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Do you think the drinking age should be lowered from 21 to 18, in an effort to curb binge drinking?

Response Percent Votes
53% 623
43% 503
Not sure
3% 42
Total 1168


canyon_wren 9 years, 9 months ago

How would that curb binge drinking? And wasn't it lowered a while before, without any significant improvement?

jonas 9 years, 9 months ago

Well, without the last bit, I'd probably say yes, but lowering it to 18 would hardly have a positive effect on binge drinking, as it would still legalize many people right as they first come to college.

crane13 9 years, 9 months ago

you cant curb binge drinking with laws. parents have to do that. hey law makers, do what you want with yours and leave me and mine out of it

Trobs 9 years, 9 months ago

Once I turned 21 I stopped binge drinking. It's a lot more fun when it's illegal

copperdog007 9 years, 9 months ago

They should lower it to 18 cuz that is the age you can fight for your country. This is a much better reason to lower it.

John Hamm 9 years, 9 months ago

You're going to curb binge drinking by lowering the age to 18! Ah, that's some good stuff you're smoking.........

BrianR 9 years, 9 months ago

"...I did miss an entire Jefferson Starship concert once..."So in this case alcohol did something positive for you.

whatupdown 9 years, 9 months ago

Outlaw that crap, all that it offers ends in suffering.

JerryStubbs 9 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, I read that a lot of kids these days will try to drink 21 drinks the night of their 21st birthday, so if we lower it to 18 they will only drink 18? maybe that is a little better, but I think they should only drink 3.2 beer, or 3.2 Zima, etc, like we did in the 'olden' days.

acoupstick 9 years, 9 months ago

As a Chesty Lion from the early 90's, I can say the legal drinking age had virtually no impact on my ability to obtain and consume alcohol under the age of 21. My friends and I were often served alcohol at various local establishments including Paradise Cafe during summers when they were hard up for business.

samsnewplace 9 years, 9 months ago

If young adults can vote at 18, why can't they drink a beer?

mikeyj 9 years, 9 months ago

aeroscout17 - You're correct about the difference between ABW and ABV. 3.2% ABW =4.0% ABV. All beer sold in grocery stores is therefore 4.0% ABV. Here are the ABV contents for the beers you mentioned:Coors 4.91%Coors light 4.15%Budweiser 5.0%Bud light 4.2%Miller Genuine Draft 4.7%Miller Lite 4.2%

gccs14r 9 years, 9 months ago

We've made alcohol a forbidden fruit, enhancing its appeal. Repeal the drinking age and let parents (and society) teach their kids responsible alcohol use without fearing a visit from SRS.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 9 months ago

I can empathize with Py regarding those awful 70s concerts. I remember attending one of those stadium affairs boasting the likes of Fleetwood Mac, Heart, REO Speedwagon, Foghat(?)... Black Oak Arkansas!It was HOT and NASTY.

Curtis Lange 9 years, 9 months ago

Good to see the retarded comment of "They can serve their country, but they can't have a beer" comment made it here too. Base commanders have the option of allowing servicemen/woman who are under 21 to drink on base.My say: 16 for beer and 18 for hard liquor. At the same time, use a rationing system to limit the amount of alcohol those 18 and under can buy during any one month. All while this is going on, increase the driving age to 18.

Curtis Lange 9 years, 9 months ago

Seems to work for a good portion of the world...

JerryStubbs 9 years, 9 months ago

I was permitted to drink 3.2 beer at 18, and I didn't think it was that big a deal, so I don't think I went on any kind of binge to celebrate it. In fact I remember KU used to have a kegger at Potter's lake and they didn't even check my ID. WHen I (finally) turned 21, I kind of remember going to a bar to use my new credentials, but I was used to the bar scene enough that I didn't make a big deal of it. In fact I might have tried to downplay the event so I would fit in better. But since everybody's different, whatever the law is, or is changed too, will probably be worse for some people and better for others.However, people get driver's licenses at 16, and that is one of the biggest dangers they face, worsened if mixed with alcohol. Maybe KU should have alcohol sanctioned events on campus, but take their car keys when they arrive. Free booze should really boost the attendance!

