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Occupy Wall Street vs. the tea party

October 13, 2011

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— The tea party’s splendid successes, which have altered the nation’s political vocabulary and agenda, have inspired a countermovement — Occupy Wall Street. Conservatives should rejoice and wish for it long life, abundant publicity and sufficient organization to endorse congressional candidates deemed worthy. All Democrats eager for OWS’ imprimatur, step forward.

In scale, OWS’ demonstrations-cum-encampments are to tea party events as Pittsburg, Kan., is to Pittsburgh, Pa. So far, probably fewer people have participated in all of them combined than attended just one tea party rally, that of Sept. 12, 2009, on the Washington Mall. In comportment, OWS is to the tea party as Lady Gaga is to Lord Chesterfield: Blocking the Brooklyn Bridge was not persuasion modeled on tea party tactics.

Still, OWS’ defenders correctly say it represents progressivism’s spirit and intellect. Because it embraces spontaneity and deplores elitism, it eschews deliberation and leadership. Hence its agenda, beyond eliminating one of the seven deadly sins (avarice), is opaque. Its meta-theory is, however, clear: Washington is grotesquely corrupt and insufficiently powerful.

Unfortunately for OWS, big government’s scandal du jour, the Obama administration’s Solyndra episode of crony capitalism, does not validate progressivism’s indignation, it refutes progressivism’s aspiration, which is for more minute government supervision of society. Solyndra got to the government trough with the help of a former bundler of Obama campaign contributions who was an Energy Department bureaucrat helping to dispense taxpayers’ money to politically favored companies. His wife’s law firm represented Solyndra. But, then, government of the sort progressives demand — supposed “experts,” wiser than the market, allocating wealth and opportunity by supposedly disinterested decisions — is not just susceptible to corruption, it is corruption. It is political favoritism with a clean (even green) conscience.  

Demands posted in OWS’ name include a “guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment”; a $20-an-hour minimum wage (above the $16 entry wage the United Auto Workers just negotiated with GM); ending “the fossil fuel economy”; “open borders” so “anyone can travel anywhere to work and live”; $1 trillion for infrastructure; $1 trillion for “ecological restoration” (e.g., re-establishing “the natural flow of river systems”); “free college education.”

And forgiveness of “all debt on the entire planet period.” Progressivism’s battle cry is: “Mulligan!” It demands the ultimate entitlement — emancipation from the ruinous results of all prior claims of entitlement.  

Imitation is the sincerest form of progressivism because nostalgia motivates progressives, not conservatives. Tea Party Envy is leavened by Woodstock Envy — note the drum circles at the Manhattan site — which is a facet of Sixties Envy. Hence conservatives should be rejoicing.

From 1965 through 1968, the left found its voice and style in consciousness-raising demonstrations and disruptions. In November 1968, the nation, its consciousness raised, elected Richard Nixon president and gave 56.9 percent of the popular vote to Nixon or George Wallace. Republicans won four of the next five presidential elections.

Perhaps things will go better for progressives this time. Barack Obama feels their pain — understands their “frustration.” America’s median income has declined even faster since the recovery began three Junes ago than it did during the recession, students are graduating into a jobless “recovery,” African-Americans and Hispanics have unemployment rates of 16 and 11.3 percent, respectively, but Obama is on the case: He wants corporate jets to be taxed more. OWS must still, however, raise the consciousnesses of backsliding congressional Democrats who have decided that, unlike the president, they do not believe that “the rich” begin at household incomes of $250,000.  

Tahrir Square Envy also motivates America’s Progressive Autumn, the left’s emulation of the Arab Spring. Of course, some lagoons of advanced thinking, such as Montgomery County, Md. — it is a government workers’ dormitory contiguous to Washington — were progressive before OWS’ drum(circle)beat became progressivism’s pulse. The Montgomery County town of Takoma Park is a “nuclear-free zone,” meaning it has no truck with nuclear weapons.

Responding to peace activists, some Montgomery County Council members sponsored a resolution to instruct Congress to slash defense spending. The idea died when Virginia began inviting the county’s second-largest private-sector employer, Lockheed Martin, to move across the Potomac. To OWS, this proves the power of the plutocracy. To the tea party, it proves the virtue of federalism.

