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Editorial insult

November 7, 2010

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To the editor:

The Nov. 4 Journal-World editorial was misinformed and insulting. Journal-World: “regardless of what the majority of citizens … may wish.” In polls, 40 percent of Americans support Republican policies, 43 percent Democratic policies. J-W: “House of Representatives with the GOP holding a strong majority.” The Democratic majority was 75 seats. The Republicans will be 45 or so. The Democrats’ majority was not enough to keep the party of “no” from emasculating many things they tried to do.

J-W: “Lawrence and its voters are off on another planet — not in the same constellation as the rest of the state or nation,” “a community that once had a bright future … has seen its best days as a thing of the past,” and “it may be too late to make any corrective actions.”

Your readership is primarily liberal. Don’t lecture us. “Off on another planet” is insulting, we are not out of step with half the nation (see above). That we are out of step with the rest of the state has long been a point of pride. Perhaps the editorial board of the Journal-World is out of step with its (declining) readership? We could say the J-W is a newspaper that once had a bright future becoming one that, by its actions, has seen its best days as a thing of the past.

Get in step with your readership. Or perhaps we need a more liberal newspaper in this town? To return the favor, what is the color of the sky in your world?

Comments

ksrush 3 years, 5 months ago

Ok the truth about Larryville - its been a well kept secret from most but YOUR JUST ANOTHER COLLEGE TOWN. The kids are fed daily doses of liberal slop from liberal professors aka " the elite " who have never worked a day in the private sector and have no concept of what really goes on in the real world. Eventually if and when the real world has a use for Larryville ( like the intermodal in Gardner ) you will get the roads you need and all the whining about those stupid wetlands will stop once and for all. Like it or not you will need to join reality. Rock Chalk Capitalists

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edjayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

The problem is there are not enough voting choices in this country. The two party system could be construed as a dictatorship. Most Americans are moderate independents who have no real voice for them. So they chose the party that is the least bad among the two. That is sad. And now with the recent popularity in attack ads, we don't hear about the issues anymore. This country WILL NEVER improve unless we change the political system.

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gphawk89 3 years, 5 months ago

"That we are out of step with the rest of the state has long been a point of pride."

How exactly does that make you proud? Proud just to be "different" from the rest of the state? That's fine. Or is it all about being "smarter" than the rest of the state? That's... well, that's just pathetic.

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roscoepoet 3 years, 5 months ago

I'm sad to say that I chose losers across the board in this most recent election. If only Mr. Simons had given me a call to tell me who to vote for before the election, he obviously knows better than most people in our wonderful, failing town on the down side...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/83731368@N00/5147423077/

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notajayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

Folks, vote for who you want. Especially since, with the exception of a few county measures, nothing you vote on effects me personally very much. I may not agree with you, actually I almost always don't. But I do, believe it or not, respect your right to vote for the candidate that best represents your personal values and priorities. I don't think you're stupid, I don't assume you're uninformed (as a rule, anyway - there are a few ... ), I don't think you made a choice that was 'wrong' - it was the right choice for you.

Just please allow me, and the others - many, many others - who voted differently the same courtesy. Stop thinking you're the only ones with a clue, that you're the only ones who knew the facts, that you're the only ones that understood the issues. Really. Believe it or not, but other people are entirely capable of being at least as intelligent, just as well informed, and possessed of an equal degree of understanding of the issues as yourselves, and yet still reach a different conclusion and/or hold a different preference.

I have no problem with those who vote differently than I do. When I use the 'elitist' label, it's on those who espouse the belief that the difference makes them superior in some way, smarter, more insightful, better educated, what have you. To those people, you might want to entertain the possibility, however, that when an awful lot of other people are in disagreement with you, it just might be you that isn't getting it. A little parable - which happens to be true.

Many of you know (and others have astutely surmised) that I used to live in Connecticut. I was still living in that area when a 100 foot section of I-95N plunged 70 feet into the Mianus River. Most people have heard of that, many know that 3 people died in the 4 vehicles that dropped through the gap, two tractor-trailers and two passenger cars. What most people don't know is that the last two people died for nothing. The last vehicle to go into the river wasn't even on the bridge when the section collapsed.

