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Rhetorical truce may be short-lived

January 15, 2011

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The Tucson shootings were a tragedy in every respect.

First, the shooter obviously was sick, and it is difficult to understand why someone did not only spot his behavior but also take action. This, in itself, is a puzzle.

There is no way to adequately express the tragedy and consequences of the loss of lives, totally innocent individuals.

Within hours of the shooting, the finger-pointing started with so-called knowledgeable observers and pundits claiming conservative talk radio commentators and even Sarah Palin were responsible for creating the shooter’s anger.

In addition to a federal judge being killed, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords survived being shot in the head and now is showing almost unbelievable progress although doctors warn she still is in critical condition and faces a long and tough recovery.

This part of the overall story — the fight by Rep. Giffords — provides one small opportunity for hope and inspiration in an overall tragic and deadly incident.

Next came the memorial service where President Obama delivered a fine message urging Americans to honor those slain and injured by the shootings by becoming better people and talking with one another “in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds.”

But after the five days of mourning, finger-pointing, trying to figure out what caused the young man to do what he did, the injection of partisan political rhetoric into the national question of why this happened and messages from the president and other political leaders, what is likely to happen?

Hopefully, there will be an easing of the bitter, hurtful and angry attacks on individuals, whether they are directed at President Obama and those who favor his political agenda or those in the Obama camp blaming former President George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin for the angry mood that permeates the country today.

There may be an armistice or truce, for a period, but it’s likely the political war will resume fairly soon.

Democrats were shocked at what happened in the recent midterm elections, the loss of their majority in the U.S. House, their shrinking hold on the Senate, the loss of many governorships, larger GOP majorities in state legislatures and the falling favorable poll numbers for the president. They will do almost anything to stop this erosion of public support that could lead to Obama being a one-term president.

Republicans have been invigorated by their November 2010 gains and now are intent on renewing and strengthening their efforts to continue this massive political shift in November 2012, only 22 months away.

Through numerous polls, the public has shown it is disappointed, confused or mad about many “changes” Obama has pressed through Congress. Obama had campaigned on openness, transparency and bipartisanship, but there have been few examples of such actions during his first two years in office.

Democratic attacks on Bush 43 have been constant since he moved into the Oval Office and continue today. They have been mean-spirited, personal, crude and hateful.

Likewise, the conservative radio talk show people have been tough on Obama, but perhaps have not been as personal in their attacks as have those in the Democratic camp in their 10-year rant against Bush.

One of the major factors that triggered much of the dislike or mistrust of Obama was his many grand-sounding and welcome pledges to make substantial and meaningful changes in the way Washington does business and how the business of the White House would be conducted.

The only change that really has taken place is in the way he jammed legislation down the throats of Congress and the public, increased the national debt, used executive actions and increased government’s role in private business. There has been very little transparency, openness and bipartisanship.

With the election only 22 months away, there’s a good chance Obama will change his raw, bare-knuckled political approach in an effort to soften his image and look like a president reaching out to work with the GOP. How long this approach will last is questionable.

Republicans are sure to call attention to the “changes” initiated by Obama and question whether they have been good or bad for the country. Unemployment numbers are likely to remain high, and forecasts call for even greater numbers of home foreclosures. They will say the economic situation is worse today than it was when Obama moved into the White House and that he has not fulfilled the pledges he made during his first presidential campaign.

How will the Tucson shooting affect the next 22 months of desperate Democratic efforts to bounce back from the 2010 elections? And how will the GOP structure its efforts to oust Obama and gain numbers in the House and Senate?

How will Democrats try to counter the tea party efforts? How long will Democrats use their hatred of Bush as a means to energize their campaign workers and contributors?

Neither those in the Republican nor Democratic trenches want to be portrayed as breaking any truce that may have come about due to the Tucson shootings, but, chances are, hard-hitting attacks will emerge within a short time.

It’s a massive political war with huge stakes on the outcome. The verbal bullets are bound to start flying sometime soon as memories and nice-sounding pledges begin to fade.

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scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

"Within hours of the shooting, the finger-pointing started with so-called knowledgeable observers and pundits claiming conservative talk radio commentators and even Sarah Palin were responsible for creating the shooter’s anger."

