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Birther debate has racist undercurrent

March 31, 2011

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Donald Trump doesn’t like “birthers.” He calls the word “unfair” to people who don’t believe President Obama was born in the USA.

Very well, then. If not birthers, how about if we call them “morons”? How about “jackasses,” “imbeciles,” “idiots” or “doofuses?” How about “pinheads” — or would that require a royalty to Bill O’Reilly?

I’m sorry, dear reader. Forgive me. Generally speaking, I am not much for name-calling.

It lowers the level of discourse, it forestalls thoughtful response and it does not suggest an excess of class. Where the birthers are concerned, however, the level of discourse is already lower than Neptune’s basement, a thoughtful response is about as likely as Miami snow on the Fourth of July, and I will just have to chance the loss of class.

As mama used to say, enough is enough and too much stinks.

A 2010 CBS News/New York Times poll found that 20 percent of all Americans and 30 PERCENT of tea partiers believe the president was not born here. In recent days, Trump, the reality show impresario and human punch line who’s been threatening to run for president, has added himself to their number. For that, he drew a sharp rebuke from Whoopi Goldberg on “The View.” When, she demanded, has any white president ever been asked to show his birth certificate?

Let the church say amen. So it is time to call this birther nonsense what it is — not just claptrap, but profoundly racist claptrap.

And, with apologies to the late James Brown, please, please, PLEASE, anyone who is so inclined: spare me the emails where you soliloquize like Hamlet, the back of your hand pressed to your forehead, eyes turned heavenward, as you moan how it is impossible to criticize this president without being accused of racism.

Criticize him to your heart’s content. Give him hell over Libya. Blast him about Guantanamo. Knock him silly on health-care reform. He is the president; taking abuse is part of his job description.

But this ongoing birther garbage, like the ongoing controversy about his supposed secret Muslim identity — is not about criticism. It is not about what he has done but, rather, what he is.

Like “state’s rights,” these controversies are a code, a dog whistle for those with ears to hear. They provide euphemistic cover for those who want to express alarm over the raw newness of him, the sweeping demographic changes he represents (“He’s black! Oh, my God, they’ve got the presidency now!”) without appearing uncouth enough to do so.

Memo to the morons: It doesn’t work, folks. Nobody is fooled. You are about as subtle as Lady Gaga.

It is telling that the white candidate who was, in fact, NOT born in the USA (Sen. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, if anyone is interested) did not face these questions, while the black one who was born in Hawaii has been unable to escape them.

This, even though Obama provided his birth certificate and its authenticity has repeatedly been vouched for by Hawaiian officials.

This, even though, if there were the slightest chance he was ineligible for the presidency, opposition researchers working for his opponents would have shredded him like an old bank statement.

This, even though his Aug. 4, 1961, birth was noted by contemporaneous (memo to the morons: that means it happened at the time) birth announcements in not one, but two Hawaii newspapers. What’d he do? Jump in a time machine, zip back to the ’60s and plant the notices?

Sorry. There I go getting snappish again. But it gets tiresome, you know?

Frankly, I wish Trump and his fellow birthers would just go ahead and call Obama an N-word. Yes, it would be reprehensible and offensive.

But it would be a damn sight more honest, too.

— Leonard Pitts Jr., winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, is a columnist for the Miami Herald. He chats with readers from noon to 1 p.m. CDT each Wednesday on www.MiamiHerald.com. His email is lpitts@miamiherald.com.

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 5 months ago

This will be a hot spot today. All the teabaggers and die hard conservatives wildly claiming they aren't racist. Along with proclaiming how many black "friends" they have.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

I truly wonder why LJW lets you, and others like you, get away with using the Vulgar Obscenity for people who orally manipulate a male's genitles in reference to Tea Party Movement members.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

So, this gives you and others like you the right to use a Vulgar Obscenity in print and on-line? How about that other well-known and closely related vulgarism, "c........rs". Would LJW print that and would you call your parents that, if they joined the Tea Party Movement? It is very obvious that the mostly over 40 Tea Party members had no knowledge of this slang term used by younger ill-mannered people.

