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Letters to the Editor

Voting ideas

October 24, 2010

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To the editor:

Kris Kobach and Sam Brownback believe voters are unsound thinkers who can’t remember two good ideas at once (Journal-World, Oct. 18). The two good ideas are:

• The right to vote should not be obstructed — which K&B want us to forget,

• Voter fraud is wrong — which K&B take to extremes.

What any sound thinker understands is:

• We need to keep burdens on voters low, without unduly facilitating fraud.

• We need to prevent fraud, without unduly burdening the right to vote.

K&B’s thinking is unsound and extreme because:

• They keep pushing schemes making it harder to vote — but never tell us how many legitimate voters their schemes will obstruct.

• They have no sound evidence of voter fraud.

• They have lots of unsound evidence — cases that never led to fraud convictions.

• To make unsound evidence look sound, they claim prosecutors aren’t doing their job.

• They propose unsound solutions that can’t possibly make prosecutors do any better.

K&B’s favorite proposal is voter ID: forcing people who want to vote, but lack picture IDs because they are old, poor, have disabilities or lack transportation, to spend their limited time, money and physical effort getting IDs.

That’s unsound because:

• Voter ID won’t obstruct voter fraud. Ask any bartender how hard it is to get phony IDs.

• Voter ID will obstruct voting by people who are old, poor, less educated or have disabilities.

Not coincidentally, many of them are Independents and Democrats.

And since when do conservatives support big government universal ID schemes?

Comments

TinkyWinky 3 years, 5 months ago

Eh oh Potentate Obama,

In a speech today to Americans of Latino heritage, Obama referred to half of the electorate as the "enemies".

I believe this will become a big issue, the MSM has not broadcast the audio recording but it is on the only news network, FOX.

The Potentate reveals roots of tyranny.

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Benjamin Roberts 3 years, 5 months ago

If photo ID becomes law ... can we use are LJWorld avatars?

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TinkyWinky 3 years, 5 months ago

I like Kobach, his personal agenda is his public agenda. If it weren't we would probably not know what his personal agenda was. The guy has laid it all out there for the world to see. He is open, speaks to the media, writes papers, writes columns, and is so transparent that it would be refreshing to see the Potentate Obama keep his promise and do the same.

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TPowell78 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm not voting for Kobach because I think he puts his personal agenda ahead of his public service agenda, but I will say photo ID at the polls doesn't seem that unreasonable. Photo ID to board a plane, photo ID to buy certain medicines, but no ID needed to vote? Doesn't make sense to me.

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independent_rebel 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm curious about something. Those who are against voters showing photo id's like to point out that there is little evidence of voter fraud to begin with.

I'm curious if the reason wed on't see as much fraud as is probable is due to the ease to commit fraud in the first place udner the lax system currently in place.

In other words, those commiting the fraud haven't been caught.

Fraud is out there.

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Stain 3 years, 5 months ago

Sam Brownback was a Bush lapdog and Bush enabler who never opposed Bush on anything.

When he speaks to voters, he sounds like a career politician - a master of speaking on and on while saying nothing. He never gives any specifics about HOW he is going to perform the magic. And he must use magic instead of math, to figure out how he is going to fix everything while cutting taxes and cutting spending. He's going to gut education, so only the rich will have educated kids.

It makes me positively ill that he is going to be our governor. God help Kansas.

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JHOK32 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm a sound thinker...................how about this one for size: Sam Brownback wants to take away all of the health benefits for the poor & most neediest 200,000 Kansans, because he doesn't want to pay taxes for those no-good loafers, yet it's OK for US to pay HIS health insurance & HIS family's health insurance................what a two-faced hypocrite bigot!! He's the biggest moocher of them all! I say we throw the bum out on the street homeless with no health insurance & no job & see how much of an "unsound thinker" he is!!!

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notajayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

BTW, Mr. Burress, is it 'sound thinking' to wait until there is actually evidence that an election result was changed by voter fraud before taking reasonable preventative steps?

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notajayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

"Kris Kobach and Sam Brownback believe voters are unsound thinkers"

Um, no. It's actually YOU who think voters are unsound thinkers. Your entire letter is based on the typical liberal elitist dogma that if we support Republican candidates, then we just must not be as gosh dang smart as you are.

"They keep pushing schemes making it harder to vote"

Hmmm. And yet there has been absolutely no evidence - none whatsoever - that a single person has been caused any undue hardship to vote in states that instituted a voter ID law. Imagine that.

Seems any sound thinker would have known that.

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kansastruthteller 3 years, 5 months ago

I pasted a table that shows the states that require photo ID and just an ID to vote. If obstruction is a legitimate issue then it should be simple to provide supporting data since some states already require an ID.

You might notice that Kansas requires no ID.

New York is currently investigating voter fraud. Is Kansas somehow protected from voter fraud? I doubt it. So, for less than $20 anyone can get a photo ID. Many organizations bus voters to the polls so I suspect they would be willing to take those without transportation to get an ID and I bet they'd be willing to pay for the ID too.

