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"You want to talk about business as usual in Washington: all you have to do is look at Sen. Biden."..or Sen. John McCain?
"Given the overwhelmingly liberal/socialist bent of the majority of the readers of this forum Biden's high approval is no surprise."It surely is the only bias coming into play here, right?
Her dialect reminds me of the mom from "Bobby's World"
Logicsound04:"You're attempt to paint Obama as another rendition of Bush II is dishonest and absurd."I will note you didn't counter my argument but merely labeled it as "absurd""Speaking of putting politics before the best interests of the nation, what in the hell do you think McCain's selection of Palin was?" - LS04(1) "Change" is the slogan of the Obama campaign, and this is exactly what Palin brings. Obama touts himself as being a Washington outsider, and oddly so does Biden. So a candidate which brings this quality being criticized by an Obama/Biden supporter is a bit hypocritical.(2) The Dems didn't put the interest of this nation first when they chose an experienced and naÃive candidate for POTUS, they voted for a mirage. Palin is the only candidate with executive experience including being in charge of the economy of Alaska, and will not toe the party line like Obama/Biden. What economic experience does Obama have? (3) Palin has spoken to the voters on numerous occasions, simply because the media has not been given unlimited access to her is irrelevant. The voters are hearing from her. In the weeks to come she will likely do more live interviews to please the Washington elite. Personally I care more about substance over form. I want to know her stance on the issues, not how she responds to fill in the blank questions.(4) You seem to be upset because McCain picked the conservative version of Obama as his VP. Oddly Obama picked the liberal version of McCain for his VP.
Can anyone seriously envision Palin holding her own against heads of state, or having the depth of knowledge to respond wisely in a foreign policy crisis?? Last night, she sounded like she was running for Student Council president, rather than vice-president of the free world. Thanks in no small part to Bush, I've seen enough dumbed down politics to last a lifetime. Palin is an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
Sarah's flag pin was much bigger, so she obviously won!~ you betcha the American people are sick and tired of being sick and tired!
Interesting comment Satirical since Palin was often repeating the same lines we have heard from Bush and how she basically quotes his meaningless cliches. Talk about dumbing down.
If you do not want to use the word "maverick" then use the phrase "little doggie." It all fake cowboy schick that only really plays in Dodge City and means nothing in todays world. In short, a maverick is a calf found on the range without a cow. That's all it is, nothing more. If one canidate wants to be called a maverick, well, it is just plain strange. Better rope that critter and brand him before he gets away.
God bless McCain for fighting and suffering for this country, but I'm getting a little tired of hearing Palin remind us of it. It doesn't mean he'd make a better president. I would hold it against him if he were a draft dodger, but while there have been those on both sides, it isn't an issue in this race.I hate it when they don't answer the question; Biden did a better job answering the questions than Palin did.
Cg22165:1) Yeah, "change" is a totally original slogan that no one has even used before, and McCain "usurped it": 2) She still has more executive experience than Obama even if she is from a state with a small population (kinda like the governor of KS)3) You obviously don't follow Palin's activities because she has done town hall meetings and spoken to the votes. Don't you remember when the MSM attacked for allegedly telling a voter in a restaurant that the U.S. could act unilaterally in Pakistan?4) I don't remember the dig on Biden being old, but I do remember libs calling Palin inexperience while defending the idea that their candidate for POTUS has even less.
XEPCT:"Remove your "executive" adjective and you are dead wrong."Too bad she does have more executive experience than Obama. Facts are stubborn things aren't they?
The debate was essentially a draw, so of course the votes in this thing will follow ideological lines. Given the overwhelmingly liberal/socialist bent of the majority of the readers of this forum Biden's high approval is no surprise. He should have won, though, if only because he made it through the 90 minutes without resorting to plagiarism. Go get 'em, Joe!
Satirical...You betcha I understand doggoneit....If you don't have politics you can't have policies, and visa versa. I'm sick and tired of hearing the negative..you betcha
The lady was not that great of a governor which is why she is under investigation at the request of the Alaska republican party. Bush,Cheney,McCain are doing their best to sweep it all under the rug aka squash the investigation.Is McCain still running for president?VOTE OBAMA 2008 YES!
meggers...."Thanks in no small part to Bush, I've seen enough dumbed down politics to last a lifetime."If you really want a 3rd term of Bush, vote for Obama so we can have another POTUS learn on the job, and puts politics before the interests of this nation.