Seems this young man in a BMW was flying up the shoulder past the two lanes of stopped traffic. Those who had already stopped tried frantically to wave him off, flag him down. According to witnesses, the driver gave them the proverbial one-fingered salute, and flew off the end of the bridge. True story.

This little tale is not meant to imply anything about everyone. But to those elitists to whom I referred, hey, you're driving your own car, drive how you want. But if everyone else is slamming on the brakes, you might want to pause and ask yourself if it's it really a situation in which you should feel pride for flipping them off and plunging wildly ahead.

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

In fairness, it looks like a lot of broadband companies applied for stimulus (several hundred). So if sunflower did not, I suppose this would put them at a competitive disadvantage.

But no doubt, these funds will help them generate more revenue, expand coverage, employee people making these upgrades, and in the end increase shareholder wealth. God forbid, but is this an example of stimulus working? And working for a very harsh critic of stimulus who is nonetheless attempting to take advantage of the very same thing being criticized.

No matter how you slice it, this is just wrong.

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

Bad link, but if you google Broadband Stimulus requests, you will find some interesting stuff. Further proof that those who complain about government handouts, are normally the 1st ones in line to grab the money. Fascinating that one of the harshest critics in this town and the one who wrote such an insulting editorial is applying for stimulus money. I won't say how much, but believe me, it is a lot.

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

The editorial was also hypocritical because it railed against President Obama's stimulus efforts. The following link shows cable companies that applied for stimulus money to expand operations. Scroll half-way down on the attached link. You will find none other than guess who. No kidding.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiercebroadbandwireless.com%2Fspecial-reports%2Ffiber&ei=Gm_XTPOnCoXAnAfq743qCQ&usg=AFQjCNGt0oDCPXVI2lRmb81jAzYqPe50Jw

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Will the NYT tell you what's on sale at Checker's?

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seeker_of_truth 3 years, 5 months ago

Well one thing this editorial made me do. Cancel my subscription and get one to a real newspaper, the New York Times. I don't agree with them on everything, but at least they try to provide honest, ethical news reporting. And I have never yet been insulted by their editorials.

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Melinda Black 3 years, 5 months ago

The Nov. 4th LJW editorial was really odd. Insulting your readership because we think for ourselves doesn't seem like a very smart business move. It's pretty sad that our local paper would rather run down the citizens than celebrate what makes this town such a gem.

The fact that Lawrence votes differently than the rest of Kansas doesn't mean our city doesn't have a bright future. I can't follow the logic of that statement. If anything, it shows that Lawrence continues to be a haven for Kansans that are perfectly OK with thinking for themselves. I'd say our streak of individualism bodes well for our future prosperity.

I do have to ask: if it bothers local conservatives that this town is liberal, why do you live here? Honestly, you should have zero trouble finding an uptight, uninteresting town filled with citizens that feel exactly the way you do. You are surrounded by an entire state filled with them.

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

CAclarks. The word elite is getting thrown around these days. It is the latest way to place a label on people.

"The label is an act of mental Laziness, for it is easy to stick a label onto someone. It is difficult and challenging to see this person in his/her uniqueness"----Anthony De Mello.

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Stu Clark 3 years, 5 months ago

People not voting give my vote more weight. Hard to be unhappy about that.

Notajay, your statements about the LTE's use of the word "pride" are ludicrous. You said in part: "The LTE writers "pride" in voting differently than everyone else carries the clear implication that he, and the small minority that voted as he did, are the ones who got it 'right', ...".

Well, of course he thinks that. If he did not, he would have voted diferently. It is not elitist for me to think that my choices are better than the alternatives. If it were, we would all be "elitists".