Not quite. Right wing hate radio propaganda and Sarah Palin were (accurately) decried for EXPLOITING the anger and INCITING dangerous behavior. I do not recall the more outrageous claim that the right wing acts created the shooter's anger.

fundamental 3 years, 11 months ago

"I do not recall the more outrageous claim that the right wing acts created the shooter's anger."

Looks like somebody wasn't paying attention.

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scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

"Likewise, the conservative radio talk show people have been tough on Obama, but perhaps have not been as personal in their attacks as have those in the Democratic camp in their 10-year rant against Bush."

"Perhaps." Indeed.

Why, I wonder, would any thinking person believe a single thing this editorial writer has to say after the whopper quoted above?

The usual sycophants, I suppose, will pledge their allegiance to the right wing talking point. How many normal citizens will allow such a lie to stand? It will be interesting to see how this discussion develops.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

"One of the major factors that triggered much of the dislike or mistrust of Obama was his many grand-sounding and welcome pledges to make substantial and meaningful changes in the way Washington does business and how the business of the White House would be conducted."

Perhaps.

Another was the right wing campaign of disinformation orchestrated by a corporate captured and controlled media which worked to secure right wing gains in the midterms in order to preserve their middle class killing bush tax cuts.

Another was 30 years of right wing assault on public education and the creation of a citizenry too stupid to understand how those few able to purchase influence in Congress are stealing them blind. Or at least too stupid so far to rebel against the abuse.

olddognewtrix 3 years, 11 months ago

A great thing about owning one's own daily newspaper--one can write shallow,biased editorials that contribute little to progress

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

"It’s a massive political war with huge stakes on the outcome. The verbal bullets are bound to start flying sometime soon as memories and nice-sounding pledges begin to fade."

Wow! Just "Wow!"

Even for Dolph this is an outrageous low.

In the message he chose to publish the weekend after the attempted assassination of a Congress woman he decided to use "bullets" imagery in his big payoff line.

Congratulations. The whole editorial to that point was typical Dolph partisan whining, but with this move he's neatly matched Sarah Palin levels of inappropriate self pity and damaging and careless rhetoric. Well done, sir, you've advanced the interests of your political party. Good for all to see, yet again, where your loyalties lie.

What kind of person uses "bullets" imagery in such an editorial today?

Yuck, I need a shower.

We all do after reading this.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

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scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

"One of the major factors that triggered much of the dislike or mistrust of Obama was his many grand-sounding and welcome pledges to make substantial and meaningful changes..."

So the distrust arose from his welcome pledges. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 11 months ago

Maybe you are Dolph and we don't know it. You certainly sound like you come from inherited wealth and you obviously don't have to work for a living.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

It would be better if you simply stopped posting such vitriolic hate-filled posts.

voevoda 3 years, 11 months ago

"Rhetorical truce may be short-lived." "...it's likely that the political war will resume fairly soon." How true, Mr. Simons; you resumed the political war yourself in the very next paragraph! There, you claimed that the Democrats "will do almost anything." And then soon after, you characterized the duly enacted (and quite limited) health insurance reform "jammed down the throats of Congress and the public," and accused President Obama of a "raw, bare-knuckled political approach." That kind of demonizing language is intended to exacerbate political rancor and inhibit civil discourse and compromise. And you falsely claimed that it was the Democrats who started the vituperation, expressing "hatred" for George W. Bush. That's patently untrue. In the 1990s, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, & Co. were already riling up the right with incendiary language and outright lies. Nasty political rhetoric goes back to ancient Greece. Even in the US, you should look at the rhetoric of the 19th century, particularly in the 1840s and 1850s, and ponder the result. In fact, Democrats didn't "hate" Bush; they thought him incompetent. And for good reason. It was his administration that transformed budget surpluses into huge government debt. It was his administration that enacted "homeland security" measures that increased government scrutiny and intrusion into the lives of the citizens. It was his administration that entered into the purposeless war in Iraq. It was his administration that permitted the outsourcing of American jobs to foreign countries. It was his administration that oversaw the transfer of wealth to the rich, away from the working poor and the middle class. It was his administration that eliminated key regulations of the financial markets, and it was under his administration that they collapsed. President Obama has had only two years to correct the errors of the previous eight, and then on top of that to enact "meaningful change." The Republican Party refused to help, even when his plans had originally been proposed by Republicans. Meanwhile, the ultra-right-wing pundits incessantly riled up their followers with incendiary rhetoric and outright lies, threatening not only Democrats but also moderate Republicans. If you truly want to keep "verbal bullets" from flying, Mr. Simons, I suggest that you start with more considered editing of your own words.

