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Does it really matter?
I've seen a published image of it already.
Where did you see that? I've seen a published image of live birth but not birth certificate.
They're the same thing. Different states have different names for the same document. My Kansas birth certificate is a Certificate of Live Birth and carries an embossed seal, making it official. The one we have seen for Obama is similarly embossed.
But I would like to see his plan to cut the deficit, cut the budget and a means to foster job creation instead of all of his other expletives deleted. i.e, kicking Israel in the nads, bowing to toadies, health care boondoogle, unecessary bailouts, cap and tax, VAT, amnesty for illegals, BCS reform (WTH?) and anything else that comes across the prompter.
It's been so very very long. Can't we all just get together and elect a normal president again? Someone not from Harvard this time. It hasn't really worked out for us the last 10 years, disasterously the last 2.
Bush went to Yale. And I don't think you want to go there on the prompter thing. Obama is the best speaker this country has ever had at President. Many have used a prompter. The right just wants to call attention to it because he's so good at speaking to the public. Bush tried to use one, but his limited reading skills, made it difficult for him.
Best speaker the country has ever had? Huh? He may be great at reading a script, either memorized or teleprompted, but ask him any question that he's not prepared for and you get, "Well, I, uh... um... ahh... umm...". Terrible.
okay, he can read and speak
Actually Clinton was a much more prolific speaker but, alas, the morals of a snake. I can't get over how the liberals are dismissing all of Obama's speaking blunders, re., "I've visited all 57 States", yet crucified Quale because he mispelled potato. That shouldn't be too surprising since most liberals I know spell it "tator". Why wouldn't we want proof positive of his citizenship since it has been questioned, and citizenship is a requirement by the constitution to be the President? If there is no problem there should be complete cooperation and I'd think Obama would like this settled once and for all.
I agree, no Harvards and such. Middle School is enough and a High School graduate should be tolerated only exceptionally
it DOES MATTER. if our president is breaking the constitutional law of the country then we are in trouble. i don't break the law so he shouldn't either.
AT this moment in time, with all the facts out there, checked, verified and repeated again and again.
Those that still think Obama is not an American Citizen by birth or think he is a Muslim are simply extremist nut jobs and-or idiots.
Was his mom an American Citizen? Doesn't that make him an American Citizen?
another bogus issue
just like the way the rabid Republicans went after Clinton all 8 years
sore losers and cutthroat politicians
keep them as far away from power as possible
for the good of the country
You mean, kinda like the way the Demolibs went after each and everything Bush ever did? It's so amazing you can call his administration a failure after you and the Demolibs attempted to derail everything he ever did. How COULD he succeed when you guys did everything in your power to thwart him?
It might have been different if he had actually TRIED to do something besides make his cronies richer. Or if he hadn't been on vacation every time a crisis presented itself.
Say what ruffian? The elephants controlled the Congress also. Many times they simply locked out the dems and did what they wanted, like destroy the economy, make their buddies richer, bankrupt the country, etc. What planet were you on while this was happening?
Gee, you want to support a personal attack on the President let's talk about GWBs cocaine use, the way he dodged the Vietnam War and the fact that he couldn't put two coherent sentences together without repeating the same thing over and over again (WMD anyone?) even when it had been proven wrong.
What do you mean, "How could he succeed?" He ran roughshod over the country for the six of his eight years that he was accompanied by a Republican majority in Congress. For those six years, Cheney -- oops, I mean Bush, of course -- did literally whatever he wanted, and Congressional Repubs voted the way Dick told them to vote. It wasn't until the final two years that the Dems started making it more difficult for him.
I'm not interested but it would be good for all presidential and VP candidates to have a panel of independent unbiased experts review their constitutional requirements and health, and to report the results to the public well in advance of the elections.
Oh, puh-LEEZE! No one every doubted the citizenship of John McCain, andhe was born in Panama. Could it be that some people are so terrified by the thought of a black president that they go running after anything discredits him? Some have been quoted as justifying this nonsense by denying that Hawaii is part of the U.S.! Of course, that may say more about their stupidity than anything.
