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religion and spirituality have little to do w/ one another.
I am rethinking this from an earlier post I made on the same subject. Religion is important because it shows us the right right to behave and the right things to do.
Ritual is a conduit, a method of disengaging from this world and moving into a different way of thinking.
Spiritual is the interior world where you connect on a very deep level with what you believe.
Both are needed for a complete faith experience.
It does not take religion to be moral. That is a misnomer, and is exactly what the religious leaders want you to believe. I am in by no means religious or spiritual, yet I find it reprehensible to murder or rape. Where does my morality come from? Morality is an evolved trait for humans that has helped us to achieve our societies.
"Ritual is a conduit, a method of disengaging from this world and moving into a different way of thinking."
depending on the level of disengaging, I can get this very same feeling from smoking a joint or eating magic mushrooms. But I know full well that the world it takes me to is fantasy and/or temporary.
More spiritual than religious.
HIstory and science can also show us the right ways to behave and how to not keep repeating the same mistakes, if we pay attention.
It's pretty obvious that religion doesn't always precede
the right way to behave (see Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, Catholic priest scandals, et al). Even an animal that has no religion nor spirituality can learn proper civilized behavior.
Both morality and spirituality are independent of religion, though many of the fundamentalist churches say otherwise.
Many of the fundamentalist churches set great store by the "Conversion" story: Where someone claims to have been a horrible sinner until he accepted Jesus into his heart and straightened up.
That is the reason many of those churches are extremely anti-Masonic: Masons teach that morality is independent of religion.
I have an opportunity to join the Masons. My father and his father were masons, as was my mother's father. However, there is one piece of that pie which I cannot wrap my mind around. You must have a belief in a higher power. It doesn't say you have to be religious, but you must believe in something. I think that my firm belief in not believing just isn't going to cut it with those guys.
^^^ my boyfriend has studied masonry and it is pretty interesting. some aspects are kind of weird and cryptic as all get-out but is is interesting regardless. i don't think its anything i would ever want to be a part in though.
If nihilism is a religion, count me in! Not that it will matter in a million years.
Liberty 275: why so long? If you posted at 1:25pm, why does it even matter now at 3:02pm? Actually, it didn't matter at the time you were hitting SEND. :)
I feel am both spiritual and religious but I dislike churches. Wherever I go, something just rubs me the wrong way.
Yesterday, for example, I found out that a couple and their family were leaving the church I grew up in (my parents still attend). These people who have been members for about 15 years are just stand up people, good role models, helpful in the community, and feel very passionate about being missionaries....but this certain denomination will not let them.
Both have had previous marriages (with horrible people)...they divorced, found each other, and created a wonderful loving healthy marriage. BUT because they have a divorce on their record, they are not allowed to be missionaries.
I think it’s ridiculous. That's the part that really bugs me about churches...you'll always find stuff like that that seems very counter productive in what they are trying to accomplish.
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