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lol, Lawrence is no more special than Eudora, DeSoto, any other city within the state of Kansas or anywhere else on the globe. The majority, in the poll, see it as it truly is.
15% of the people make sense at least! Lawrence passed its natural limit about a half a decade ago so please realize this and plan accordingly. Lets not loose it and turn into another kansas city with endless cookie cutter ugly growth town. Lawrence is special and you have to fight sometimes for special places.
i just had to cut and paste meself.
the problem with lawrence is:..a lot of people in power want lawrence to remain like it was when they first moved here 10, 15, or 20 years ago. lawrence is the most restrictive city in the midwest when it comes to business. why is this? too many people with influence who are connected to the university or work for the government don't have a grasp of the real world.
lawrence is slowing down? this was expected after the progressives took power and set our city back. high taxes, high housing prices, an anti-business attitude. should anyone be surprised?
lawrence is an island of tax and spenders surrounded by a sea of common sense.
lawrence is also the laughingstock of the state. what was the first major action of our recently elected city commissioners? talk about priorities.
i wish lawrence would go back to the way it was in the 1990's, when growth was considered a good thing because growth pays. It is the truth that growth really does pay.
stopping growth is killing our city but does anyone listen or care anymore? no growth=no life. the city is dying. the progressive policies need to be reversed. too bad they spent so many million$ on round-a-bouts, bicycle paths for 1/2 of 1% of our population, and a boondoggle bus system.
i stay because i still have a tiny bit of hope that common sense will prevail, eventually.
Or could it be, oh, I don't know--all the GANGS moving in and CRIME????????? And people who have no consideration whatsoever for their neighbors!!!???
Trilobites of ticky tacky town,
Keep breeding, building your shells and eating the green. Everything will be fine.
Could it be that Lawrence doesn't offer the alternative which it did 15 or 20 yrs ago? Gone are most of the green spaces in & around town, replaced by ticky-tacky slab monuments to our builder and developer's dreams of greed. Gone are the academic advantages of our schools which now lag far behind Olathe and Blue Valley. Gone is much of the sense of community now that we have become a JoCo commuter's bedroom community. It is easy to blame our city council for trying to retain any bit of our sense of small town and distance us from the OP/Lenexa/Olathe sprawl but perhaps that misses the bigger picture - what has become of the essence of Larryville ?
"what has become of the essence of Larryville ?"
It moved to Brandon Woods and Presbyterian Manor.
Why is it lagging? I suppose it is based on perspective... is having only 1 walmart lagging... Or thinking before installing a highway over an ecosystem that may have grave repercushions on the wildlife that bad? Personally i would like to see some more lagging. Recently on a trip out to Clinton lake i drove out on the sixth street route, and i was disgusted by the growth i saw subdivisions that make cookie cutters out to be distinctly different... i felt as though i was passing through a suburbian limbo. Our schools are lagging... maybe a slight bit behind blue valley and olathe but that is because they are buying the best they are willing to pay salaries that the good teachers are worth and so subjects actually manage to be sufferable enough for a student to bare.
What we need is Smart growth not rapid growth!
"Fix the roads."
Good one, why don't you run for office and do it?
Fix the roads and finish the SLT so all of the commuters with well paying jobs in OP and Topeka will stay and keep paying the bills of the worst run city in Kansas and a school district that thinks they're a private prep academy. I've been here for 11 years commuting from prairie park to Topeka on Haskell 2 lane and 31st 2 lane and south out of town on Louisiana to avoid all of the ridiculously long stop lights around 31st and Iowa, then onto the half bypass K-10. Not only should K-10 have been finished 10 years ago- it should have been 4 lanes to handle the amount of travel in NE Kansas.
Two last things in this 1980's half-ass city might push me over to KC--no Catholic education past 6th grade for my kids and twice the house for the price. Keep watching housing prices fall along with the population as people reevaluate how much extra they're paying to live in self-proclaimed paradise.
Lawrence's growth policies for the past 2 decades has focused on residential growth. Today we have Beigetown. Growth in the '90's sure paid for itself, that's why the pro-growthers instituted the 1% sales tax, to help pay for it all, and that's why they're trying to add to that tax: because growth sure does pay for itself!