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Mr_B9 3 years, 5 months ago

Jafs, Good post and I get your point. Here is a curious fact for you. Out of all the legal Americans who could vote, only 23% voted for Obama and he won. Sure is a lot of power given by such a small majority. What does that say about our country? Well Jafs, I think its a tell-tale for those who don't vote. Meaning, I don't care about America and I am just to lazy to be informed. One thing is for sure, voting may be a privilege but it also requires responsibility. I guess gaining responsibility for some Americans is just to much to ask. What a shame.

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jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

All those who think that a small majority of Americans is equivalent to the entire nation are simply wrong, regardless of who makes up that majority.

When Obama won with about 60% of the vote, that didn't mean that the 40% who didn't vote for him are suddenly somehow not Americans, or that his win was "America speaking" or anything like that.

It simply meant that a smallish majority of those who voted voted for him.

As does this election.

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

I thought the editorial was insulting, because I felt that the writer lumped in "the American voters" all into one category who are disatisfied with President Obama's policies. In fact those policies were so watered down by trying to compromise with the Blue Dog democrats and Republicans that we basically did not get a chance to see if a stronger agenda could have happened and gotten to see if it helped.

Health care reform is being played out by the Republicans as a massive move toward socialism, when in reality only a few things were reformed like pre-existing conditions and extended dependent coverage. Little was done and really, the same insurance power holders are still in place, and arguably stronger. Obamacare = Socialism, give us a break.

The only fault I have with President Obama's first two years is: 1) He should have pushed harder for a public option and not have been willing to bend. Everything else should have been left alone. A public option could have been drafted on one piece of paper rather than thousands of pages of technical insurance and leagal jargon that few can even attempt to understand. 2) I know he promised it in his election, but I disagree with expanding efforts in Afghanistan. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are sunk costs, and no matter how much more money we throw into that pit, the more wasteful it is. Comparing this as wasted money is harsh. I leave out the worst.....cost in human suffering and lives. Other avenues should have been explored before dropping bombs.

Other than that, I do believe President is concerned about rising debt, but is aware that stimulus is necessary to maintain economic output until the private sector can recover. Much of the stimulus has gone to support state budgets the last two years. The TARP program is already yielding returns to taxpayers, and currently we are selling back about 1/3 of the GM stock, because ultimately the Gov wants to get out. Though the stock is going to be sold at a loss, we did get back something, we did help GM remain afloat and gave them a chance to recover, and it further proves that the US does not intend to socialize GM.

In my heart, I believe Obama is doing his best to weather us through the depression with the tools he has. He has been willing to compromise, but perhaps too much.

Should the Republicans win all 3 branches, I would not prefer it, but I'd give them a chance to try it and let it succeed or fail on it's results. Sad that Obama is trying to do the same, but is not really given the chance.

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Mr_B9 3 years, 5 months ago

"The Nov. 4 Journal-World editorial was misinformed and insulting" Quite frankly, I feel insulted by everyone of you who was/were duped and wasted your votes on Obama's "Hope and Change". Then, turn around in the next election and voted for a straight liberal party line in Douglas County. Truth is in the pudding (you're out of step with the rest of the nation) and voters across the country just showed you what is clear. Your president doesn't get it and neither do you. I think the only reason anyone would take this article personally is because you are so grossly misinformed.
It is time for you liberals to wake the flock up and use this election as an example to point you in the right direction. It is clearly obvious you personally need some reform in your own beliefs. There is no need to leave your party as we do need checks and balances but good grief be informed when you vote and vote for what is right for all Americans instead of your own special interest pork filled agendas. Let me tell you a secret. There is no money tree folks and the reason voters voted the way they did is simply because this is our country not the political machines country. One more thing for you liberal loser cry babies. Go back and reread a huge portion of the recent posts and see just how hateful you were . Calling your opposition bigots, birthers, racist, etc. is a personal insult in its own right. Do you really have the audacity to slam the JW for simply stating the facts?

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George Lippencott 3 years, 5 months ago

Mr. Burger'

Please take a breath before you have a heart attack!

