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Should crimes against animals carry the same penalties as crimes against humans?

Response Percent Votes
No.
 
52% 461
Yes.
 
43% 379
Not sure.
 
4% 40
Total 880

Comments

Emily Hadley 5 years, 6 months ago

"When do we round up everyone from the beef industry for the executions?"If you want to feed your kids animals, why wouldn't you raise your children to care for and respect those animals through their development, then to slaughter them humanely? If you can't handle that, perhaps you could reconsider what you feed and teach your children by example. How an they not be desensitized when they see that an animal's life is only valued by the pound in a supermarket? Many children in the US learn that animals are not to be respected but are to be reared and killed however is cheapest, then chopped to pieces and sold to eat.Teaching children that killing animals and people is acceptable while sheltering them from its realities adds to the kind of confused, pathological behavior going on in backyards in Lawrence.

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 6 months ago

Reading!!!!! Check out Ween's album 'The Pod,' and the song 'Pollo Asado.''I would like some guacamole on my 'ReadingSports post,' and a basket of chips... what is, what is, what is the... carne asada?'

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ReadingSports 5 years, 6 months ago

Yea, I would like a Double cheese hold the onions, no mayo, fries, and a milkshake.

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 6 months ago

Well, NAJ, since you were the only person to raise their hand, I guess you can be first.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

Do we have to draw straws to see who gets to perform the first test?

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 6 months ago

Tange: I say we set up a betting pool and see how that test turns out.

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 6 months ago

RC: "Whoever did it either needs intensive psychiatric treatment or institutionalization."I say we just subject the perpetrator to the "nine lives" test.

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 6 months ago

Oh, NAJ, I was merely being rhetorical with my last post. I once watched a documentary about the Philippines (and I could be wrong about the location) where they kept cats in cages and sold them at a market. As a cat owner, myself, I found the practice abhorrent.I guess what I was wanting to point out is that how a society treats its domesticated animals is a reflection of certain aspects of that society. Hey, I'm a social scientist. Someone up there mentioned something about the human responsibility to take care of domesticated animals (I believe it was cats and dogs). We raise cattle for slaughter, but certain Asian religions would find that abhorrent.Case study: The guinea pigGuinea pigs were originally domesticated in the Andes in South America. Rather than having a compost pile, Andean peoples keep guinea pigs ('cuy' in Quechua) essentially as garbage disposals. Some even have a few running around in their kitchen. But they have an economic relationship with their guinea pigs, as they eat them. When I was in Cuzco, Peru, last summer, they were selling guinea pig on the street. In our society, the thought of eating that fat little guinea pig in the cage in the kids' room disgusts us. Indigenous Andean folks, on the other hand, love the taste of the little things. One person's pet or beast of burden may have originated as somebody else's dinner.Don't get me wrong, I think what happened to Sugar the cat is despicable within the context of our culture and society. Whoever did it either needs intensive psychiatric treatment or institutionalization.

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 6 months ago

When will perpetrators realize that crimes against "others"-humans or animals-indeed are crimes against themselves.( And no crime is "perfect"... someone always knows... if only the perpetrator himself. )

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myron_grady 5 years, 6 months ago

meoooow meoooww...... SCREEEACHHHHHHHH.....is that what you people are hearing??

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jaywalker 5 years, 6 months ago

I thought the Peta/Ben and Jerry story HAD to be a joke when I first heard it. There's ridiculous, and then.....I've also heard that Sweden just re-wrote their constitution to include plants and animals with virtually the same rights as humans. What the...?

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Kylee Manahan 5 years, 6 months ago

My personal opinion is that we, as humans domesticated the dog and the cat and because of that we have a responsibility to take care and protect them.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says: "Where do we draw the line between cruelty and husbandry?"We draw the line somewhere before taking an aged domestic pet from it's yard, mutilating it, and dumping it back in the yard for it's owners to find. Pretty sure the perp didn't do that to breed the animal.

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situveux1 5 years, 6 months ago

No. Can I go eat my hamburger now?

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Puff_Dragon 5 years, 6 months ago

The answer is so easy a cave man could answer it.