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voevoda 3 years, 11 months ago

BornAgainAmerican, On a forum yesterday, you demanded four times that I agree with your position, each time casting personal aspersions on me personally and heaping ridicule on me. Insofar as you speak for the right, you have demonstrated through your own postings where the greater fault lies.

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beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

When the first remarks were made about the incivility in our national debates, of people on radio and television who are paid to stir the pot, I don't believe it was linked to just one side. Palin, however, is a high profile figure who did have a map with crosshairs on it, which included Giffords's district. That is a coincidence that makes the map worth discussing. Crosshairs on a map of someone who has been shot isn't just a forget about it moment. Democrats have done similar things and been just as stupid, but apparently none have the high profile of Palin. Remember, of her own choosing she is no longer a governor, she is a national figure. She has set herself up that way, and she gets greater attention because of it.

"Likewise, the conservative radio talk show people have been tough on Obama, but perhaps have not been as personal in their attacks as have those in the Democratic camp in their 10-year rant against Bush."

I would argue that it is at least as ugly as the rants against Bush. Since even before he took office, Obama has been attacked. It is personal to call someone a Socialist, to inaccurately describe his legislation as creating "death panels," to question his faith and/or religion, to claim he isn't even American or carry or broadcast images of him with a Hitler mustache. These are personal. You can't celebrate a congressman yelling "You lie!" from the House floor without it being personal.

Admit that both sides are equally responsible for personal attacks. Otherwise, any attacks against the new House speaker can be justified by comparing to the personal attacks made against the last speaker of the House. Will that make us better as a nation?

If we are to take anything away from this call for greater civility in our national discussions, we can't try to say one side only is the victim. Both sides have done similar things. We should think, "Have I made personal attacks against someone just because they have a different political view?" If the answer is yes, as it is with me, then try to change that. Too many of us are guilty. Time to quit pointing fingers at people pointing fingers and just look within. I'm trying to think, "Can I be better to others?" For me, that answer is a simple "yes."

As far as the general claim here that the Democrats are apparently attempting to use this for political gain, that is just off base and doesn't really warrant a response.

For a change, can we begin to discuss policies without defending or attacking a party? There is nothing wrong with calls for civility, as long as the loudest call is to look within.

verity 3 years, 11 months ago

Well said. We all need to start by examining ourselves. Kind of hard to do.

Olympics 3 years, 11 months ago

Scott, thanks for breaking down this editorial.

And Junior Dolph:

"The only change that really has taken place is in the way he jammed legislation down the throats of Congress and the public, increased the national debt, used executive actions and increased government’s role in private business. There has been very little transparency, openness and bipartisanship."

This paragraph demonstrates your complete lack of credibility. Want to play compare and contrast the legislative activities of the last couple of presidents? You can't do it with a straight face.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

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Olympics 3 years, 11 months ago

It must suck to live life being so afraid.

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals http://www.sciencemag.org/content/321/5896/1667.abstract

Now go head down to the gun range with your extended bullet clip and practice. Behind every shadow lurks a bolshevik!!!

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I like some of his points.

But his own language is an example of the problem - when he discusses the "political war".

It seems to me that we should consider whether military language and imagery is the best way to discuss politics.

voevoda 3 years, 11 months ago

BornAgainAmerican, I would like it if you would maintain civil discourse. On Friday and Saturday, you repeatedly harangued me with loaded rhetorical questions and heaped personal abuse and ridicule on me. Will you pledge not to repeat such behavior again?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I have been calling for discussion rather than name-calling for a long time.

Many on the right have not been interested in that, either on these comments or on the national level.

I haven't chosen to use that as a reason to devolve to the sort of personal insults and attacks that I dislike - I'd urge you to consider maintaining your own standards.

If you think that the left is the only side that uses things for political gain, and acts foolishly, then I think you're not seeing things clearly. And, many on the left are frightened and appalled by the behavior of those on the right.

None of this is a good reason, in my opinion, for replacing discussion and debate of the issues with personal attacks and name-calling - it's worse than useless because it doesn't help us solve any problems, and in fact creates a new set of them.