Lawrence's growth policy over the past 20 years created a bedroom community, with no industrial sector. The reason is simple: the housing industry has dominated Lawrence's policies for most of those years. Eco2 was formed, but it's been in Limbo for years now, with nothing to show for itself. Sustainable growth is what is needed, but that won't happen because you need to think about that before you act. Unfortunately, too many people in this town, and in this forum, follow the policy of READY-FIRE-AIM.
If residential growth paid for itself and was financially positive, we would not be in a budget crunch. But with increased numbers of houses you have increased demand on services, and historically the funding of revenues generated by single-family housing does not pay for the services, they require from a municipality.
Also when consultants are paid fairly good money and some commissioners decide not to accept a decision simply because they disagree based on nothing more than personal opinion is not acceptable. Placemakers was brought to town at the request of Mayor Hack, then paid $250,000 for their services. They left behind some very good ideas in addition to some unwanted news. 30% over built in retail based on their in town research yet some commissioners are choosing to ignore that fact based on no current research to counter that finding.
Frankly it seems to me major policy issues should be put to the voters in order to maintain a bit of continuity. Policy should be set based on facts.
Why is Lawrence appointing people to a Planning Commission who have no urban planning background/experience.
These are tools for making growth decisions which should be applied in a detailed fashion to a specific applicant:
Retail Impact Study
Economic Impact Study
Environmental Impact Study
Traffic Impact Study
*Cost of Community Services Study
Failing to use these tools creates anxiety, tax revenue problems and inflated tax bills to property owners. Whether or not one can afford whatever tax bills are submitted is not the issue. I would rather see growth churning along increasing my property taxes taxes at a normal cost of living increase(4%) in addition to healthy economic growth taxes picking up the rest of the tab without sales tax and mill levy increases.
After 25 years of expanding the tax base what exactly is creating a need to reduce services and call for a sales tax increase? Speculation is not a good tool for the answer.
Invasion of close-minded, anti-progressive, middle manager suburbanite commuters from JoCo. Their lives, their homes, their cars, jobs, their spouses, their kids, their pets, their minds, their tastes in anything are all blandly unremarkable and they require the same of their surroundings. The pigeons of our society they quickly foul the countryside and force out the more interesting, more colorful, more useful and the more beneficial so that they may strut and flap around for each other. Extermination is clearly called for, but not yet supported by our laws.
Get rid of zoning all together. Other communities have done it and they are better off - the cost of living is much lower than controlled development, they are prosperous and they have job creation more than not. Don't you think that Lawrence would save a bundle of OUR dollars if we didn't have a planning department jacking around with everything? I sincerely believe that the citizens of Lawrence would be much happier, even the habitual bullies who complain about anything and everything.
Maybe because thus far Lawrence and Douglas County have been unwilling to use STAR bonds, TIF districts and eminent domain, along with land giveaways and reduced utility rates to bribe developers to the extent that KCK/Wyco was?
Here is a thought: Could Lawrence be lagging because most of the state is conservative and Lawrence is flaming liberal? Could it be that we focused so much on expanding in the last 15 years, but didn't focus on building the infrastructure needed to support the growth? Could it be that we had the money to build the infrastructure but wasted it on roundabouts and "modern art masterpieces" that make no sense or have any asthetic value?
It might be because we made a mockery of marriage with the ridiculous "domestic registry" and people with virtues and values simply don't want to associate themselves with that??????
"Lawrence Journal World, where are your moderators? Why do allow this hate speech?"
Ever heard of humor? Tongue in cheek? Get a life.
"-it is idiot,i screwed up again,i cannot be perfect like you in Lawrence can!!!! Pus some others may be spelled wrong,but when farming spelling is not #1 on our list !!!!!!!!!!! But common sense is,is that on yours????"
Wow, the power of your argument convinces me. And, by the way, "I" should be capitalized. Also, I think you meant "Plus" not "pus" but could be mistaken.
"Really? You consider middle class suburbia to be a blot on society.
Perhaps you should travel to eastern europe and marvel at the beautiful buildings the progressive socialists built for their people. The sheer elegance of the concrete grey is enough to take your breath away,:or maybe it is the smog that takes the breath away. Regardless, socialist utopia's are beautiful, tollerant, equal communities where all work for the state and the state in its benevolence gives to the worker."