I thought it was interesting that Palin, while not really knowing hardly anything and basically left to recite what she could snatch from her memory of the playbook, could still come off as condescending to a man who is knowledgable from an actual involvement of implementing policy and working on relationships with other government leaders. Biden knows McCain far better than Palin. She doesn't begin to comprehend what things would be like dealing with him and his erratic behavior and lack of a sense of what is really going on in the world. To me, McCain is just another Texas good ol boy, looking out for the interests of oil and big banks. Biden said an economy is built by building a stable and productive middle class. He is right. Palin and McCain are opportunists who are finding every possible way to advance their own ambition and the easiest way is to cater to the wealthy class and do their bidding.
Rshrink:. "Interesting comment Satirical since Palin was often repeating the same lines we have heard from Bush and how she basically quotes his meaningless cliches."First, perhaps you could provide a few examples of lines she quoted from Bush? I heard her say the Bush administration made several blunders.Second, even if she did quote a phrase, I would rather have someone with Executive experience and a Washington outsider who in is touch with the problems of the average American as a 2nd in command, than Obama who doesn't have any real experience and will be learning on the job, and who is can't work across the aisle to get things done. (kinda like the two heartbeats away Pelosi who effectively killed the Bailout bill by giving an extremely partisan speech right before a vote she needed Republicans on). Is politics more important than solving problems? If so then vote for Obama nation (Abomination) and get a 3rd term for Bush.
Palin's flag pin might have been bigger, but she also put the state flag of Alaska above it. Everyone knows the US flag is supposed to be above a state flag, thereby negating the size of her US flag pin. Biden had a simple yet smaller flag pin making him the clear winner.
Pywacket:Do you know anything about politics? Obama/Biden's tactic to win is to attack McCain as the 3rd term of Bush. (i.e. don't vote for the individual, vote based on partisan hatred) Why don't you count how many times Biden used "Bush." They also claim they are the candidates of "change." This is strategy and tactics, plain and simple.McCain/Palin's strategy is to attack Obama as being inexperienced, naÃive and a tax and spend liberal. While they attempt to narrate themselves as caring more about the country than their own party, a.k.a. Mavericks.If you only see the opposing sides tactics you are naive or like Obama blinded by partisanship.I must admit I was expecting Biden to ask a paraplegic to stand up, or talk about how FDR gave a speech on TV in 1929. But "Sloppy" Joe Biden actually didn't have any major blunders, and Palin far exceeded expectations.
Brief analysis on both VPs.(1) Biden did much better than I expected. I saw him in numerous debates during the Democratic Primaries, and he far exceeded any of those previous performances. He didn't have any major gaffs and although he seemed like a Washington insider, seemed knowledgeable about most of the issues.(2) Palin did much better than most people expected. Using her folksy style of answering the questions the way she chooses, she came across as genuine and thoughtful. I think she connected with a lot of average Americans. Her knowledge of the issues and ability to put together a coherent sentence probably surprised many people who only know her from YouTube clips. Overall a very good performance for her.I watched in hope of a train wreck, but ended up actually enjoying the debate without one. Maybe the Dems should have chosen Biden for the top of the ticket, he did much better than Obama.
Phogfan86...Dana Carvey's impression of Bush the 1st was hillarious. However I think Palin said "maverick" (6 times) fewer then Biden said "Bush." Surprise, surprise, both candidates are using phrases to sell themselves. If you don't undertand this, you may not understand the difference between politics and policy.
I thought they each kept from screwing up. That's what they were there to do.And "fun" and "fresh" is what I want in my dance music. It's not what I want in a vice president.
I thought they both did well. Biden had to avoid being a bully, Palin had to avoid sounding like a novice. I was more .... 'nervous'.... for her beforehand, but she really came across polished and knowledgeable. Biden, I thought, came across with more substance, a bit more depth on some things, especially on foreign policy. And they both did a hell of a lot better than their running mates on answering questions AND staying on point, for the most part. I felt they both did their parties proud, and being an ....opponent..... of Biden's as BO's running mate I found myself liking him and respecting him quite a bit more. Well done.