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 9 months ago

"... in an effort to curb binge drinking?"Don't we already have too many binge drinkers at the curb?

JerryStubbs 9 years, 9 months ago

Maybe when you show your ID to get the free beer, the quantity is based on your grade average, A's get 4, D's only get 1! A different kind of incentive!

Randall Barnes 9 years, 9 months ago

14 15 16 and 18 year olds already drink im 43 and i binge drink old enough to fight for our flag old enough to drink

Jcjayhawk1 9 years, 9 months ago

18 = Adult If you can be sentenced and prosecuted as an Adult you should have the option to drink.If you can be drafted...drink all you want. It's a damn shame that you can be sent off to Iraq as young as 18, get blown to bits and never have a beer. That's the real crime.

Steve Mechels 9 years, 9 months ago

It is all about education. Look at many (not all) European countries where youth younger than 18 can drink. They enforce the laws and teach youth to drink responsibly.BTW, there is no difference between 3.2 beer and the "strong" beer you buy at the liquor store (at least the major brands, e.g., Coors, Bud, Miller, etc. Imports and micros are a different story). One has the alcohol measured by weight and the other by volume. If you don't believe me, go ask any brewery.I have asked that question at three different major brewers, (2 Anheuser-Busch and Coors); the first time I asked it they actually laughed at me. Does anyone really think these huge breweries make two different versions of the same beer?

seriouscat 9 years, 9 months ago

Would've answered yes if the question would merely have been about lowering the age without trying to imply that doing so would do anything to curb 'binge drinking'. Legal adulthood should include all rights including the right to get slobbering drunk and make an ass of yourself. Just be sure to make drunk driving punitive enough on the first strike as to make it a not-an-option option, like it should be anyway.

jonas 9 years, 9 months ago

whatupdown (Anonymous) says:"Outlaw that crap, all that it offers ends in suffering."Haha. Who did you wake up next to?

jonas 9 years, 9 months ago

Py: Sounds like a plan. The only time I ever "barfed" in front of my parents was the time that they did the "see how much you can drink" trick when they found evidence of drinking. I just drank until I was satisfied (which probably would have been enough to make most 17 year olds barf, I'd had practice) and then just splashed some water in the toilet and acted ill till I got to my bedroom and listened to music on my headphones.

Tony Kisner 9 years, 9 months ago

Lowering the age for 3.2 beer or even 2.3 beer to 18 could lessen the amount abuse of hard sweet drinks which can be very dangerous. I would much rather have my child drinking from a can of budwiser than a red cup full of who knows what. These young adults are socializing and when younger adults socialize sometimes they like to have a drink. I think it is better to let them fill up on beer foam rather than 10 shots of vokda and a trip to the emergency room.

denak 9 years, 9 months ago

Here is my two cents.No, the drinking age should not be lowerd from 21 to 18.There are numerous studies coming out that confirm that adolescents in terms of brain developement doesn't end until the early 20's. This is the reason for the impulsivity and the immaturity in a lot of younger people. The age 18 is an arbitrary number that our society has attached to adulthood but it doesn't reflect what doctors are finding out about brain developement. If anything the age of majority, and the rights and priviledges that go with it, should be moved up from 18 to 21. Not the other way around.Young people are going to drink. But the way to handle that is not to lower the drinking age but to educate individuals about the effects of binge drinking and the potential for harm. Personally, I think the only reason some of these chancellors have endorsed this idea is so that they can get liquor deals with these companies.When parents complain that their kids are getting drunk, the university wants to be able to absolve themselves of any responsibility by saying "hey it's legal." while all the while lining the university's coffer with whatever endorsement deal they made with Coors.They want the money and the health of their students probably does not rank high on their list.Dena

JayCat_67 9 years, 9 months ago

"As for drinking, that is a parental issue, not a government one. Keep it at 21."Huh!?

Crossfire 9 years, 9 months ago

Pywacket,Did we miss the same Starship show?

beatrice 9 years, 9 months ago

What if they raised the limit to 23, an age when most will have graduated? Problem solved. Py, the devil's drink did you a favor that night. Jefferson Starship? What were you thinking?! Was it peer pressure to go to that concert? "We Built This City (On Rock and Roll)" is the worst song ever written, and your senses may never have been the same had you listened to it live.Now, put on the headphones and listen to two Talking Heads tracks before bed, then call me in the morning.

