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Kansas legislator suggests using hunters in helicopters to control illegal immigration, likens immigrants to feral hogs

March 14, 2011, 12:15 p.m. Updated March 15, 2011, 12:49 a.m.

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Rep. Virgil Peck makes comment about using hunters in helicopters to battle illegal immigration

State Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, said Monday it might be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled -- with hunters shooting from helicopters. He later said he was just joking, but that his comment did reflect frustration with the problem of illegal immigration.

— A legislator said Monday it might be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled: with gunmen shooting from helicopters.

Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, said he was just joking, but that his comment did reflect frustration with the problem of illegal immigration.

Peck made his comment during a discussion by the House Appropriations Committee on state spending for controlling feral swine.

After one of the committee members talked about a program that uses hunters in helicopters to shoot wild swine, Peck suggested that may be a way to control illegal immigration.

Appropriations Chairman Marc Rhoades, R-Newton, said Peck’s comment was inappropriate.

Rhoades said he thought Peck was joking, but added, “Hopefully he won’t do it again.”

Asked about his comment, Peck was unapologetic. “I was just speaking like a southeast Kansas person,” he said.

He said most of his constituents are upset with illegal immigration and the state and federal government response.

He said he didn’t expect any further controversy over his comment. “I think it’s over,” he said.

Last month, another state legislator, Rep. Connie O’Brien, R-Tonganoxie, apologized after referring to a college student as an illegal immigrant because of her “olive complexion.”

Legislators this session are considering several controversial bills that supporters say will decrease illegal immigration.

One of those, House Bill 2372, would establish provisions similar to an Arizona law enacted last year.

But the House Judiciary Committee on Monday tabled the bill on a 12-8 vote.

Rep. Pat Colloton, R-Leawood, made the motion to table, saying the bill was too broad. It would have allowed law enforcement to check the status of people they reasonably suspected of being illegal immigrants, instead of requiring “probable cause.”

“This is an invitation to racial profiling,” she said.

The bill would also require state agencies and contractors to make a good faith effort to avoid hiring illegal immigrants using the federal E-Verify system. But Colloton said the way the bill was written it could have shut down charitable organizations that had unknowingly hired an illegal immigrant.

Colloton said that the bill could be reconsidered but that the vote on Monday to table the measure sends a message that it needs to be changed.

Comments

OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm growing tired of reading offensive quotes like this from our legislators. Even in hindsight his vision is 400/12.

Offer your resignation, please.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 4 years, 5 months ago

While I do not agree with the legislators comment, I see your view of the freedom of speech is "support free speech...as long as it doesn't offend anyone."

Majestic42 4 years, 5 months ago

Correct. Voltaire's famous phrase isn't conditional.

MyName 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm sorry, I don't think that you understand the concept of free speech: the politician is free to make an ass of himself and we're free to point out what an idiot he is for making statements like this. Additionally, I don't think it's a case of political correctness gone overboard to point out that, if you are in a job that involves communicating with the public, you might want to learn a little thing called "tact". Or you might want to find a job more suited to your skillset, like mucking hog pens.

rjciraulo 4 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps another reading of the First Amendment will help you grasp the concept of Free Speech.

preebo 4 years, 5 months ago

The Supreme Court has ruled that speech is, in fact, protected, however, as long as it does not insight violence or bring harm to someone.

I think you could see where advocating that hunters in helicopters "control" the illegal immigration issue as a form of policy, let alone comparing human beings of differing complexion and nationality to feral swine.

As an American, you should try familiarizing yourself with the document and corresponding jurisprudence before you go off creating a defense for ignorant behavior, rather than basing your entire understanding of said document on what Glen Beck tells you.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 4 years, 5 months ago

Oh, you mean like when the Supreme Court, in Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), summarized the level to which speech that advocates crime must rise in order to be punishable as being "of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger . . ."? Or are you referring to the jurisprudence of Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), where the Court held that words may not be punished merely for being offensive, but that the words must be likely to incite an ordinary citizen to acts of IMMEDIATE violence to be punishable?

Moreover, these protections are in place against state action (it's called the "state-action requirement"), to protect people from being punished by the Government for their speech, not to censor everyone that spits out an offensive or disagreeable comment.

And, finally, perhaps you should try familiarizing yourself with the concept of a "complete statement." I'm not quite sure where you were headed with that second paragraph - and I use that term loosely - but, when you figure it out, let us know.

PawneeBill47 4 years, 5 months ago

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llama726 4 years, 5 months ago

"Part of the Mexican culture is driving and drinking"

Cool. You're the reason intelligent people leave Kansas.

Mighty7 4 years, 5 months ago

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Scott Drummond 4 years, 5 months ago

Jail the traitorous employers who draw the illegal immigrant to this country and profit from their illegal labor and you will begin to make a dent in this problem.

That obvious solution is never, ever proposed by republicans. I wonder why?

Celimonster 4 years, 1 month ago

I find it hilarious that you white rednecks constantly complain about mexican's taking your jobs. Is it really our fault you didn't graduate high school? That you choose to have a bad job? You people act like a illegal alien can be a CEO, or have a good job. Please, quit complaining. This land doesn't belong to you. Ever heard of Native Americans?

OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 5 months ago

"support free speech...as long as it doesn't offend anyone."

He's talking about the extermination of people AND he's an elected official representing the populace. He's free to say that, and I'm free to say that he needs to resign because 1) he said it AND 2) he doesn't have the sense of right & wrong to realize how wrong (wrong!, not merely offensive) his words were.

He needs to be disciplined.

MomTaxpayerCitizen 4 years, 5 months ago

And I'm growing tired of foreign freeloaders and criminals sucking the life out of U.S. taxpayers. They steal our identities, evade taxes by working for cash and steal our jobs, use our emergency rooms as free health clinics and have twice as many children as citizens and then line up for welfare so they can send $billions to their own country every year.

govh8ter 4 years, 5 months ago

I am one of about 10 white roofers in lawrence, you taxpayers are the ones helping the illegals, do you not notice the 12 mexicans redoing your roof? go up to them and see if any of them speak english, they don't! Or better yet ask the roofing company the names of the workers that will be working on your house. If the roofing contractor can tell you all of the names of the guys working on your house I will pay for your roof.

Celimonster 4 years, 1 month ago

Really? That's funny considering 90% of serial killers are white americans. 57% are drug dealers or drug addicts.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

So, did you ask for Obama's resignation when he made fun of special olympic competitors?

notajayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

"Obama was on a comedy show (Leno) and profusely apologized for his remark."

Translation (and the liberal/Democrat mantra):

'But ... but ... but ... but that's different.'

Alyosha 4 years, 5 months ago

Making fun of oneself and yes, by implication making light of people with disabilities, is indeed different from saying human beings, God's children, should be murdered.

Surely you can see that difference? Or can you actually not?

kawrivercrow 4 years, 5 months ago

No, ridiculing the handicapped for the sake of humor is far more repugnant than the angry outburst of hyperbole (and that is all it was) towards an entire subculture who defines themself solely by their voluntary actions that violate American laws. People say mean things when they are mad as hell and we have every right to be mad as hell. I just came from Phoenix. You do not want Mexico to do to KS what it has done to AZ.

gudpoynt 4 years, 5 months ago

Good Point Fred!

For fun, let's do a side by side comparison of the two situations so we can better point out the hypocrisy of the left.

Obama: Tasteless joke about comparing his own bowling abilities to that of someone with a physical disability.

Peck: Tasteless joke about murdering illegal immigrants from helicopters.

Obama: Made his joke on a comedy show.

Peck: Made his joke in a legislative committee (i.e his professional workplace).

Obama: Tasteless joke was a dig on himself as much as anybody else and had nothing to do with politics.

Peck: Tasteless joke was about instating a fascist, xenophobic anti-immigration policy.

Obama: Called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize before the show even aired. Apology was accepted.

Peck: Has not yet apologized.

I know you're not defending Peck (R), per se. But by attempting to draw silly comparisons such as these, it sure looks like you are.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Well you're right in that I am not defending Peck, just calling for consistency in the standard we apply to our elected leaders.

Let's do a side by comparison of the two scenarios.

Peck - low level elected representative that very few outside of Kansas know about.

Obama - leader of the United States, idolized by many including children with disabilities. How those children must have been hurt to learn that Obama made fun of them.

Peck - comment made in a small committee, nonetheless wrong, unprofessional and unproductive.

Obama - comment made on a comedy show - why was he on the show in the first place? What did his appearence cost taxpayers in terms of security costs? Putting aside these issues he was wrong to disparage the special olympics to get a laugh.

Is this really how the POTUS is suppose to act? Shouldn't he be more dignified and professional, especially when appearing on a national TV show viewed by millions?

The above comparisons are really just BS intended to show you how anything can be spun to fit one's agenda.

My point was and continues to be, let's hold all politicians to the same standard instead of having one set for your party and another for the other party. If someone is going to call for a politican's resignation for a stupid comment then be sure to call for it for all politicians who make stupid jokes.

Call it what it is, but let's not overreact just to garner political points.

gudpoynt 4 years, 5 months ago

look dude.

It's like a good friend of yours making a horribly tasteless, racist joke in confidence. Makes you think twice about your friend, and what their inner feelings are, doesn't it?

I'll ask for Obama's resignation when he discloses his inner feelings by suggesting, even as a joke, that fellow humans should be hunted like pigs.

somedude20 4 years, 5 months ago

Nice try Fred but threatening M U R D E R is not even close to being the same. I would hope that you would have more common sense but it seems as though common sense is an uncommon virtue for you and your ilk!!

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Silly, just plain silly to suggest that he threatened murder. Your hyperbole reveals your bias.

I on the other hand, hold politicians, regardless of party to the same standards and don't blow things out of proportion.

It is sad when people let their prejudices guide them.

gudpoynt 4 years, 5 months ago

sadder still when people allow crap like this to go by.

if a high school student made a similar joke in government class, I would expect that child to be disciplined in someway. At the very, very, least, an apology is in order.