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

No, Tom, it seems the right wing and their allies in the corporate media have trotted Donald Trump out to lay some more groundwork for their takeover and destruction of our form of government.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 5 months ago

OMG; LOL, you are too rich for words. This is EXACTLY why, even though you have posted racist things and bold faced lies, I never want you banned. You keep up the entertainment and do more damage for people who think like you than any lefty ever could. ROFLMFAO.

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

you are right, I admit I sometimes wish tom would just learn to read or something. but that was funny. It puts the desperate in desperate denial. I am worried that I will have to hear more about Trump's hair. I actually have a fear of accidentally reading comments or seeing pictures of "the' hair.

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grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

Really? You and Tom! When was the last time a white candidate was asked to show his birth certificate? Or the last time folks went on and on about it through his entire first term?Can I see yours?

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notanota 3 years, 5 months ago

Nobody asked for McCain's, and he really was born outside the US.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Not true. I asked to see that stone tablet.

(Sorry. Age-joke.)

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Majestic42 3 years, 5 months ago

Earth hadn't formed into solid stone when McCain was born. You'd have to carbon date him to get an accurate reading.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Funny!

Or we could cut him in half and count the rings.

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devobrun 3 years, 5 months ago

If nobody asked to see McCain's birth certificate, how do we know he was born outside the U.S.?

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Majestic42 3 years, 5 months ago

Better question: when DID they?

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Rich Noever 3 years, 5 months ago

First this goes to grammaddy, when was the last time a candidate's place of birth was questioned? To notanota, Johns McCain's father was on active duty so it makes no difference where his son was born. I see Obama's birthplace as no issue as there is documentation that he was born in Hawaii.

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

Even acknowledging that every single birther may not be racist, it can hardly be denied that mainstream republican candidates are now pandering to the racist and ignorant elements in our country via this media manufactured "controversy." That, in and of itself, is also appalling.

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aa469285 3 years, 5 months ago

Trump is not a mainstream candidate, as there are no mainstream candidates yet. We're too far out from the next election. And who else is "pandering" to the birthers? I haven't heard anyone else who's announced a run that agrees with Trump on this.

Gingrich? No. Huckabee? No. Romney? No. Pawlenty? No.

Who else?

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aa469285 3 years, 5 months ago

While he did say he was raised in Kenya, he later said he meant Indonesia which is correct. However, I will agree that he shouldn't have brought the issue up at all.

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Getaroom 3 years, 5 months ago

And you are from what planet? Oh! Ya, your living Texas. Pretty much answers any confusion about racism you might have. You are a perpetual Pitts hater anyway. Why do you even bother?

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grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

Tell 'em Leonard! at least be honest.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

This comment pre-removed for using a vulgar sexual term to describe the progressive movement.

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BigPrune 3 years, 5 months ago

If Obama was baptized when he was an infant, there would be a record of his birth.

The only racism is Pitts. He should stop beating around the bush and call all white people crackers.

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

Is baptism now to be a requirement of citizenship? I am sure there are many in the republican party who wish for such a development, but were not there yet. Your comment reveals your bias.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

BP go back to bed. And make sure you take your meds when you get up. There *is^ a record of his birth; in the state bureau of Vital Statistics in HI. My dad wasn't baptized until he was seven years old. My daughter was born in Lamar, MO and baptized 5 months later in KCMO. What does baptism have to do with "birth record"? What does it have to do with date and place of birth?

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aa469285 3 years, 5 months ago

No, Baptism is not a requirement for citizenship, but it is a requirement for becoming a Christian, which the President says he is. You can't get Baptised without a birth certificate. I doubt BP is a birther. In fact, he seems to be helping to make the case that the President was born in this country. Baptism=birth certificate=citizen. Why are you attacking him?

I think you, cait, should go back to bed and take your meds when you wake.

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ferrislives 3 years, 5 months ago

Are you saying that you must get baptized while you're an infant? If that's the case, then GWB and other born-again Christian's have some explaining to do.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 5 months ago

omg, what a maroon you are.

Not all Christians are baptised.

Not all baptisms in all churches require birth certificates.

