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OH come on, LJW, you're not even trying anymore.
Probably a D, 'bout the same as I imagine Gore or Kerry would have gotten.
I'm not sure you can claim Gore or Kerry would have received a similar grade. We would most likely not be in Iraq which in turn would have eased the economic situation. In any event, what's done is done. Let's hope the next administration get's a better grade.
JONAS--GORE/KERRY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN US IN THIS DEEP.BUT WE WILL NEVER KNOW, WILL WE???????
clark: No, we won't. I doubt, for the record, that we'd be in this particular position, just one equally as bad.
Bush did to America what Osama bin Laden tried but couldn't: he brought us to our knees. Millions are out of work and our military is broken. Bush spent trillions, just like Reagan (together they created HALF of our current $11 trillion debt!!!!).Right now, a "tax and spend" Democrat sounds a whole lot better than a "spend and spend" Republican.
There has to be a new rule made that is the terrorist version of a Godwin. What should we call it?
if the grading scale went into the negative, like, D, F, -F, -D, -C, etc....Bush would be a huge negative A+, -100%. Extra (negative of course) credit if he could get it.
"Why did this have to happen on my watch" Bush said
lmatt (Anonymous) says… Could any of you that are throwing around these F's do any better? Obama's going to get a big fat “N” from me for n*$#r!Here is how to contact the racist imatt:GT: MattbawlsAIM: Jokester1288
jonas_opines, I had no idea of what a Godwin is so I looked it up. For those who also don't know here is a definition. As a discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.As more heat enters the discussion, tensions get higher and people start to insult each other over anything they can think of. Godwin's Law merely notes that, eventually, those tensions eventually cause someone to find the worst insults that come to mind - which will almost always include a Nazi comparison. Or in the case of the LJW calling someone fat.Okay here goes,The Shelly rule: (get it?) if you get tired of someone disagreeing with you and can't think of one more rebuttal, just point out that in a radial Islam country they would be dead for saying such things. Which means? Nothing, that's the point, isn't it?
I would ask this: what did Bush get right?For me, I appreciate the large nature preserves he ordered around the small islands of Hawaii. Also, he did send a lot of money to fund AIDS projects in Africa.However, the number of poor decisions far outweigh those two good ones. We'll see what the historians have to say in 20 years when all the partisan crazies and trolls have moved on to something new.
I'd like to request a drive by all that review this string to "suggest removal" on Imatt, if you please. Let's not let these forums turn into the KC Star. Mr. Kealing, where the heck are ya and can you wipe that poster from the boards, please.
To quote the President:"As yesterday's positive report card shows, childrens do learn when standards are high and results are measured."
Jaywalker:Done! The last thing we want is for the JW to look like The Star, or it's blogs. The post clearly suggests an inappropriate racial slur.
sandrat: I thought his actions to 9/11 were quite appropriate (minus maybe that first 7 minute thing), right up until. . . say. . . 2003.
sandrat--While in general Bush is to be lauded for directing AIDS assistance funding to Africa (in the sense that something is better than nothing, which is what the U.S. had been doing), his refusal to provide funding to any organization that provided aid to sex workers -- you know, those most likely to contract and/or spread the disease -- undermined the potential effectiveness of the plan. If anyone can find the moral logic in this provision (or any sort of logic, really), I'd be quite interested to hear it.
Bush, the most failed administration in American history.
Jonas -- His actions between 9/11 and 2003 need to be reviewed by historians sometime in the future. I think the invasion of Afghanistan was almost inevitable at that point, and any sitting president would have done the same thing. Beyond that, I'm not exactly sure what he did besides act presidential. Not freaking out and nuking Afghanistan while laying on the floor of the Oval Office in the fetal position is hardly an accomplishment.Genius -- You have a valid point, but something is better than nothing. I know he also wanted "abstinence only", but I'd put up with a lecture as long as I got my medicine.