Regardless. You're still missing the point. What kind of lawmaker -- yes, Law Maker -- would think up a "joke" like this -- to even suggest that hunting illegal immigrants from the air like pigs is even remotely funny, let alone thinking it would be well received in legislative committee?

The answer, of course is Peck (R).

That doesn't make you uncomfortable at all? To know that someone in a position to help shape immigration policy thinks the idea of hunting immigrants form the air is funny?

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't recall Obama saying that Special Olympic competitors should be shot from the air like feral hogs.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 5 months ago

"Made fun" does not equal "suggest murder". Not in my mind.

Everyone on these boards assumes that everyone comments along strict party lines. I voted for McCain and Brownback. I don't have to be a Democrat in order to call out a Republican. Some of us actually DO think for ourselves.

SpeedRacer 4 years, 5 months ago

I must have missed the part where he called for shooting from helicopters.

somebodynew 4 years, 5 months ago

"He said he didn't expect any further controversy over his comment. "I think it's over," he said."

Oh, something tells me it is just starting !!!! I was going to suggest he and that other "redneck" guy get together, but I guess there is a whole bunch of them together right now in Topeka.

I wish this stuff came out before elections, not right after. But I suppose that is giving voters too much credit.

akhmatova 4 years, 5 months ago

I've lived in Southeast Kansas almost my entire life. That is not how people from SEK speak. That is how racists who have no regard for human life outside of their own skin color speak.

sditt54 4 years, 5 months ago

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Scruggsy 4 years, 5 months ago

The comment was bad enough. What is worse is that he doesn't see anything wrong with it. The people running this state are complete fools.

Also, why are they worrying about the wild pigs anyway? Here's an idea- turn it over to Wildlife and Parks, let them put a hunting/ trapping season on them, then charge $10 for the permit. Hunters/ trappers love it, raises some revenue, pig population decreased. Next item please.

Get to work on something productive, you damn fools!!!!

xclusive85 4 years, 5 months ago

Was this a serious question? If the feral hog population starts getting out of control, they will have a huge negative effect on the ag sector of our economy.

Kirk Larson 4 years, 5 months ago

What? Cheap labor that results in some of the cheapest, most bountiful food in human history?

Alyosha 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually, check into how Gov. Brownback wants to end funding for KS's quite successful program dealing with feral hogs. We've got a system that's the envy of other states, and without funding the problem will return and yes, damage our ag economy and cost a lot of money.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Oh pleaaaazzzze.......the comment was not about genocide it was about illegal immigration and while in poor taste, was not meant to be taken seriously. Yes, Obama's comments are close in that he tried to make a joke that wasn't funny and was at the expense of a vulnerable population that tries hard to be compete at athletics.

Do I think it is a big deal what Obama did? Of course not. Do I think it is a big deal what Peck did? Yes and no - no because it was a poor attempt at humor, but yes, because he should know better.

My original point is let's put party affliation aside and hold or not hold politicians to the same standards. If you give Obama a pass for a failed attempt at humor then give it to Peck.

gudpoynt 4 years, 5 months ago

fred....

the idea is that the joke wouldn't have even occurred to anyone who respects humans, regardless of the status as US citizens.

the fact that he brought it up unprovoked, during a completely unrelated conversation, makes me seriously question not only his judgement, but what the hell is going on in his mind when he's at work.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

Comparing human beings to feral hogs is blatantly racist, and hardly a joke.

cowboy 4 years, 5 months ago

Might need to add a section similar to talk of the town...

Crazy Crap The Republicans Said Today

ivalueamerica 4 years, 5 months ago

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Brittanicus 4 years, 5 months ago

TAXPAYERS TO THE WORLD

Again--those States that ignore public opinion and the billions of dollars extracted from public service and welfare programs to sustain illegal economic migrants and immigrants will initiate consequences of refugees arriving there from Arizona and other self-restriction States. If Oklahoma, Utah, Georgia Michigan legislators giving away to indulgent provisions, playing into the greedy hands of industry and other open border seeders. They too will be submerged by mass populations of illegal cheap labor, mainly from low income labor. These people are ready and willing to steal American jobs as they have been doing for three decades. Unsettled by new policing laws throughout the country, unknown numbers of foreigners will head in all directions looking for a better home. States that pander to illegal immigrants such as California, Nevada will get their fair share of paperless people, as they spread across the Southwest. California has been soaked for a 24 billion dollar deficit, so how much money is your State taxpayers out-of-pocket subsidizing anybody who makes it this side of the fence or through airports. Illinois itself has to make-up 15 billion dollar deficit, with $4.6 billion attributed to taxpayers paying for foreign illegal settlement. No State is immune if the State lawmakers who decide to tamper down rigid laws. YOU--end up paying for the education, health care and accumulation of other entitlement programs.

WE CAN ONLY WIN THIS WAR, IF EVERY AMERICAN UNITES TOGETHER.

