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Petition drive collects 50,000 signatures in call for Rep. Virgil Peck to resign

Groups call for lawmaker to step down over comments on illegal immigration

March 24, 2011

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Representatives from several local and national human rights organizations on Friday will deliver to Gov. Sam Brownback more than 50,000 signatures from an online petition calling for state Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, to resign for his comments about illegal immigration.

“Representative Peck’s words were dangerous,” said Lalo Muñoz from the Latino Informational Network of Kansas.

“There is no place in our Kansas State Legislature for someone who uses offensive words to endanger and create fear in our communities,” Muñoz said.

Last week Peck, during a committee discussion about a program that controls the feral hog problem by shooting them from helicopters, said, “It looks like to me, that if shooting these immigrating feral hogs works, maybe we have found a (solution) to our illegal immigration problem.”

The comment caused a national uproar. The next day, Peck issued a two-sentence apology, saying his statement was “regrettable.”

Many organizations said Peck’s apology didn’t go far enough and that he should resign. Peck has refused, and House Republican leaders have said they have accepted Peck’s apology and won’t discuss it further.

Presente.org, a national online advocacy group for Latinos, coordinated an online petition drive calling for Peck’s resignation. The drive had more than 50,000 signers.

On Friday, the group, along with representatives from Sunflower Community Action, Somos Republicanos, Latino Information Network of Kansas, the Kansas-Missouri DREAM Alliance, Topeka LULAC Council, National People’s Action, the Wichita Metro American GI Forum, and others will deliver the petitions to Brownback.

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Steve Jacob 3 years, 7 months ago

Not sure if we should force him to resign, it's more up to the people in his district to vote for or against him.

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Jan Rolls 3 years, 7 months ago

Why wait for another election?

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

Just curious, but of those 50,000 signatures, I wonder how many come from his district? Are they even from Kansas? I still think a recall by his constituents is the way to go, if that's what they want.

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xclusive85 3 years, 7 months ago

I was wondering this as well. Also, and don't hate me for this, how many are from illegal immigrants?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

What difference does it make where they came from? This are a statement of opinion, not a legally binding document.

If the residents of SE Kansas are content with a raving racist representing them, that's their choice-- but it likely will come at a cost.

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optimist 3 years, 7 months ago

What Rep. Peck said was not racist...rather it was nationalistic. There is no evidence that he was specific to any one race in particular. I can assume that he is talking about the southern border but there is no evidence of that either. Even if that is the case illegal immigrants crossing the southern border are not exclusive of any particular race or country.

Your assumptions about his being racist may reflect more on your bigotry toward southeast Kansans.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

You're just playing semantics.

What it truly is is xenophobia, which can take many forms, "racism" and "nationalism" being two.

Bottom line is that he views those he advocated murdering as subhuman. And that is racism, pure and simple, even if the "race" of those he'd murder is difficult to categorize, mostly because "race" is not a particularly well-defined concept. Genetically speaking, the defining feature of humans is how utterly the same we are, across the world, and across "races," not how superficially we may vary.

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WilburNether 3 years, 7 months ago

"bozo"... Well, at least you practice truth in labeling.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

Yes, and you are just another bozo on this bus, too, WN.

But some of us bozos are capable of doing more than commenting on the aliases of other posters.

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strongarmcrunch 3 years, 7 months ago

Don't you think that the very thought that they should kill other human being is alarming? What can you possibly be thinking?

Racism or not, wanting to kill other human being is unacceptable in any manner!

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

How many are from the people he represents? Those are the ones who count when election time rolls around.

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overthemoon 3 years, 7 months ago

But this whole thing really made some SEK voters mad as well.

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situveux1 3 years, 7 months ago

How hypocritical. He says he represented SEK voters, which was then torn apart by two Democrats from SEK. Now you call everyone in SEK a racist based on this one comment. Your comment isn't any better than Peck's saying he represented SEK.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

And if I sign a petition asking the Prime Minister of Canada to resign, what's that worth? Or the Governor of Idaho? The proper way to undo an election is via a recall. If the people of his district want that, fine. If not, that's fine too.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

What's it mean when anybody says anything anywhere?

Just because it doesn't have the force of law doesn't mean they shouldn't express their opinions. And the opinion you express here is no more or less binding, or important.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

What I'm calling for is the rule of law. Elections are the cornerstone of democracy. There is a proper way to undo elections. That's a recall.
Certainly, everyone on the planet is entitled to an opinion. But I could care less if someone in New Zealand (say) likes or dislikes my representative. My original post asked if those 50,000 were from Peck's district, or even Kansas. I can expand that to Are they from the U.S. or a foreign country? Are they registered voters. If they are registered voters from his district or from Kansas I will listen differently than if they are from foreign lands. (In the same way I will listen to the U.S. President differently than I will listen to (say) the President of Russia).

