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Nobody’s home: Fans flee scene of latest KU setback

Kansas backup quarterback Kale Pick throws an incomplete pass before the backdrop of sparsely populated seats during the fourth quarter Saturday, Oct. 23, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas backup quarterback Kale Pick throws an incomplete pass before the backdrop of sparsely populated seats during the fourth quarter Saturday, Oct. 23, 2010 at Kivisto Field.

October 24, 2010


Football highlights: KU vs. Texas A&M

KU lost its third straight game on Saturday against Texas A&M. The Jayhawks managed to score more than seven points for the first time in those three weeks. Enlarge video

It was a homecoming game in which everybody went home. At this rate, there’s no guarantee they’ll be coming back.

The Kansas University football team suffered its third straight embarrassing beating Saturday night, this time a 45-10 laugher at the hands of struggling Texas A&M.; By the end, it looked as if the university might have changed one of its school colors to silver, as the glare of Memorial Stadium’s empty seats looked more suited to surrounding a scrimmage than an actual college football contest.

“You can talk about the crowd all you want,” senior Olaitan Oguntodu said when searching for answers after last week’s 59-7 loss to Kansas State. “They appreciate the hard work that we put in, and that’s the most they can do. Fans are fans, and when we play our butts off, they cheer for us. That’s their role. When we play our butts off, they’re in the stands, and they make that place as loud as it can be. The rest is on us.”

Like the two routs that came before it, Kansas’ most recent loss featured a KU team struggling to score, fighting off untimely miscues and searching for answers.

“We had turnovers, then we had some unforced penalties,” Kansas coach Turner Gill said. “I think those are the two big factors (that hurt) when we had an opportunity to put the ball in the end zone and didn’t do that.”

Despite the end result being what people have become used to seeing, the Jayhawks actually were in this one for a while.

Trailing, 17-3, KU (2-5 overall, 0-3 Big 12) got back into the game with 10:35 to play in the second quarter. Quarterback Jordan Webb hit tight end Tim Biere on two straight passes to pull KU within a touchdown. A few minutes later, with A&M; leading 24-10, the Jayhawks again looked poised to cut the deficit to a single score. But then disaster struck. And it stuck around the rest of the night.

A pass from Webb toward the end zone was intercepted by A&M;’s Dustin Harris and returned 83 yards. Four plays later, the Aggies punched it in and took a 31-10 lead into the half.

“There’s plays out there, where if they just went our way it could’ve been a different game,” senior Jake Laptad said.

Be that as it may, even those were few and far between. The rest of the night was a mere formality, as the Aggies continued to pile up the yards and touchdowns, and the Jayhawks continued to self destruct.

Another example came midway through the second quarter when the KU defense followed up Biere’s touchdown with a spirited stop. One problem: On the third-down incompletion from A&M; quarterback Ryan Tannehill, Laptad was flagged for roughing the passer. Four plays later it was 24-10.

“That was a tough one for us,” Laptad said. “Because if we could’ve got off the field and got our offense on the field, that would’ve been a good momentum swing for us.”

Despite the mistakes, Gill never questioned his team’s desire.

“I thought the guys played with effort. I don’t think it was an issue of effort,” Gill said. “We just didn’t make enough plays. That’s what’s happening. The other team is making the plays, and we’re not.”

The previous two beatdowns may have been more embarrassing, but this one definitely was more costly. In addition to losing Webb, the starting quarterback, to a shoulder injury just before halftime, the Jayhawks also lost backup QB Kale Pick to a concussion in the fourth quarter.

That sent sophomore receiver D.J. Beshears to quarterback for half a series, as Gill elected to go with the playmaker in the Wildcat formation before giving way to third-string quarterback Quinn Mecham.

Gill did not know the outlook for his top two quarterbacks following the game.

“Oh, it’s tough. A loss hurts,” Gill said. “And it’s tough to try to come back and do it week after week after week. It takes its toll. I know we’re all human beings, and it hurts, and there’s frustration.”