Okay folks listen up here if you have that capability because it appears to me that you're not listeners but lookers instead. If you'd PAY ATTENTION to what they were saying you'd get more out of the debate. So Biden is older than Palin. That gives no cause to judge either of their capabilities for that reason. It is what's inside, what they convey and how they convey it that counts. Our society is so caught up with outer appearances that we've become desensitized by the REAL point. That we all age, we are all different, we are small, we are big, we are fat, we are skinny, but FUNDAMENTALLY we all have feelings, different levels of intelligence, we all love, we all bleed the same, born the same way and we will all die eventually. But the importance is we all listen to each other and take value in that. So clean out your ears and next debate cover your eyes to discover how much more you'd get out of it if you weren't so caught up in appearances.
All that winking at the camera and the you betcha's--yuck- I found that to be very condescending. I am also a middle aged professional woman and I never act like that . Why would I ever identify with that ?
Satirical:1) It was the Obama slogan, but somehow McCain usurped it when he selected a young conservative. It isn't clear to me how conservatives are known for representing change.2) Palin called Alaska a huge state. Landwise-yes; population-wise - not at all. Plenty of CFOs manage bigger budgets (and would make lousy presidents) and could do just fine with millions of free money pouring in like Alaska has.3) She has spoken to voters; she hasn't done as much speaking with voters. Activities on the world stage are not so scripted as a campaign rally.4) Yes, it makes for an interesting race doesn't it? Especially when Palin is caught making digs at Biden for being old.
The first two commenters make no sense. The first one said Biden was hateful? I saw him as telling it like he sees it. He said he loved McCain, but disagrees with him. Is that hateful? He smiled at Palin, even though she was condescending and continues to be mean spirited. She smiled in an inappropriate mocking way, but what else are you going to do when you really don't know anything. I don't think you can say Biden is business as usual, when the Democrats have not really been listened to or cooperated with by the Republicans for eight years. Democrats have not been running things. Bush, the dictator has been in charge, ignoring the rules, using signing points far too excessively, telling his staff not to cooperate, basically acting like a king rather than a person who is trying to cooperate to get things done. Bush is the story on business as usual for the last eight years.
Most of what both of them were saying sounded like blah, blah, blah to me. What really swayed me were the times she looked like a robot with no emotions, just regurgitating what she had been trained to say. Do they use a teleprompter? I couldn't see, and wasn't for sure, but I got the impression she was using one most of the time.
"She still has more executive experience than Obama even if she is from a state with a small population (kinda like the governor of KS)"Remove your "executive" adjective and you are dead wrong.
Truthteller:I don't enjoy defending Biden, but the VP's role in the Senate is in Article I Sec 3."The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided."http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.htmlAlthough you are also correct in stating in general the roles of the VP are outlined in Article II.However, this is a good counter to Biden's argument that the VP is not both part of the Executive branch and the Legislative branch, when their duties are included in Article I (which outlines the responsibilities of the Legislative branch) and Article II (same for the Executive branch)
Wooden -- I was fine with her until about 20 minutes in when she started using "maverick" every 12th word. She reminded me of Dana Carvey's unflattering portrayal of GHW Bush simply regurgitating catch-phrases: "So, just to recap...thousand points of light...Dan Quayle, gaining acceptance...Operation Desert Storm...wouldn't be prudent...read my lips."
Correction to my 10:42 post(2) The Dems didn't put the interest of this nation first when they chose an (in)experienced and naÃive candidate for POTUS, they voted for a mirage.
From an independent who hasn't decided yet.Palin did better than I expected, but her answers had no substance. Biden was more aggressive. He attacked McCain constantly, which is what the VP candidate should do. The Republican base has to feel more confident as the media scrutiny should abate on Palin and now the focus is back on McCain.Biden did much more for his party then Palin did for hers.
If I hear the words "maverick" or "mavericks" again, I am going to vomit.
Yeah, logic, she strayed from time to time, Biden did a better job there, but my comment was meant in comparison with their running mates. Those two veered like F-16's dodging MIG's off the questions. I do have to say I was also split on her 'folksy' speech; at times it seemed natural and spoke to me, at others it was too much. I began to cringe when 'maverick' kept coming out as well, though I find it hilarious how so many on these strings are complaining how the word 'has no meaning' or is overused, but the vapid regurgitation of 'change' doesn't seem to bother them. 'Change for change's sake' is the oldest line in the political playbook, everyone running against an incumbent or the incumbent party pulls that out ad nauseum. Not that we don't need some 'shifts', but give me a break.
( BABBOY ) I could not have said it any better !
