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Identity politics entangles Warren

May 24, 2012

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— Blond, blue-eyed Elizabeth Warren, the Senate candidate and Harvard professor who cites “family lore” that she is 1/32nd Cherokee, was inducted into Oklahoma’s Hall of Fame last year. Her biography on oklahomaheritage.com says she “can track both sides of her family in Oklahoma long before statehood” (1907) and “she proudly tells everyone she encounters that she is ‘an Okie to my toes.’” It does not mention any Cherokee great-great-great-grandmother. A DVD of the induction ceremony shows that neither Warren nor anyone else mentioned this.

The kerfuffle that has earned Warren such sobriquets as “Spouting Bull” and “Fauxcahontas” began with reports that Harvard Law School, in routine academic preening about diversity (in everything but thought), listed her as a minority faculty member, as did the University of Pennsylvania when she taught there. She said some in her family had “high cheekbones like all of the Indians do.” The New England Historic Genealogical Society said a document confirmed the family lore of Warren’s Cherokee ancestry, but later backtracked. She has said she did not know Harvard was listing her as a minority in the 1990s, but Harvard was echoing her: From 1986 through 1995, starting before she came to Harvard, a directory published by the Association of American Law Schools listed her as a minority and says its listings are based on professors claiming minority status.  

So, although no evidence has been found that Warren is part Indian, for years, two universities listed her as such. She has identified herself as a minority, as when, signing her name as “Elizabeth Warren — Cherokee,” she submitted a crab recipe (Oklahoma crabs?) to a supposedly Indian cookbook. This is a political problem.

A poll taken before this controversy found her Republican opponent Scott Brown trouncing her on “likability,” 57 percent to 23 percent. Even Democrats broke for Brown 40-38. Now she is a comic figure associated with laughable racial preferences. She who wants Wall Street “held accountable” is accountable for two elite law schools advertising her minority status. She who accuses Wall Street of gaming the financial system at least collaborated with, and perhaps benefited from, the often absurd obsession with “diversity.”    

How absurd? Warren says that for almost a decade she listed herself in the AALS directory as a Native American because she hoped to “meet others like me.” This well-educated, highly paid, much-honored (she was a consumer protection adviser to President Obama) member of America’s upper 1 percent went looking for people “who are like I am” among Native Americans?

This makes perfect sense to a liberal subscriber to the central superstition of the diversity industry, which is the premise of identity politics: Personhood is distilled not to the content of character but only to race, ethnicity, gender or sexual preference.

This controversy has discombobulated liberalism’s crusade to restore Democratic possession of the Senate seat the party won in 1952 with John Kennedy and held until 2010, when Brown captured it after Ted Kennedy’s death. Lofty thinkers and exasperated liberals consider the focus on Warren’s fanciful ancestry a distraction from serious stuff. (Such as The Washington Post’s nearly 5,500-word wallow in teenage Mitt Romney’s prep school comportment?) But Warren’s adult dabbling in identity politics is pertinent because it is, in all its silliness, applied liberalism.  

The New York Times Magazine’s headline on its profile of her — “Heaven Is a Place Called Elizabeth Warren” — suggests the chord she strikes with liberals. They resonate to identity politics of the sort Warren’s campaign tried when, on the defensive, it resorted, of course, to claiming victimhood. Playing the gender card, it insinuated that criticism of her adventures as a minority amounts to a sexist attack on an accomplished woman. But an accomplished woman, Susan Collins of Maine, the only Republican senator rated more liberal than Brown (who last year voted with his party only 54 percent of the time on partisan issues), called this insinuation “patently absurd.”

Barack Obama, who in 2008 carried Massachusetts by almost 800,000 votes, will win here again, and a senior official of Brown’s campaign thinks that in order to win Brown must run between 250,000 and 500,000 votes ahead of Romney. In the special election in January 2010, Brown defeated a female opponent (women are 53 percent of Massachusetts voters) by 107,317 votes. He won independents 2-1.