Obama has presented his birth certificate, in fact the same type of birth certificate Bob Dole, Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan can present.

Anyone who holds on to this argument, if not racist, can clearly be called idiots.

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Larry Bauerle 3 years, 5 months ago

I was baptized at age 18. I didn't show a birth certificate. The God I worship doesn't care the nation of my citizenship.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

LOL! You can't get baptized without a birth certificate??? What planet are you from?

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grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

Exactly, a bunch of kids were baptized last weekend at the church most of my grandkids attend. Nobody was asked for a birth certificate.

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Betty Bartholomew 3 years, 5 months ago

Umm... No, a birth certificate is not required for being born again.

I was baptized in a Christian church at the age of nine and they didn't require a birth certificate.

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Majestic42 3 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, don't know what the OP was smokin.

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BigPrune 3 years, 5 months ago

Thank you aa469285. You had me pegged. I didn't think Obama was a Baptist, so there would be some sort of evidence in church records when he was baptized and where he was born listed- unless most Protestant churches don't take infant Baptism serious and don't require anything "for the record."

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Majestic42 3 years, 5 months ago

Pitts does indeed occasionally smack of racism, but you couldn't be more incorrect about baptism.

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RoeDapple 3 years, 5 months ago

I'll show you mine if you show me yours . . .

8-[

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

Jesse Jackson was never a serious contender to win the office of President. President Obama attained the office. As you noted above, two different situations cannot be assumed to support a single conclusion.

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somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

^ has tiger blood and warlock napalm! you sir are more than bi-winning!

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ignati5 3 years, 5 months ago

Two things wrong with LIberty_One's statement: 1. No "birther" statements were advanced against Jesse Jackson in 1988 2. If they had been, it would tend to reinforce the idea that "birther" arguments are made only against African-American candidates. By every measure of popularity and primary election success, Jesse should have been offered the Demo vice-presidential spot in 88. Although even the Demos were not ready for a black candidate then, the main reason he was overlooked was not because he was black, but because he was -uh- Jesse Jackson.

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fiddleback 3 years, 5 months ago

I hope you're kidding/trolling. You know he's half black/half white, right? And half black has long been considered enough(going back to the slavery era) to count someone as black. Your "logic" needs a heavy dose of historical context.

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bad_dog 3 years, 5 months ago

DB, your post sounds remarkably similar to comments made by HWSNBN...

Hmm.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Um Deacon, Pitts is an American, not an African.

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ignati5 3 years, 5 months ago

“Birther” accusations may have more to do with Obama’s exoticism than with his race per se. As a black man whose father was a foreign national and who spent some of his childhood abroad, Obama’s biography fits no pattern of people we would expect to be elected president. The only other “exotic” president we have had, in terms of coming to power from a completely different social and cultural milieu than his predecessors, was Andrew Jackson. Jackson was asked not for his birth certificate but his marriage license, or, more specifically, proof of his wife’s divorce from her earlier marriage. As these were frontier documents and could not be submitted to the satisfaction of his detractors, Jackson went through his presidency, and his poor wife to an early grave, under a cloud of suspected bigamy. There is also an element of the “do you beat your wife” libel at work here. On landing at the Sydney airport after a successful tour abroad with his wife, soprano Joan Sutherland, the conductor Richard Bonynge was asked by a reporter from an Australian scandal sheet, “Maestro, is it true you beat your wife?” Bonynge, whose marital behavior had never been questioned by his wife or anyone else, replied indignantly,”Of course not,” and moved on to the next question. Next day, the tabloids screamed with the headline “Conductor denies beating wife.”

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TheYetiSpeaks 3 years, 5 months ago

Mr. Trump, For the last half century or so it has been the media that has done the real vetting of candidates. There is so much information out there on past candidates. Even now, a little digging online will net you Bill Clinton, Al Gore and every other candidate's transcripts from the last election. So birthers, be mad at the media. A sitting President should not acquiesce to frivolous requests to see his birth certificate. It is unnecessary and to do so would damage his authority. Let it go, it no longer matters. Sour grapes. As for Mr. Pitts.....shame on you. The broad generalization to label all tea partiers or birthers as racists is no different than being racist yourself. The thinking process is exactly the same.

