunately soon, so might the U.S. if we stick to this socialst fast-track we're on.

West_Sider 8 years, 2 months ago

Agree with much of what is being said here.

My wife and I both did a 2 yr stretch in the KS CC world before graduating from the KS state university system. We both believe that we got an excellent education (BS Finance and BS Engineering) and love the fact that neither our parents nor ourselves had to go into debt to get it done.

It would be interesting to see what would happen, from a higher education funding standpoint, if students scoring below a certain level on the SAT were required to get a two year degree or equivalant from an accredited CC before attending KS state universities.

ldvander 8 years, 2 months ago

Yep, Military or civil service mandatory at age 18. No more pimping out liberal arts studies to kids. Education at the University level is such a scam. Secondary education is failing. We need to look into a better system. Trade schools should be free.

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