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

"What I'm calling for is the rule of law. Elections are the cornerstone of democracy. There is a proper way to undo elections. That's a recall. "

Are you suggesting that this petition somehow detracts from the rule of law, or elections? Do you really think that anyone who signed this petition saw it as a "recall election," or anything other than as a vehicle for stating their opinion?

And in expressing that opinion, what difference does it make where they live, or in which country they have citizenship? Especially since they aren't making the slightest attempt to portray themselves as residents of Peck's district. The whole point of the petition is to send the message to both Peck and his constituents that much of the rest of the world find his racist comments wholly unacceptable for an elected official.

Are you in Peck's district? If not, what difference does it make if you listen to the signers of this petition or not?

BTW, do you think Peck should resign?

Also, I think Scott Walker should resign as Wisconsin governor. If he won't resign, I think he should be impeached or recalled. Just because I don't live in Wisconsin, does that mean I have no right to say that?

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

The signers of the petition can voice their opinion all they want. I've never said they can't. The question is, should he listen? Let me put it this way, I may want the Prime Minister of Italy to resign because of the scandals involving sex with teenage girls. Or I might want the President of Iran to resign because he is a Holocaust denier. But what are the best interests of Italy and Iran and am I looking out for those best interests? Yes I find the actions of those leaders repugnant and no I do not have the best interests of those countries in mind. It's the same with the signers of this petition, they find his words repugnant, but they do not have his districts best interests in mind when they call for the bypassing of the legitimate recall process.
You asked if I think Mr. Peck should resign. I do not. I sincerely believe he made a remark in jest, a very repugnant remark indeed. However, if I lived in his district I would certainly consider signing a recall petition. But honestly, I never heard of him before this controversy and I would need more information before I took that step. BTW, do you really believe he would support the killing of people from helicopters or do you think it was just made out of frustration with lack of action regarding the illegal immigration policy we now have?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

"but they do not have his districts best interests in mind when they call for the bypassing of the legitimate recall process. "

WTF are you talking about? They merely said he should resign. They didn't ask for some sort of coup d'etat.

And I'm sorry, but equating people to pigs and suggesting that they be murdered from helicopters is not a joke, especially not when it's done in his official capacity as a legislator. If you believe it is, you need to do some serious introspection about your own racist tendencies.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

You take things too literal. Below a commenter said Mr. Peck had a mental disorder. Is he REALLY practicing medicine without a license, or merely making a statement that was not meant to be taken word for word. The same was true of Mr. Pecks statement. I thought his comment was in very bad taste but I never believed he REALLY meant for people to fly around in helicopters and shoot illegal immigrants. If I thought for one minute that he meant it, I would advocate for the proper authorities to investigate for possible criminal violations.
As for the statement that they merely asked him to resign, fine they can ask and he can say no. The End. Unless his constituents say otherwise.

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1Dem 3 years, 7 months ago

Time for Rep Peck to resign.If not,then RECALL PECK.

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loverofidiots 3 years, 7 months ago

Everyone who is whining about this needs to get over themselves. Which of you haven't said something stupid and you probably didn't even apologize for it. The man said something stupid and apologized. Learn to forgive and move forward.

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Grump 3 years, 7 months ago

Peck refused to apologize at first saying he was only speaking as people in his district spoke. Peck only "apologized" after Brownback announced that Peck was going to apologize.

That is not a real apology.

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Jan Rolls 3 years, 7 months ago

If you say something racist in your workplace you would need to be gone too.

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somedude20 3 years, 7 months ago

Your name says it all! This guy was at work, on the House Floor when he said that we should murder illegal immigrants like how they shoot pigs. That is way beyond stupid!

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bolshavik_vw 3 years, 7 months ago

Easier said than done, When he offended an entire group of people who work hard, And do not deserve this one bit.

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scott3460 3 years, 7 months ago

I wonder what, if anything, the republican leadership has done in response to Peck's foolish remarks. THAT is an issue all Kansans may legitimately wish to weigh in on. If, as I suspect, it is nothing, then perhaps the right wingers might be shamed to something.

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kujayhawk7476 3 years, 7 months ago

We don't tolerate illegal rape, illegal murder, illegal theft, etc., but we tolerate illegal immigration because those people VOTE!! Illegally of course!

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beatrice 3 years, 7 months ago

Although it is terribly obvious, it should be noted that people crossing a border to find work is hardly on the level of rape or murder.