I don't think the Kansas GOP is going to care much what people in Lawrence, considered to be a liberal town, think about them or Bush.
sandrat: Well, certainly evaluations should be made in the future, but that doesn't mean they can't be made now, just that we should consider our limited vision and fallability when making them, wouldn't you say?"Beyond that, I'm not exactly sure what he did besides act presidential. Not freaking out and nuking Afghanistan while laying on the floor of the Oval Office in the fetal position is hardly an accomplishment."In light of the rest of the term, I'm not certain that you can say that. Hell, listening to the bloodthirst of many, many people, including some that I knew to be rational for the most part, immediately after 9/11, I think he would have been excused, at the time, for fire-bombing all the way from Jordan to the borders of Pakistan. Of course, he would have still missed Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
xbusguyTypical liberal leftist toadie, quotes Bush out of context. Guess what, genius, you will only impress your fellow libtards, because conservatives have way too much sense to get suckered into your feeble little word games.sandrat, what did Bush get right? Had any more terrorist attacks on our soil since 9-11-01?
I know this has nothing to do with legacy...but he did have the greatest random presidental moment in history. In the first World Series game after 9/11, he was to throw the first pitch. He went out there -with a kevlar vest- and threw a perfect, curve-ball strike. That was pretty cool.I think history will judge him to be a C-, D+ president. The only F's belong to Buchannan and Warren G. Harding.
My dog is named Pilgrim. True story.I'd give Bush an F+. The weekly standard actually tried to list his accomplishments...it was kind of a funny article. It listed No Child Left Behind as an accomplishment...#5. They ran out of stuff, so they just started calling failures that were less miserable than others accomplishments.
-- left handedSorry, but I can't give someone credit for not letting something happen. There is no way to quantify that. Maybe in the future, CIA documents will be released that give us more of any idea of what plots might have been stopped, but until that time, all we can judge is the numerous mistakes that were made: the torture, the unnecessary war, the huge budget deficit, the loss of international prestige, the failure to capture Osama bin Laden, and complete lack of any successful domestic policy.
Pilgrim -- How many American soldiers died in an unnecessary war started by the Carter administration?
64 people actually gave the Bush presidency an A?Ha!
He did keep Al Gore and John Kerry out of the White House. That's gotta be worth some points.
I loved George Bush and supported many of his ideas and ideaologies. I certainly can't give him an "A" because he made many mistakes and the results of those mistakes are certainly obvious in our country today. I am grateful though, that he served. He tried in his estimation to work for our country and do what he thought would benefit us. He may have been wrong, but at least he was in the battle. I think we have a much easier position being able to sit back and critique the plays of the Sunday game on Monday morning.
An "F" is the only grade a reasonable person could give the Bush presidency. Incomplete shouldn't be an option since he served a full two terms.
To prevent future failures and presidential shortcomings compared to the rest of the world's leadership, Congress will soon pass the No President Left Behind Act. This will ensure that US Presidents will catch up with their world leader peers and prove to ourselves and the rest of the world that our leaders are intelligent, educated, and competent.
Giving George an F is grade inflation.
sandrat: "Sorry, but I can't give someone credit for not letting something happen. There is no way to quantify that"That's a circular argument waiting to happen. What came first, the chicken or the egg? Oh, what the heck....There have been numerous terror plots since 9/11 thwarted around the country and the world (targeting American facilities) that have been reported. And given the number of those it's logical to assume the CIA, who does not publicize their successes, have quashed several more. San Francisco, Buffalo, Jersey, NYC, Oregon......look 'em up, sandrat. The measures and protections Bush and his admin have put in place to keep our home turf safe have been ultra effective. Hate him if you wish, find him the worst ever, but don't try to pretend he's been asleep at the switch since that horrible day. NO attacks on our soil IS proof of success in this area. Bin Laden and all the other yahoos have been promising more attacks since that day, none have happened. Bush deserves all the credit in the world for that.
flclhack (Max Butterfield) says…64 people actually gave the Bush presidency an A?Ha!------------------Maybe nancy boy shewmon is computer hopping at the public library?
How can you evaluate it, jaywalker, when there is a repeated pattern of Homeland Security inventing "threats" that they then claim to have "prevented." Off the top of my head, the "plot" to set off bombs in malls in the Chicago area, which was completely fabricated, would be one of these examples.Further, your analysis would have to buy into the simplistic and almost certainly wrong notion that the goal of Al Qaeda was to carry out a sustained campaign of terror against the United States, as opposed to provoking an overreaction that Al Qaeda could point to as an example of a holy war, or crusade, not just against a specific group of terrorists, but against all of Islam, sparking global war.Or the fact that the Bush policies created more safe havens for terrorists than it eliminated -- alright. Never mind. There's no point in arguing with someone who refuses to see what is manifest. It's like arguing with a hippie.
Hmmm. . . just noticed you can vote more than once in these polls.