So, requiring an ID does not prevent people from voting. And, it will help deter voter fraud which everyone should support regardless of how prevelant it currently is. Any voter fraud is too much for me.

Table 1: State Requirements for Voter Identification

States that Request or Require Photo ID

States that Require ID (Photo not Required)

Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Indiana Louisiana Michigan South Dakota

Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Colorado Connecticut Delaware Kentucky Missouri

Montana North Dakota Ohio South Carolina Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia Washington

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

Neither Kobach nor Brownback are really at all concerned about voter fraud, nor are they concerned with preventing it (since they know that it doesn't really happen, and therefore doesn't need preventing.)

What they want is distraction from important issues, which doesn't happen to include voter fraud, while playing off the unfounded fears that they have helped to create.

And they've succeeded.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Actually Brownback wants a voter ID Card = dumb and reckless spending.

This could also be more rhetoric to distract voters from the fact that republican history of the last 30 years is rotten to the core. The most corrupt and largest spending party of all times.

No party in the history of America has put more people out of work,out of medical insurance,ruined retirement plans, sent the nations economy down the tube twice all by way of defrauding financial institutions.

Voter ID cards will not prevent voter fraud which makes Brownbacks thinking a load of crap.

Hell he was in Washington D.C. for 16 years and did nothing to prevent or stop the Bush/Cheney fraud which begs the question what in the hell was Brownback and Moran doing.... not paying attention? This activity was ongoing for a few years.

"Yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities(Bush admin) ignoring their regulatory responsibilities." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

Yes David Burress is correct on all points....

A. Voter fraud is not a problem B. Special Voter ID cards will not prevent voter fraud

People counterfeit money everyday....

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

Kobach is a prime example of being on the recieving end of "Rules for Radicals" nuts: Isolate and attempt to destroy the opponent by whatever means.

Our current Blamer in Chief is a master of this technique.

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Mike Ford 3 years, 5 months ago

the archie bunkers have spoken in disapproval of intelligent statements. What else would one expect of shewmon, moocher, tinky dinky, excedera. Bullies don't like intellect, they like bullying. Like Bryllocreme and Kommandant Kobach the archie bunkers don't like facts or intellectual statements. The archies like being led by the flute of the no real message people. Too bad the rest of Kansas is like a feudal serfdom of people who like to follow hollow campaign issues and vote for the pipers. Nothing's wrong with Kansas.... oh no.... nothing....

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

A Kansas state drivers license or a Kansas State ID card are available as we speak. What more could we want?

Kobach and Brownback want to spend more tax dollars for no reason aka reinventing a wheel.

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PROAMERICA 3 years, 5 months ago

David Burress it's always an experience to read your letters because it just shows each time how stupid and mean you far left idiots really are!!

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Benjamin Roberts 3 years, 5 months ago

"Voter ID won’t obstruct voter fraud. Ask any bartender how hard it is to get phony IDs." You do register to vote and the ID can be checked against that registration. One does not have to register to drink - they simply prove they are over 21.

"Voter ID will obstruct voting by people who are old, poor, less educated or have disabilities. Not coincidentally, many of them are Independents and Democrats."

If "many" is the quantifier; then "many more" are conservatives and Republicans. Further, there is no indication that being old, poor, less educated, or disabled makes one less photogenic.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

Al Franken has voter fraud to thank for his goofy self being in the US senate. What a travesty.

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Centerville 3 years, 5 months ago

If Brownback doesn't want me to vote, why did he send me an advance ballot application - with easy to follow, non-partisan instructions?

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gilly 3 years, 5 months ago

The biggest voter fraud was Bush v. Gore. Did anyone ask the Supreme Court justices to provide special identification cards when they disenfranchised the American populace?

David's logic is sound. The above commenters are railing at nothing.

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TinkyWinky 3 years, 5 months ago

Eh oh Tom,

Very weak letter with no facts, no sources, and we should just listen to David. He is spouting off against K&B and he is doing the same thing.

David? You use the term "schemes" when in fact they are processes. These processes proposed by Professor Kris Kobach are methods proven by other states, tested prinicples and legally sound. The Supreme court upheld the legality of the Voter ID Law: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/

24 states require voter identification. It is a sound principle, it is proven to work, it is the will of the people, not a "scheme". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/04/29/GR2008042900352.html

"Voter fraud is wrong — which K&B take to extremes." So you are saying not every vote counts and if one or two votes are fraudulent then its ok. What about 5 or 6 bad votes, 20 or 30? When do you arbitrarily draw the line? When the election is won by 1 vote then is 1 or 2 fraudulent votes extremely serious? We don't need to spend money on the 'Get Out the Vote Campaigns' because votes don't matter.

David, go back, reflect upon what you have written. Reconsider your flawed letter and flawed concept. Rewrite it and submit it in the comments section.

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 5 months ago

What any sound thinker understands is: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Is the LTE writer including himself in this statement?

You have to have an ID to get welfare, SS, Disability, etc... so what is the problem with needing one to vote?

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