As Mark Twain said, difference of opinion is what makes a horse race. It is also what makes elections necessary and entertaining. So: OWS versus the tea party. Republicans generally support the latter. Do Democrats generally support the former? Let’s find out. Let’s vote.

George Will is a columnist for the Washington Post Writers Group. His email address is georgewill@washpost.com.

Comments

jaywalker 3 years, 10 months ago

"And forgiveness of “all debt on the entire planet period.” Progressivism’s battle cry is: “Mulligan!” It demands the ultimate entitlement — emancipation from the ruinous results of all prior claims of entitlement."

Accurate or not, "Mulligan!" brought coffee to my nose. Good a.m chortle.

Speaking of funny and on this topic, did anyone catch "The Daily Show" with Hugh Jackman last week? Couldn't stop laughing when Stewart played a clip of Hannity supposedly backing the OWS movement, only to discover the clip was from '09 and he was talking Tea Party. His opinion of OWS was actually that they were "against freedom." Hilarious hypocrisy!

To all who don't realize, 'The Daily Show' is definitely worth taping. Almost always hysterical and with excellent guests, particularly the authors.

Random56 3 years, 10 months ago

Taking stuff out of context is always hillarious, and worth taping! If you like liberal spin with little to no news.

Getaroom 3 years, 10 months ago

It was never supposed to be a "news" program, what planet did you come from anyway? If you don't like it and it makes your blood pressure go up move on back over to Faux News for your conservative lie machine tranquilizer and doze.

jaywalker 3 years, 10 months ago

The show's a brilliant, tongue in cheek farce, Random. Comedy. Show.

cato_the_elder 3 years, 10 months ago

Many of these "protestors" on Wall Street are spoiled rich kids who attend some of the the most prestigious prep schools, colleges, and universities in the country. They apparently enjoy protesting against their own parents, a direct parallel with the hippie protests of the late '60s and early '70s, which proved to be hard cheese indeed for Democrats at the polls in 1968 and 1972.

By the way, when are these immature loons going to protest at the homes of all of the filthy rich limousine liberals in Hollywood?

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

This from the fool who said "The notion that the Bush administration is responsible for the state of our economy when Obama took over is the biggest lie promulgated by the Hard Left in my lifetime."

cato_the_elder 3 years, 10 months ago

And this from Jimo the Marxist fool who said, "The only feudalism we have in America is the concentration of the nation's wealth in the hands of a few."

lunacydetector 3 years, 10 months ago

the difference between occupy wall street and the tea party?

the tea party is real grass-roots.

occupy wall street is a concoction organized by the left to appear grass-roots.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 10 months ago

OWS in some circles are being called "The Fleabaggers" as they are generally unbathed and really don't have any desire to work.

somedude20 3 years, 10 months ago

he wrote that phrase other day on the LJW so I am sure he will source that

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 10 months ago

And you know this for a fact? Maybe I should start worshiping the ground you walk on.

jaywalker 3 years, 10 months ago

"In the meantime, stop hating on your fellow Americans....pinheads."

Aah. The hypocritical voice of reason.

Random56 3 years, 10 months ago

I thought the protestors are the ones turning against fellow Americans, just because someone has done well for them self doesn't mean they are evil or greedy. I am nowhere near rich but I would stick up for rich when they are unfairly demonized by people who don't want to work or just think that they don't get enough from the rich.

ENGWOOD 3 years, 10 months ago

OWS whiners supported by the Obama, Soros, Hoffa Union Mafia thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I think both groups are an expression of the various frustrations many Americans have with our political and economic situation right now.

The T-Party focuses on the lack of fiscal soundness in Washington, while the OWS group is more upset about the actions of corporations, banks, etc. and their ability to get bailed out by Washington.

I'd say that all of these things are worth paying attention to, and that there's no good reason to pit these groups against each other.

And, both groups are composed of a variety of people, some intelligent and articulate, and others less so - both groups had a diffuse focus at their inception, and will probably come together more as they continue, etc.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

"The T-Party focuses on the lack of fiscal soundness in Washington"

Except the Partiers proposals make Washington's fiscal situation even more unsound.

There's not a mainstream economist (including those who served in GOP administrations) who doesn't agree that cutting spending now hurts growth and causes unemployment to rise (which in turn hurts growth even more).