The turnout this November, with Obama on the ballot, probably will be larger, less white and more Democratic. But just 0.3 percent of Massachusetts residents are Native Americans, even counting Warren.

— George Will is a columnist for Washington Post Writers Group.    

Comments

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Warren is a fraud. She is also, however, quite representative of the liberal culture in academia, which is mired in political correctness and victimhood - especially when it comes in handy on a resume.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

You're not a roman philosopher either. She's more authentic than you.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Whether or not I'm a philosopher, could I claim to be 1/32 Roman and thereby land myself a cushy job at Penn or Harvard? Just curious.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

100% buffoon qualifies you for a Missouri University cushy job. Why don't you take it.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

If you mean Mizzou, it's never been called "Missouri University." Its name is the University of Missouri.

Perhaps you might want to learn that before calling anyone else a "buffoon."

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

Ok you got me. I was trying to avoid typing the word "of". It's your lack of coherent thinking that makes me conclude you're a buffoon, not you sentence structure...

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

So you were trying to avoid saying "Missouri of University?" Or was it "Of Missouri University?" Or perhaps "Missouri University of?"

Here's what you also said: "It's your lack of coherent thinking that makes me conclude you're a buffoon, not you (sic) sentence structure."

Do you have a high school diploma? Did you actually attend the University of Kansas? Were you one of those we read about who was placed in remedial English as a freshman? If so, it apparently didn't work.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 6 months ago

Oh, come on, having a username is hardly the same thing as lying to get into the college of your choice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 7 months ago

Man, the Republicans are really getting desperate over Warren.

Warren's "Cherokee ancestry" story, myth or not, is a common one in Oklahoma. The forced march of the Cherokees to Oklahoma, commonly known as the Trail of Tears, which was strikingly similar to the Bataan Death March by the Japanese during WWII, is what brought the Cherokees to Oklahoma (which is a Choctaw word that translates roughly to "Red People.) Records of birth and membership on tribal roles were non-existent for many decades, right into the twentieth century.

Perhaps Warren should have played it safe, and not made any claims based on her family lore. But as I noted above, the Republicans are really desperate that someone who will really put teeth into controls on the banks too big to fail, and the crap game known as Wall Strett, might get elected. They'd much rather have someone like Brown, who will do the best he can to water down regulations any chance he gets.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

C'mon, Bozo. Warren did this to herself, in essence impaling herself on her own PC sword.

You and your left-wing pals are whining simply because you thought you had an electable candidate and now you find that you may not be able to get Kennedy's seat back.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 7 months ago

She's still electable, and if the criminality is to be rooted out of the economic system, she needs to be elected.

Not that you care. Your only concern is that she has a D for party affiliation.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

You can only make fun of Cato. You can't persuade him with logic.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Making fun of Fauxcahontas is all the fun I need.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 6 months ago

Since when is making fun of someone using logic?.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Her only concern is that in truth she has no Cherokee affiliation.

imastinker 2 years, 7 months ago

At least quote it right.

" Rep. Connie O’Brien, a Tonganoxie Republican, was speaking in favor of rescinding the law when she recounted a story about a student she saw while enrolling her son at Kansas City Kansas Community College last year.

The female student was in line to pick up scholarship money but couldn’t provide a driver’s license or other government ID to the clerk, O’Brien recalled. Yet the woman said she had driven to the college that day.

“We could tell by looking at her that she was not originally from this country,” O’Brien said.

Another lawmaker asked O’Brien how she could tell the woman wasn’t a legal citizen.

O’Brien replied: “Well, she wasn’t black, she wasn’t Asian and she had the olive complexion.”

O’Brien then continued: “It struck me that she didn’t have a driver’s license (and) she’s driving on our streets. That’s illegal.”

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 6 months ago

High cheek bones, eh? Wouldn't that mean that most models are Cherokee? Did not know that.