Biere agreed, but said the team was trying to remain positive.

“It’s been a tough three weeks,” he said. “But there’s better days ahead. It’s a low point, but we can only go up from here. It’s just a terrible feeling, as much as most of us have dedicated to this program, to see it like this right now.”

Added Quigley: “We’re still not out of it, as bad as it looks.”


Steve Jacob 7 years ago

OMG, nothing burns me up more then 20 yard FG's in the first quarter. Yes, you get three points, but you give up 20-30 yards in field position (in this case 38) knowing your kicking off into the wind. Less risky then going for a 4 and 1 at your own 29 a few minutes later.

del888 7 years ago

Mangino was a great coach. If you think he was 'mean', then you shouldn't be playing football. Football is a violent sport and violent people play it.

puddleglum 7 years ago

del888, I think corky was being pretty sarcastic.

danemary 7 years ago

We have Perkins to thank!** 10 MILLION DOLLARS for what?

fu7il3 7 years ago

Texas A&M is the worst team in the Big 12 South and they dropped fifty on us. Can't wait to see what OSU, Nebraska, and Missouri are going to do.

Danimal 7 years ago

Mangino would've won because when all else failed he would've eaten the opposing team.

JustNoticed 7 years ago

This is a golden opportunity for KU to get rid of football.

neo_star 7 years ago

I'm a Univ. of Denver grad and we dumped football in 1961; now have 7 NCAA hockey national championships to show for it. Hockey anyone?

kujayhawk7476 7 years ago

This is very sad. The biggest question my mind is, does the chancellor care that our football team has a lack of speed and talent and the coaching staff seems unable to get these kids organized and prepared?

yankeevet 7 years ago

what coaching staff? u mean those zombies they call coaches???????

Jason Bailey 7 years ago

KUJayhawk7476: The Chancellor is a bleeding heart who probably thinks FB is too barbaric and neanderthal for her advanced mind to even stoop to. I don't think she cares beyond the fact that she wishes the negative press would go away.

rtwngr 7 years ago

Don't worry, we'll rebuild and win another Orange Bowl in 40 years.

Alceste 7 years ago

There is NEVER an estimate of crowd size in any of these football stories. Kindly place in the articles how many people, estimated, were actually in the stands at the start of the game and then continue on such that there is a report as to the estimated crowd size at the end of the game.

tharral 7 years ago

Turner is getting the shaft! Get off his back! You have to remember what he was given for players.Give him the time that he and his staff need to build the program,and most of all "learn how to be real FOOTBALL fans,leaving the stadium empty in the 3rd truly unbelievable!!! So much for standing behind the players,no matter what the score is!! Remember,they are KIDS!! If you give up on them,they'll give up on each other.And as far as some of these "arm chair quarterback sport reporters from the KU newspaper",remember, Turner learned from one of the best Coaches in college football, "Tom Osborne of Nebraska",thats why he can stand on the side line with his arms crossed,chewing gum,staying calm and "NOT" screaming at his players or running up and down the side lines like an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS CALLED RESPECT!!!

SnakeFist 7 years ago

"You have to remember what he was given for players."

You've got to be kidding! Who do you think will want to play for KU after this debacle of a season? These are the best players we're going to have for a long time.

Gill is a bum, and the only records he'll set are bad ones. K-State is improving, Nebraska is Improving, Missouri is improving, even Baylor is improving - everybody except us.

Majestic42 7 years ago

Yup, KU football should be completely scrapped. After ONE (1) season? Give the guy a break and stop being ADD.

TrueJayAlltheWay 7 years ago

yeah because I'm sure after our outstanding record last season, we are going to experience a huge dip...hmmm

puddleglum 7 years ago

don't forget Iowa State....they just capped Texas in austin.