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

That is right Mr. Simons, "don't retreat, reload!", "take your country back" because " you're either with us or against us". Your editorials are obviously inspired by " intelligence on loan from God".

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

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Sunny Parker 3 years, 11 months ago

Poor, Poor, Leftwingers...Keep loving your 'community organizer'.

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

"community organizer"? - Oh, Barack Obama, President of the United States. Elected by the people to the highest office in the nation. We will "keep loving" Barack, since there is not a credible or palatable alternative. Your pity for "leftwingers" is ten years too late. We are not suffering as much since Bush left office. But if you care to feel sorry for us surrounded by gun-toting conservatives in a red state with a "gift from God" republican governor. That would be totally understandable.

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

Sunny, are you opposed to doing things for your community?

pace 3 years, 11 months ago

One of Giffords' favorite charities now has a special fund,Those wishing to donate can log on to: www.communityfoodbank.org . I thought it was nice of the family to direct support for them in this way. It is the old neighborly, bringing a dish to the family, in this case to the community table. I feel that any donation to local food banks in honor of her service and in reaction to the attack would be appropriate. I felt a need to do something useful in reaction to this hateful act.

kernal 3 years, 11 months ago

I've been thinking about this every since the day the Tucson shootings took place. The rhetorical bs is not just the Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, et al, but also those of us who comment on-line. Whether it be commenters on LJW, Fox, CNN or Huffington Post , there seems to be more cyber-bullying, threats, anger and misinformed statements than real dialogue.

Perhaps part of the solution is for all on-line news sites to do away with the commenters section. If someone has something to say they feel is really important, they can write letters to the editors, as people have in the past, or blog. Or, just do away with the anonymity.

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beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

Kernal, you are correct that too many from all walks of life are responsible for the ugly rhetoric. However, I disagree with your suggestion of doing away with the comments section. Instead, just choose to no longer take part in the ugly rhetoric yourself, as others have stated they will do. I can't be responsible for the way others comment, but I can control what I write. If enough of us do this, who knows, it just might work.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

"Or, just do away with the anonymity." You are free to post your name at any time.

pace 3 years, 11 months ago

One of Giffords' favorite charities now has a special fund,Those wishing to donate can log on to: www.communityfoodbank.org . I thought it was nice of the family to direct support for them in this way. It is the old neighborly, bringing a dish to the family, in this case to the community table. I feel that any donation to local food banks in honor of her service and in reaction to the attack would be appropriate. I felt a need to do something useful in reaction to this hateful act.

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

Thank you! It is like they don't even hear themselves. Creepy.

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Jonathan Kealing 3 years, 11 months ago

Let's try this again without the incessant bickering with each other.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 11 months ago

"Likewise, the conservative radio talk show people have been tough on Obama, but perhaps have not been as personal in their attacks..." What you mean Glenn Beck's attack on Malia Obama wasn't "personal"?

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

Darn, I missed it. I thought watching football more important. Seems to be a lot censoring. Maybe it would've been best to censor the Dolph editorial in the first place?

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

Not bad, but a little weak in comparison to the conservative Tea Party types . I would love to point out how but have been censored enough today. All we are saying is the preponderence of hate speech and armed intimidation is coming from the conservative side. The DHS warned about right-wing extremism being a threat, the "lone wolf" jacked up with fear of tyranny and anti-government notions. Congresswoman Giffords warned us about "consequences" for targeting congressional districts by Sarah Palin. No one is being blamed or should be for the shooting except the shooter. But this hateful climate that has developed around the POTUS and libs by reactionary conservatives in the last two years is like none that I can recall since the sixties-seventies. It is not helpful. "Mentally unstable" americans that can easily buy guns but can't get mental health services in such a climate is a bad recipe. So while we may never agree about who is worse, can we agree to challenge the extremists on both sides? I promise to challenge the "9/11 truthers", maybe you would challenge the "birthers" or perhaps stop coming to political rallies armed?

Kathy Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

Dr. Walt Menniger weighs in on the similarities of today's vitriolic political rhetoric and the climate of the 60's - a good read for those who take seriously the affect one's actions have on others. http://cjonline.com/news/2011-01-15/menninger-rhetoric-revives-68-flashback

'"Menninger said Kansas isn’t immune to the political rhetoric, polarization and "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude that led up to the Arizona shootings.