Every State needs to be unswerving towards mandating E-Verify, 287 (G) and Secure Communities police programs. If you are here illegal and get caught, which you eventually will in some scenario you will be deported, with zero tolerance. Amnesty (blanket Amnesty or Comprehensive Reform) is out of the question with the majority of Americans and the growing membership of the Tea Party steadfast in their resolve. We have already had six hidden amnesties since Ronald Reagan's unenforced 1986 immigration law and we pro-sovereignty groups are suspiciously watching for these irregularities. NumbersUSA does not disguise the facts from the Leftist editorial, but offers disquieting statistics and what is really being done to stem the ever increasing tide of illegal immigrants? The US Government does not always tell The People the full truth, so those interested in the corruption and details emanating from Congress and State Capitols on the illegal immigration issue should investigate the website of Judicial Watch. If you want to call your federal or State Representative directly, find the phone number in the blue pages of your phone directory.

Gary Anderson 4 years, 5 months ago

wow...just went to those sites...you must be a very angry and frustrated person...

Mighty7 4 years, 5 months ago

With so many imbeciles around...Who wouldn't?

question4u 4 years, 5 months ago

Illegal immigration occurs because businesses are willing to hire workers without documentation. Is Peck suggesting that business owners who employ illegals should be shot? That might be an effective strategy, though it is a truly sick idea. Watch out all you farmers, ranchers, and factory owners who look the other way when hiring! Virgil Peck has a bullet with your name on it.

Just when you thought that the Kansas House couldn't embarrass itself further, out crawls Virgil Peck to show you what stupid really is.

jhawkinsf 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually, the reasons for illegal immigration are many and complex.

guesswho 4 years, 5 months ago

quit trying to make people think. Easier to believe a bullet point.

Jan Rolls 4 years, 5 months ago

Virgil and a lot of republicans are stuck on stupid

llama726 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes, but the large majority of enabling is done by the businesses.

tomatogrower 4 years, 5 months ago

When I was a para students used to shove and push each other all the time. They would always say, "I'm just kidding." They were in middle school. Grow up, Peck.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

" "I was just speaking like a southeast Kansas person," he said."

So he's saying that people from SE Kansas are racist idiots?

I have a feeling plenty of people from that region would take offense at both of these comments reported here.

taiwantea 4 years, 5 months ago

Maybe someone should go and check out all the Chinese Buffets in town...G$

jhawkinsf 4 years, 5 months ago

Wow - I'm not a Republican, but if you're views represent Democrats, I'm glad I'm not that either.

slowplay 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't think babboy speaks for anyone, least of all Democrats. He just likes to "stir the pot" but even then his above post is ludrcrous at best if not outright ignorant.

Jan Rolls 4 years, 5 months ago

Maybe this racist will lose his seat because of the new census data.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

It isn't that he made a joke - many step in it in an attempt at humor. It is the level of that joke, of comparing people to feral animals who should be shot, that is so repugnant.

If you think this is much ado about nothing, imagine if it had been a "joke" from a pro-choice politician about abortion on the same level as this joke of killing illegals. I wonder how well that would go over.

trinity 4 years, 5 months ago

this buffoon is likely best buds with the imbecile from my district, bill otto. what a bunch of tools.

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 5 months ago

So Peck thinks illegal immigrants are as easy to spot as feral hogs.

Just shoot all the brown people, eh Representative?

Hey, I'm just speaking like a Southeast Kansas person, too.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

I have said in the past that I engage in these discussions not only because I like to read what I wrote, but because as someone who has an open mind, i enjoy (for the most part) reading the perspective of others.

I stand by the point I made; that I was not defending Peck, but calling for consistency in the standards to which we hold politicians with my original post. However, after reading several posts that disagreed with me, I have to concede that Peck's post was far more onerous than the Obama special olympic comment.

It does convey a lack of empathy for people regardless of their immigration status and should not have been made. I for one, have misspoke and only later realized it was inappropriate or didn't really convey my true intention. In those cases I did apologize.

Peck was wrong and should apologize and he should be more professional in the future. Also, he should realize that joke dehumanizes illegal immigrants and that is something we should not do regardless of our views of illegal immigration.

Taffy3 4 years, 5 months ago

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Taffy3 4 years, 5 months ago

I wonder if this guy's mother had any kids that lived?

I'm as P.O.'d as anyone about illegal criminal immigration coming across the border and the lack of security, but this guy is Captain WhackJob. It's extremely stupid remarks like this that get covered in the press and both sides are guilty.

Someone ought to make him pee in a cup and get him tested.

akuna 4 years, 5 months ago

Asked about his comment, Peck was unapologetic. "I was just speaking like a southeast Kansas person," he said.

So all SE Kansans are hateful bigots? Is that what he is implying, cause that is what I am understanding.

speedy47 4 years, 5 months ago

How about charging admission to the comedy show in Topeka. Our budget problems would be over. Can't believe we elected them.

yourworstnightmare 4 years, 5 months ago

More zany fun from the Kansas legislature. Hilarious. Hunting illegal immigrants using a helicopter! Feral hogs! You just can't make this stuff up. Please Mr. Peck. Keep the jokes coming! You are on a roll!

roadwarrior 4 years, 5 months ago

I wonder if part of his comment might have been frustration through humor, pointing out the irony of discussion time on the economically damaging problem of feral pig control and not for the economically damaging problem of illegal alien control by suggesting a 2fer solution to save time. What part of "by order of importance" are they missing ?