Rich Noever 7 years ago

You are kidding right? What did Gill learn from Osborne? Not much judging by the fact that Gill never attained anything higher than a position coach before his Buffalo stint. By the way his overall record at Buffalo, Div II school was 20 Wins and 30 losses. Not very impressive! Notice that Nebraska didn't beat down his door for their last two coaching changes. I am not blaming our pleayers but they do look like they are poorly coached. Mangino in his first season was 2 & 10 but you could see that he knew what he was doing. Not so with Gill

Rich Noever 7 years ago

See my comment below. Somehow the forum moved my comment.

Rich Noever 7 years ago

You are kidding right? What did Gill learn from Osborne? Not much judging by the fact that Gill never attained anything higher than a position coach before his Buffalo stint. By the way his overall record at Buffalo, Div II school was 20 Wins and 30 losses. Not very impressive! Notice that Nebraska didn't beat down his door for their last two coaching changes. I am not blaming our pleayers but they do look like they are poorly coached. Mangino in his first season was 2 & 10 but you could see that he knew what he was doing. Not so with Gill

Matt Schwartz 7 years ago

K.U has very fickle fans in leave the games early even for our super competitive basketball team...don't want to sit around in all of the 'traffic.'

Charles Crawford 7 years ago

On TV it looked as if the stadium was only half full when the game began.

Robert Holmes 7 years ago

Lew wanted someone to come in and baby these guys and wouldn't stand up to the Mangino bashers and look where we are today? Coach Gill and staff better start toughening these guys up and soon. Can you imagine trying to recruit against K-State and Mizzou at this point?

livefoniks 7 years ago

Is that supposed to say "laugher" or "slaughter"?

BorderRat 7 years ago

Remember when you could go to Rusty's IGA on game day and buy the item of the day and get 4 tickets to the football game. I always thought it was ironic that the items were a package of weiners or toilet paper. Those days may be returning.

greenworld 7 years ago

Garbage men: KU receivers, corners talk trash — a lot....Remember this article, it was a before the season article about how the players fire one another up by talking trash. I got one question for you, are you still talking?? Easy to talk trash to your own teammates in practice but boys I think the lights have finally came on and its time for actions not words. Why dont you try bringing your "A" game instead of your get blown out game. Gill- You might as well start playing 2nd and 3rd string players and playing for next year cuz I dont think there would be to much difference from what you currently have out on the field.

greenworld 7 years ago

What im seeing is a young team/ first year coach and to many fans complaining once again and wanting immediate results. A program starts with people/players believing in it and working hard to achieve success in time. Our team does have many holes to fill and it shows. People seem to keep forgetting that we lost Meier, Reesing, Briscoe and on defense Stuckey plus others-(the year before Rivera, Mortenson), yet keep thinking that these guys meant nothing and our program isnt in a re-building phase. I know losing is a hard thing to sit in the stands and watch but it has to happen and to think that any coach could come in and win with this team is crazy. We do appear to be undersized and limited with our players that we have at certain positions. Our secondary looks very thin and needs alot of work in order to get better. Our kids dont appear to have heart and desire and arent playing together as a team right now. They need to get in there mind to make the plays that are given to them and to not give up big plays that lead to scores. ITs all in there heads and right now they are lacking leadership, there are no leaders on the team for others to ralley around and look up to. But the good news is there are certain individuals starting to take that roll but lacking the ability to get in other players faces. I hate to refer to a football movie but "Remember the Titans" showed how despite ones color and anything else that got in the way two guys came together as leaders and everyone else around them followed in their footsteps. The motto for any team should be Lead, Follow or get the hell out of the way. Last but not least, our team is SOFT...we play soft, look soft and have no hardness at all. Once our team hardens like we all saw in the Georgia Tech game and plays like we know they can play, we will see our Jayhawks again. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!!!