Who would ever come to Lawrence to see anything west of Iowa? You can see virtually the same thing within 5 minutes of any city, town or suburban scar in America. It is, afterall, not the bland sameness of the suburbs or its inhabitants that makes Lawrence attractive.
What is the difference between the sheer elegance of concrete grey and the unnatural glow of Trugreen lawns and Nimbus Gray Metallic Honda vans?
By the results, it's obviously a liberal democratic response. Blame everything on the governing body and expect them to supply you a bunch of services that the community can't afford.
To the editor:
More stories than election results were there for the reading in the Feb. 28 Journal-World. True, "newcomers lead the pack," but far more significant is where they led. The page 4A map of precincts and their "winners" told the story. Of the 49 precincts, the newcomers won in 29, and all but three were west of Iowa Street - in every area where intensive new development is occurring, including far southeast Lawrence.
Those in the central and eastern parts of town, where the streets, sewers and sidewalks so desperately need attention, generally supported the incumbents. By more than votes, Lawrence is increasingly divided - east vs. west; older housing vs. new; expensive (and ultra-expensive) construction; long-term residents vs. transient dwellers in overextended apartment complexes.
Two other stories in that same paper are relevant to what these numbers are saying. Economist David Burress' letter about "Depressing myths" reveals how unsound are "facts" emanating from the campaigns of the well-funded development-oriented candidates. Mike Hoeflich, on the opinion page, laments Lawrence's lack of vision as a community.
In spite of the pitifully small number of voters who showed up at the polls Tuesday, the election results reveal clearly what this race for city commissioners is all about. It is important enough to the political newcomers to spend more than $20,000 to convince voters that they know what is best for Lawrence taxpayers. We still have another election to go; folks, are you listening?
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right_thinker is banned? When did that happen?
Most people from the outside have waken up and realize that Lawrence no longer has the vibe of a "college town" but more like a JoCo suburb. That I think would be the reason nobody would want to move to Lawrence.
Is granola gone too?
"Keep watching housing prices fall along with the population as people reevaluate how much extra they're paying to live in self-proclaimed paradise."
Blame this on the real estate industry and the fact that people feel they have to live in Lawrence no matter the price.
That is the real estate industry. What did the real estate industry promise home buyers?
You work in Topeka yet threat to move to KCMO...hmmmmm. Housing is much cheaper in Topeka
plus gas savings. You may not live in Lawrence now.
The 'college town' vibe is much more conservative in Lawrence than that of it's remnant population of leftover hippies.
I think the lack of growth is directly attributable to the rising crime rate, the negative political vibe, the lack of some good alternatives to public schooling (which is worsening by the minute), and the cookie cutter approach to new development. And let's not forget...our homeless show which runs just about 24/7 downtown is not exactly great for tourism....
There is a big difference between people who know how to be successful and those who don't. Lawrence doesn't want to allow successful people to lead us anywhere so we are not going anywhere. The very talented are not interested in being involved if they are going to get beat up all the time.
Roads: If you want economic growth you need better roads which means completion of the bypass and a 4 lane to Ottawa to connect with I-35. I personally believe that the problems began because of the arrogant attitude of the original planners.
After that you need industrial areas that are priced competitively to attract small and medium businesses, not just large businesses.
Lastly, we need to change our reputation. We are considered unfriendly to business. It hurts us in the marketplace.
The liberal label is BS. This is a very diverse community. The word liberal is being used like a curse word. We are not liberal, we are "educated". There is a difference. We are among the most educated communities in the US and should be able to attract the very best. It is a privilege to live in Lawrence, a diverse and highly educated and tolerant community.
That's my 2 cents.
Yes Lawrence is lagging. It all started around 1979 when the proposed shopping center on south Iowa was denied. That caused spot stores which had no out of town draw, Next came the Riverfront Mall, doomed from the start because it was built on a dead end street with only one entrance. The final blow was the North Lawrence Mall, built in the wrong part of town in a flood prone area. This is a result of not having a permanent form of government. Even the mayor is a 1 year position. How can you make good sound progress using (temps)?
Because it should?
I definitely agree about the form of government.
You are absolutely correct on this.
Unfortunately, I don't foresee a fix in the near future no matter how badly we need it.
I have heard the same comment from a lot of people.
Northtown you hit it on the head. Lawrence leaders don't want "jobs" for Lawrence they want "positions."
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