And lest you think these are just a bunch of gun-toting, sheet-wearing nut jobs, note this: 40 of 90 Arizona legislators, all Republicans, sponsored a bill to require presidential candidates to submit documentation proving their eligibility to serve as president before appearing on the state's ballot. The measure has been passed out of a House committee. Subtle, huh?
What's obvious is that the Republican approach is to pull every dirty trick out of the book to scare people. They don't give a damn about this country--all they want is to be in power. Period.
your crazy accusations about people not caring about the country is every bit as lame as their crazy accusations that we all want pure socialism. Just saying.
I've already seen it many times, and I wasn't particularly interested then, either. What a horribly misleading question.
Most likely born in Kenya that's why the Dems published a certificate of live birth and not a birth certificate. This was suppose to go to court in Philly. After Obama got elected this was swept under the table possibly because of fear of racial tensions. I voted for Obama but I believe he still needs to prove he has the constitutional means to lead this nation. If the republicians prove he was born in Kenya this makes Nixon look innocent. I think if he was born in the USA it would be easy to provide proof. Since the Dems have kept this from the public it makes me question his legal status of being my President that I voted for. This needs to be given the highest priority of the FBI or CIA.
Why on earth would 2 college students in Hawaii go all the way to Kenya to have their baby? This issue has been before many courts and got shot down every time.
His mother was an American. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference where he was born. As the child of an American he's a citizen (unless you doubt that his mother was born in Kansas). A certificate of live birth is a "birth certificate". I was born in Missouri and that's exactly the same thing my birth certificate says. All four of my children have birth certificates that say the same. Nor was it "swept under the rug". It was thrown out of court for having no legal basis. For god's sake it was even published in the Honolulu newspaper. But ultimately it makes no difference. By your reasoning John McCain shouldn't have been allowed to run either.
THEY DON'T! IDIOT! Check the links on my post below so you won't look so STUPID!
The image of the purported Kenyan document I saw the other day didn't even have the correct name of the country (for that era) on the document. It's kind of hard to view that as an authentic government issued document when the country's name wasn't even correct. A small slip-up perhaps, but also a likely indicator the document is not authentic.
After having reviewed many fraudulent birth/death certificates from third world or underdeveloped countries, I can tell you that it's pretty easy to bribe a local official/doctor/hospital to get just about any "official" document your little heart desires. Not to say it's impossible to do in the U.S., but it's not likely to have both occurred and remain covered-up for any length of time, particularly given the amount of publicity this issue has received.
He is a double agent....
Way to give some legitimacy to insanity, LJW. Why not ask if we've been kidnapped by aliens or denied a job because we weren't Templars or if we think we're descended from Jesus?
Tom the left would hate seeing the governor of California as President. Then being born in America would matter because it's part of the Constitutional requirement of being President of the United States.
No, being born in America isn't the requirement. Being a "natural born" citizen is. As in born a citizen from birth, not a naturalized citizen. It does snot mean that you must be born on US soil.
Obama's mother was a US citizen, so Obama is a US citizen, no matter where he was born. McCain is also a US citizen in spite of being born in Panama, not the US.
Schwarzenegger is ineligible because he is a naturalized citizen, not a citizen from birth. Personally, I think it's a silly stipulation. I think one of the reasons this country is great is because we have immigrants. But even if that stipulation weren't there, I doubt anyone would need to fear him getting into office. Have you seen his approval ratings?
I would rather see the lying war mongers and like bank robbers in prison.
Think about it. In the past 30 years the repub party has been in involved two major home loan scandals that effectively took the USA economy down the tubes. One is too damn many but twice represents repub economic policy. Wreckanomics is a failed economic policy. In fact wreckanomics is beginning to smell like well planned crimes.
The republican party have become masters at putting millions upon millions upon millions of people out of work. AND stealing taxpayers retirement plans along the way.
What Repubs do with a remarkable degree of consistency is wreck the economy,initiate huge movements of shipping jobs abroad aka the Reagan-Bush Global Economy and try to wreck social security and medicare.
Is there a definite pattern? Absolutely!