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LeslieJeanne 5 years, 6 months ago

Some of these postings make me ashamed to be human. Maybe I can pretend I am from another species, maybe Vulcan.It is morally wrong to deliberately hurt any living thing. There has to be a way to stop people from doing this. I believe humans and animals to be equal in the rights to life, safety and well being.I am a vegan because in the world we live in here in the US it is not necessary to kill animals for protein. Soy works quite well.Enough of the cracking wise. Time to get serious because this is a serious issue that is only going to escalate as time goes by and the criminal is not caught. The person will become jaded with what they are doing and try to think of something more extreme to give them that little thrill they are looking for in this way.

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gontek 5 years, 6 months ago

My friend had cats pooping in his yard when he moved to lawrence and he shot them with an airsoft rifle. He shot me a few times with it too. The cats went away, it stings a little but leaves no damage.

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MeAndFannieLou 5 years, 6 months ago

I think the issue is unnecessary cruelty and/or killing - for its own sake. ~sick and tired of being sick and tired

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 6 months ago

Autie: some vegans don't eat honeyI personally don't think crimes against animals should be punished the same as crimes against humans. Where do we draw the line between cruelty and husbandry?Horse meat has been in the news lately. Our ancestors in Europe, Asia, and North America all ate horse. Horse is an ancestral foodsource for most of us on this planet. I might even try it just to see what it is like. I guess the short answer to why we don't eat horse (or dog) today is that we have developed an economic relationship to them that revolves around productivity. In other words, they are tools to increase productivity; horses and dogs provide labor. So we form different relationships towards these particular species. This, I believe, is why a Texas horse meat plant was recently shut down. I think the government has actually banned horse meat production in the US.Some people in the world eat dog, cat, horse, guinea pig, etc. Where do we draw that line?

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autie 5 years, 6 months ago

Now this has got me wondering..does PETA include insects? what about bacterium?

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Windlass 5 years, 6 months ago

Animals are civilized; people are savage. Always kill the people.

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meggers 5 years, 6 months ago

Intentionally harming a domesticated animal is actually WORSE than, for example, someone pulling out a gun and shooting another person in a fit of rage. I know this isn't necessarily a popular view, but I don't think humans are necessarily better or more valuable than animals- we're just more intellectually evolved and therefore, have more power over other creatures. Anyone who would abuse that power to commit cruel and heinous acts upon the domesticated creatures that trust and depend on us the most should be removed from the human race using any means necessary. Period.

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madmike 5 years, 6 months ago

I completely misunderstood Mustbhiorlo! I apologize.

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woodenfleaeater 5 years, 6 months ago

So, if I go hunting and kill, for example, a turkey or a deer, I could be tried for murder?

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logicsound04 5 years, 6 months ago

"Oh God! Another gooney-goo-goo PETA freak that's going to enlighten us with the leftist manifesto of animal rights"-----------------In your rush to be an a-hole, I believe you may have misread the thread.No one here is siding with PETA.Or are you saying you support animal abuse?

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avaholic 5 years, 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure humans are animals

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madmike 5 years, 6 months ago

Ah Autie...That is unless you are from a totally different culture! I have seen several Asian nationalities enjoy dog and cat. The French buy horsemeat in the grocery stores. I guess it is all about the culture you grew up in.

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autie 5 years, 6 months ago

of course..thats duck, quail, doves, pheasant and such..not the neighborhood cats...

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autie 5 years, 6 months ago

right on mike. I kill 'em, clean 'em, and cook em. If my Lab enjoys all that..then PETA should be happy with me, right? I mean, I'm only helping my dog fulfull his genetic drive..and his destiny.

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madmike 5 years, 6 months ago

Oh God! Another gooney-goo-goo PETA freak that's going to enlighten us with the leftist manifesto of animal rights. Just pass the butter and give me another helping of roast beast!!!

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autie 5 years, 6 months ago

mustbhiorlo, that would be "her" rights trampled....the "his" bovines don't give milk.

