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My concern is not the speed I drive, but the maximum speed I can get away with before something is enforced. A speed limit lowered to 65 means I have to drive under 75. And, the faster I can get out of Kansas when I drive east or west, the better.
There will not be a significant environmental impact. So, no, not to save the environment. To lower the price of gas, maybe.
Radar detectors aren't legal in all states. As I said in another thread, it's not what your time is worth, but what the time of all the soldiers deployed overseas guaranteeing a supply of oil to burn is worth. We've had wartime speed limits before. Maybe we should have one again for as long as we're willing to pursue W's Crusade.
"If we let people like you and your liberals buddies write the laws you would try to force your values down everyone's throat whether we liked it or not because you in your infinite wisdom believe we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves."And of course, if we let rightwingers write all the laws you would try to force your values down everyone's throat whether we liked it or not...get the point?
There are other states along the interstates that have maintained 65mph speed limits for decades. AND 55-60 mph for 18 wheelers for decades. Considering that the long lines trucks remain in the right lanes I speculate state troopers enforce the speed limit.The faster one drives the more gas consumption takes place thus supporting inflated gasoline prices. The USA oil cartel knows americans will not change their ways therefore the USA oil cartels want that EXTRA expendable income that consumers blow through their exhaust pipes without a care in the world. The USA oil cartel reasons that USA consumers have more interest in blowing money than in fiscal restraint or environmental concern.
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if i drive from KCK to Goodland, KS its about 405 miles. driving 65 mph would take me about 6.2 hours whereas it would take me 5.7 hours to drive at 70 mph (difference of 30 minutes). the decrease in fuel efficiency during that trip at 70mph vs 65mph would cost me about $12.65 more in fuel at $3.75 per gallon. so the question is whether that extra 30 minutes is worth $12.65
Yeah, that f-ing Arkansas remark is about as stupid... Although, thumbs(and any other object) up people's butts sounds alot like what goes on in Lawrence...
They are addressing the problem the wrong way in my opinion. Instead of forcing everyone to drive slower they should be requiring car manufactures to make more fuel efficient vehicles. Congress has resisted this to long and only recently raised it to a rate it should have been 10 years ago. And why a luxury tax has not been passed, I will never understand other than congress lately has been more concerned about the wealthy, rather than the middle and lower class that are the ones that get things done.
Readingsports: You see, Pickens would use the Ring through a desire to do good. But through him. . . . it would wield a power greater and more terrible than can be imagined.
Think of the people who have to drive across the state, 65mph in central and western Ks. is torture.
people are gonna drive however they want to. all i was saying is from an economic perspective, unless i'm in a desperate hurry and just cannot afford that extra 30 minutes, it makes sense for me to slow down and put that money into something else (or rather, not be sending it overseas to the oil clowns). for those of us who are cash rich and can justify it and dont care who we are giving our money to, well, this is america, drive however you want to. its your money not mine.
Everyone else should have to drive at 55. I should be able to go as fast as I want.
Checked Bossa_Nova's and figures came up pretty close, 26.7 minutes and $10.13 savings, but you have to consider if reducing speed (average - and that's a very high average) from 70 to 65 mph is going to increase your average gas mileage from 25 mpg to 30 mpg? That's a 20% increase and I seriously question whether most automobiles on the road are going to demonstrate that great an improvement. Perhaps big boxy front end SUVs would but sleek aerodynamic vehicles wouldn't.You can get that much increase by checking tire pressure, cleaning air filter, setting air conditioner one or two degrees higher and using cruise control or not constantly accelerating decelerating which wastes gasoline.
wow. no surprise that Kansans are stupid again. never mind the environment I need to get to my terribly important activity NOW and to hell with the air quality and/or our ridiculous dependence on foreign oil. sad.
what an idiotic idea! only a moron would come up with this crap. The speed limit should be 75 in western Kansas.What a bunch of freakin idiots.
Jonas,Maybe he's got the One Ring... That should fix our dependency on foreign oil.
Why don't they focus on more long term solutions!? They want to fight over these coal plants and somehow lowering the speed limit to help pollution is suddenly a great option. Hello?!
Disgustedagain:."wow. no surprise that Kansans are stupid again. never mind the environment I need to get to my terribly important activity NOW and to hell with the air quality and/or our ridiculous dependence on foreign oil. sad."Why is it so many liberals will call someone a name if they don't agree with them or make the exact same choices as they do? Last time I check in this country we have the freedom to make choices and I still have the option to drive up to the speed limit. Do you drive the minimum speed limit on the highways? If not then maybe someone else would call you stupid since by their perspective you are selfish and are killing the environment. If we let people like you and your liberals buddies write the laws you would try to force your values down everyone's throat whether we liked it or not because you in your infinite wisdom believe we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves.
There's no paper over here. Could somebody pass me a carbon credit?
Just raise it to 88 mph. It works for me.