The Reagan/ Bush Home Loan Scandal
The Bush/Cheney Home Loan Scandal
What did Bush and Henry Paulson do with the bail out money? (About the bank robbers)
The war mongers are killing the economy!
Taxpayers in Lawrence, Kansas will pay $209.9 million for total Iraq and Afghanistan war spending since 2001.
For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
67,135 People with Health Care for One Year OR
4,973 Public Safety Officers for One year OR
4,572 Music and Arts Teachers for One Year OR
25,583 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
37,825 Students receiving Pell Grants of $5550 OR
2,522 Affordable Housing Units OR
121,048 Children with Health Care for One Year OR
34,739 Head Start Places for Children for One Year OR
4,515 Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR
216,117 Homes with Renewable Electricity for One Year
There are other more interesting questions about Dear Leader.
“1. Obama may have lied about conversations with convicted fraudster Tony Rezko
Blagojevich's lawyers allege that Rezko admitted breaking the law by contributing "a large sum of cash" to a public official. Blagojevich's attorneys say that public official is Obama. Obama said that Rezko never relayed a request from a lobbyist to hold a fundraiser in favor of favorable legislative action. But the point may be moot: regardless of Obama talking/not talking to Rezko, Blagojevich's attorneys say that Obama refused the request regardless.
Redacted portion: However, the defense has a good faith belief that Mr. Rezko, President Obama’s former friend, fund-raiser, and neighbor told the FBI and the United States Attorneys a different story about President Obama. In a recent in camera proceeding, the
government tendered a three paragraph letter indicating that Rezko “has stated in interviews with the government that he engaged in election law violations by personally contributing a large sum of cash to the campaign of a public official who is not Rod Blagojevich. … Further, the public official denies being aware of cash contributions to his campaign by Rezko or others and denies having
conversations with Rezko related to cash contributions. … Rezko has also stated in interviews with the government that he believed he transmitted a quid pro quo offer from a lobbyist to the public official, whereby the lobbyist would hold a fundraiser for the official in exchange for favorable official action, but that the public official rejected the offer. The public official denies any such conversation. In addition, Rezko has stated to the government that he and the public official had certain conversations about gaming legislation and administration, which the public official denies having had.
Redacted footnote: The defense has a good faith belief that this public official is Barack Obama….”
The public official that he gave money to was Hillary Clinton. When his scandal hit, she gave it back.
i wan to see "DICK Cheneys" deferment from military service....such a patriot....
BTW, wow, merrill, it's been at least three days since we've seen that set of links. How many times have you posted them now? 500? 600? Do you even keep count?
I do not think he is eligible to be President. He has spent a million dollars to keep his birth certificate secret, what does that tell you? Thank you, Lynn
BS, see my links below and get educated so you won't look so stupid!
It's not secret. There is a certificate of live birth for the president. Many people have the same thing. Does that make them not residents? And don't forget the birth announcements in the paper.
A certificate of live birth is like a birth announcement just proves you where born not where?
Lynn731, get a life already.
snap says "blah blah blah..."
Please follow the advice given to Lynn731.
This birther issue is so played out, and it just shows how idiotic those people are. If you want to discuss domestic and international issues, that's great. But to constantly bring up dis-proven conspiracies is getting old, especially to Independents out there.
Dumbya when AWOL was snorting coke (just my quess) but I do want Obama to prove he was born here. Do you want the Governor of California as President? Think about that.
Seeing NObama's birth certificate is like viewing the read out on the radar after you have been bogusly caught speeding. Of COURSE it says what it is claimed to have saying. While we are at it, let's put his birth certificate on display right next to the Chinese woman's gymnastics team. Knowing how Obama is with China, the same person probably fabricated all of them.
Let Blago get Dear Leader on the stand in Chicago & let us see where the chips fall.
It has to be true if it's on the internet, right?
Obama Grandmother audio: Barack Born in Kenya
by Caoilfhionn Malone
Kenyan Ambassador admits Obama born in Kenya
And of course there's this;
Oh come on conservatives, surely there is a random BJ he got somewhere from someone that you can impeach him on! Let's stick with the important issues here!