Ronda Miller 9 years, 9 months ago

The age to fight in the armed services should be raised to 65 - give some people who are retired and have lived their lives a chance to fight for what they believe in, let the young people have a chance at a life before we take it from them.Raise the drinking age to 65 so people that age won't remember what they are doing when they sign up to enlist!

JerryStubbs 9 years, 9 months ago

Even though 3.2 beer might be as strong as any American beer, but the sheer volume of all that water slows most people down eventually. Better than 21 shots of tequila. These kids drink 21 shots in maybe 5 or 10 minutes then later pass out, maybe even die. That would be way more alcohol than I could ever consume as beer. A six pack is over a half-gallon of liquid. They don't serve beer in the bathroom.

micah6_8 9 years, 9 months ago

The bottom line is that 18 year olds are NOT mature enough to handle drinking responsibly! Period. The argument that they are old enough to fight in the armed services has no bearing - it is like comparing pansies to turnips and deciding which has the better gas mileage. Meaningless. One has nothing to do with the other and the result of the argument is idiocy. Perhaps they ought to have the right, but it all still boils down to 18 year olds not having the maturity. It is a simple fact of human development. And I'm not all that sure about 21 year olds either.....The real issue here is that the KU chancelors and the athletic department all want the drinking age lowered so Penthouse magazine can come back out and rate KU the number one party school again, which will (arguably) raise enrollment, which will mean more money for KU and the athletics gods.And stop with all the idiotic nonsense about how it would be OK if it was only for 3.2 beer because they wouldn't get as drunk. Bull Hockey!!! When I was in my first year (back when the drinking age was 18) in college (K-State, thank goodness) I got just as plastered on 3.2 beer in Aggieville as on anything else. And no, I didn't have the sense enough to know when to stop, either. 18 is still too young, no matter what little Johnny or little Susie think or say.And forget bout the clinical terms such as "binge drinking." The bottom line is that they all go out planning on getting wasted. Why sanitize it by giving it a clinical name? Call it what it is. You all who use terms like that are doing nothing but shifting the responsibility away from what your insipid little brats are doing, and making it seem like they are not really responsible for what they are doing. They go out, get wasted, act stupidly, get hurt or jump off of porch roofs, and it is plain and simple THEIR OWN FAULT. But you want shift the blame on someone else. And you want to make it easier for them to get their hands on the stuff? Shame on you!

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 9 months ago

Labeling is labeling.Beer is beer.Seems I recall an analytic survey conducted by the KU Chemistry Department, decades ago, of so-called 3.2 and 5.0 ( "strong" ) beer.With only a few departures-generally lower in alcohol content-ALL beer is three percent.B33R.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 9 years, 9 months ago

"Do you think the drinking age should be lowered from 21 to 18..."I think the approach to the bar should be lowered from 21" to 18", and anyone who can "limbo" beneath can order a drink.

Tom McCune 9 years, 9 months ago

aeroscout:When I lived in St; Louis, friends who worked at A-B told me that 3.2 beer is exactly the same as "lite" beer. At that time lite beer was still somewaht new, and I asked them how they developed it. They just laughed and said "We didn't develop anything. We've made that stuff here in the Midwest since the 1930s. It's 3.2 beer. We just changed the label, raised the price, and started shipping it all over the country."The old law was OK. Lite 3.2 beer at 18. 21 for all else.

RedwoodCoast 9 years, 9 months ago

Tangential:Wasn't pot supposed to be around 10x less potent several decades ago, too?Well, that was kind of tongue-in-cheek, but have you tried many microbrews? Go pick up an IPA or a barleywine or an imperial ale. Drink these like they're 3% and charge admission fees for the show.By the way, IPA's tend to be the trendier beers now. Coincidentally, they also tend to be around 6-7% alcohol by volume. It has always seemed to me that if people desire to drink, the less often they have the opportunity to do so, the more they will drink when that opportunity arises.

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