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Should crimes against animals carry the same penalties as crimes against humans?

Response Percent Votes
52% 461
43% 379
Not sure.
4% 40
Total 880


notajayhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

No.The penalties should be more severe.

preebo 8 years, 11 months ago

"Humans rank above animals for sure..."Would you think this to be the case if you were to be dropped into the Serengeti plains with nothing more than your wit to protect you?Your sense of superiority would evaporate rather quickly, I surmise.

BigPrune 8 years, 11 months ago

Humans rank above animals for sure, but people who torture small animals sometimes become serial killers.

meggers 8 years, 11 months ago

Intentionally harming a domesticated animal is actually WORSE than, for example, someone pulling out a gun and shooting another person in a fit of rage. I know this isn't necessarily a popular view, but I don't think humans are necessarily better or more valuable than animals- we're just more intellectually evolved and therefore, have more power over other creatures. Anyone who would abuse that power to commit cruel and heinous acts upon the domesticated creatures that trust and depend on us the most should be removed from the human race using any means necessary. Period.

LeslieJeanne 8 years, 11 months ago

Some of these postings make me ashamed to be human. Maybe I can pretend I am from another species, maybe Vulcan.It is morally wrong to deliberately hurt any living thing. There has to be a way to stop people from doing this. I believe humans and animals to be equal in the rights to life, safety and well being.I am a vegan because in the world we live in here in the US it is not necessary to kill animals for protein. Soy works quite well.Enough of the cracking wise. Time to get serious because this is a serious issue that is only going to escalate as time goes by and the criminal is not caught. The person will become jaded with what they are doing and try to think of something more extreme to give them that little thrill they are looking for in this way.

woodenfleaeater 8 years, 11 months ago

So, if I go hunting and kill, for example, a turkey or a deer, I could be tried for murder?

monkeyhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

Considering the legal climate in Lawrence and you might only get 14 days in jail for killing an animal, I would have to vote no.

sally87 8 years, 11 months ago

I agree. It is worded poorly. If it were worded more specifically toward acts of animal abuse (e.g. setting a cat on fire) I would agree that punishment shouldn't be lax.

preebo 8 years, 11 months ago

"A foray into speculation about humans pitting their wits against those of wild beasts in the Serengeti is utterly missing the point. Sounds like you just needed some flimsy excuse to slam someone."Actually, my comment was intended as a tongue-in-cheek critique on Prune's statement as a whole. I am aware that Prune was referring to the self-fulfilled heirarchy of life, placing sentient beings above "lesser" lifeforms. He used the term animals not pets and spoke with such a certainty that I felt it necessary to present a situation where, Prune, (a human) might not be the more superior being in a setting. It was simply a change of perspective.I am aware that this article is referring to the self imported superiority some people place on humans over animals. It's a simple man vs. nature or seperate from such as opposed to man amongst nature.

MeAndFannieLou 8 years, 11 months ago

How many times have you heard someone say, "it's only a matter of time before so-and-so snaps and hurts someone, why do we have to wait until he (or she) actually commits a crime to do something about it?"Well, in the case of animal-abusers, here's our opportunity to do something before a loose cannon hurts another person. There is such a strong link between animal abuse and future violent crime, that, even if I didn't care a whole lot about animal welfare, I think I'd still support really, really serious penalties in response to it. Definitely come down hard on animal abusers, and also make sure they get intensive counselling and therapy.

50YearResident 8 years, 11 months ago

There is no way crimes against animals can be punished the same as crimes against Humans. Think of it like this: Pit Bull bites human, Human kills Pit Bull. Human arrested for murder. It goes to trial. Public lawyer assigned to represent pit bull, Human gets his lawyer. Jurors have to decide which one is at fault, was it self defense or premeditated murder? More story..............? Anyone see a problem with this?

notajayhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says: "Where do we draw the line between cruelty and husbandry?"We draw the line somewhere before taking an aged domestic pet from it's yard, mutilating it, and dumping it back in the yard for it's owners to find. Pretty sure the perp didn't do that to breed the animal.

notajayhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

Do we have to draw straws to see who gets to perform the first test?

andrew11 8 years, 11 months ago

After reading the Jake Deckert story, I'm not so sure the penalties for crimes against humans are really very strict to begin with.

booze_buds_03 8 years, 11 months ago

"but people who torture small animals sometimes become serial killers." -BigPrunePeople who don't torture small animals sometimes become serial killers too.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 8 years, 11 months ago

When will perpetrators realize that crimes against "others"-humans or animals-indeed are crimes against themselves.( And no crime is "perfect"... someone always knows... if only the perpetrator himself. )

MeAndFannieLou 8 years, 11 months ago

I think the issue is unnecessary cruelty and/or killing - for its own sake. ~sick and tired of being sick and tired

tvc 8 years, 11 months ago

Animals are almost always killed if they attack a human.