She seemed to attack Biden for his typical Washington ways (35 yrs. in Senate) when the principle on her own ticket has been in Washington over a quarter of a century.She also said she would bring a new vision to Washington, but she seems to forget that she isn't the Presidential candidate. If change is the message that resonates with people they'll probably vote Obama/Biden since change would be at the top of the ticket rather than buried at the bottom.
"This "flip flop" stuff is inane. We have now a president who never flip flops - even when reality and experience and new information tells him he needs to change his position. McCain is simply more of the same"Sorry, tex, I do agree with you that the flip flop issue is inane since all politicians do this, and should when info warrants such. But you're off on a couple of your other points. Palin didn't switch on the bridge because it became 'controversial'; when she won office and got all the facts she correctly used the money elsewhere. McCain's switch for more regulation now is hopefully pure politics since the country is screaming for such. But it's the wrong take, we don't need regulation which would just make the govt. larger and have their hands in the free market. We need oversight, but not the deaf, dumb, and blind kind that Dodd and Franks provided leading up to this mess, and we need accountability from Wall Street.Your quote above is completely and utterly false. Bush has done complete 180's on numerous policies and issues since '03, look 'em up. There was an excellent article in Newsweek a month or two ago by Fareed Zakariah that detailed the administrations' change in tactics and out and out flip flops, for the better I'd also add.And could we leave out the campaign slogans? "McCain's more of the same" is intellectually dishonest and just plain lazy-speak. It's a liberal soundbite spawned for one purpose only: to fuse Bush and McCain together as one and thus lend fuel to the 'change' mantra. It's tiresome and just plain lazy political thinking.
SatiricalIt seems that you also have a problem with people with a D in front of there name. You would rather have a pimp and a ding bat run the U.S. The reason that I say that is because that is the only reason Palin is there. Mc Cain is pimping her in front of women to get ther vote. She sure is NOT smart enough to run the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get the facts.http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/:
no way omaba is gonna win. a black man with a muslim name might win in leftist lawrence, however the rest of America will NOT vote for him. Sarah Palin ROCKS!!!
Just a couple of Biden's mistakes in his effort last night in which he fell short.Biden does not know the job of the Vice President as contained in the constitution and was totally wrong in his charactersation of it ¢Biden incorrectly said "John McCain voted the exact same way" as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.¢Biden wrongly claimed that McCain "voted the exact same way" as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.¢Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.¢Biden denied that Obama supported increasing taxes for families making $42,000 a year but then falsely claimed that McCain had cast an identical vote. Biden: "Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way. It was a budget procedural vote. John McCain voted the same way. It did not raise taxes."Biden was correct only to the extent that the resolution Obama supported would not by itself have increased taxes; it was a vote on a budget resolution that set revenue and spending targets. But he's wrong to say McCain voted the same way. The Obama campaign attempted to justify Biden's remark by pointing to a different vote, on a Senate amendment, that took place March 13. The amendment passed 99-1, with only Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold dissenting. It would have preserved some of Bush's tax cuts for lower-income people. The vote on the budget resolution in question, however, came in the wee hours of March 14 and was a mostly party-line tally, 51-44, with Obama in favor and McCain not voting.
"Made you look:tells me you are suspicious also"-LarryLarryLarryWow, that's a real accomplishment, oh triple threat of Larrys. Probably the high point of your day, I'll bet. I guess you get the droll troll award today.The only thing I'm "suspicious" about is the source of your inanity. Is it organic or were you dropped on your head at an early age? You personify everything that is wrong with this country-in triplicate. I can only offer you my heartfelt congratulations on your buffoonery. You just confirmed your spot several standard deviations below the norm.
logicsound04..."Relative inexperience is not synonymous with an inability to be an effective president." LS04I will use your same argument in defense of Palin, even though she has much more executive experience than both Obama and Biden. Obama on the other hand isn't "relatively inexperience" he is almost completely inexperienced. He has been in the U.S. Senate for less than a full term and most of it was running for POTUS, other than that he was in a state legislator and was a community organizer. I am sorry but I am not ready to hand over the keys to our nations to a community organizer."He's been in the Illinois and U.S. Senates." LS04That is a complete dodge. And even if it were a criteria, would someone who has been in the U.S. Senate over 5 times as long have 5 times as much "economic" experience, such as McCain?"see the sequestering of Palin as Chapter 2 of the secretive, nebulous tactics of the last 8 years" LS04Hello! She just had a debate, people know about where she stand on the issues, and she has been talking to voters for quite a while."To reduce it to some snarky little soundbite- "the conservative version of Obama" is intellectually simplistic and worthless." - LS04So:I will take that as again not having a counterargument. Odd that you judge Palin based on the same "snarky little soundbites"
Beatrice: I don't know about the 20M debt. But there is an old saying that all cities should be governed by Socialists, all states by Democrats and the nation by Republicans. Debt is not inherently bad, depending on its purpose and extent. Nonetheless, Palin is the closest thing in the race to a small government conservative. Perhaps not close enough.