Nor is there any respectable economist who claims that cutting taxes further -- a key Partier demand -- won't cause an even larger budget deficit. Indeed, the House 2012 budget makes a point of cutting spending in order to provide for more tax cuts ... not for reducing the deficit.

"the OWS group is more upset about the actions of corporations"

Or perhaps they just realize that the political system is itself corrupt beyond redemption. Polling shows something like 70-80% of Americans want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Polling shows something like 60-75% of Americans support Obama's jobs bill. Dozens and dozens of polls stretching back for many months.

Results in DC: no friggen way either can pass Congress. You hardly have to be some hippie to realize that money has utterly corrupted the Congress. Our constitutional system has gone from being passively hostile to democracy to active antagonism of it.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree that those specific proposals may be incorrect, but I think they're right in pointing out that neither mainstream party has managed to run a balanced budget for many years (pace Clinton), and that it's a good idea to not run up huge budget deficits each year, and a large national debt.

And, I think it's a good idea to take that information to heart, and work towards a solution.

Also, I agree with the rest of your post - our system has become quite corrupted by money.

tbaker 3 years, 10 months ago

Do the math, raising taxes on the so-called wealthy is a drop in the ocean compared to the deficit. It's political theater which at it's very best will do nothing to solve out-of-control government, but will more than likely visit insult upon injury to aready suffering Americans by making the economy even worse. The "spend more" (money we do not have) approach has clearly failed and with it the favors and power all that money bought. Cutting the size and scope of government is the only rational solution.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

We need a combination of increased revenue and decreased spending to balance the budget.

Last time we had that (under Clinton, and the only time in 30-40 years), revenue and spending were both about 18% of GDP. Currently revenue is low at about 14% and spending is high at about 24%.

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, here's the funny part. If some of the truly oddball stuff, like protestors claiming the Jews control Wall Street, or calling for French Revolution-style bloodshed* had been done by Tea Party people, there would have been no end to the Sunday Morning shows playing the tapes over and over, and shaking their heads and pretending to worry about it. They would have done as they did for the one or two racists they managed to find - paint the whole movement with that brush. But they're not doing that for the OWS people. The question is, why not?

Most conservatives would argue, I suppose, that the legacy media is on cahoots with the protestors, secretly agrees with them, or is in some way working to advance the protestors' aims. I think in this line of thinking they are exactly wrong.

What is really going on is that the media realizes these people are simply moonbats. They are not taken seriously because they are not serious people. Yes, that they are sleeping in a park is interesting, that is why the stories are being covered. But that does not make them important.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"If some of the truly oddball stuff, like protestors claiming the Jews control Wall Street, or calling for French Revolution-style bloodshed* had been done by Tea Party people,"

There are a few oddballs calling for odd things, such as these, but you're just another conservative freaking out about this movement, looking for any way you can to discredit it, even if it requires implying that a few oddballs are what define this movement, and they aren't.

BTW, xenophobia and even outright racism most certainly are defining characteristics of a large percentage of self-identified tea partiers. And I expect that's why right-wingers want so badly to paint OWS as some sort of mirror image.

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not even a conservative, much less freaking out. In fact, I'm laughing by arse off as I always do when observing inarticulate and infantile rage.

Why do you think I hang out here?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"In fact, I'm laughing by arse off as I always do when observing inarticulate and infantile rage."

It's one thing to do that-- it's wholly another thing to view a couple of oddballs and try to paint everyone involved as an oddball.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Sadly, racism and xenophobia are still very much alive in this country.

That's not to say that everyone who aligns themselves with the tea party can be described as racist or xenophobic. But to a large extent, the tea party phenomenon is a creation of Fox News, and they have a long history of playing the race card to whip up their viewership.

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

Yes, a few people gawk at my wife when she takes our daughters shopping. A century ago a white woman with black children might have resulted in someone being lynched by the entire white population of the town and no one would have been prosecuted.

Racism is still 'very much alive' in the same way small pox is. Dangerous, virulent, historically prone to outbreak. And not remotely the problem it has been in the past.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

It's not the same problem-- but it's still a problem.

And with small pox, you're either infected, or you're not. So the comparison is not particularly apt.