Puff_Dragon 8 years, 11 months ago

The answer is so easy a cave man could answer it.

Daniel Kennamore 8 years, 11 months ago

This is a joke question right?When do we round up everyone from the beef industry for the executions?

Kylee Manahan 8 years, 11 months ago

My personal opinion is that we, as humans domesticated the dog and the cat and because of that we have a responsibility to take care and protect them.

ForThePeople 8 years, 11 months ago

I think the poll should be worded differently. But I think certainly crimes against "family" pets, and that are violent and disturbing such as the recent events involving the horrific things done to cats, should be punished more severely. As it has been pointed out over and over, someone that would do things like this is a very SICK individual and needs to be taken out of society for everyones safety!

RedwoodCoast 8 years, 11 months ago

Autie: some vegans don't eat honeyI personally don't think crimes against animals should be punished the same as crimes against humans. Where do we draw the line between cruelty and husbandry?Horse meat has been in the news lately. Our ancestors in Europe, Asia, and North America all ate horse. Horse is an ancestral foodsource for most of us on this planet. I might even try it just to see what it is like. I guess the short answer to why we don't eat horse (or dog) today is that we have developed an economic relationship to them that revolves around productivity. In other words, they are tools to increase productivity; horses and dogs provide labor. So we form different relationships towards these particular species. This, I believe, is why a Texas horse meat plant was recently shut down. I think the government has actually banned horse meat production in the US.Some people in the world eat dog, cat, horse, guinea pig, etc. Where do we draw that line?

gontek 8 years, 11 months ago

My friend had cats pooping in his yard when he moved to lawrence and he shot them with an airsoft rifle. He shot me a few times with it too. The cats went away, it stings a little but leaves no damage.

jhawks1234 8 years, 11 months ago

Thank you logicsound.... PETA is a joke!.

jaywalker 8 years, 11 months ago

I thought the Peta/Ben and Jerry story HAD to be a joke when I first heard it. There's ridiculous, and then.....I've also heard that Sweden just re-wrote their constitution to include plants and animals with virtually the same rights as humans. What the...?

jumpin_catfish 8 years, 11 months ago

So if PETA has its way someday, I will be charged with murder for catching and eating a delicious catfish (pan-fried of course). That would truly be a crime. Also, Solomon raises a good question, will animals suffer the same when animals "commit" a crime?

RedwoodCoast 8 years, 11 months ago

Oh, NAJ, I was merely being rhetorical with my last post. I once watched a documentary about the Philippines (and I could be wrong about the location) where they kept cats in cages and sold them at a market. As a cat owner, myself, I found the practice abhorrent.I guess what I was wanting to point out is that how a society treats its domesticated animals is a reflection of certain aspects of that society. Hey, I'm a social scientist. Someone up there mentioned something about the human responsibility to take care of domesticated animals (I believe it was cats and dogs). We raise cattle for slaughter, but certain Asian religions would find that abhorrent.Case study: The guinea pigGuinea pigs were originally domesticated in the Andes in South America. Rather than having a compost pile, Andean peoples keep guinea pigs ('cuy' in Quechua) essentially as garbage disposals. Some even have a few running around in their kitchen. But they have an economic relationship with their guinea pigs, as they eat them. When I was in Cuzco, Peru, last summer, they were selling guinea pig on the street. In our society, the thought of eating that fat little guinea pig in the cage in the kids' room disgusts us. Indigenous Andean folks, on the other hand, love the taste of the little things. One person's pet or beast of burden may have originated as somebody else's dinner.Don't get me wrong, I think what happened to Sugar the cat is despicable within the context of our culture and society. Whoever did it either needs intensive psychiatric treatment or institutionalization.

RedwoodCoast 8 years, 11 months ago

Well, NAJ, since you were the only person to raise their hand, I guess you can be first.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 8 years, 11 months ago

RC: "Whoever did it either needs intensive psychiatric treatment or institutionalization."I say we just subject the perpetrator to the "nine lives" test.

RedwoodCoast 8 years, 11 months ago

Tange: I say we set up a betting pool and see how that test turns out.

ReadingSports 8 years, 11 months ago

Yea, I would like a Double cheese hold the onions, no mayo, fries, and a milkshake.

RedwoodCoast 8 years, 11 months ago

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Emily Hadley 8 years, 11 months ago

"When do we round up everyone from the beef industry for the executions?"If you want to feed your kids animals, why wouldn't you raise your children to care for and respect those animals through their development, then to slaughter them humanely? If you can't handle that, perhaps you could reconsider what you feed and teach your children by example. How an they not be desensitized when they see that an animal's life is only valued by the pound in a supermarket? Many children in the US learn that animals are not to be respected but are to be reared and killed however is cheapest, then chopped to pieces and sold to eat.Teaching children that killing animals and people is acceptable while sheltering them from its realities adds to the kind of confused, pathological behavior going on in backyards in Lawrence.

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