This is so funny . . . keep it going!!!
Even IF he had been born in Kenya -- or any other place outside the United States -- it wouldn't mean he wasn't a natural-born American citizen. One does not need to have been born on American soil to have been born an American citizen.
Oh, well, open up that can of worms. Something to do with the age of his mother, and the fact his father is not a us citizens.
Where is "Birther Barry"? Hope he is not dead as I would have thought that he would have put in his 50 cent by now.
life Alert, Birther control, and Ignorance liVEs UnprecedenteD
"Oh come on conservatives, surely there is a random BJ he got somewhere from someone that you can impeach him on!"
Or he's lied under oath, which is what Clinton was impeached for.
You are naive!
Read the impeachment documents.
Vertigo, yes Clinton was impeached. Impeachment is just the filing of charges. He had a trial, remember? He just wasn't removed from office.
I saw it more than I've seen my own during the election, but thanks for the useless question, LJ.
Who really cares, anyone wanna see mine? Its really nice
George Washington wasn't born in the United States, and he worked out sort of OK.
George Washington was born in the U.S., fool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W...
technically, there wasn't a us, so he was born a colonist.
The United States did not exist in 1732 when Washington was born, fool. He was born in a British colony and was a British subject.
We've never seen GW's birth certificate either. Maybe he was a closet limey his whole life.
I'm not sure which is dumber...this poll question or all you people babbling back and forth "debating" the same points that have been made over and over and over and over.
The LJWorld needs some new material and so do most of you it would appear.
Obviously irrelevant, but kind of entertaining for the birther fringe....
I guess that counts out cesarean births, right? Only births that happen according to Genesis 3:16.
That should give the birthers something to chew on. Cesarean isn't natural born, it's the result of an operation.
Not if you value a career in the armed services:
Violation of the UCMJ, Article 87.
Many children of military parents are born out of the US...does that make them not citizens? Regardless of where he was born, his mother was a US citizen and that makes him one. Following the logic of the birthers...John McCain wouldn't have been eligible as he was born in Panama.
LJW...why do you keep stoking the fire? Let it go.
I believe only if they were born on something that would be considered US soil, like the grounds of a consulate or embassy.
Not true Feeble. I was born in Germany at a German hospital. My father was active duty military serving overseas. I am an American citizen.
jcstepmom28, you're right. you absolutely are an american citizen. As a fellow dependant, I apologize for the error.
I misread and thought I was responding to a question about being the citizenship qualifications to be president, which is only based on my understanding of the very poorly defined term "natural born".
Tom, not to be the grammar nazi, but I believe the word you're looking for is "allude", i.e. to make an indirect reference. To "elude" something is to escape or avoid. You know, kind of like the way you & snap like to elude the facts ;-)
As for your last paragraph, perhaps you should consider a career as a screenwriter?
Be careful what you wish for . . . remember Joe Biden is waiting in the wings. Then again, think of all the material that would provide professional comediennes and ljw posters alike.
I ask to see the birth certificate of everyone I come into contact with before I shake hands with them. I need to know for sure...
That's now not even sarcasm in Arizona. New state motto "Papers, please."
Doesn't this government have more important things to worry about?
I can't believe the LJW jumped on this ridiculous bandwagon! For all you IDIOTS out there (and posted above, yea you Mae, and Shoeman, et al) the whole shebang about Obama's birth certificate is proven, certified, US Grade A, BS, and that includes a supposed "refusal" to release it. The Obama campaign released a copy of the certificate in 2008. Did that stop the nonsense? Of course not! The whole point is to throw as much cow flop as possible and hope it sticks. Anyone who buys this crap is a FOOL, pure and simple. Hey, don't take my word for it. There are numerous articles and web sites proving this is crap. Two highly credible, non-partisan (they call BS BS regardless of the source) fact check organizations, FactCheck.org and Snopes.com, have exhaustive proof this Birther thing is BS, including haven seen the original at the Hawaii Dept. of Health and including quotes from the State Health Director. So you want to see it? Go to these links, get educated, and shut the hell up!