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Jan Rolls 3 years, 7 months ago

Sure that's why they came here so they could vote. Get real.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

kujayhawk,

You are really being dishonest here. There are many people on both sides of the aisle against illegal immigration and this issue has nothing to do with a political stance on being against illegal immigration.

This is about a remark about shooting people and comparing them to ferral hogs and even Sam Brownback, who we all know how he feels about brown skinned folks, found the remark offensive and unprofessional.

This is about the ethics and bigotry of the person in question, not about pro or anti illegal immigration and you know it, so why say something else? Why do you feel the need to say something false to make your point?

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SouthWestKs 3 years, 7 months ago

Gov. Brownback needs to throw the petiton in the trash!! If the people of his district want to get rid of him they can do a recall.. Everybody else needs to shut-up..

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

I assume Gov. Brownback would not be the recipient of the petition since he does not have the legal authority to remove Peck from office. Peck can do that himself by resigning or the people of his district can do it via recall. Elections are not something of such little consequence that they can be overturned upon the whim of an angry few. The overturning of an election should be done only as a last result and in an orderly manner. I would respect a recall petition signed by a few hundred of his constituents more than an on-line petition singed by 50,000 people from gosh knows where with agendas that may or may not be in the best interests of that district.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

what an ignorant and disconnected comment. This person is making laws for all Kansas, not just his district and if he is failing as a servant to the state you damn well better believe it is my business.

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Jan Rolls 3 years, 7 months ago

Oh so everyone that doesn't believe in your crap and hate is not normal? Your statement says it all.

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jonas_opines 3 years, 7 months ago

No, he always seems to forget about those reactions.

As evidenced by the fact that he is still, as always, raving about the hard left.

Despite the topic, despite the content.

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Fred Mertz 3 years, 7 months ago

Yes, you're right and that is what the current republicans have forgotten. If they push the pendulum too far to the right then there will be a blacklash.

The way to do it is to incrementally create change. Slowly turn up the heat on that pot of water so the frog doesn't realize that he's being cooked.

Peck has added another round of ammo that will be fired against the repubs next election.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

His remarks about about shooting people from helicopters shows not just poor judgment but I think he has a mental disorder.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

And what mental disorder would that be, DOCTOR Pace?

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

Thank you Dr. Bozo. What page of the DSM in that on?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 7 months ago

It would be in the appendix, under the heading "Duh!!!"

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

Sullaway and Dunbar used a prejudice rating scale to assess and describe levels of prejudice.3 They found associations between highly prejudiced people and other indicators of psychopathology.

Now you might think fantasizing about shooting people from helicopters is just A OK. I think it is one nasty weird joke to make from the state house. I think it is so inappropriate as to suggest a mental problem.

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question4u 3 years, 7 months ago

Wow Tom, that was very generous of you to make a point for your adversaries.

You predict that the enormous stupidity of Virgil Peck's actions will be met with a reaction of equal intensity during the next election cycle.

I don't know what "earballs" are, but I imagine that many voters in Peck's district have already had it up to theirs with him.

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pusscanthropus 3 years, 7 months ago

Are you the reincarnation of Barry Penders? Sure seems like it.

May Ishtar bless!

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somedude20 3 years, 7 months ago

Careful there Tom because if you get too dark of a tan, one of your fellow repugs might take aim at you! Go watch "Red Dawn" and eat some raw red meat and chill out

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MyName 3 years, 7 months ago

Clearly the laws of Physics and the laws of "whatever political BS is coming out of Shewmon's brain" are perfectly interchangeable. In fact, that's right under the conservation of energy, but before Godwin's Law and Rule 42.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 7 months ago

A lot of hispanic Americans are very conservative, but they end up voting Democrat a lot. Does anyone really need to wonder why?

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somedude20 3 years, 7 months ago

Because Republicans threaten to kill them like wild pigs?

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

stu, elected officials can't be fired for offending your delicate sensibilities.

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question4u 3 years, 7 months ago

Yes, anyone who can't stomach the advocacy of genocide by a member of the Kansas House has sensibilities that are too delicate. There have been plenty of nations that have tried to exterminate undesirables. Why should that upset anyone? We should all be more like snap_pop and not be bothered when an elected official proposes mass killings. Until you can have a good laugh at the idea of gunning down men, women and children from a helicopter you're just too sensitive.

Snap_pop should be applauded for making Kansas attractive to prospective businesses and all those people who might consider bolstering our underpopulated counties. Most people want to relocate to places where there are residents like snap_pop who think that it's no big deal to stand on the floor of the Kansas House and propose shooting down people like feral hogs. Our state will thrive if we can attract more residents who think that way. So all of you people who get a giggle from thinking about homicide, welcome to Kansas.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

question, go to wiki and search for "joke". Then lighten up, okay?