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

"It's not the same problem-- but it's still a problem. "

It's not the same problem, it's not even the same kind of problem, but some people still act like it is. Just the fact that racism is considered a problem is proof that it is, as a political force, finished. Racism is so finished that you can destroy the public's perception of an entire political movement by whispering the accusation. Not that anyone would use such an underhanded tactic, of course.

A century ago racism was science, today you will not find a single major candidate in any party who would not be completely and forever destroyed if he said the N word publicly*. Just praising someone who was well within the American mainstream of thought 60 years ago is enough to destroy you (remember Trent Lott?).

Yes, there are still racists - the "whispered joke at the water cooler racists" and the "must have lost your resume" racists - I didn't give me daughters new names for nothing. But the fact that we have moved from this: http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/2001/06/lynching/images/frontpage_big.jpg to this: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-21/justice/justice_texas-dragging-death-execution_1_lawrence-russell-brewer-john-william-king-shawn-berry is proof to me that those who still treat racism as a serious societal problem usually have other reasons than it being a societal problem for doing so.

  • references on request. But I warn you, I'm a trained historian. I've got plenty. ** Except Robert Byrd, and he's dead.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

It was pretty bad to start with, with slavery and all.

So, even if it's a lot better now, that doesn't mean it's gone, or irrelevant.

Windemere 3 years, 10 months ago

And what is the proof you have about your "xenophobia" and "racism" claims?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

There have been a number of surveys of self-identfied teapartiers which indicate that it's a strong current within that group.

cthulhu_4_president 3 years, 10 months ago

Funny, I haven't heard any of those "demands posted in OWS name" that Will mentions from the OWS people, and I have a lot of people each posting 20 + items a day about the movement on my social media feeds, including some in New York. Forgive me if I don't trust you, Mr. Will, to tell me what their goals are in an unbiased way. I'll get it from the source, thank you. Everything I've read from them about the goals of the movement seems to suggest that their only main goal is to start a dialogue in our society about the issues of corporate involvement in government.

The hilarious overreactions to a little civil disobediance by Will, the talking heads (on both sides), and screeching commenters above only prove that it's working. They should all be very proud, because their screaming and whining has given the OWS movement more credibility than it ever could have gathered on it's own.

The Tea Party and OWS both exist because in this country we are allowed to assemble and voice our grievances if we are not happy about something. Period. I think it's awesome that we live in a country where both positions can exist and have a public presence, but the similarity ends there, and any further comparison is asanine, and is an obvious attempt at obfuscation. If someone wants to denigrate OWS because they're not 'grassroots' enough, well, that's a convenient way to keep from talking about the issues, isn't it?

Also, it seems a little ironic for the modern tea partiers to whine about the civil disobediance associated with this movement. What, exactly, was the Tea Party (the original)? Didn't it show us that a little civil disobediance can go a long way? Seems a little hypocritical to me.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

The reactionary right seems to be in full panic mode.

I wandered past the Occupy Denver crowd at the state capital last week. Didn't stay long as I had business downtown but they seemed to me to be fairly close to what real Americans are like ... lower middle class, not country club members, most nowhere close to retirement age, disaffected from politics (not partisans trying to hide their spots).

The one unreported aspect of their movement? Anger at the baby boomers who have squandered the benefits of the wealthiest generation in the history of the world and now are eating the benefits that should be accruing to the younger generations of Gen Xers and Millennials.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

Aren't you friggen sick puppy.

Want to guess how many Iraq and Afghan vets I noticed in the crowd?

Oh, I forget -- in today's world only Republicans boo veterans, ignore their needs, and smirk under their breath: thanks for your service (loser!).

Just how many billions have the GOP masters made off these veterans?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Yet another conservative freaking out about Occupy Wall Street, et al., attempting furiously to pin as many straw men to it as they can conjure up.

But one thing is for certain-- it isn't a response to or imitation of the tea partiers.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the link.

How's the National Enquirer covering this thing?

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

I think they're still working on the John Edwards Love Child story. Unfortunately, when you have to go it alone it's a lot of work.

Andrew Reeves 3 years, 10 months ago

Please explain something to me...Does Wall St. pay Obama off (elections; something I hear everyday on the right)...Or...Is Obama taking on Wall St.? Which is it?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Don't you understand? Obama is both a tool of moneyed interests and a radical socialist bent on destroying the capitalist system.