Bursting 4 years, 5 months ago

I am against illegal immigration and murder. Maybe they should just use tranquilizers.

Jan Rolls 4 years, 5 months ago

I have come to the conclusion that if you put a bird's brain in most reuplicans heads they would fly backwards.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

And yet, as dumb as they are, they crushed the dems in November. Wow, what does that say about the dems?

jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

"Wow, what does that say about the dems?"

The same thing it said about the Republicans when the Dems crushed them in Novembers, 2006 and 2008.

That they were in charge.

somedude20 4 years, 5 months ago

says more about the dumb sheep who voted for them....

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 5 months ago

Indeed, this is all Scott Rothschild's fault. Virgil Peck is a victim.

disgustedagain 4 years, 5 months ago

sad. once again KS makes a national news/aggregate site for this kind of remark. just found Mr. Peck's remarks cited at memeorandum.com. the people of SE Kansas deserve better representation.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, but the people of SE Kansas voted this guy into office. If they don't do what is necessary to get him out of office, then they actually do deserve the representation they are getting.

disgustedagain 4 years, 5 months ago

I didn't vote for Brownback but I'm stuck with him anyway. Do I deserve him on that basis? I doubt everyone in SE KS voted for this guy either.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

I'll stand by my statement. If they don't do what is necessary to get him out of office now that they have seen his true colors, then yes, they deserve him.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 5 months ago

Goebbels likened Jews to cockroaches in "Der Ewige Juden". What's the diff? (No, that's not a "Godwin". Look up the definition.)

Bob_Keeshan 4 years, 5 months ago

In the 1880s and 1890s, people from the East Coast and European immigrants traveled to southeast Kansas to work in the coal mines, said coal mine historian William Powell, a retired Pittsburg State University professor. Merchants in Pittsburg advertised in foreign languages to attract immigrant workers..... http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar...

Then, of course, the helicopter was invented and the people of Southeast Kansas killed off all them nasty non-English speakers.

And a good thing they did! Foreign languages being used! Outrageous!

barlowtl 4 years, 5 months ago

Why is it that Arizona recently passed a very strict law on hiring illegals with very harsh penalties for anyone hiring them, EXCEPT for nannys, landscaping, & cleaning. Obviously the Arizona legislators don't want lose their cheap help.

Amy Heeter 4 years, 5 months ago

Vigil sounds like he belongs with the Ron Paul nut farm.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Interesting comment. What about Ron Paul do you not like? I'd be interested in hearing what of his positions you disagree on.

kelku688 4 years, 5 months ago

This is what makes me so tired of Kansas. Our politicians can't even treat everyone as a person. They are trying to treat immigrants as animals. Doesn't seem much further off than slavery to me. Put Brownback and this guy together and you get 100 years regression.

staggerlee 4 years, 5 months ago

They are not just immigrants. They are illegal immigrants, ( infiltrators). If you went to Mexico like that its a felony. Want to spend some time in there version of jail? Now that is inhumane!

They need to grow some wollies, and have a revolution down there.

Mighty7 4 years, 5 months ago

Illegals PAY taxes: They pay all sale taxes and almost 80% of them pay federal and state taxes, even though, because they are illegal they do not get refunds for them:

"According to the IRS, the number of taxpayer-identification numbers assigned annually in the U.S. has risen from 615,414 in 1999 to 1,837,583 in 2009. More than 7.8 million have been distributed in the past five years.

Last year, 2,030,699 tax returns were filed using tax-identification numbers - by both immigrants here legally and undocumented workers."

"One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year."

"t a Congressional hearing in 2006 then IRS Commission Mark Everson told Congress "many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/t...

http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Il...

http://www.truth-out.org/undocumented...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RlWy...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-Illegal-...

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/di...

http://www.urban.org/publications/900...

GOB 4 years, 5 months ago

I am pretty sure you can also find Americans hooking up utilities illegally. Americans driving up the costs to Americans!

JoliAvocat 4 years, 5 months ago

Yet another Republican who thinks it's fine to shoot people. These aren't rodents or cockroaches and I'd bet my life on the fact that Peck's ancestors came through Ellis Island from some foreign land.

He just wants to shut the door now that he's here. Selfish and violent, that's both the RNC and the Tea Party.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Please share your source that indicates that the Republican party or the Tea Party wants to end legal immigration?

There is a huge difference between legal immigration and illegal criminal immigration.

And, as a country with finite resources we should carefully examine immigration to ensure that it best serves our country. Just because immigration was needed in our early days to populate the country, it doesn't mean that we need it at the same level today.

question4u 4 years, 5 months ago

Memo to all businesses considering relocation to Kansas:

Just don't bring any employees with "olive complexions." Connie O'Brien will be able to spot them as foreigners, then Virgil Peck can gun them down. After that Bill Otto will perform a rap and they can all have a good laugh.

These people are representatives! Yes, Kansas is as bigoted as you think.

truman1902 4 years, 5 months ago

Ron White boiled it down to 4 words:::You can't FIX Stupid!