57chevy 2 years, 7 months ago

For years, right-wing extremists denied jobs to people who were 1/16 african in descent, now they want to deny a job to someeone who celebrates her heterogeny by claiming to be part-indian. Give me a break. If we test all of our genes, we will find out that almost all of us, including Ms Warren are way more "heinz57" than we are anything else. There is a TV show now that does just that: showing black and white and other celebrities just how much of each others blood flows in their veins. How about we pick people for jobs based only on their qualifications. I'll vote for someone or against them based on their qualifications only, whether thay claim to be an Eskimo or not. Maybe when people concentrate on small insignifcant details we sould investigate why they are not interested in discussing important things like bank regulation and eonomic development?

Fossick 2 years, 7 months ago

"How about we pick people for jobs based only on their qualifications."

Seriously? If we actually did that, just imagine how many gene-counters in American academia would have to find jobs for which their skillset really applies*. If we actually hired people for jobs based only on their qualifications, there would have been zero need for Fauxcahontas to steal someone else's ancestry in the first place - the question would have never been asked - nor any reason for Harvard to claim a political correctness double-eagle for hiring her. With such common sense, you're getting dangerously near to "right-wing extremism" yourself. Welcome aboard.

  • "Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too."

pace 2 years, 7 months ago

Everyone in Oklahoma , my family included, have great stories, some true, some borrowed from a neighbor like a cup of sugar. My family thought our great Grandmother was an native American woman married to great Grandpa, with the marriage price of 6 pounds of tobacco. One researcher found she was probably 1/4, widowed, and owned more property than our great Grandpa. The radical right seem lost in wanting minorities, women, to agree with their own view, like blacks must join them against Obama because everyone knows blacks hate homosexuals. Old white guys telling everyone what they should stand for, never really listening. I stand for jobs, education and fair taxation.

Why do the radicals try to appear as seemingly caring, innocents, who just must keep harping on race, to protect the races, this spew from the right sounds like gunfire. If they really care, where are their numbers in the NAACP, in fights for protecting rights for minorities. If they care about respect, why didn't the tea parties refute, reject, the insulting signs out of their brotherhood's hands? Or at least turn their face against them. The Koch brothers aren't putting money down to defend the honor of native Americans. They use good expensive campaigns to buy their very own government reps. They own a lot of Congress and their dream is owning the senate.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 7 months ago

As long as we have benefits given to people who claim (victimhood, discrimination, past injustices, etc.), we will have people making that claim, whether true or not, whether damage was suffered or not.

Carol Bowen 2 years, 7 months ago

Much ado about nothing. I hear people proudly claiming Indian blood in their family history all the time. It cannot be disproved. In Oklahoma, it's very likely. The math works. The denominator has to be a power of two. 32=2^5.

JayhawkFan1985 2 years, 7 months ago

I don't think the denominator has to be divisible by 2. You can have an ancestor on more than one branch of your family tree. For example, your great grandfather could be the grandfather to both your parents. Then, there would be only three grandparents instead of four for that generation. Look at royal houses in Europe. You really don't want to climb those family trees. I'm sure it happened in small communities all the time too.

meggers 2 years, 7 months ago

If Will is shilling for Brown, that's a pretty good indicator that the race is tightening up.

I wonder how much money was spent on all of the opposition research to uncover this 'scandal'. If this is all they were able to come up with, Warren is in pretty good shape.

Orwell 2 years, 7 months ago

If Will ISN'T shilling for Brown it's evidence the earth has shifted off its axis.

This is Shiny Object 101 – make a big deal about a non-issue to divert attention from the fact that Brown is a 100% sellout. He's bought & paid for by the über-rich, just like Will, and their job is to help their paymasters take financial advantage of everyone else. They launch rabid, irrelevant attacks on Elizabeth Warren because she threatens their continued deck-stacking.

verity 2 years, 7 months ago

Will has to write a column every week, so he has to come up with some "kerfuffle." Just like the other columnists, he doesn't alway find something of substance.

Having once lived in Oklahoma, I know that people are proud of their Native American heritage, no matter how remote or questionable.