If it's hard to hold those two ideas simultaneously, just keep trying - it seems to get easier over time.

Windemere 3 years, 10 months ago

A previous post said OWS and TP have nothing in common. Actually, significant numbers of those in each camp are against the corporate bailouts. I also see another difference based upon the reports I've seen on OWS. TP people seem to support specific policy changes or initiatives (e.g. concerning bailouts, immigration, etc.). From what I've seen of OWS, they think "the system is broken" and "the economy doesn't work for ordinary Americans" but very few mention specific goals or initiatives. Some give specifics, but vast majority of examples I've seen indicate few do so.

cthulhu_4_president 3 years, 10 months ago

"....., significant numbers of those in each camp are against the corporate bailouts. "

Good point.

And I'm not sure if you meant me as the 'previous post', but, if so, I wasn't trying to say that the two movement had nothing in common, but that an attempt to disparage one group by comparing to the other is intellectually dishonest, and a dodge of the issues at hand. I shouldn't have said "the similarity ends there" since, as you pointed out, it doesn't.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

I think the main difference is that the goal of the OWS "movement" (if it turns out to be one-- it isn't yet) is that their main purpose is to begin an honest dialogue over how we fix a badly broken political and economic system. And that's a debate that the two current political parties have proven themselves incapable of having.

And despite attempts by conservatives to align OWS with the Democratic Party, it's not-- certainly not in the same way the the tea party has essentially been co-opted by Fox News and the Republican Party from the very start.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 10 months ago

"gimme, gimme, gimme" vs "leave me alone"

cato_the_elder 3 years, 10 months ago

That says it all very succinctly. Great post.

verity 3 years, 10 months ago

What Autie said.

However, it would have helped if Mr Will had been coherent. Or maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet.

Blessed4x 3 years, 10 months ago

I will fight for either group to say what they will and organize the way that they would like. That's the American way. We are a society of malcontents that occasionally get so ticked off that we take to the streets. That's a great thing as long as it's done within the confines of decency and the law. I support the right of the OWS folks to make their position known, but I do not condone the stories of lawlessness and baseness that are coming out of the areas where the OWS members are protesting. And don't give me any nonsense about my definition of decency vs. yours. If you think defecating on police cars and urinating in the street are perfectly acceptable behaviors then I fear you and I will never see eye to eye. By all means, give voice to your opinion but please bear in mind that you have no right to act like an animal and it does nothing but harm to your cause.

kcgregory 3 years, 10 months ago

Conservative blogger James Sinclair wrote recently:

"The greatest threat to our economy is neither corporations nor the government. The greatest threat to our economy is both of them working together. There are currently two sizable coalitions of angry citizens that are almost on the same page about that, and they're too busy insulting each other to notice."

I could get behind either or both of the Tea Party and OWS if they actually were movements towards what they say they are movements towards. Instead, like most of you, they can not for the life of them get the two party system out of their heads. BOTH parties are corrupt and when you strip away the rhetoric they really stand for mostly the same things.

Also, I fully realize the right-wingers will claim Mr. Sinclair is no conservative. Save the whining on that one.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

As has been the trend for some while, Will moves from conservative pundit to cranky old reactionary.

Bottom Line:

OWS is 2x as popular as the Mad Tea Hatters and no amount of crap from Will or any other nattering nabob of negativism changes that.

http://swampland.time.com/full-results-of-oct-9-10-2011-time-poll/

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

"OWS is to the tea party as Lady Gaga is to Lord Chesterfield"

Was it Lord Chesterfield who said: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare"?

Perhaps Will's Lordship is among the misinformed Propaganda Channel sheep who think the President is un-American, or a Muslim, or the Anti-Christ, or 'just like' Hitler, Stalin, (fill in the blank)?

ROFL

There's stupid and then there's Tea Party stupid. Where OWS will end up isn't not yet knowable despite Will's desperate need to revisit his obsession with hippies.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I think you're making the same mistake with the T-Party that others are making with OWS.

You can find stupid people, inarticulate people, etc. in both groups, as well as more intelligent, articulate people in both.

Setting them against each other is a bad move too, as they are both upset about the combination of government and corporate influence we're dealing with right now.