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aa469285 3 years, 5 months ago

I absolutely agree. And to put a finer point on it, I'm almost positive that there isn't anything that can be done about it anyway. Even if someone finds proof that he's not a citizen, it's not an impeachable offense. I don't know if he can prosecuted in a criminal court for fraud or not, but he can't be removed from the oval office. We the People made the mistake in electing a candidate that was not constitutionally allowable.

So....let it go.

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

That would get you Joe Biden. Is that what is desired?

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

And when you have presented the truth, what then? As it is, it just means more questions. The birthers are not a lot to be taken seriously.

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devobrun 3 years, 5 months ago

Yer right, bea, the birthers are not to be taken seriously. But maybe the constitution of the United States should be. If it can be shown that Obama was not legally qualified to be president, congress might have him removed.

You can bet there would be a serious constitutional battle. I think that anything that strengthens our constitution is a good thing. Especially if the constitution is strengthened at the expense of individual power. Obama is president, not king, emperor, potentate, or emir.

No man (or ethnic heritage) is above the law.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

The truth has been presented over and over, and you still don't believe it, so what now?

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devobrun 3 years, 5 months ago

Tomato, where do I go for the truth? Got a link? Got a reference? I'm open for insight.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

This was posted elsewhere, but thought it appropriate to put it here as well. Enjoy. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

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fiddleback 3 years, 5 months ago

For accuracy's sake, he labeled the 30% of tea partiers who doubt Obama's nationality racist, obviously not the whole movement. As for racist being an unfair generalization, yes, I can imagine some birthers as just extremely incensed by a young, lesser-known Democrat's election and willing to believe any nasty rumor. At a minimum, these folks are bitter partisans with weak and/or selective fact-checking skills, making them vulnerable to dumb conspiracy theories. Yes, trafficing in "racist claptrap" does not make them all racists, and Pitts did not say that. He just repeatedly called them morons based on their bitter gullibility. If you want to be mad about a generalization, that's the one he's making. But at least it's based on a truly unifying characteristic - what would you call the group of people who refuse to believe the earth orbits the sun?

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm sure that at the very least, we can all agree that Donald Trump is a buffoon.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

That should position him well in the upcoming campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

How many wives has Donald Trump had now? I can't recall. This ranks up there with Newt saying that his multiple marriages and affairs make him qualified to comment on the DOMA. The irony of these people never escapes me. At least they're good for amusement.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

In other current regime news: "President Obama finally and quietly accepted his “transparency” award from the open government community this week — in a closed, undisclosed meeting at the White House on Monday. The secret presentation happened almost two weeks after the White House inexplicably postponed the ceremony, which was expected to be open to the press pool. This time, Obama met quietly in the Oval Office with Gary Bass of OMB Watch, Tom Blanton of the National Security Archive, Danielle Brian of the Project on Government Oversight, Lucy Dalglish of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and Patrice McDermott of OpenTheGovernment.org, without disclosing the meeting on his public schedule or letting photographers or print reporters into the room..." http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0311/not_a_secret_anymore_a00ccd98-0d9e-4822-8936-168f3a51b959.html

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Get some new material, ag. Your business of copy/pasting my bits is tiresome.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

And yet your copy/pasting isn't at all tiresome. Really.

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devobrun 3 years, 5 months ago

You think TV ruined it? Wait until twitter, facebook, and whatever the newer versions thereof do to communications. As I go through my life today, people around me are locked into a face-down, fingers-tapping-on-tiny-machine mode of existence.

Another few decades and direct computer-human interface will be available with gigabit transfer speeds. People will be intellectual clones. The publicity battle will be complete. A candidate will be elected solely on the basis of bandwidth.

Rules, like the constitution, will be meaningless. All candidates will look and talk the same.

Don't believe me? Look at the discussion around here. It is about racism, and other stuff that is meaningless. Nobody has provided a link to some site that provides proof one way or another. No one seems to even care if the question of Obama's birthplace could be answered. Name-calling, spurious claims regarding John McClain.......posturing, and how many wives has The Donald.