I've seen Elizabeth Warren interviewed a number of times and have always been impressed with her knowledge and willingness to speak to power.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 7 months ago

Elizabeth Warren = a monster fear for republicans and Wall Street banks

Elizabeth Warren Warns About Commercial Real Estate Crisis, 'Downward Spiral' For Small Businesses, Local Banks

Even as the economy shows signs of recovery, a government watchdog is warning that another financial crisis is coming round the bend -- and that the Treasury Department and financial regulators are not prepared to deal with it.

"There is a commercial real estate crisis on the horizon, and there are no easy solutions to the risks commercial real estate may pose to the financial system and the public," says a report issued Thursday by the Congressional Oversight Panel, the bailout watchdog led by Harvard Law professor and middle-class advocate Elizabeth Warren.

"The Panel is concerned that until Treasury and bank supervisors take coordinated action to address forthrightly and transparently the state of the commercial real estate markets -- and the potential impact that a breakdown in those markets could have on local communities, small businesses, and individuals -- the financial crisis will not end."

Over the next five years, about $1.4 trillion in commercial real estate loans will reach the end of their terms and require new financing. Nearly half are "underwater," meaning the borrower owes more than the property is worth. Commercial property values have fallen more than 40 percent nationally since their 2007 peak. Vacancy rates are up and rents are down, further driving down the value of these properties.

When the reckoning comes, it could threaten everyone from banks and pension funds to renters and small businesses -- and small banks could be particularly vulnerable.

Warren warned against government inaction.

"When commercial properties fail, the result is a downward spiral of economic contraction; job losses; deteriorating store fronts, office buildings and apartments; and the failure of the banks serving those communities," she said. "These are the same small banks that provide loans to the small businesses that create jobs and boost productivity. If hundreds more community banks go under the effect could be to dump sand in the gears of our economic recovery.

"We need to start now before the system is on the brink of collapse to work out a plan."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/11/commercial-real-estate-wa_n_458092.html

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Elizabeth Warren is indeed a monster, a monstrous fraud.

Richard Heckler 2 years, 7 months ago

Elizabeth Warren may well be the most popular person in Washington. When she was head of the Congressional Oversight Panel on TARP, her willingness to go after Wall Street, the Treasury Department, and the Fed made her a liberal icon. And her folksy, Midwestern air and her ability to express complex financial issues in simple language turned her into an unlikely media superstar.

Warren is now working to set up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new government agency inspired by her own work on consumer credit, and in the past couple of weeks almost a quarter of a million people have signed an online petition asking President Obama to nominate her as the official boss of the agency.

Yet Warren may also be the most hated person in Washington. The banking lobby sees her as its nemesis, congressional Republicans are openly hostile to her, and conservatives decry her as the exemplary “totalitarian liberal.” At this point, the only way Warren will run the C.F.P.B. is if President Obama makes her a recess appointment, and Senate Republicans have vowed to try to stop even that.

Given the intensely partisan nature of Washington these days, the demonization of Warren and the C.F.P.B. is all too predictable. But it’s profoundly misguided, because Warren is far from the anti-capitalist radical that her critics (and some of her supporters) suppose. Indeed, an empowered C.F.P.B. could actually be a boon to business.

The core principle of Warren’s work is also a cornerstone of economic theory: well-informed consumers make for vigorous competition and efficient markets. That idea is embodied in the design of the new agency, which focusses on improving the information that consumers get from banks and other financial institutions, so that they can do the kind of comparison shopping that makes the markets for other consumer products work so well. As things stand, many Americans are ill informed about financial products.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/06/13/110613ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz1vpStmsYj