I wonder what kind of difference they could make if they united together - maybe that's scaring some people, who feel the need to "divide and conquer".

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

Look, Tea Partiers talked a big game about ending corporate welfare and the corrupt Big Government // Big Business alliance. "But when it came down to it, what did Wall Street and corporate America ever have to fear from the Tea Party? Lower corporate taxes and regulatory rollback? Seriously?" -- conservative Washington Times columnist Scott Galupo.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/scott-galupo/2011/10/13/the-tea-party-was-just-a-giant-temper-tantrum

(You know you've overstayed your welcome when wingnut columunist at Moonie newspapers open a can of whupass on you.)

Mistaken about the Tea Party? No, I'd say I'm right about them. A total zero on reform. Literally, AWOL on the issues that matter to Americans.

What did the Tea Party controlled House of Representatives do today? Debate a jobs bill? Nope. They spent the day pushing an abortion bill that allows hospitals to kill women by inaction if the "culture of life" hospital doesn't want to perform an abortion. This proposal (a) has no chance of passing the Senate, (b) no chance of being signed by the President, (c) no chance of a Congressional veto override, and--even if it surprises on all these points--(d) no chance of not being struck down by the court. Yet, virtually every Republican supported the bill: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/187391-house-advances-controversial-abortion-bill

Way to go Partiers! More worthless than a void.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Dismiss them if you like.

I'm not interested in doing that.

This game of "my side is right, yours is wrong" is one of the problems these days in politics.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

Neither of them are my "side."

And I haven't so much dismissed them as they've just dismissed themselves - a case study in how legitimate movements become co-opted by their critics. If the original Tea Party was as pathetic as these fools, we'd be licking stamps with the Queen's portrait.

jaywalker 3 years, 10 months ago

Bozo giveth: "There are a few oddballs calling for odd things... but you're just another conservative freaking out about this movement, looking for any way you can to discredit it, even if it requires implying that a few oddballs are what define this movement, and they aren't.

And Bozo resembles his own remark: "BTW, xenophobia and even outright racism most certainly are defining characteristics of a large percentage of self-identified tea partiers."

B E A uuuu T ful!

Richard Payton 3 years, 10 months ago

George Soro's number 7 on Forbes richest list and he might be the secret funding machine for OWS. No I didn't receive the information from Fox News as liberals refer to faux news. Got my information from reuters this morning.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

If you read the information, you'll find that the link is rather tenuous indeed.

He gives money regularly to the Tides foundation, which gives money to a wide variety of liberal organizations, including Ad-busters.

It's analogous to somebody giving money to the United Way, which then funds a variety of causes.

So, there's nothing secret about it - also, the amounts of money he gave to Tides is huge, compared with the amount of money Tides gives to Ad-busters.

jonas_opines 3 years, 10 months ago

I would never have expected a column about both OWS and the Tea Party to bring out the frothing 5%ers in such numbers. . . . .

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Windemere 3 years, 10 months ago

Sad to see each side of this debate engaging in anti-intellectual mud-slinging and name-calling (racists, xenophobes, drug addicts, sexual offenders...). Of course there are kooks on either side of these "movements." Focusing on what they advocate (or what the majority of them advocate) is so much more interesting and productive.

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

ows people are smarter...that's the difference...I haven't seen any ows people show up wearing mustaches like adult movie stars and having holsters and AR 15's in tote looking like castoffs from the squidbillies...don't compare the diplomas to the double wides....

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

that's funny born again immigrant....I read three blogs from Native American people at different ows sites nationwide talking about how corporations have always leaned on the federal government to steal lands from tribes for them... gee....is your stereotype off base????

Andrew Reeves 3 years, 10 months ago

Please explain something to me...Does Wall St. pay Obama off (elections; something I hear everyday on the right)...Or...Is Obama taking on Wall St.? Which is it?

camper 3 years, 10 months ago

"All Democrats eager for OWS’ imprimatur, step forward. "

Now that I have learned what the word imprimatur means, I'm ready to go on to the next paragraph. I figure it will be several months before I can make my way thru the rest of Will's piece. I doubt this will still be on the blog list so I guess I must hold my comments.

Mike Ford 3 years, 10 months ago

shame on me for telling the truth about you.....now use your circular arguement to change the subject.....

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