"We will see it in this state," he said. "We'll see some people with lifestyle issues and because they have a majority they think they can force these values on the whole society."'

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 11 months ago

As opposed to the right wing agenda that was crammed down our throats for the past forty years, the last eight of which left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and left our economy in a shambles. Oh and let's not forget fighting an unnecessary war that's killed thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. But then I guess "collateral damage" is just peachy ok with you.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 11 months ago

As opposed to the right wing agenda that was crammed down our throats for the past forty years, the last eight of which left this country deeper in debt than it's ever been and left our economy in a shambles. Oh and let's not forget fighting an unnecessary war that's killed thousands of American troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. But then I guess "collateral damage" is just peachy ok with you.

Kathy Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

No, I bleieve he was speaking of the "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude such as yours.

Kathy Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

I thought I made it clear that Dr. Walt's take on this was a good read for those who take personal responsibility seriously. If you are the type of person that tends to make questionable choices and blame it on someone else, you are off the hook! No worries.

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scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

And what to make of incessant censorship?

Hoping my next exchange with you, BAA, will be deemed sufficiently unbickery and in keeping with the tastes and mores of our keepers on this award winning forum.

Happy, happy smiley faces for everyone........

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

Since the current regime moved into 1600 Penn Ave., Cindy Sheehan seems to no longer be the darling of the MSM. Perhaps they'll give Eric Fuller the absolute moral authority card and designate him the national scold. Next December he can camp in a ditch outside the vacation compound of Dear Leader. Won't that be jolly fun?

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

How many times have you been shot at a political event?

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

I (heart) ag when he/she/it gets all snakry and stuff.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

ag, did somebody jam your "bicker" switch in the overdrive position?

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

One might say it is stuck in incessant mode......

Just saying, no bickering intended....

Happy, happy smiley faces for everyone....

Kathy Getto 3 years, 11 months ago

Whatever happened to your respect for a disabled vet? I am shocked that you would wish this on one of our unsung heroes.

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

I do find it interesting what Roger Ailes, president of FoxNews had to say on this subject: “I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually,” Mr. Ailes said. “You don’t have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that.” http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/ailes-to-fox-anchors-tone-it-down/?scp=5&sq=call%20for%20civility%20foxnews&st=cse

By claiming "I hope the other side does that," is he openly admitting what we already know, which is that FoxNews takes sides in presenting the news? Instead of toning down a side, why don't news channels just commit to giving the news?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Actually, the more interesting part of that is that he wants his channel to be less bombastic, which is a good thing.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

In other news: "...Apparently, Eric Fuller wanted the news to be able to write an honest headline with both “Tea Party” and “death threat” in it.

After a solid week of diligent effort, our friends in the liberal media finally got what they wanted: a mentally unbalanced man, clearly influenced by uncivil rhetoric regarding the Tea Party, lashed out at a political opponent. Unfortunately for them, it was their rhetoric. The target of the death threat was someone they unfairly maligned. Will our moral, ethical, and intellectual superiors in the media accept responsibility?

Just kidding. This MSM kangaroo court hasn’t worked out the way they’d hoped, so it’s time to bury the story. You were useful for a day or so, Eric Fuller, but now you’ve imperiled the narrative. You’re no longer of any value to them, so you’ll find that you do bear responsibility for your own actions after all. You’re on your own..."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/16/theres-more-evidence-that-the-liberal-media-influenced-eric-fuller-than-there-is-that-palin-influenced-jared-loughner/#ixzz1BEvkBWPE

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Well, there's the message he put in writing to her:

“Sarah, as you know, peace is always the answer,” he said he wrote in his email to her. “I know you’re feeling the same heat — if not much more — on this. I want you to know you have my support. But please look into protection for your family. An attempt on you could bring the republic down.”

Damning by faint praise, if you ask me.

Happy, happy smiley faces for everyone.....

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

If you were shot at a political event in a charged up atmosphere like Tuscon, how might you react? Ghandi like? Just kidding.

Daniel Dicks 3 years, 11 months ago

Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today

Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one

-John Lennon

meggers 3 years, 11 months ago

Mr. Simons,

Your headline should not be phrased as a foregone conclusion. Perhaps our politics AND our media should be as good as Christina imagined them.

Your words do nothing to further that goal.

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