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mustbhiorlo 5 years, 6 months ago

Go to the cooking with pears page on the LJW site, they're torturing and killing animals and vegetables there...unsalted butter - what about the cow that may have been mistreated, his rights trampled, in getting the ingredient(s) from him to make butter?2 cup chopped leeks - what about the plant that was ripped out of the ground to supply leeks? you say chopped?1 cup coarsely chopped celery - what about the celery, some say plants have feelings?2 pounds (about 4 medium) red or Yukon Gold potatoes - these potatoes were killed you know.6 cups chicken stock - gotta kill the chicken to get the stock.1/2 teaspoon crushed dried rosemary - poor rosemary, crushed is dead, right?10 ounces crumbled Stilton or other blue cheese - cows, have it bad don't they?Kosher salt - evaporating sea water, many organisms live in water, they were dried up and killed weren't they?2 Bartlett pears, ripe - ripped out of pear trees, don't trees feel?1/2 teaspoon sugar - poor beet sugar and/or cane sugar plants!1 pound sliced deli turkey - gotta kill it to slice it.1/2 cup golden or regular raisins - those dried up raisins may have been spared death, possibly they dropped off naturally, this is a relief to me.

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50YearResident 5 years, 6 months ago

There is no way crimes against animals can be punished the same as crimes against Humans. Think of it like this: Pit Bull bites human, Human kills Pit Bull. Human arrested for murder. It goes to trial. Public lawyer assigned to represent pit bull, Human gets his lawyer. Jurors have to decide which one is at fault, was it self defense or premeditated murder? More story..............? Anyone see a problem with this?

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mustbhiorlo 5 years, 6 months ago

Let me get this straight...Humans torture and kill animals all day long everyday, some of these animals are then eaten by humans. Animals torture and kill animals all day long everyday, some of these animals are then eaten by animals.Humans torture and kill other humans all day long everyday, some for their country, others for various other reasons be they right or wrong. And you ask the question "Should crimes against animals carry the same penalties as crimes against humans?" I don't see penalties for crimes against all humans. Just crimes against the "flavor of the month" humans. But hey, the majority rules, right?

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sally87 5 years, 6 months ago

I agree. It is worded poorly. If it were worded more specifically toward acts of animal abuse (e.g. setting a cat on fire) I would agree that punishment shouldn't be lax.

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preebo 5 years, 6 months ago

"A foray into speculation about humans pitting their wits against those of wild beasts in the Serengeti is utterly missing the point. Sounds like you just needed some flimsy excuse to slam someone."Actually, my comment was intended as a tongue-in-cheek critique on Prune's statement as a whole. I am aware that Prune was referring to the self-fulfilled heirarchy of life, placing sentient beings above "lesser" lifeforms. He used the term animals not pets and spoke with such a certainty that I felt it necessary to present a situation where, Prune, (a human) might not be the more superior being in a setting. It was simply a change of perspective.I am aware that this article is referring to the self imported superiority some people place on humans over animals. It's a simple man vs. nature or seperate from such as opposed to man amongst nature.

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logicsound04 5 years, 6 months ago

consumer1,I would never imagine that you thought PETA a worthwhile organization. I was merely pointing out that there is a group that works to prevent cruelty to animals without the circus-like antics of the PETAites.They also do work on the local level, though I'm not sure how involved it is. It might be a good starting point.

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tvc 5 years, 6 months ago

Animals are almost always killed if they attack a human.

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jumpin_catfish 5 years, 6 months ago

So if PETA has its way someday, I will be charged with murder for catching and eating a delicious catfish (pan-fried of course). That would truly be a crime. Also, Solomon raises a good question, will animals suffer the same when animals "commit" a crime?

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consumer1 5 years, 6 months ago

I hope you all understand, I also think PETA is a joke, that is why I would be interested in forming a local fucus group to deal with local problems. Special interest group are ruling this country without one, your voice is silent.

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jhawks1234 5 years, 6 months ago

Thank you logicsound.... PETA is a joke!.

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MeAndFannieLou 5 years, 6 months ago

How many times have you heard someone say, "it's only a matter of time before so-and-so snaps and hurts someone, why do we have to wait until he (or she) actually commits a crime to do something about it?"Well, in the case of animal-abusers, here's our opportunity to do something before a loose cannon hurts another person. There is such a strong link between animal abuse and future violent crime, that, even if I didn't care a whole lot about animal welfare, I think I'd still support really, really serious penalties in response to it. Definitely come down hard on animal abusers, and also make sure they get intensive counselling and therapy.