Civilization is quickly transitioning toward received wisdom from the borg. It is all a version of Entertainment Tonight.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

No, it was Trump who was playing the racism card. Pitts merely called him on it.

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thebigspoon 3 years, 5 months ago

More importantly, what the hell diference does it make? Move on.

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grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

It makes NO difference. My kids are bi-racial. Since Obama was elected, if you ask them what race they are, they like to say "Presidential."

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rockchalker52 3 years, 5 months ago

Those kids are going places, be my guess. Best race answer ever!

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verity 3 years, 5 months ago

Now Trump is saying that Obama's birth certificate might say that he is Muslim. This is just getting better and better. Thanks for the entertainment everybody.

I don't really have an opinion on whether birthers are necessarily racist, but I can say with total assurance that they are completely stupid. And Trump, considering what he has said in the past, is shamelessly pandering. I for one am glad he is showing himself for what he is. Sure as the sun rises in the morning, I don't want him anywhere near the Oval Office.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 5 months ago

This is all a lot of midia hype and ink distribution. Trump has dug up this issue again to highlight his still=born and "ain't never gonna happen" candidacy for the tea-pot crowd. It is just another pander to the klan, nazi party, tea-bag crowd and republicans to try to horn in on a national issue, and is nothing but nonsense and drivel. He might have better luck going on the Limbaugh "network" to tout his stupidity.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Without getting into the race issue, isn't it possible that 30% of people who identify with the tea party just don't realize that Hawaii is a state?

I've seen this same race argument raised in the past by others, without sinking to the level of ridiculous name-calling. This is a poor column by Pitts.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 5 months ago

"isn't it possible that 30% of the people who identify with the tea party just don't realize that Hawaii is a state". Funny, I heard a stat. a few years ago that said 90% of high school seniors could not find Florida on a map. Florida, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Now Delaware I could forgive.
My point is that 30% might be low, but I would expand it beyond the tea party to the general population.

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Richard Payton 3 years, 5 months ago

Explicit requirements set forth in the United States Constitution to be President. Must be 35 years old. Only native born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.). Most live in the United States for 14 years to be President. John McCain was born abroad but meets the requirements since both parents were citizens of the U.S. Obama meets the requirements since he was born in Hawaii. Only if the birth certificate was altered or a fake then the birther issue might be valid.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

TO THIS: I truly wonder why LJW lets you, and others like you, get away with using the Vulgar Obscenity for people who orally manipulate a male's genitles in reference to Tea Party Movement members.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

I truly wonder why LJW lets you, and others like you, get away with using the Vulgar Obscenity for people who orally manipulate a male's genitles in reference to Tea Party Movement members.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

First of four allowed daily Senior Moments: genitals (spelling correction)

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

watch much fox? You are reaching for god knows what. Obama was born in Hawaii, Hawaii is a state, Obama is a citizen, Obama is the legally elected president. No his wife did not say Obama was not born in America. You are deceiving your self. Obama is a citizen, born in Hawaii, and is the legally elected President of the United States.

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Obama is a citizen, born in Hawaii, and is the legally elected President of the United States.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

justanotherface, don't let any facts get in your way. It is a fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. People who say he wasn't are not just morons, they are liars. This is not a matter of opinion or free speech. I'm sorry you did not learn the difference between fact and opinion when you were in school. Maybe you were one of those kids trying to be a hot shot instead of paying attention.

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mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

Sheeple - hello pot, meet kettle.
By believing this nonsense, you are following the tea party mentality. By the way, have YOU seen any birth certificates of ANY president? Didn't think so

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

I visited my home country of Scotland once. But I was born in the USA.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Well there go your chances of ever becoming President of Scotland!

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

justa, what do you make of two separate Hawaiian newspapers reporting Obama's birth back in 1961? Could the conspiracy have truly started back then? Have you actually read anything of real substance on this?

Sorry, I haven't seen the video and don't know the context, but if Michelle had said Obama was from Mars, that wouldn't actually make him a Martian.