Why stop with the speed limit. How about requiring a gps chip in every car that tells the KHP how fast your car is going at all times. When you surpass the speed limit, a ticket is automatically generated. Privacy issues you say, nooooooo, the chip is a prerequisite to licensing your car. Therefore, you have bargained your privacy away for the right to drive your car.The reality is, this proposal, is an encroachment on movement, or your freedom, cloaked in the benevolent and loving arms of saving the planet. It is nothing more than chipping away at personal liberty.It's time for America to wake up and face that enviro-facism that is now galloping thru the "land of the free and the home of the brave."
Where is the "I don't care because I'm going 85 on the highway anyway" option?
Does five miles an hour really make that much of a difference in safety? My dad used to use an analogy for stuff like this, it matters like "(urinating) in the ocean to raise the tide."
Um, northtown, are you using the royal "we"?
Jonas, Flithy, stinking gas-guzzlers. I hates them... They takes the precious...
Uhh, no, I think they should focus on the engines in the vehicles and not how fast people are driving those vehicles. Mandate increased fuel efficiency rather than an annoying decrease in the speed limit.
"... and their mind in Arkansas" Hey now, let's not insult people from Arkansas... I know many good people from the great state of Arkansas. Though it did turn into a much better place after the Dark Lord and Witch Queen moved to the Brain-Dead-Politician Marshes of Maryland and Delaware.
"Marty_McFly (Anonymous) says: Just raise it to 88 mph. It works for me."That's good stuff.
classclown,Travel east and see for yourself. I've made the journey many times since 1980.Hwy 50 between Cincinnati and St Louis to I-64 has a variety of speeds between 55&65.How many american vehicles are actually designed to travel at high speeds? Talking about braking and handling. SUV's certainly are not designed for high speed driving. Now a Porsche 911 on the other hand is designed for such driving. The driver on the other hand may be the problem======================The National Maximum Speed Law in the United States was a provision of the 1974 Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act that prohibited speed limits higher than 55 mph (90 km/h). This law was modified in 1987 to allow 65 mph (105 km/h) limits on certain roads.In 1995, the law was repealed, returning the power of setting speed limits to the states.Historically, the power to set speed limits belonged to the states. As an emergency response to the 1973 oil crisis, on November 26, 1973, President Richard Nixon proposed a national 50 mph speed limit for passenger vehicles and a 55 mph speed limit for trucks and buses. That, combined with a ban on ornamental lighting, no gasoline sales on Sunday, and a 15% cut in gasoline production, were proposed to reduce total gas consumption by 200,000 barrels a day, representing a 2.2% drop from annualized 1973 gasoline consumption levels. Nixon partly based this on a belief that cars achieve maximum efficiency between 40 and 50 mph and that trucks and buses were most efficient at 55 mph.The California Trucking Association, the then-largest trucking association in the United States, opposed differential speed limits on grounds that they are "not wise from a safety standpoint.A uniform 55 mph (90 km/h) speed limit was signed by President Nixon on January 2, 1974, effective 60 days later, by requiring the limit as a condition of each state receiving highway funds, a use of the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution.The legislation required 55 mph speed limits on all 4 lane divided highways unless the road had a lower limit before November 1, 1973. In some cases, like the New York Thruway, the 50 mph speed limit had to be raised to 55 mph to comply with the law. The law capped speed limits at 55 mph on all other roads.A survey by the Associated Press found that, as of the Wednesday, January 2, 1974: * 12 states already had maximum speed limits of 55 mph. * 9 states had maximum speed limits of 50 mph. * 29 states had to lower limits.This includes some states that voluntarily lowered their limits in advance of the federal requirement.On May 12, 1974, the United States Senate defeated a proposal by Senator Robert Dole to raise the speed limit to 60 mph.
My MPG hovers between 33-34MPG on the highway whether I go at 65 or 75 with the exception of going at 80 which I got a whopping 30MPG and I hardly go at 80MPH.Honestly this depends on what kind of an engine you run. It may help some, and it may hurt others. I'm sure a 200RPM difference in my engine from 65MPH and 75MPH won't make too much of a difference in MPGs. I think whoever bought that truck or SUV should be allowed to go as fast as they want at their expense.Is this country slowly becoming into a babysitting state where it thinks no one can make their own rational decisions?
Bossa Nova,The question isn't whether an extra 30 minutes at your destination is worth $12.65 to you. Rather, the question is whether or not you should have the right to make that decision for yourself. The KEC wants to take that decision out of your hands, which is, in my opinion, an horrific usurpation of our rights as citizens. It's one thing to have a speed limit in the name of "public safety," a dubious claim as it is. It's quite another to change that limit as an overreaction to high gas prices. If people want to drive their vehicles slower to maximize fuel efficiency, they can do that with the current speed limit. By all means, educate people that driving slower means higher fuel efficiency. But please, please, please do not further diminish our rights as citizens to make decisions for ourselves.Bottom line: if an extra 30 minutes at your destination is worth $12.65 to you, shouldn't you be able to make that decision without fear of punishment or reprisal from our government?