"Um, ok, but if he's going to take credit for that (not attacks) then he gets credit for 9/11, so that's still a pretty sh**ty record."No no. 9/11 was the fault of the Democrats, such as Clinton. The fact that it occurred on Bush's watch just means that he was handed a bum deal, just like if it happens on Obama's watch it will be Obama and the Democrat's fault.
"Gas was less than $3/gallon, unemployment was just over 5%.. the list goes on."Wasn't it less than a dollar before he took office?
When Bush was elected in 2004 with 50.7% of the vote, the nation was deeply divided.When the O'dude was elected in 2008 with 52.9% of the vote, he won a landslide. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
snap: You'll recall (or, since it shows Conservative hypocricy as opposed to Liberal, maybe you. . . won't), but after the 2004 election, Conservatives on this board were positively screaming about having a Mandate. Now, of course, it's a stolen election or something like that. But whatever, you know what you're doing as well as I do.
At the risk of appearing to post like merrill or max.......Sorry there, genius and ed, just goin' by the facts. Bummed to disrupt an all-out hate fest, but these are just a few of the stories on thwarted plots. I post several sources so I don't have to hear people whining about one media's bias. And I say again, these are just the ones reported and the CIA keeps their stuff under wraps. Oh, and ed, you can stick that Fox News crappola where the sun don't shine, mmkay, pumkin?http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/06/AR2005100600455_pf.htmlhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335500,00.htmlhttp://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=83417&d=6&m=6&y=2006http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/17092531.htmlhttp://www.mcclatchydc.com/158/story/12612.htmlhttp://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_4160570http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/spytalk/2008/11/dozens-of-terror-plots-disrupt.html
"There's no point in arguing with someone who refuses to see what is manifest"Or with someone who actually refuses to argue, eh genius? I mean you have to be willing to have a dialogue, a little back and forth, before you can call it an 'argument'.A lot easier to disagree and then shut it down.
Snap, while not the largest margin in American history, it seems 67.84% of the electoral college vote reasonably falls under the description of a "landslide".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landslide_victory#Electoral_votes
SnapWhat was the 2000 margin of victory for W?
DOH! well what do you know GORE had more votes, so what was your point again?
After 9/11 a lot of people were willing to bomb a lot of places right back to the stone age.Bush is like Rudy Giuliani, the first few days after the attack he was decisive and tough. A few days after that, nada.The apple does not fall far from the tree.Bush's mama is so cold that in the summer they don't turn on the air conditioner, they turn on the heat.
Five days, 18 hours, 22 minutes and 37 seconds.
The anthrax terrorist attacks occurred on American soil shortly after 9/11.
Poor mista bushy I'm surprised he got that many who passed him
Are grades relevant in situations warranting expulsion?
President Bush sacraficed his reputation and good name for a bunch of ungrateful whinning a holes. I hope he did not do it in vain. I guess everyone has to point fingers and blame someone. Too bad it is not at the monsters who actually started this mess. Or to the Citizens of our country who were screaming bloody murder when they did not believe the President was going after them quick enough. Or when the citizens of this great country complained that George Bush 41 didn't break his word and finish the job the first time. I wonder what it will take to make the people of this country happy?
I think D is fair but it's easy to second guess the past yet shaping the future is a hard thing. Everything Bush did, he did with a Republican and Democratic congress' approval. Congress gets a D too.
I think he has done a poor job and made lots of stupid mistakes that a more intelligent and informed person would not have made. But, what the heck? The country survived, the wars are less bad than Viet Nam, the economy is less bad than the Great Depression, and the abuses less bad than under George III or the Confederacy. There's no way of knowing how it would have played out under someone else. I really wish "D-" was an option. He showed up for work and didn't surrender to a foreign invader, but that is about the best that can be said.
He saved your sorry a--es for over seven years. You will not be able to say the same about BO. How sorry of a lot are you guys? The next four years will be spent tearing down all of the security safe guards that Clinton refused to put into place and Bush did. The last perfect person to walk the face of this earth died over two thousand years ago. All the social programs you liberals want to tax everyone ELSE for will be worthless if those folks that want to kill us have their way. Good luck!
Excellent, defender. In the attempt to paint justfornow as a child you revert to insinuating they are a woman when you believe they're a man. How veeeeery grown up of you.