Somebody's all cranky & needs a nap.
Just can't stand BS snap. Give me facts, post a good argument, do some research and use some logic. I'll defend your right to your opinion based on these things. Parrot BS and I'll call you on it.
Non-partisan websites? Snopes reference's the NY Times one of many partisan newspapers.
Why did you even publish this? You should know better. All it does is give the same old people (some of whom don't even live here) something to gnaw on. Kinda like throwing a bone to an old, toothless, neutered dog so he'll have something to mumble on.
Wake me up when people are ready to talk about substantive issues instead of propaganda.
People have latched onto conspiracies since this country was born. This is just the latest in a line of many.
Interesting that this debate is in Arizona. Some questioned McCain's status, since he was born outside the U.S. border. I still feel that if this were an issue, Hillary would have found out. She still looks ticked that she lost.
The Hawaiian birth certificate or the Kenyan birth certificate? Let's see both of them.
Prune, Prune, Prune, (big sigh), the real Hawaiian one, and the clearly fake Kenyan one, are both on the Factcheck link I posted. They even have a picture of the birth certificate that was photo-shopped to make the fake Kenyan one. Just go take a look, it's easy, take your little mouse and click the left mouse button on the link. If you won't view the facts you remain willfully ignorant. That's a fine example for your kids, isn't it?
Nope, seen it.
Shag, apparently, you can write but you can't read (or think). Go look at the links I posted and quit being such a maroon.
And McCain was not born in the USA. He was born in Panama where his father was stationed. Hmmm. Born to a military family, joined the military, got into politics...John McCain has been on socialistic government health care his entire life!
"Mack Daddy" huh. Got racism?
Main Entry: mack daddy
Etymology: argot mac, mack pimp, probably short for obsolete argot mackerel, from Middle English makerel, from Anglo-French makerelle procuress, ultimately from Middle Dutch mākelaer broker
1 slang : a conspicuously successful pimp
2 slang : a slick womanizer
3 slang : one that is the best
And I thought Kevin Yoder and his band of merry clowns were just about the most ludicrous show ever possible. Yoder, a true never had to work for it Kansas yuppee. Then we get the clowns from Arizona. Consummate fools. This article really should not have been published. It is not nice to make fun of those who are so severely challenged.
p>spopes.com is always fair about what they confirm and don't confirm, be it about Palin or Obama. This argument is settled and the Arizona legislature is insulting the state of Hawaii, yes it's a state. Or maybe his mom knew he was going to run for president and made sure the Hawaii newspapers ran his birth announcements. Or maybe he has a time machine, and he went back and doctored all that stuff. If you don't believe Obama is not our president, then it would be easy for you to believe in time machines. Careful, the walls are watching you. ooooo.
If so many people believe that his birth is some big cover-up then what would a birth certificate do? They would just claim the birth certificate is fake.
The part that nags at me is why would Obama go to great personal expense and lengths to keep the birth certificate secret? If there was nothing to hide wouldn't it make sense to just allow its release and be done with it?
I've heard two possible explanations. One, he was not born in the USA and two, the certificate lists his race as white (as in his mother's race). Truth is the second one is more plausible.
Go to the snopes.com link in my post above. He has released it!! The state of Hawaii has sworn that it is valid. Are you guys not listening? Quite reading bogus emails. And if it does list his race as white, so what? He is half white. Deal with it.
"I'm going to laser focus on Jobs" Jan 2009, Jan 2010
I wonder how much higher unemployment would be without the laser focus?
I wonder, if the president was white, would he be called "Mack Daddy" by white "men"?
I would rather see Sarah Palin's GED certificate.
75, unfortunately for those that adopt your position, it is a hed herring/distraction that was created and perpetuated by the right. You don't see many Democrats screaming for this info do you? It isn't just because they're D's and don't care as long as their candidate won. I have reviewed the available documents and am satisfied-the same as I would be if it was Reagan's or Nixon's or any other R president.