Speed kills. Reduced speed impairs.
readingsports: But we all know that Elven oil is the best option. It's clean, as they put their love of nature into all that they make, and like their waybread, one gallon is enough to fill the tank of a full-sized car. Too bad Fangorn and Lepanto never post anymore. They would enjoy this.
merrill (Anonymous) says:There are other states along the interstates that have maintained 65mph speed limits for decades. AND 55-60 mph for 18 wheelers for decades. decadesdecadesdecadeS...=============================Merrill the national speed limit of 55mph was repealed in November of 1995. How have all these states been maintaining speed limits of 65mph for decadeS when states have only had the option for not quite 13 years? Do you not pay attention? Do you just like to exaggerate? Or are you simply without a clue?Someone on the traffic commission should at least know what he is talking about when it comes to traffic.
Last time I checked (about a year ago), radar detectors were legal in every state except Virginia. A few states don't allow you to hook things to your windshield either.
Obama the sadist and Kathy the Dominatrix, the perfect presidential duo: we will make you suffer; you must drive slower; you must pay more to drive...what's that? you are already paying more for gas? You think that is punishment? Take this, and like it!!! You make money on your investments? You think you are going to enjoy it? Think again!!! We will take everything you make and give to that guy over there, you know, the one who never held a job in his life. You deserve it, you bad, bad capitalist.You worked hard and saved money and bought some property and want to pass this on to your children? Silly, silly person. We will take all that from them because you were a bad, bad capitalist.Obama and Kathy will make you sorry you even thought of being successful, you bad, bad, people.
Okay, lets dispense with this falicy that reduced speed saves lives. In the mid-90's when the gov't was thinking of repealing 55, so called experts said that this will lead to 6400 more deaths per year. The rise has been negligable which is amazing considering that people blather away on cell phones now. In only two states have the deaths really risen and that is the Dakota's (and if I lived there I would want to off myself anyway). Americans now spend 1-2 billion hours less on the road now than when the double nickle was in place meaning more time to either be more productive at work, or spending that time doing what you want. I value my time over a couple gallons of gas.
Driving is a privilege? -- YesAre you kidding me? -- Doubt it.Is breathing a privilege? -- NoIs flying a privilege? -- YesIs buying a new couch a privilege? -- YesIs buying a hamburger and fries from McDonald a privilege? -- YesAre you saying government has the power to stop us from doing these things? -- Millions of convicts would say that they do. Some poor people who haven't stopped to think about it would say that they already have as well. But if we're talking about privileges versus rights, you should move away from economic and commercial transactions.
Really, think about what is the real reason you are protesting a slower speed limit.-taking away my right to drive as fast as I want. Driving is a priviledge, not a right. -auto makers should design more fuel efficient cars. And, how many of you own hybrids now? It will be years before affordable fuel efficient cars are available.-the politicians are ruining our lives. Did you vote? Run for office, if you think you can do a better job. Or, volunteer to the political party of your choice and use your voice for good, not for griping in here.
Driving is a privilege? Are you kidding me? Is breathing a privilege? Is flying a privilege? Is buying a new couch a privilege? Is buying a hamburger and fries from McDonald a privilege? Are you saying government has the power to stop us from doing these things, Komrade Gina?
Reducing the speed limit is not an unbearable restriction on liberties, and it does save lives and reduce gasoline consumption, so it is a good idea.
Godot (Anonymous) says:Driving is a privilege? Are you kidding me? Is breathing a privilege? Is flying a privilege? Is buying a new couch a privilege? Is buying a hamburger and fries from McDonald a privilege? Are you saying government has the power to stop us from doing these things, Komrade Gina?================================As far as driving is concerned, yes. It has always been a privilege and not a right. As far as buying a hamburger and fries, apparently so.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_re_us/fast_food_ban
The speed limit is 75 as soon as you cross the line on I-70 and enter Colorado. If anything Kansas should raise the speed limit to 75. It makes no sense why the Kansas speed limit is 5 miles per hour lower than Colorado now.
Haha. Cheerist, I should wake up before I start posting. Sorry, marion, I wasn't trying to say you spend time talking about myself, but you do spend a good deal of time talking about yourself.
labmonkey;The claims that the lower speed limit saved lives was based on the common statistical fallacy that correlation can demonstrate causation.A magazine article I read back in the late 70's or early 80's pointed out that the time the speed limit was lowered was the same period when the majority of cars on the road had the mandatory safety features instituted in the late 60's. After adjusting for the lives saved by such things as seatbelts, padded dashboards, safety glass, etc. (using the HTSA's own figures), the death rate actually increased around the time the speed limit was lowered.
The energy of a collision increases at four times the increase in speed.
Marion, if we got pissed at you gloating or talking about myself we'd have little energy left for anything else.
Godot, I see others already answered your question.Other examples, too many tickets = suspended license, failing driving test or vision test or written test = no license,diagnosed with seizures = suspended license.So, you see, it is a priviledge, not a right.It stands to reason that physics of motion would show that slower speeds would mean fewer fatality accidents. Also would need to factor in seat belts, air bags, and cell phone use.
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