"He saved your sorry a—es for over seven years."WHAT? You gotta be kidding. Sorry and pitiful are the words to describe the incompetency we have endured. Thank GOD it is about over. The whole family is a joke and none of them have any business in politics, how rediculous. Bush took us down and there will STILL be people that blame Clinton and BO. How ignorant! Our country could not take 4 more years of this administration. What a joke, he couldnt even speak intelligently. I was embarassed for him and our country. Try to defend him but the vast majority knows the truth. The truth was in the vote. Didnt matter if the new man/woman was blue, black, green or purple, it was past time for change. Pull your heads out.
Take your own advice, ridthefence, and pull your head out. The whole family's a joke? Who the fudgecicle are you? A father who flew over 50 missions in WWII, headed the CIA, was VP and Prez; his son, who spent the last 8 years in the most important and pressure packed job in the world, and another son who's been Governor of Florida for how long now? Go man the fry baskets a while longer. You're rediculous(sic).
Oh, just for balance. KS: You are simply guessing. You have, at this point, no idea what Obama will or will not do with particular safeguards when he takes office. I would suggest that you also probably have no idea what safeguards you are actually talking about, what difference they have made, whether we are now any more effective than before at catching or stopping terrorist plots, etc. It is also historically revisionist to lay lack of action solely at Clinton's feet. Until 9/11 hardly any politicians or citizens of the United States considered Bin Laden or global terrorism to be a threat to us. This is really our pattern throughout our history as a country, to ignore global threats until they hit us hard. In short, you clearly started with a preconceived opinion: that liberals are everything wrong and Bush/conservatives are everything right in this country, and you are now cherry-picking and interpreting questionable data to artificially support that preconceived opinion. You're free to continue, but you should know that it makes you look like what you are -- biased.
hahaha Jaywalker. He is an idiot and what about Neil Bush? Another idiot and a crook that nobody talks about, and why? Jeb is also an idiot. A financial advisor for Lehman brothers. Where are they now? Just because you serve in the war doesnt make you President material. If thats intelligence, maybe I want to man the frybaskets! hahahaha
ridintheignoranceexpress:After that post I'm fairly certain if you actually had a job there would be several child labor laws being violated. No reason to argue with a fool.............bye now.
jaywalkeridiotexpress: I could probably be your father. bye now
Big Fat F
"What grade would you give President George W. Bush's presidency?"Rumor has it that the upgrade will arrive January 20.
He has done more than any other US president to eradicate hunger and disease in Africa. For that he gets an A+.He blew our money on the war in Iraq. For that he gets an F.With that in mind...he deserves a C.
W Bush was without any doubt the WORST president EVER!! 911 happened on his watch, a handful of arabs outsmarted Bush's CIA, FBI, ATF, NSA, etc, etc. Bush spent $Billions of tax dollars for the world's most massive "defense" agencies & were brought down by a couple of arabs with 99 cent boxknives. 3000 people died a horrid death. As if this wasn't the most blatant display of massive incompetence, then he turns around and uses the 911 excuse to invade a country so his big oil buddies could get even richer than they already were & kills 4000 more of our kids in the process! Then to top it all off, he de-regulates the big banks sending our economy straight into the toilet the worst ever since the great depression! The stock market streaks down 40%, a million people thrown out of their houses by the same bankers that got rich......then we give the same bankers another $700 Billion in bailout money! UNBELIEVABLE!!! This man did more harm to our nation than 1000 Bin Ladens! I hope he rots in hell.
P.S. One final comment: After destroying our economy and killing 4000 of our kids in the name of oil profits, Bush now retires to his new $2 Million dollar mansion while a million Americans are thrown out of their homes......typical Republican! (let's see, do I recall one of his campaign slogans....he was going to have "compassionate conservatism?" I think we now know what that means......bend over America, here it comes! I hope the reds remember this lesson well the next time they elect a spoiled rich kid to the highest office......this is what happens.
I agree that his administration was horrible, not to mention, so was he. However, being the leader of an international supper power has to be difficult. I cut him some slack; gave him a D.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee, or is it inTexas, Tennesse or Texas, or maybe both Tennesse and Texas, that you can't fool me once, and you can fool me twice, but you won't fool me again....the first time." What the h*ll is he talkin bout ma? Ladies & Gentlemen....this man graduated from Yale University with a MBA? Excuse me? Old Bushy Sr must have been doing some serious payoffs to those profs!
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