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jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

It's great that you keep posting that link.

And, none of the skeptics ever seem to comment on it.

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barlowtl 3 years, 5 months ago

My grandparents were born in Ireland, my parents who were born in New York often mentioned Ireland as the home country. Most in this country have ancestors who were born in other countries & many refer with pride as that being their ancestral home or "home country" as they consider it a vital part of who they are. Are you ashamed of yours? I hope not as our diversity has always been our source of strength. May it always be so.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Pace said: "I am worried that I will have to hear more about Trump's hair. I actually have a fear of accidentally reading comments or seeing pictures of "the' hair."

You have to get a copy of the printed paper. The political cartoon on the op ed page was about Trump's hair maybe being from another country. Really funny.

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

darn you, and I was almost out of hair. I mean here.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

I'd be more interested in seeing the college transcripts of the Mope in Chief.

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ferrislives 3 years, 5 months ago

Have any of you so-called "birthers" seen this? http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Or how about the fact that Mr. Trump himself released an unofficial birth certificate after all of his hoopla?

It's getting tired, and your spots are showing.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

On the View last week, Donald Trump Lifted his "wave" and tugged on his hair, next to the scalp, and asked Barbara Walters to tug on it. He proved that his strange hair is real. This was in "view" of Barbara, Whoppi, and the American public. (In close up and personal.) Why won't the President go close up and personal with a "view" of his Birth Certificate on one of his frequent Prime Time telecasts? That would end the discussion. As Trump asks, "What is on the real Birth Certificate that President Obama doesn't want the American public to see?"

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

Those photographs are of a recently LASER printed "document" and Not a photocopy of the Real "Birth Certificate". It would be very simple for the President of the United States to obtain and show a true copy of his actual Birth Certificate.

I have mine (1949) and my daughter's (1979). Both were very simple to obtain. My Mother simply wrote for mine in 1954 and gave it to me when I joined the Air Force. My daughter's was mailed to me two weeks after her birth. Simple!!!

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes it is 2011 and we have had scanners and scanner printers for over a decade. The Real long form Birth Certificate can be scanned and sent to the President in seconds. Then he can display the copy at his next Prime Time telecast. That would end the discussion. The question stands: "Why won't he do this?

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Obama is a citizen, born in Hawaii, and is the legally elected President of the United States.

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repaste 3 years, 5 months ago

Tommy, you calling the Prez a "buy"? Typo or just so clever?

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

No. you are pretending again. Obama is a citizen, born in Hawaii, and is the legally elected President of the United States.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 5 months ago

Hey, Tom, McCain made sure he was selected by picking Palin as VP. The Republicans didn't want to get elected and clean up the economy. They knew it was going to take a long time to recover.

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jaywalker 3 years, 5 months ago

I saw the headline in the 'discussed' section and as I clicked the link I said to myself, "gotta be Pitts." Bingo! And - shocker!

I didn't bother reading the whole thing 'cuz.....well, why bother? I've read this from him before, right? I do like how he starts off with the name calling, does a mea culpa and pretends to be above such thins as "name-calling"............ when the headline of the article screams "RACISTS!!!!" Too funny.

There's no way the Prez ain't a citizen, the Right would have cut this off at the pass before he even started running. But quoting Whoopi is never a solid path to making a point. I do find it amazing that so many are still on this bandwagon so I have to ask myself what's missing to put this to rest? Surely a document can be produced that would end all this, right? But while I believe the Prez is wholly American, why can't he and his get this crappola out of the way once and for all? Pretty please??!! The comments here can't be worth delving into, lest someone cares to prove me wrong.

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jonas_opines 3 years, 5 months ago

"I saw the headline in the 'discussed' section and as I clicked the link I said to myself, "gotta be Pitts." Bingo! And - shocker!"

C'mon, man, this one was nothing. It has the word Racist in the headline. Who's it gonna be but Pitts?

As for content, didn't see much point in doing much more than scanning either.

Really, how many words does it need to prove the obvious?