Mike Ford 2 years, 7 months ago

Having already submitted a letter to the editor to the Boston Herald concerning this subject and the defense of Mrs. Warren a week ago I'd say it's nice that this subject actually appears where Indians are in this country. There are Wampanoags, Nipmucs, and Narragansetts around Boston but people like Mrs. Warren come from Kansas and Oklahoma. I work with unenrolled tribal descendants at my job along with enrolled tribal members. What shallow conservatives fail to realize is that White people created blood quantum to do away with Native Identity two centuries ago in Virginia concerning the Nottaway and Gingaskin peoples because they'd accepted African people into their communities. One should look at the original Blue Jacket of the Shawnee Nation who was taken captive on the Pennsylvania frontier in the late 18th century. This Shawnee captive's real last name was Von Swearengen and he later led the Shawnees against the Long Knives stealing their Ohio and Kentucky lands. He was White and yet culturally Shawnee. Blood quantum is an intellectually shallow invention of White science much like phrenology or eugenics....you know....all of that master race stuff. Anyway with ancestors who were primarily White with some Cherokee ancestry these people would've tried to pass back then. In spite of this Mrs. Warren has ancestry and at a 1/32nd she has a higher blood quantum than many citizens of the Five Civilized Tribes in this current day. Lineal descendancy means no regard for blood quantum as along as an ancestor is listed on the Dawes Rolls with roll number and blood quantum. Of course freedmen weren't given blood quantums by some white acting people with no regard for a person's cultural or community knowledge acting like the majority race. I just looked on Indianz.com and an article on an INDIAN website showed Mrs. Warren leading 47% TO 40% over Scott Brown. Gotta love it when dumb conservatives wonder into subjects that dull tools can't navigate and have their attempts implode in their face. What would a bunch of Indian hating republicans know anyway? why not ask Antonin Scalia, Mr. Thomas, or Mr. Roberts or the Indian hater that trained them....William Rehnquist?

KSWingman 2 years, 7 months ago

Would you feel the same if Scott Brown (R) had been caught with his hand in the entitlement cookie jar instead?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 7 months ago

Fauxcahontas saw a way to game the academic institutions that wanted to get some POCs on their rosters. She had a good run and probably kept some person who actually had native heritage from getting a job. (from .......... a .......... source)

jaywalker 2 years, 7 months ago

Stomach's too iffy to go through the rest of these comments other than the first few. Bozo's ridiculous attempt's at equivocation NOTwithstanding, there's no defending Warren's nor Harvard's nor anyone else's glorification of a dash of 'Injun' in her blood. It was cheap, convenient, and gratuitous. And a person of her wisdom should know better. Ms. Warren is incredibly accomplished and I have nothing but respect for her mind and what she's done with her life..........except for this. And 'this' has been pathetic.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 7 months ago

"Bozo's ridiculous attempt's at equivocation NOTwithstanding,"

That's a mouthful, and yet strains to have any meaning at all. Impressive.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 6 months ago

It's not as easy as it seems The world is big The sea is deep There is no rope There is no line We're specks of dust up in the sky There is no space There is no time There's only you and what we leave behind

And show me Show me how Show me Show me how Show me Show me who you are Show me Show me now

Mike Ford 2 years, 7 months ago

let's see.....Ben Nighthorse Campbell....Cheyenne....not enrolled.....Oklahoma politician Robert Owens from Virginia was non enrolled Cherokee.... former OU basketball coach Kelvin Sampson from non federally recognized Lumbee tribe in North Carolina.....Winston Churchill was Mohawk through Canadian female ancestor and non enrolled......Brett Farve 1/4 Mississippi Choctaw....Mississippi Choctaws require 1/2 to enroll tribally......people from state tribes go to Dartmouth and Harvard all of the time....Dartmouth was originally an Indian school. N. Bruce Duthu, a Houma professor from a state tribe in Louisiana, graduated from Dartmouth. Some of the indigenous students at KU are descendants without tribal enrollment. Falsehope....White people are responsible for sorting out people by genetics. Phrenology and Eugenics were scientific areas of study created by white scientists in the late 19th and early 20th century to justify scientifically the racist views white people had of other races. Measure a skull find it smaller and justify racism. It was actually done back then by racist white scientists. Blood quantum done by White people to create paper genocide. Falsehope be proud of your culture's treatment of others. Like Brownback you need to own it.

Fossick 2 years, 7 months ago

"It was actually done back then by racist white scientists."