Folks that adopt this position are arguing the State of Hawaii is engaging in and perpetuating a Constitutional fraud. Do you really believe a conspiracy of this nature and significance could remain secret?
What is the point of this poll? Anyone who wants to see the birth cerfiticate can find it with a simple google search.
If you don't think it is a birth certificate, then you must also be outraged that you can't get a Kansas birth certificate.
Yeah, BS, I mean TS, you can dream. And, apparently, that is ALL you can do. You can not post anything that makes even the remotest sense, you can't post anything that replies directly to any subject, and you can not think critically. You can, however, be critical, and that is just great, except that you are never critical in a copnstructive, realistic way. Tearing apart every argument is your forte, but calmly answering and proving is not. Try some realism for a change. Opinion is great; rhetoric, unfounded, is not, nor is your pontificating about the future of everything. Get real, Tom, and try giving us something solid to think about.
Just imagine, if Obama had been born in Hawaii on Aug, 4, 1959 instead of Aug. 4, 1961, the birther fringe could howl about his eligibility because we would have been born in a territory of the United States instead of a state of the United States.
So why did TWO newspapers in Hawaii report his birth in 1961? Does the conspiracy truly go back that far?
People who think Obama is hiding his birth certificate are idiots. It is just that simple. They are idiots.
My nephew was born in Italy and had dual citizenship until he was 18. His parents listed his birth in Missouri papers but he was born in Italy.
It was reported by the hospital, not a "listing."
In other news:
pipe dreamer, inhale deep.. Tommy is close to the line of making me feel like my life is threatened by his living in same city.. Beware the bush doctrine. I think I will say bye bye, a little to much for me
I'll show you mine if you show me yours!
And what of those who thought (among a dozen other conspiracy theories) that GWB brought down the WTC.
And they were idiots too, as well as the morons who believe we have never gone to the moon.
Hitler-like? Really? I don't recall Hitler's attempt to make health care available to everyone.
People who say Bush was involved in bringing down the World Trade Center buildings are also idiots.
Tom, ever consider getting professional help?
Tom, Tom, Tom......... What's next? Obama as the reincarnation of Stalin? Why not allude to his Satan persona hidden from all of us? Are you truly a nut, or do you just like to post idiocy to see what kind of s--t you can stir up?
"Are you truly a nut, or do you just like to post idiocy to see what kind of s--t you can stir up?"
Are these mutually exclusive?
Meanwhile in the criminals’ paradise of Chicago:
“Two woman were injured, one critically, when they were attacked and robbed by a man with a baseball bat early this morning in the Bucktown neighborhood, police said.
The attack happened at about 3:30 a.m. in the 1800 block of North Damen Avenue, said Chicago Police News Affairs Officer Robert Perez.
Police believe they were walking to the home of one of the women when their assailant came up behind them and hit them on the back of their heads with a baseball bat, Perez said.”
Spinach artichoke dip:
Begin with one package cream cheese. Add one small can artichokes, and one cup chopped spinach. Optionally, you can add water chestnuts or bacon bits.
Heat slowly in a crock pot and enjoy.
This post was every bit as relevant to the topic as yours was.
Yes snap, I'm sure you live in Paradise. Idiot.
Barack Obama (aka Barry Soetoro) was born in and was a citizen of the Phillipines. The Hawaiian "birth certificate" presented is not a valid birth certificate under Hawaiian state law. Despite one's political leanings, this is a valid issue as it goes directly to BO's presidential legality.
Perhaps on your flat earth where the sun rises in the west, this is true. Oh, yeah, and you are aware, I'm sure, that man has never set foot on the moon but was filmed in a Hollywood studio.
God help us all if you personify the "loyal opposition". You and Shew need to wake up, smell the roses, and get off your prescriptions, if indeed they are prescriptions.
There are a ton of valid reasons to have no confidence in obama.....
.....this one is a waste of time and will go nowhere. Just like accusing him of being a muslim.
Seriously? SImons is now a Birther?
Can the LJW sink any lower?
Obama's mother was born in Kansas - now that is something to worry about,...
There is no proof Obama's mother was born in Kansas.
The only record available is one similar to the one produced in Hawaii.