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scott3460 3 years, 5 months ago

I can spend 5 minutes looking on the internet and find compelling evidence of his birth certificate. Strange that this story keeps getting cycled through the mainstream press over and over and over again. I wonder who is profiting from the "scandal?" Probably the liberals who control the mainstream media, right?

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

"But quoting Whoopi is never a solid path to making a point."

Doesn't matter which side of this people are on, that is funny.

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Gene Wallace 3 years, 5 months ago

Did you see Whoopi's "Act" when Donald Trump was on "The View"? Not a Class Act!

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Obama is a citizen, born in Hawaii, and is the legally elected President of the United States.

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Stuart Evans 3 years, 5 months ago

racist undercurrent has intolerant backing in some mighty high places...

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Jim Phillips 3 years, 5 months ago

What many of you fail to recall is that Hillary Clinton's lawyer was the first to bring up this birth certificate issue during the primaries. Now I wonder why the libs forget that and I wonder why it came up in the first place. As far as the "racist" remark goes, well, I once had a lawyer tell me he has three strategies when defending his clients. If the defense has a strong case, he attacks the evidence. If the evidence is solid the defense weakens and he attacks the testimony. If the testimony is solid the defense hasn't uch of a case so he attacks the witness. Seems to me like the left is grasping at straws by pulling the race card. You think I'm racist? Prove it.

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xtronics 3 years, 5 months ago

"Birther debate has racist undercurrent"

By not putting the issue to rest by releasing the long form seems to be a clever way of playing the race card - which is racist in itself.

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jonas_opines 3 years, 5 months ago

Impressive mental gymnastics. You must train.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Race-baiters like Lenny have to keep the base outraged so they don't think about the fact that one half of the Mope In Chief's ancestors were like totally Caucasian.

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mom_of_three 3 years, 5 months ago

Birther debate does have racist undercurrent. Course there are non-birthers who are angry (and some are racists at that) because we have a black (or correctly - bi-racial) president. I am personally related to a few of those Republicans myself.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 5 months ago

  1. Bob Dole can only produce the exact same record Obama can produce as proof of live birth.

Let us, therefore, start questioning Bob Dole´s citizenship based on the very same arguments.

  1. The headline should read....

Birther debate has IGNORANT undercurrent

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Richard Payton 3 years, 5 months ago

Bob Dole was never elected President. He would have liked to been crowned the PreZ but lost the election.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 5 months ago

ivalueamerica nails it.

Where is the birther outrage over Bob Dole?

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 5 months ago

This argument just emphasizes how superficial Trump's mind really is.

Here we are talking about his most important political contribution to date and it is a total dud.

He will get about as many voters as his monopoly game got sales.

Probably all of them from very naive people watching his TV show and a few greedy bankers who believed his BS until he declared bankruptcy or simply ripped them off.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 5 months ago

The longer this "birther" nonsense continues, the more the birthers alienate themselves from mainstream, moderate society. So, keep it up!

I would liken the birthers to those who espoused and believed conspiracy theories about GWB, such as the nefarious cooperations between the Bush and Suad houses.

There a distinct racist element, but this is far overshadowed by a distinct idiocy element.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 5 months ago

Just for the record, I'm a conservative and I have no doubt that President Obama was born in Hawaii and that he was rightfully elected President of The United States. Next subject.

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beatrice 3 years, 5 months ago

Come on, everyone knows that you can put anything on the web. Websites lie. I want to have President Obama personally knock on my door, then show me not only his birth certificate, but the home movie of his birth that features the songs of Don Ho playing in the background. Then maybe I'll believe it. But some random site on these interwebs? No way. Besides, I'll bet if he really was born in Hawaii, it was before Aug. 21, 1959, before it became a state. He is probably lying about his age.

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hrh1961 3 years, 5 months ago

I was born in 1961 also, but October, my dad was in the army and my parents moved to Hawaii three months after my birth in January 1962. The Hawaiians were so friendly , and crazy about babies my birth was announced in several newspapers, and I was considered a Hawaiian.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 5 months ago

I think it is because we are incredulous that such ignorance exists.