Vince Brown 7 years ago

Was anybody callin' for Mangino's over sized head when he was on the way to a 2-10 record his first season? Times are different. Players are different. Coaching styles & philosphies are different. Very few staffs are going to have major success in the first or second season. Gill & Co. need & deserve time, just as Mangino, or any other coaching staff, does. I want a bowl and/or championship season as much as any Jayhawk. Some folks need to relax.

average 7 years ago

Mangino's base salary in 2002 was, not kidding, $129,000. Less than each of half-a-dozen of Gill's vaunted assistants. Yeah, there's been inflation since then and an arms-race in coaching salaries. But, seriously, we could have gotten this good a coach for half the price (probably Gill himself after another 4-8 year at Buffalo), and the fan base wouldn't be so restive.

kusp8 7 years ago

.....At least the band was still there. Ha. Maybe they should move them back to the middle of the student section so that way it looks like there are still some students there at the end of the game.

Stu Clark 7 years ago

Or take a cue from Stanford and put them on the field...

jayhawk166 7 years ago

There is a big difference between a loss and a blow out. This coaching staff may need time but how many times are we going to fall by 40 or more points before they realize something has to change in their coaching style.

Jayhawks1985 7 years ago

I think it would make a big difference if the score was at least closer your cheering wears out after your down by 50 points. Also the ticket prices are crazy and in most of the Texas schools students in get free. It's alot easier to go when you don't pay anything. It doesn't matter how good your are then.

brett conrad 7 years ago

Gill will never win 4 conference games in the same year starting next year playing 9 conference games in his tenure as coach at KU. It is going to take a great AD and a great coach and recruiter to compete in the new Big 12. 8 million is going to be cheap compared to the lost attendance and donations

Majestic42 7 years ago

First: Punctuation is your friend. Second: Nothing like a great defeatist attitude to root on your team.

ldhammar 7 years ago

the offense line is not what we all thought it would be with the amount of players returning. the talent is not there last yr was the same todd r. ran for his life also.does anyone know how qbs are i know picks concussion .tell you one thing webbs tough kid and proved to me he wants to win with his running just needs some seasoning made mistakes all young qb do.message to players ,offensive line your qbs are taking too many hits pull together and take pride in protecting your qb.defense players its ok to be mean you can pop someone just make sure its a clean qbs should deliver hits on you guys like a&m is a team sport your are acountable to your teammates for mental mistakes (penalties) and blown assignments.the other team might have better athletes but team players win games.have a good weeks practice and i will be cheering for you on sat go hawks

Mary Darst 7 years ago

If you are dedicated to a team, it's like a mariage, For Better Or Worse. I'm still with ya Jayhawks.

SCJayhawker 7 years ago

On the one hand I agree we need to give the team some time. I know its hard but these things take time. We have to give Coach Gill and staff at least another year and in reality 2-3 years before we can pull the plug on him. On the other hand even I, up in the stands, saw that Webb was injured just before he threw that INT just before half. Why didn't a coach see that and call time out? And while were on the subject, why when it was 4th and 2 did we call a dive play and give it to our smallest RB Sands? Oh well, well get up next year right?

greenworld 7 years ago

I knew Web was injured when he lined up behind the guard instead of the center.

Danimal 7 years ago

I think we have to hang in there and see what Gill and his staff can produce. Anytime you change head coaches in college football you have to be prepared to write a season (if not two) off as a program. It's very rare that a non-football school like KU can sustain success through such a transition, even football powerhouses have trouble doing it. People were calling for Self's head a few years ago when KU went out in the first round of the NCAA tourney two years in a row so there are always going to be doubters. I don't think that we've really seen what Coach Gill and his staff can do yet. It wasn't that long ago that these same kids upset the #15 team in the country.

That being said I stayed outside at the tailgate last night swilling beer instead of watching my beloved Hawks take another horrible beating.

Gregory Newman 7 years ago

There is not one coach in the country can fix this team. They are super slow period. Gill said it in April. Yet, the O-line and D-line coaches need to go.

A good line coach should be able to tell the offensive coordinator that we're going up the middle and ain't a dang thang they can do about it and do it.

I did it every year at the high school level with garbage. The name of the game is leverage and both lines play taller than trees.

greenworld 6 years, 12 months ago

Bring back Mangino so he can teach Gill how to discipline his players the correct way.

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