It won't help you decide anything about Palin or Biden, but if you want a different look at the senators whose names are on the top line of the ticket, find a video of the Saddleback Civil Forum hosted by Rick Warren a few weeks ago. He gave Obama and McCain equal time and asked them some pretty tough questions. Sure, it is an evangelical forum but applause for some of Obama's more liberal positions could be heard. It beats the heck out of the argument in Mississippi.As a right wing conservative / evangelical who favors McCain and Palin, I think last night's debate was a c redit to both candidates. The press, especially NPR isn't being very fair to the Governor of Alaska, but I didn't expect it. She did well - and so did Senator Biden. It didn't change my mind, though.
Palin is a joke. Anyone who can see her "running" this country, a distinct possibility, is ruinous to the world. It's obvious that she knows nothing but a few lines, which she repeats ad nauseum, encouraging our repetition of failure.Soccer hockey!~)She was overhandled, plain and simple, and might have performed better if left alone. The machine of her side is a dastardly beast.The machine of the other side is not much better.I, frankly, can't believe that any party would want to win this election. We are in the process of dooming ourselves to debt and meaningless pontification in the pursuit of happiness. We have become the beast we sought to escape. How can anyone still believe in a two party system? It's like believing in TV networks! This is a lost cause! We need more than these lines of change.It's all a trickle down to a pool party, anymore. Money and the whores of its grandeur spew their respective BS ways and means in a committee of same old same. Old. The ways and means have passed us by. We no longer have the slaves to support the way and don't even want them around any MORE!Let's enjoy our fuelish stupidity toward the ends!~)
omaba is a weener like auntney.
Obama is a big government liberalBiden is a big government liberalBush is a big government liberalMcCain is a big government liberalPalin may be a small government conservativeThus vote for McCain
LA_Ex (Anonymous) says:Palin's flag pin might have been bigger, but she also put the state flag of Alaska above it. Everyone knows the US flag is supposed to be above a state flag, thereby negating the size of her US flag pin. Biden had a simple yet smaller flag pin making him the clear winner.Well, her husband did belong to that radical Alaskan party that wants to leave the union. Maybe he told her to wear it that way.
Biden did a better job at answering the questions. Palin, spent time side stepping and avoiding. Also, was I imagining her winking at the camera on several occasions.
pywacket....i agree with you 100%. well said.she totally reminds me of marge from fargo.....do people in alaska REALLY talk like that???????????
Big Dog you should stop looking at cartoons on youtube and get the facts from a real web site. that only post the truth not BS ! here is a site for you .http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html
"Obama Lies!" - LarryLarryLarryNo triple L. I believe you are the hilarious prevaricator.Did you even scroll down past the original list of purported "lies" to the point by point refutation listed by Snopes?You're either really slow or a deliberate liar. I'm going with the latter although I'm willing to consider you may be both.
Bad_Dog...Made you look...tells me you are suspicious also....Hussein for Presdent! May you all bow with towels on your heads! Freakin' Liberal Idiots
"That vile, America-hating Communist Bruce Springsteen has weighed in on the current election, and is performing his "songs" on behalf of the Khmer Rouge, AKA the Obama/Biden campaign. Read, if you dare, The Quotations of Moonbat Chairman Bruce here:"Perhaps you'll share, benny, on what he gets wrong. Seems like pretty good stuff to me.
They both lost. I felt nothing but contempt for each of them after only half an hour. I gave up and turned it off after it became clear neither one was interested in answering the questions posed.
"What economic experience does Obama have?"-He's been in the Illinois and U.S. Senates. He also showed some foresight on economic issues in writing to warn about the sub-prime mortgage crisis.To the same point, what economic experience does McCain have?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You might take the time to look up on youtube ..... 2004 fannie mae hearing ....... the warning bells were sounding before Obama was elected to the US Sentate.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yga7Tl...
humble, Palin sought more earmarks per capita than any other governor and left her city when mayor with a $20 million debt. Care to rethink that "small government" position?