Thank you for confirming the fact.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps the location of the birth isn't the issue the current regime is trying to keep a secret. http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/further_inquiry.htm

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Obama is a citizen, Hawaii is a state, Obama is the legally elected President of the United States of America. He is doing a much better job the Bush did.

Tom, Obama is the legally elected President of the Untied States.

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BigPrune 3 years, 5 months ago

Wouldn't there be some sort of evidence in church records when he was Baptized and where he was born would be listed in the church records? Don't most churches require something "for the record?"

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pace 3 years, 5 months ago

My church in Topeka doesn't. I think some catholic churches have special baptismal records. I don't know what you think a baptismal record means? I suggest you call your church and get back to us. If you haven't been baptized call a baptist church and ask to see their baptismal records. Get back to us. It won't be on topic but it would be something of interest. You don't get much opportunity to say things fact checked and of interest. Go for it.

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BigPrune 3 years, 4 months ago

Is your church in Topeka called Westboro? If so, it explains a lot. :)

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

Well, so you haven't done nothing. Surprise. You think personal attacks equal argument. You haven't got the guts to stand up for your own argument. I have read your comments, they are a worthless bag of personal attacks. God gave you a brain, use it. If you can't argue or explain how you think baptismal records work or would be pertinent to the topic then your comments waste space. You just say words and you think that is argument. My cat can do better.He at least keeps quiet on subjects he doesn't understand. You either don't know how to argue a point or you are a intellectual coward, one that is caught and embarrassed their point is found to be stupid. Obama is a citizen, Hawaii is a state, Obama is the legally elected President of the United States.

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Brent Garner 3 years, 5 months ago

First, in 2008, the Demoncrats did make an issue of John McCain's being born in the Panama Canal zone where his Navy officer father was stationed. There was a concerted effort to have John McCain declared inelgible because of where he was born. This effort ignored US law as it pertains to member of our military and other US government employees who are posted abroad at the behest of the US. This effort was also dispicable because of that ignorance. Yet, the Demoncrats object to anyone questioning the qualification of Obama. A true double standard.

Second, this controversy about Obama has become amplified because of his stonewalling on the subject. Not only has he hidden his birth certificate, but he has also sealed virtually any record regarding himself: academic papers, school documents, etc. This all creates the impression that he has something to hide. Frankly, he could embarrass his opponents and score some pretty big points by releasing his original birth certificate and showing these people that they are wrong. His refusal to do so when his own party demanded the same of McCain, speaks of hypocrisy and makes people wonder if and what he may be hidding.

Not that I am a Trump fan, but Mr. Trump is right. Release the document and end the controversy! BTW, it is not racist to oppose someone's ideas! That is simply another red herring the left likes to use.

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

There is no controversy, there are just people who use the birther nonsense as an excuse to demonize the legally elected President of the United States. The tea pots are ideological steam. They drink deep of the hater aid but don't you realize they have done nothing to repair the infrastructure of the nation or to address the problems in Congress. Congress needs to be cleaned up. The tea pots are going after the cookie monster but leaving the big bad defense and oil empires alone. Fore

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

Obama is a citizen, Hawaii is a state, President Obama is the legally elected President of the United States. Thank god he was elected. His cautious and thoughtful leadership has saved this country from the Bush economic collapse. I thought Bush was a very poor president but I never deluded myself that he wasn't the president. Obama is the legally elected president of the United States. You certainly haven't presented lucid argument for quite a while.

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Gregory Newman 3 years, 5 months ago

Yaw need to quit being so stupid no one can work for the federal government without showing a birth certificate with that STATE SEAL that you can feel. The same with the military. The whole problem with you folks is that you expected a savior instead of a president.

If a republican was the current president he or she wouldn't be doing crap either. That repel of that Garn-St. Germaine Act by Reagan gave power to the bankers. The federal reserve is killin us plus the REpugs in congress the "official law makers" taking bribes from bankers. I had to remind folks of that because it is apparent that not one of you had taken American government in high school.

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

I think the Trump deserves the GOP nomination and the teaparty deserves him as their nominee. OK. that was nasty. I think some of the teapots have some good points, they need to extract themselves from the goofballs and Koch undercover pimps and reclaim the republican party.

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