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

of course you think things like lynchings and cross burnings and liking human being to Ferrel hogs and shooting them are simply the essence of a civilized society.

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Terry Jacobsen 3 years, 7 months ago

i wonder if their petition states "this is not a scientific poll etc...?". I get notices from groups i belong to all the time asking me to sign online petitions. Often I delete them because I feel like they are trying to throw my vote around and use it as a weapon to advance their agenda. Not mine. It's easy to get those kinds of responses especially from a national organization.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

If you got the right address list, you could get 50,000 online signatures to have Cosmo the Merry Martian declared the new KU mascot.

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oldvet 3 years, 7 months ago

Tell all 50K to line up and kiss your derriere, Virgil.

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jesse499 3 years, 7 months ago

What he said was not right thats not the way.but I think what he was trying to say was that most people in this country are getting dam tired of our Government not doing a dam thing about the problem.But maybe having ilegals vote and so on is the only way they can get elected so thats the reason they don't do anything.

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pace 3 years, 7 months ago

"what he was trying to say was" Then you must have the magic teapot code book. There are plenty of avenues for him or anyone to state the federal government should act, I mean the boys and girls in Congress and Senate to do something other than kiss the industries and corporations butts that profit off illegal hiring. "what he was trying to say was" He said what he said, he is responsible for what he said, He should resign.

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yankeevet 3 years, 7 months ago

Leave him alone; he is just saying outloud; what a lot of them would like to say................

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thebigspoon 3 years, 7 months ago

And that makes it right???? This fact that you can make this remar is symptomatic of the reasons that the Republican steamroller rolls on in Kansas: the value of the individual has eroded to the point that some, like you, have no conception of the sanctity of the individual. The almighty Party is the do-all and end-all of your world. I pity your way of thinking, if that's what you call it, and wish for you the best when the pendulum swings back to the center, where it will, eventually.

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thebigspoon 3 years, 7 months ago

And that makes it right???? This fact that you can make this remar is symptomatic of the reasons that the Republican steamroller rolls on in Kansas: the value of the individual has eroded to the point that some, like you, have no conception of the sanctity of the individual. The almighty Party is the do-all and end-all of your world. I pity your way of thinking, if that's what you call it, and wish for you the best when the pendulum swings back to the center, where it will, eventually.

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optimist 3 years, 7 months ago

Are all of the signers legal citizens?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 7 months ago

I LOVE the idea of this petition. It doesn't matter who signs it: illegals, constituents, Kansans, whatever. The point is that a strong message is sent to Topeka that says that people like Peck have no place in leadership.

Is there an on-line method of signing the petition. I'd do it, and I typically vote republican (and am a legal citizen).

Peck's moral compass has a badly bent needle. He needs to do ONE smart thing and resign.

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50YearResident 3 years, 7 months ago

It's easy to get 50,000 signatures on a petition when there are10 million illegals in the United States.
Let those of you that have never sinned (or made a raciest statement or told a raciest joke) be the first to sign and see how many signatures there will be on that petition.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 7 months ago

Your selective, cafeteria-style approach to grace and forgiveness is a FAIL. I've looked at countless hours of porn, I've yelled at my wife, I've been drunk before and NONE of that makes me unqualified to point out that porn is wrong, spousal abuse is wrong, drunkeness is a sin and this representative's weak, insincere apology does NOT absolve him of being held responsible for what he did. He didn't even see a need to apologize until the governor forced the issue! Did Jesus forgive those who didn't even see a need for forgiveness?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 3 years, 7 months ago

You are no more conservative than I. The difference is, you drank the cool-aid and have a "conservative farts don't stink" mentality. If he was a liberal democrat, you'd be asking where to sign. I know that, and everyone reading your post knows that about you.

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50YearResident 3 years, 7 months ago

Show some respect there OldEnuf2ByurDad because you are not old enough to be my dad, and you don't know anything about me.

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slowplay 3 years, 7 months ago

"I don't care if he is a scum sucking, racist, SOB, he's a Republican and that's good enough for me"... Voters of the Kansas 11th district

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Armen Kurdian 3 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure that's how women felt about Bill Clinton after Gennifer, Paula, & Monica.

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slowplay 3 years, 7 months ago

What district in Kansas does Mr. Clinton represent?

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verity 3 years, 7 months ago

I signed the petition.

I am not from Peck's district.

I was born and raised in Kansas and am proud to be a Kansan. I have lived in a number of other states, but am now living in Kansas.