Hardly, bea, and those are only a select few issues, there's a lot more out there. McCain's view on the 'war' is right where it should be, in case you hadn't noticed, it's 'bout over in Iraq. The shift will be to Afghanistan, and pulling out of Iraq once we'd created the maelstrom would have been a massive crime against humanity, whether you felt we shoulda been there or not. Tax breaks for the wealthy effects you in NO way whatsoever, though I do love to hear those who haven't achieved great things whine and kvetch. That's so old, lazy, petty, and envious that it's funny. A hard liberal tag line to appeal to those that wish they had the bling. Pathetic. The wealthy create the jobs, employ the people, and pay the lion's share of the taxes already. But those that pay the least or none at all cackle with glee at the tagline. How very, very sad.Privatizing social security may be the only way to save it, as it's swirling the drain right now with no plan to fix it. I have no idea how you're viewing that plank as a 'bad' thing. Bush has attempted to pass Wall Street and corporate regulation bills more than a dozen times since '01, only to be shot down by Democrats each time. Conversely, the lack of oversight coming from Dodd and Franks these last few years is more than disturbing. I haven't heard about McCain wanting 'de-regulation' for big business, and we don't need it on Wall Street either. We need oversight, but effective this time. And Dodd and Franks should be removed from office immediately. A 'lack of a universal health care plan' is a GOOD policy, sorry to say. Name ONE project that our government has taken over and has flourished. Having our government attempt to implement a universal plan would be a grease fire of biblical proportions. Look what they've done to education since they took over in '65? So many on the left have been screaming about how big govt. has become over the last 8 years...... try and stir in the absorption of health care and DC plumps up like the StaPuft marshmallow man. Want another example? Take a look at social security. How's that goin'?
I especially liked the way Gov. Palin came on to every male in the nation with her winks into the camera! Her sex appeal is more than enough to govern this nation of idiots.
"'McCain's more of the same' is intellectually dishonest and just plain lazy-speak. It's a liberal soundbite spawned for one purpose only: to fuse Bush and McCain together as one and thus lend fuel to the 'change' mantra. It's tiresome and just plain lazy political thinking."It might be lazy, but that doesn't mean it isn't accurate.McCain's views on the war, the economy, tax breaks for the wealthy, privitizing social security, deregulating big business, lack of universal health care plan, etc... are all similar to Bush's policies. The name would change, but the policies would largely remain the same.
Something of interest--last week after the Obama/McCain debate, Foxnews had a poll where you could text in who you think won. I texted in McCain, and about 1/2 hour later I got a text back thanking me for my vote. After the VP debate I did it again, texting in my vote for Biden. I received no thank you text in return. :(
jay, too many errors in your last post to comment on all of them, but here goes:1. McCain was dead wrong on the war in the first place, and he refuses to admit that a timeline for withdrawal needs to be pushed. Even George Bush recognizes that there needs to be a timetable for withdrawal. 2.Tax breaks for the wealthiest of the wealthy during a time of war and an exploding national debt absolutely does effect me, you, and every other American. Who do you think will end up paying this debt? As more money goes to paying the interest on that debt, the less things get done for all of us. It has nothing to do with my desires or greed (you don't know me so why pretend you think I'm greedy?), but tax breaks for the wealthy does have to do with giving our debt to future generations. If you honestly believe in trickle-down economics, which has proven to be a failure, then you fail to recognize the obvious fact that corporations and their share holders who receive these tax breaks don't give a rats-butt about jobs in America. Outsourcing -- ever heard of this? The tax breaks for the top one percent, those who would be wealthy with or without the tax breaks, have done nothing -- NOTHING! -- to helping create jobs, although the extra cash has driven up the price of fine art at auctions. 3. If Bush has honestly tried to pass legislation to regulate the banking industry since 2001, you are writing revisionist history if you think the Dems are the ones who stopped him. Who exactly was in charge of the House and Senate in 2001? However, I agree that there is plenty of blame to go around. It isn't just the Republicans' fault, but they shoulder the bulk of the burden. 4. Privitizing social security will do nothing to secure our society. What happens when people listen to the bankers and invest their money and lose it all? What then? Too bad, go live in a tent? No, privitizing S.S. would be a devastatingly bad idea. 5. Universal health care is not the same as a complete socialization of the health care system. I'm not talking about a complete takeover, but as a nation we need to assure that all people have access to health care. If you don't believe in this simple idea, then we may be too far apart in our beliefs of and for humanity to find common ground. Finally, "I haven't heard about McCain wanting 'de-regulation' for big business, and we don't need it on Wall Street either." What do you think Palin meant when she said at the debate that government needs to get out of the way of business? The line was also spoken from the platform of the RNC. "Get out of the way of business" is deregulization. It is part of the Republican party platform. We saw it the trouble of the Savings and Loans banks under Reagan, and it has led to the horrible economic troubles we are in now.