Barbara Emert 4 years, 5 months ago

That is NOT the way most Southeast Kansans talk. Glad he's not mine.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 5 months ago

EVERYone of us posting on this article has said something way out of line at some time in our lives. I've said things as dumb as what this dork said (although not so much at HIS age). The difference is that he STILL doesn't understand that he really MUST apologize.

There are plenty of illegals in Kansas working side-by-side with "legals" on meat-packing plants and construction sites (and other places) all across Kansas. Even if they aren't "legal" and voting, they are a part of our community; whether you like it or not. We need to care about how it is for them to hear someone.

I just hope some nutjob doesn't pull a Dr. Tiller in a Spanish-speaking church or a meat-packing plant, prompted by what this guy is promoting.

"When I was a para students used to shove and push each other all the time. They would always say, "I'm just kidding." They were in middle school."

Exactly. Would we want a man with the insight of a middle-school bully leading our state? It's resignation time.

top_hat 4 years, 5 months ago

"He said most of his constituents are extremely upset with illegal immigration and the state and federal government response."

The people are encouraged to believe that illegal immigrants are their entire problem, everything would be just fine if it weren't for those" illegal immigrants."

It's a lie. Republikons have always invented a scapegoat to encourage the people to hate. Once upon a time it was Jews, then Irishmen, then Italians. Why? Because if their ignorant constituents have a "group" to blame for everything that's wrong, no jobs, no housing, taxes rising then they won't be paying attention to the real evil in the room. Lawmakers taking away their rights, increasing their taxes (so they can give the wealthy tax breaks), denying them services. Take a look at the facts people. Illegal immigrants are such a small drain on the country, it barely shows up. The BIG drains are two useless wars and multiBillion dollar tax breaks for the rich, and this man knows it. He just doesn't want YOU to know it.

kernal 4 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps you give him credit for being smarter than he is?

yankeevet 4 years, 5 months ago

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ivalueamerica 4 years, 5 months ago

There is no good reason this guy is not forced to resign.

seattle7000 4 years, 5 months ago

Interesting. When Rep. Martin Harty (R) joked about sending the mentally disabled off to Siberia so they could save money - he resigned.

State GOP Party Chairman Jack Kimball said Harty's comments were inappropriate and he was satisfied with his decision to quit.

"He failed to represent the sentiments of his constituents and the core values and principles of the Republican Party," Kimball said.

This was handled with class and dignity and will be forgotten in a couple weeks. Also THIS won't drag the whole state GOP down unlike Kansas. And stop bringing up Obama. Until he makes a joke about mass murder - it's not the same. If he does - we can ask for his resignation. These people represent us.

number1jayhawker 4 years, 5 months ago

Obama said "we should tighten the noose on Qaddafi"

and he also said referring to the Japanese, "our alliance is unshakeable".

Talk about being insensitive to others.

Shelley Bock 4 years, 5 months ago

i've just seen where this comment has made the British papers. Peck makes Kansans appear to be ignorant. Maybe he's telling the truth?

I wonder when his comments will hit the late night shows. What good advertisement for our State! Not!

Shardwurm 4 years, 5 months ago

Some of my best friends are feral hogs....and I'm offended by this!

Get over it.

Fact of the matter is that if we had a fence up with guard towers with shoot-to-kill orders we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem. You may not like that or think it's extreme...but that would be the only way to solve it.

As it stands the only solution is to make them citizens and start taxing the living @#%* out of them like the rest of us.

Jacks_Smirking_Revenge 4 years, 5 months ago

And now for something completely different... Does this article seem like it's a run-on? Starting with the paragraph "Colloton said..." thereafter it seems like it is repeating the same information. LJW, did you need filler space?

Today I'm editing like hunters in helicopters. What? Too soon?

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Brownback has weighed in and told Peck to apologize.

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Apparently Peck did as he apologized (sorta).

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

And on what grounds would you recall him? Have you looked at the recall statute - very hard to recall someone unless they commit a crime. Stupidity and incompentence don't justify a recall.

jessanddaron 4 years, 5 months ago

He has the right to his stupid remarks the way his constituents have the right to vote him in/out of office. I guess you really are talking "like a SE Kansan" which is very disappointing for the people of that region if that is, in fact, how they all think.

Corey Keizer 4 years, 5 months ago

To anyone on this post complaining about their jobs being stolen by illegal immigrants from Mexico. We have the same problem here in CA. It's really bad. Trust me, I'd love to hire all American Citizens! So, I figure if we can get enough hard working American Citizens to take the jobs back, we should have no problem. Here's the job description:

You'll be picking strawberries, lettuce and spinach in the central valley for typically 14-16 hour days in open fields through late spring and summer. Temperatures are typically 95-105. This is temporary, and you'll be paid about 6.75 an hour, or whatever minimum wage is these days. We don't offer health insurance or a 401k, but we do provide drinking water. You're responsible for providing your own sun protection, such as hats, sunglasses, etc. I recommend getting a back brace also, since you'll be bent over most of the day. I also suggest a mask of some sort since you'll be coming in contact with a number of dangerous pesticides. Please have reliable transportation. Must be willing to work as a 1099.

Let's get to work America!

Brock Masters 4 years, 5 months ago

Simple solution - guest worker program. I support it.