She was obviously born in Kenya.
Oh yeah, she is a Kansan girl, like it or not.
Do we have the slightest 'real' (whatever the birthers would consider real) proof that Ann Dunham is really his mother? Er, no. And, yet, somehow, they seem willing to accept that. Can't say that makes any sense.
Where is her birth certificate?
The only record available from her birth is a certificate of live birth from the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.
And that cannot be trusted. So obviously she was really born in Kenya.
No, no, no, you are so wrong - she comes from Mars, but was 'reported" as being born in Wichita (just like the Superman) - this is why Obama wants to fund NASA program....to go back to the Martian ancestral land of his, think about it.
"...this is why Obama wants to fund NASA program....to go back to the Martian ancestral land of his, think about it.!"
"Obama is really an alien who wants to get a rocket made by NASA to return home!!
Well, that certainly explains it---I see it all so clearly now. An elaborate plot all to the end of returning to his planet of birth. Quick, somebody, copyright the idea and make a movie of it. In 3-D.
You birther know-nothings (the same people who cheered the state BOE when they took Evolution out of SCIENCE class) are the reason I fled Kansas and only look back to see basketball box scores (and recruiting news)... I find it endlessly disheartening that your virulent strain of ignorance is so contagious nationwide.
If there's anything disappointing about Barry Obama, it's how closely he hews to the standing policies that feed the monstrosity that is the military-industrial complex. I understand why people are angry about the way the government spends our tax dollars, but I don't understand why these voices are just now being heard at such volume... oh wait, it's because he's black and you're racists.
The G.O.P. is a three-ring circus of closeted homosexuals lying to the Christcentric/farmer/homophobe/racist/nutjob base and the Dems are corporate suck-up wolves in sheep's clothing. Both teams' payrolls are covered by the same Fortune 500 front office, and they're all committed to one thing -- their own political self-preservation. Guess what? Nothing's going to change, because people are too ignorant to see past their flat screen TV. Whether Fox News or MSNBC, change the channel, Goofus.
Sorry to be so cynical, but if America doesn't get post-political in a hurry, we're going to be a chapter in the next softcover edition of Mr. Diamond's Collapse. Those statues on Easter Island look a lot like a corporate logo...
Wish this site had a like button...
That's a pretty good Olberman impersonation you're doing there. Can you make the veins in your neck throb like Olby does when he really gets going?
And yet another Illinois Democrat with major legal problems:
"Regulators shut down the bank owned by Illinois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias' family on Friday, setting up an expected but daunting challenge in his bid to keep President Barack Obama's old Senate seat in Democratic hands.
Broadway Bank, which was heavy into real estate loans and lost $75 million last year, had been given until Monday to raise about $85 million in new capital, but the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. announced at the close of business Friday that Broadway was among four banks, all in Illinois, that had failed....
Giannoulias' family could walk away with millions in tax refunds after writing off Broadway Bank's losses -- giving Kirk the chance to paint him as a fat cat.
Kirk -- who raised $2.2 million in the first quarter of the year compared to $1.2 million for Giannoulias -- also has criticized some decisions made while Giannoulias worked at the bank, including revelations that it had loaned $20 million to two convicted felons...."
Now snap hates people of Illinois as much as he hates the American voter. Idiot.
Why is this still an issue? Download a pirated copy of photoshop and fake any certificate you want. Does anyone want to change Sara Palin's birthplace? And call it real? And wasn't John McCain born in Panama?
For all the love of the good and holy............
Why is this still around? Could we please move on 'cuz I swear this might be one of the biggest red herrings I've ever heard about.
"snap hates anyone who doesn't believe exactly the way he/she/it does."
You couldn't possibly have proved yourself a bigger hypocrite than with that statement, beo. Everyone's still waiting for you to post one, single, solitary intelligent, original thought. Non-partisan is out of the question, we know, but the trolling is beyond tiresome.
Must be too many discarded drugs in the water system this week-end.
I wouldn't mind seeing the stone tablets on which John McCain's birth was recorded. Sanskrit, yes?
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