B H Obama, super star....... as in Jesus Christ, Super Star, a hippie broadway hit years ago with the rise of welfare rights groups, ACLU and ACORN......... has become the idealist, leftist Hollywood and elitist mantra now. But who is the new messiah:Chicago 'community organizer' B H(as in Hussein) Obama is motivated/groomed by his association with ACORN, Ayers, and Wright and surely others of the radical left or who knows whatever else because the investigative reporters' in media seem to be 'compelled' not to investigate:..and when he votes for something, it is only to enhance his bid to be president of the USA and serve his followers/mentors. That is my opinion. Check him out.
jay: "By the 4th year, McCain will look more and more like... Hooverand we will be wondering how to pay our mortgage."By the 4th year? Could the man suck any more than he does, now?
The poll suggests that lawrence is made up of 67% idiots. Long live the Republic of Lawrence-Hussein for President! That's a tragedy.
Logicsound04:I used to enjoy debating with you so much, now it seems you resort to labeling argument rather than countering them."You made an argument based on some extremely loose similarity between the two men." LS04Yes, this is exactly what Obama does with McCain and Bush. Obama will be learning on the job the same way Bush did, and Obama will put politics before the nation the same way Bush does. You cannot counter this argument, even though I have given examples to support my allegations."Excuse me, but Obama brings change with specific ideas and goals." LS04Obama's bring empty rhetoric, and bring nothing of real substance. What are his specific ideas and goals? Now consider how many times he has flipped flopped in the last 6 months and tell me how sure you are anything he says can be believed. The only way he can attack McCain is an empty claim that McCain is the same as Bush. He thinks the voters are idiots and will vote based against any candidate with an (R) next to their name, and not look at the individual. But I have to say, his tactics are working well against the simple minded.Obama/Palin are not afraid to go against their own party to do what is best for this country. Obama is a typical politician which people are tired of in this country.""Didn't put the interest of this nation first"?, "Voted for a mirage"? What the hell do those even mean? Be specific." LS04I was using your phrase from your 10:28 post "Speaking of putting politics before the best interests of the nation:" The fact you are confused by your own terms doesn't surprise me. And Obama is a mirage because Dems thought they were getting a savior, when all they are getting is someone unfit to be POTUS, C & C, and leader of the free world.continued...
better to be a winner than a tuna who can't spell
Back on topic. I think Biden won. Pallin composed herself OK. I can see her as maybe being an effective govenor......but that is as high a government level I'd feel comfortable seeing her achieve. This is no knock on her. After all, being a govenor is no small potato's.
It took me awhile to figure out where I had seen Palin's act before,then it dawned on me, at the end of Happy Hour wink and all.
I agree with Texburgh. But one comforting thought....If you have reservations about any of the candidates it is that they will hopefully surround themselves with thinking cabinet members. No one person can possibly handle the job of president without having smart people around.My main reservation about Palin (and thus McCain) is the fact she will become President if anything happens. It is fine and good that she is down to earth (I promise not to use the word "folksy" or "Maverick") but I am not comfortable with her educational level (bachelor degree in communications-journalism). To paraphrase a commentators description of her ascent to the position of Alaska govenor is to describe it as a series of "social promotions". This does not ease my reservations one bit, especially when you think the President has got control of the "red button" if you know what I mean.Though Biden was not the best scholar, atleast he has a law degree.
Biden!!! He is very knowledgeable about the issues. Palin had no major mistakes, but I wanted to knock that smile off her face. Did anyone else feel disturbed by that perpetual grin on her face? I felt like I was watching a beauty pageant. And frankly I did not find the "folksy" talk endearing. Who the hell talks like that!?