Racist white wannabe-scientist progressives: "Less well known is that a crude eugenic sorting of groups into deserving and undeserving classes crucially informed the labor and immigration reform that is the hallmark of the Progressive Era... (from a source) http://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/papers/retrospectives.pdf

Just sayin'.

jaywalker 2 years, 7 months ago

"White people are responsible for sorting out people by genetics"........

...........excepting tousch and the entire first half of his post that included the above gem. Brilliant.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Since "delta bravo" means "douchebag," your desire to call me that obviously exhibits a sophomoric lack of maturity, and certainly the lack of any semblance of intellect. It also unmistakably qualifies you to be the terminally misguided left-wing poster that you are.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

No, it's a delta bravo post from an individual who has previously demanded that I never respond again to any of his posts, but continues hypocritically to respond to mine.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

Sad that you, Vertigo, don't have a thick enough skin to tolerate my responses to your inane posts.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

As Ronaldus Magnus said, "There you go again." Having repeatedly demanded that I not respond to any of your posts, you not only continue to respond to mine but even accuse me of prevarication.

As far as truth and lies are concerned, you don't know the difference.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 7 months ago

FHNC gets it just fine, but you obviously don't.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 7 months ago

You can sit in a tree and hoot. That doesn't make you an owl.

tomatogrower 2 years, 7 months ago

Warren was never a registered member of the Cherokee tribe, and her ancestry probably went back too far to even be considered a registered member. Her ancestor that was possibly Cherokee could have been trying to pass. Don't forget the rampant racism that existed back then. The terms Black Irish or Black Dutch came from people who were either indigenous or part African American who was trying to escape the persecution. Many Cherokees who had become land owners and were living amongst the white settlers were afraid they were going to be forced to move West, so they denied their Cherokee heritage to protect themselves. She never received any benefits from her claims or tried to become a registered member of the tribe. She may very well be part amerindian, but so what? Does this disqualify her? Hopefully she will take one of the DNA heritage tests. I would love it if it came out positive. But I forget, conservatives don't believe in science and facts, so it would prove nothing to them.

This genealogy site explains why people called themselves black Dutch or black Irish. http://www.manataka.org/page17.html#So%20They%20Say%20You%20Are%20Black%20Dutch

tomatogrower 2 years, 7 months ago

Usual dribble non response. And your mind seems to be going. You have to leave the bunker sometime, dude.

Armstrong 2 years, 7 months ago

intellectual liberals ? - didn't know such a thing existed

KSWingman 2 years, 7 months ago

You're working very hard to make excuses for Princess Fauxahontas. "Her ancestry probably went back too far", "ancestor...trying to pass", "they denied their Cherokee heritage to protect themselves".

The funniest part is this: "conservatives don't believe in science and facts".

Fact: you have no evidence to support your defense of Elizabeth Warren. Fact: No evidence has been introduced that Elizabeth Warren has Indian ancestry. Fact: Her story about the origin of her claim of Indian ancestry has changed at least twice in the past 30 days, from family members with high cheekbones- a racist position, by the way, to a non-existent application for marriage license, to tales told to her while sitting on her grandma's knee- thought to be an unassailable position, "don't diss my grandma!" .

Additional fact: Because she has a (D) behind her name, you and Tushy give her a pass you wouldn't give her Republican opponent.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 6 months ago

No, black Irish are those that have black hair instead the more usual red. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin or racial heritage. Walt Disney made some movies long ago staring an actor from Ireland with black hair and blue eyes, cannot remember his name. He made a few movies with other studios as well.

booyalab 2 years, 7 months ago

If she was a conservative.....well, then no one would know she was 1/32 Cherokee because she would have a shred of sanity.

camper 2 years, 7 months ago

Did anyone else have trouble deciphering Will's 1st sentence?