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Pywacket 5 years, 6 months ago

Preebo~ I don't think BigPrune's answer was given out of arrogance, and to any astute reader, the comment, "Humans rank above animals, for sure.." obviously refers to the the worth that we (humans) put on the lives and rights of other humans--not to the notion that we are the equal of any other creature in terms of strength, cunning, endurance, and survival skills in the Serengeti. In other words (if you're still having comprehension problems), BigPrune was responding to the spirit of the question and saying, in effect, that a crime committed against a human (murder, torture, dismemberment, or whatever the case may be) should carry greater penalties than a similar crime committed against a pet.Again obviously, this question seems tied pretty closely to the news story about the pets that, disturbingly, are turning up dead and dismembered--or are just disappearing.A foray into speculation about humans pitting their wits against those of wild beasts in the Serengeti is utterly missing the point. Sounds like you just needed some flimsy excuse to slam someone.

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logicsound04 5 years, 6 months ago

PETA is up to it's same useless crap it is always up to. I heard this weekend that they are pressing Ben & Jerry's ice cream to use human breast milk in their ice cream instead of cow's milk.Ironically stupid, considering the measures that B&J's takes regarding the cows whose milk they use.PETA is a waste of time. There was an organization that did what PETA does before PETA did it, and did it from a far less hypocritical and extremist angle: ASPCA.PETA's official stance--that animals are not for us to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment--is a bit odd, considering how many PETA supporters own pets.Rather than starting a new group, I encourage anyone who is concerned about issues like what happened to Sugar to look in to ASPCA. www.aspca.org

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booze_buds_03 5 years, 6 months ago

"but people who torture small animals sometimes become serial killers." -BigPrunePeople who don't torture small animals sometimes become serial killers too.

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consumer1 5 years, 6 months ago

I was talking about this story last night with a friend. PETA was brought up. We both wondered exactly what PETA is up to these days. The last I heard they have pretty much be identified as an extremist group by law enforcement. Their actions no longer seem to be concerning the ethical treatement of animals but rather radical destructive protest against international laws. So, this friend and I wondered, are their enough people in Lawrence, and, would there be a benefit in starting a grass roots organization aimed at doing what PETA was supposed to be doing in its beginning stages? That is, form a focus group to look into existing laws, lobby locally for increased investigation and conviction of cases just like "Sugars". Create a fund to offer rewards for convictions, etc. I think we have enough people who are sensitive to the care of animals to who would like to begin something of this nature. I personally don't have all the answers, but, here is an opportunity to draw from a community of concerned, educated, individuals to work on the prevention of animal cruelty. If you would be interested in looking into participating in this worthwhile indeavor, please send me an email via LJW. I would respond and work to develop a list of those who are interested to see if this is something that may have some merrit towards protecting our pets, and help establish new ordinances for our defensless friends. As many of you know, I get somewhat radical on my post. But, please believe me, this is a topic that I believe in with all my heart. So, if you are interested please email me with ideas, thoughts etc. I cannot so this by myself, and would need organizers, and others dedicated to a good cause.Con1

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andrew11 5 years, 6 months ago

After reading the Jake Deckert story, I'm not so sure the penalties for crimes against humans are really very strict to begin with.

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Eybea Opiner 5 years, 6 months ago

This is a really stupid question.What about animals who commit crimes? Should they suffer the same penalties as human criminals?

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monkeyhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

Considering the legal climate in Lawrence and you might only get 14 days in jail for killing an animal, I would have to vote no.

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preebo 5 years, 6 months ago

"Humans rank above animals for sure..."Would you think this to be the case if you were to be dropped into the Serengeti plains with nothing more than your wit to protect you?Your sense of superiority would evaporate rather quickly, I surmise.

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notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

No.The penalties should be more severe.

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BigPrune 5 years, 6 months ago

Humans rank above animals for sure, but people who torture small animals sometimes become serial killers.

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ForThePeople 5 years, 6 months ago

I think the poll should be worded differently. But I think certainly crimes against "family" pets, and that are violent and disturbing such as the recent events involving the horrific things done to cats, should be punished more severely. As it has been pointed out over and over, someone that would do things like this is a very SICK individual and needs to be taken out of society for everyones safety!

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Daniel Kennamore 5 years, 6 months ago

This is a joke question right?When do we round up everyone from the beef industry for the executions?

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