BTW Corey, if you are the employer, you should be ashamed of yourself for exploiting workers who have no choice because of their illegal immigration status but to accept work under such harsh conditions.

Someone with a heart and soul would provide better working conditions to their employees even if it meant making less of a profit.

And, as an employer, if you knowingly are hiring illegal workers you deserve to be severely penalized, not only for breaking our country's laws, but for offering an incentive for people to risk their lives sneaking into our country. Shame on you.

Corey Keizer 4 years, 5 months ago

Fortunate my friend I am none of those things. In fact I am a legitimate recruiter getting legitimate American Citizens legitimate jobs with benefits.

However, you bring up a great point. Those working conditions are deplorable, and now you know why the "Immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument is so completely ridiculous.

But what I just described is a reality my friend. I drive through the central coast and central valley often here in California and those are the conditions. Whether you are an American or not, that's how it is. To boot, I've met a few of the folks who run some of those family run farms in those areas and they aren't striking it rich. Most are barely scraping by, and many are actually being forced out of business due to the fact that even with the cheap labor they simply can't stay competitive against out of country farming operations. I saw a farmer tearing up an entire 200 acre field of Olive trees last year because he could no longer afford to water them and have them picked and groomed. I saw oranges from Argentina at the store yesterday! And this is in California! We grow our own oranges in our own back yards!

Here's the deal: If you want to have American Workers (Or even a guest worker program, Red Tape adds to that CODB) then as a result you can have expensive food. Or you can get your food from Mexico and the rest of South America. Your choice.

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Ken Lewis 4 years, 5 months ago

Illegal immigration legislatioin will never get any traction in KS because the KS legsilature is all about big business. That is the prejudice that comes with Republican control. They dont care about you except to intrude upon your lifestyle and your bedroom.

Many of these legislators campaigned on "freedom", "civil liberties", "individual liberties", etc. And they will now pull the choppers off the feral hogs and send the choppers in to strape your local strip club or massage parlor with gunfire.

roger9192004 4 years, 5 months ago

so if I suggest let's shoot Kansas legislators from helicopters (and I'm not), can I just say I was joking and that it really just reflects my frustration with the problem of racist legislators? Kansas, as bigoted as you think.

Kontum1972 4 years, 5 months ago

just wait until msnbc gets ahold of the turkey shoot....business....and its not coming from me....they know where we are....

4getabouit 4 years, 5 months ago

If you're not like Virgil Peck you are a "pig." If you're not white and a redneck.........watch your back. The New Kansas.

Get used to it. It's going to get worse.

John McCoy 4 years, 5 months ago

My gosh! Your legislature is as screwy as ours here in Texas is. Ours embarrasses us too. If immigrants were eliminated here in Texas, commerce would just stop. Stores would close, no new construction, no old construction fixed, no new roads, no nothing. If any of them are residents of Texas passing through Kansas, please don't shoot them. They are needed here.

OnlyLawrenceRepublican 4 years, 5 months ago

Remember a few years back when Rep. Peck was talking about shooting dogs? I'll try to find the link.

OnlyLawrenceRepublican 4 years, 5 months ago

I couldn’t find a direct link, but here’s Rep. Peck’s purported quote from 2006.

“My frustration from what I understand about this bill, if you have a dog that you cannot keep it in your proximity or you just decide you want to kill it or dispose of it, country people we just take ‘em out and shoot ‘em.”

“I’ve been known in the past, after several attempts, to just dispose of the dog one way or the ‘nother, well I’m concerned that this may be far reaching, that the fellow, the neighbor gets upset cause his dog comes up missing, I don’t know what happened to it, well I actually do, but, so that’s a little concern I have as a country boy. You know I’m not the one that’s ‘spose to be asking questions you folks are.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=153x4500

Jeremiah Jefferson 4 years, 5 months ago

I think the comment was in poor taste and the guy should have used better judgement. But Im really getting tired of all the frivilous complaints against people who crack a joke about someones race, sexual orientation, religious preference, and so on. As an American, Im entitled to free speech and like it or not, I reserve the right to hate people for what ever reason I feel is the reason to hate them. If its ok to protest at a dead soldiers funeral who has or had nothing to do with the gay rights movement, then it ought to be ok to say what the legislator said. Is that crappy, yes, of course it is and I wouldn't do it. But Im sick of having my rights trampled on just so the minority doesn't get offended.

Carol Bowen 4 years, 5 months ago

Questions:

Is the illegal alien problem an administrative issue or a legislative issue?

What is the motivation behind not enforcing the laws that already exist?

If the legislature writes more laws, who will enforce them?

I think too much time is spent critiquing poor word choices, although I do enjoy the sense of humor some writers use. We should focus on getting results from our state legislature. Has there been any progress on balancing (not gutting) the budget or "creating more jobs"?