I am, and have always been, a citizen of the United States of America. Both of my parents were, from birth, citizens of the United States of America.

So now you know the history of at least one signer.

Mr. Peck is my concern both because he makes Kansas look bad and most of all because he is voting on laws for my state which will affect me.

Even if it was a joke, it was in extremely bad taste and an extremely stupid thing to say. I expect my legislators to be of a higher caliber.

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Blue_Falcon 3 years, 7 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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sr80 3 years, 7 months ago

Get rid of the illegal aliens that signed and i bet the number would be 10K!!! Go Home!!

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

You know what they say about "assume"....

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

See also: Much Ado About Nothing

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

Peck's "joke" was unprofessional, unfunny, and a makes a mockery of the Kansas Legislature, which certainly doesn't need any help.

He told his joke while conducting official business of the legislature, not in private or back in Tyro. He has disgraced his office. He should do the honorable thing and resign. Then again, this is impossible to expect from him, doing an honorable thing.

What a shameful disgrace Peck is to his district, to the Kansas legislature, and to all Kansans.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

It is worth mentioning again Lawrence O'Donnell's thoughts on Peck. O'Donnell was trying to square Peck's absolutist anti-abortion stance with his murderous joke about shooting human beings from a helicopter like feral hogs.

O'Donnell reasoned that Peck might suggest that if the "feral hog" is pregnant, then aim for the head.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

Still plenty of time to sign the petition on line:

http://www.ksdp.org/

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verity 3 years, 7 months ago

So---are you guys illegal aliens? I mean, you must be, since you signed it.

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strongarmcrunch 3 years, 7 months ago

I signed the Presente.org petition and i am as white as snow, born in and reared in Kansas. Your logic fails in the face of rationality.

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verity 3 years, 7 months ago

I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic , but I guess it wasn't. See my 10:23 am post.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

Funny that the 10:27am and 12:10pm posts were removed.

Looks like this LJW forum has higher standards of responsible, professional conduct than does the Kansas legislature.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

This has nothing to do with that.

There lots of people on both sides of the Aisle who are against illegal immigration who do not use our tax dollars to make these sorts of statements. You are very confused if you think this is about his stance on illegal immigration.

If it were, then tell me why in the world did Brownback call for him to offer a public apology?

No, this is not about that at all, this is about his leadership, his professionalism and how ignorant statements he made a a servant to the state of Kansas.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

I agree, The_Big_b.

To solve the problem, we should be going after the demand for cheap immigrant labor, the farms, slaughterhouses, and gardening companies that ire illegal immigrants.

It is simply market capitalism. If there is a demand for cheap, under-the-table, unregulated workers, there is no way that the supply can be kept from it. You can try all you want to build fences and check papers and deport immigrants, but as long as there is a demand, the supply will find its way home.

It is capitalism and also a law of nature.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Molehill, mountain, do the math.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

Feral hogs root around on mountains and in molehills. Sooooeeeeey!

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strongarmcrunch 3 years, 7 months ago

This man advocated killing.

No GOP leader in their right minds should allow this man to stay in any legislative process. If he remains, if the GOP does not demand he resign, then their Pro-life agenda can never again be taken as valid and authentic. Their pro-life stance becomes mere a political tool and loses it real meaning.

  1. Prof. Lande clearly taught that racist jokes indicate clear prejudice and racism, whether it is active or passive. He cannot remain in his position in the legislative process with this active racism present in his psyche.

  2. No honest-to-god pro-life person would even joke about killing people, so high hallowed is their pro-life stance.

  3. This man clearly and most certainly MUST (!) resign for the face of the KS GOP to remain intact.

$. The worst thing about all of this is not that he said something like this. The worst thing is that he thought (!!!!!) it.

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strongarmcrunch 3 years, 7 months ago

This issue is just an arm's throw from the experiences of Nazi Germany. Surely we can learn from their mistakes and not make them ourselves.

To think that a specific group of people is not worthy of life is a very, very scary thing, and not to be taken lightly.

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strongarmcrunch 3 years, 7 months ago

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty." Thomas Jefferson

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

Such as the Community Organizer in Chief? "...Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China...." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/world/africa/11policy.html?_r=1

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 7 months ago

To paraphrase Lawrence O'Donnell: Given Peck's pro-lif stance, if a "feral sow" was pregnant, would he advocate shooting the "feral sow" in the head rather than the abdomen such that the sanctified "feral fetus" would not be harmed?

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 7 months ago

More Illegal Immigrants have been deported already under the Obama administration that were deported under the entire Bush administration.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 7 months ago

Words that incite violence are not protected by the First Amendment.

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