Our economy did very well during the Clinton years, proving that voting Democrat won't hurl the country toward destruction as the Republicans would like us to believe.Who would have predicted the ruin in our economy at the beginning of the Bush presidency. Our increase in debt and loss of reputation in the world is beyond belief.Sarah Palin and John McCain will be more of the same except they will probably cut corporate tax even more while cutting out state aid in areas of health, education, unemployment insurance, etc. Anything that doesn't directly benefit the upper 5% will be called an entitlement, pork or earmark and John McCain will bore us to death with his soapbox speeches that will begin to sound like a broken record.By the 4th year, McCain will look more and more like Herbert Hoover and we will be wondering how to pay our mortgage.
Eagle1:No, I have a problem with people who want to be POTUS who don't have the necessary experience, and try to fool simple minded voters by using catchphrases like "hope" and "change". I would rather have two independent thinkers willing to cross their own party to do what is best for this nation than Obama who would be the 3rd term of Bush and is controlled by the DNC (rather than the RNC). Claiming Palin is only the VP choice because she is a woman is like saying the only reason Obama won the Democratic nomination is because he is African American.This is a free nation and you are free to vote for someone with little experience on the economy and on foreign policy, someone who will need to learn on the job and be beholden to the DNC rather than the people, but I won't.
All Palin could come up with was "Joe, you were for the war before you were against it." Kind of like McCain who has always been against government regulation until now when he is for it. Or Palin who was for the bridge to nowhere until it became controversial and she was against it.This "flip flop" stuff is inane. We have now a president who never flip flops - even when reality and experience and new information tells him he needs to change his position. McCain is simply more of the same.It's time to have a president who isn't afraid to change tactics when new information warrants such a change. Please, dear God, give us a thinking president!Obama - '08.
Biden is the only d-bag who knows how much a million billion dollars is.
I was repelled by the way she winked into the camera and said "you betcha". I think she did this twice. Some people do this, but I generally view it as a fake patronizing tactic people use to win you over. Salesman and con-artists do it all the time.Oh well, I guess I have a petty grievance....just my two cents.
looks like all the libtards voted on this stupid poll. It don't matter, douglass county is the only blue county in the state, other than Wyandotte.Sarah Palin ROCKS!!!p.s. omaba is a weenie!
Whoa, camper, long time no see.( You're so much politer that I, in these forums. )Hey, did you catch my follow-up note regarding CVB's "Circles Dub" ...http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/at-random/2008/sep/16/interactive-pink-floyd-song-title-game/#comment_699665... but, then, I stray from the topic....
motomom, I too think of Marge from Fargo when listening to Palin. The colloquialisms and accent are too similar, although I suspect Margie would have more gravitas to wink and play cute like that during a debate. I was also half waiting for Palin to look at the camera and yell, "Live from New York, its Saturday Night!"How come nobody has picked on Biden for saying "fundamental" far too many times? That was a missed opportunity for the drinking debate game.
Wait one dog gone second there jim. Did you just say the Obama's middle name is Hussein? !! Why, how can we possibly vote for him now?!! Only way I could possibly vote for Obama now is if McCain trumps it by having some elitist girly middle name like Sidney. By the way, I heard that Sarah Palin's middle name is Beelzebub.
Merrill:Nice posts. It seems like the first time you didn't cut and paste something!!!!!! Call the press!!!!!I think we should raise taxes on all people to pay for Obama Grand Plans. Who knows maybe his pastor will be the Secretary of State.
Sarah Palin enunciated the word "nucular" very precisely. When Bush says it, it is kind of slurred. So nobody can say that the McCain/Palin ticket doesn't offer change.
bad dog's blood is boiling...can't control his emotion...watch out, I hear he's a humper!This was fun for awhile, but starting to bore me now.Triple threat (I like that), signing off.
Palin sneered during the whole debate that Obama and Biden just wanted to look back at the wreckage of the bush/cheney reign. And what have they now done? Announced that they will now be focused on Obama's past relationship with a "domestic terrorist" from 40 years ago. Hypocrites!Why won't McCain and Palin engage in a debate on what their plans are for the economy? Pretty telling. By the way, how many crooks, swindlers and abortion bombers does McCain have in his past? Keating stole taxpayer money, the radical anti abortionists killed people with their bombings. My understanding is that Ayers bombed a toilet at the Pentagon.
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