Maybe it is too late and I just need to wake up tommorow morning and give it another crack. This guy just might be able to get a good gig with the CIA or pentagon transmitting messages. He would not even need to scramble his code. He could just write like normal. Nobody would understand him. His code is already scrambled.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Warren now admits that she represented to Harvard and Penn that she was of Native American ancestry, for which she has still offered no proof:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/05/31/elizabeth_warren_acknowledges_telling_harvard_penn_of_native_american_status/

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Boy, you Repugs really are desperate over the possibility that Brownie might lose this. And we know that for you it's simply because she has a D after her name, and she ain't gonna kiss Wall Street Ass.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

No, the point is that Warren is one more utterly shameful example of the PC culture in academia that hypocritically allows those who wish to dissemble to do so and thereby obtain advancement with impunity.

It's precisely why Barack Obama hasn't allowed the release of his college transcripts.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

"Blah, blah, blah" is a cliche response on forums like this, but your post is a perfect example of "blah, blah, blah, I don't have anything substantive to say, so I'll just parrot the mindless echo chamber that does all my pseudo-thinking for me."

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Warren is one more utterly shameful example of the PC culture in academia that hypocritically allows those who wish to dissemble to do so and thereby obtain advancement with impunity.

It's precisely why Barack Obama hasn't allowed the release of his college transcripts.

That's about as substantive as it gets, Bozo. If your mindless echo chamber can't get that, it's not my fault.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Blah, blah, blah, and more blah, blah blah.

As if the only reason Warren is where she is is because she happened to repeat family lore, verified or not.

But when the lily-white wannabes you support claim to be descendants of the Pilgrims, it's OK if they whitewash how greedy and bloodthirsty it turns out they were.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't hate anyone, much less anyone who's been dead for several centuries. But at least I'm capable of seeing them for what they really were, rather than believing the fairy tale you still cling to.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, right, you don't hate them. As white, deeply religious, industrious Europeans whose offspring successfully colonized America, you don't hate them.

You might as well claim to be voting for Romney in November.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Bozo, you've employed that phrase so many times that I have to conclude that you're attempting to entice me into saying something politically incorrect.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

You embarrass yourself all by yourself, all the time. You don't need my help.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Do I detect a more acerbic tone to your posts that's become directly proportional to all of the bad news for Obama that's been piling up around him daily?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

I didn't vote for Obama last election, likely won't this election.

Do I detect the same simplistic partisanship that pervades your each and every post?

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

Bozo, did you vote for Nader in 2000 and thereby assist in allowing GWB to win Florida? If so, many thanks.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

C'mon, Bozo, provide a responsive answer. Did you vote for Nader in 2000?

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

If Nader hadn't run, Gore would have won Florida and thereby the presidency.

I know you know that, genius.

So, did you vote for Nader in 2000? Did you vote at all?

For that matter, have you ever voted in a national election?

cato_the_elder 2 years, 6 months ago

No "obsession" at all, friend. I merely asked you a question that you haven't answered. If you clearly state that you refuse to answer, then that's another story.

sourpuss 2 years, 6 months ago

I fail to see why any of this matters. Vote for her based on her positions on relevant issues. Simple. This applies to all candidates on both sides.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 6 months ago

Well, that's the trouble. If we all voted on relevant issues, the corrupt and morally bankrupt Republicans don't have anything much to offer.

Mike Ford 2 years, 6 months ago

I called the Brownback office a month or so ago to complain about a smoke shop raid north of Topeka. The Brownback staffer I let have it claimed to have Blackfoot ancestry. FYI to the nahollos here....there is one Blackfeet Nation in Montana related to the Piegan and Blood Nations on both sides of the US-Canadian border that's federally recognized. Blackfoot is a generic term for unrecognized Siouan people who stayed in Virginia, West Virginia, and the Carolinas. Not federally recognized. And yet claims to speak for the Brownback Administration when I called 1 800 748 4408 or constituency services. Brownback has a pretendian working for him. deal with it.....

Mike Ford 2 years, 6 months ago

dumb anti intellectual conservatives bash mrs. warren right false????

Flap Doodle 2 years, 6 months ago

Commas can be your friends, tuschie. ( .......... from .......... a .......... source ..........)

Mike Ford 2 years, 6 months ago

denying reality like a troll is your friend.

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