Carol Bowen 4 years, 5 months ago

Hello, Seeker. Just putting the questions out there.

stevo1 4 years, 5 months ago

When did we lose our common sense? Our Government, has allowed the invasion of 30 million criminals in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution. they force American tax payers to pay Billions to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders children, free medical care,massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9IGKRzdzZ8&feature=player_embedded .youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xvjTAlo .youtube.com/watch?v=Btj6IeOFkis&feature=player_embedded .immigrationcounters.com/ .ojjpac.org/memorial.asp .immigrationshumancost.org/ .newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty580.htm .youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-8501.html#0-0-0-324 .gopetition.com/petition/40860.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/ http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41045 http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003335.html Every Non-representative including obama and holder should be IMPEACHED! for not upholding the oath of office they swore to defend the Constitution! If these clowns were to do their job, this would all be a Moot point! Anchors and their criminal parents go, period, and cut the phony tears, you knew you were breaking the law when you crossed the border.

Next shut down any business hiring illegal labor and confiscate all property belonging to the owner. Property will be sold at auction and the proceeds to pay for the massive deportation. Oh and owners go to jail. Got a better idea? Lets hear it!

Corey Keizer 4 years, 5 months ago

Are you referring to clause 2?

That's laughable at best... Like Mexicans are some "armed force" violently dismantling this country as we speak.

dougr 4 years, 5 months ago

You must be referring to the corrupt U.S. healthcare system before Obama voted change or maybe you mean, the greedy oil companies; if not its gotta be the extreme Republicans.

Juli3 4 years, 5 months ago

To those of you who insist on defending such hateful remarks by crying "free speech", what you are too stupid to understand that "freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom from responsibility" & it sure as heck does NOT meant "free from critisims or disagreement"
Apparently, you think that you can call for violent assault & cold blooded murder & no one has the right to jump on you for it. Free speach applies to Peck's critics, as well. What part of that do you not grasp?

Juli3 4 years, 5 months ago

To those of you who insist on defending such hateful remarks by crying "free speech", what you are too stupid to understand that "freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom from responsibility" & it sure as heck does NOT meant "free from critisims or disagreement"
Apparently, you think that you can call for violent assault & cold blooded murder & no one has the right to jump on you for it. Free speach applies to Peck's critics, as well. What part of that do you not grasp?

Juli3 4 years, 5 months ago

To those of you who insist on defending such hateful remarks by crying "free speech", what you are too stupid to understand that "freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom from responsibility" & it sure as heck does NOT meant "free from critisims or disagreement"
Apparently, you think that you can call for violent assault & cold blooded murder & no one has the right to jump on you for it. Free speach applies to Peck's critics, as well. What part of that do you not grasp?

dougr 4 years, 5 months ago

Virgil Peck's approach is as old as racism itself. First, say anything that is certain to inflame the masses and incite the ignorant to resent and hate people they don't know. Second, sit back and wait for the attention you don't deserve and otherwise would never get.

You have to give credit to Kansas. Intelligent people in Kansas, in my experience; there are many, don't take the Virgil Peck's of the world seriously.

After Brown v. Board, blacks reclaimed the dignity and respect they deserve. Unfortunately, some Kansans don't get it. No longer having blacks to blame for your failures doesn't give you the right to redirect your post Brown v. Board frustration, prejudices or personal failures at Mexican citizens or legal Mexican Americans.

For countless valid reasons, Mexicans generally are a proud group. Take the emotions out of it. If you hate Mexicans, why do you flock to Mexican restaurants? If you hate brown, why tan? If illegals bother you so much why do your big businesses hire them to do work you won't do and pay them less than they'd pay you? How absurd does it get? How many corporate CEOs are illegal Mexicans? How about accepting responsibility for your lot in life. Blaming any ethnic group for joblessness or one's lot in life reeks of ease, simplicity and a stunning lack of serious effort.

Who led the near economic collapse under George W. Bush, was it illegal Mexicans? Whose lavish spending and out-of-control borrowing has contributed the most to the overall poor condition of the U.S. economy? If we're simple enough to put color to it, its not black, brown or red. So what color is it?

Note: The writer (author) is the son of a decorated thirty-nine year U.S. Army veteran (Korea and Vietnam) Nineteen members of the Rodriguez family are U.S. military veterans, all have been honorably discharged following their military service. Military ranks among the Rodriguez's range from private first class to colonel.

Doug Rodriguez Lawrence, KS

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yourworstnightmare 4 years, 5 months ago

Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC was trying to square Peck's murderous comments with his staunch pro-life stance.

O'Donnell reasoned that Peck might suggest that if the "feral hog" is pregnant, aim for the head.

Celimonster 4 years, 1 month ago

I would love to see you white redneck trash who agree with this bigot, do back breaking labor for little pay. First of all, acting high and mighty doesn't do you very well. Illegals come here to have a better life for them and their children. You people act like they come here to make your life miserable. Im sure if it was easier for them to legally be here, they would do it. They don't plan on spending YEARS on the waiting list to receive a passport to be here. Second, what jobs are being stolen that are oh so important?! Are they CEO's? Presidents of companies? I suggest you greedy pigs get an education to get a better job. You find any reason to whine and complain. OH boo hoo this brown skinned person does a much better job than me and get's paid less, im going to rant on the internet about how unfair it is. FYI illegals pay taxes, and don't receive squat back.

Quit whining.

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