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Jimo 3 years, 5 months ago

I, for one, look forward to further spit-in-your-face editorials describing how pathetic downtown is, poking fun at KU's football team, laughing without control when KU's basketball team falls short, and a week-long spread on "'Lawrence High' vs. 'Free State High': Which one is more stupid?" Surely such a newspaper can expect enthusiastic subscription increases and loyal advertising support?

Maybe this is ownership's psychiatric need to seem wise by going with the flow. I'd suggest they seek counseling for their unresolved juvenile pain.

Politics in Lawrence is barely distinguishable from politics elsewhere in the U.S. however stark the contrast with the rest of Kansas. I would anticipate an "arrogant Obama" to be planning his "Morning in America 2012" campaign while the Congressional freshman adjust from the Palin-ite isolation of modern politics (speak only to friendly audiences and press) to the rude awakening of fact that the GOP myth of 10 minus 2 plus 3 equals 0 is false, uncorrectable by specious, tell-em what they want to hear campaign slogans.

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cato_the_elder 3 years, 5 months ago

A whole lotta liberal Democrat panties got in a bunch as the result of this election, and the letters and comments on this forum show it. Liberal Democrats cannot abide the fact that America is a center-right country in which liberal Democrats are found primarily in college and university communities and urban enclaves like Hyde Park in Chicago.

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BornAgainAmerican 3 years, 5 months ago

"Lawrence has the worst economy of any major city in our state and something we are doing is causing that."

California and New York are the two states with the worst financial problems. They also, overwhelmingly, vote Democratic in every election ( always have). Lawrence votes Democratic, overwhelmingly, in every election. The Northeast and the west coast remained solidly Democrat in the recent midterms with most everything in between Republican. Can there be a connection financially? Just wondering...

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

The USA voters were not very smart this election period. Republicans have not balanced a budget since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a democrat dominated house and senate.

Republicans have substantially destroyed our economy twice in the past 30 years which is operating more like a crime syndicate rather than sticking with sound economic policies.

These are about corporate and political fraud not sound economic polices:

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Savings and Loan Heist( millions out of work) "There

are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and were part of the Bush Jr. administration.

Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this was about one quarter of our national debt").

The Reagan/Bush savings and loan heist was considered the largest theft in history at the time. George Herbert Walker Bush then took $1.4 trillion of taxpayers money to cover the theft. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  1. The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers(millions out of work) Yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities(Bush admin) ignoring their regulatory responsibilities." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  2. Only 3 major Financial Institutions were at risk in spite of what we’re told ? "There were just a handful of institutions that were terribly weakened. AIG the insurer, Bank of America and Citigroup, Those three were clearly in very weakened form. Many of the other big banks simply were not. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

The repub clean up =

A. Clinton had to come and clean up after the Reagan/Bush home loan scandals against the Savings and Loan Institutions.

This fraud:

  1. Wiped out retirement plans connected to savings and loan institutions

  2. Put millions of formerly retired people back into the job market who were 60's and older. The job market at this time was no better than today.

  3. Taught millions how to appreciate Social Security and Medicare

B. Then Obama had to come in and clean up after a repeat performance by Bush/Cheney only on a much grander scale.

C. Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.

D. In essence what we have is democrats cleaning up fraudulent financial disasters republicans leave behind and needing to create huge numbers of new employment for Americans who were screwed by republican party activity.

The problem is not a missing link verifying whether or not our stimulus money is creating new jobs. The problem lies within the republican party that which destroys families by the millions.

Again these white collar crimes under republican watch are teaching millions how to appreciate Social Security and Medicare under rather unpleasant circumstances. WE do not want to turn Social Security and Medicare over to white collar criminals.

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mr_right_wing 3 years, 5 months ago

Folks in most communities would be financially responsible enough to prioritize needs, and expanding a library wouldn't make the top 5.

People are losing their homes, they're struggling with over-extended budgets and we've got far too many unemployed.

But, let's just ignore all that and make everyone pay to fix up the library anyway; because if it's not fixed immediately our city as we know it will be utterly destroyed.

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antacid 3 years, 5 months ago

if only Lawrence had the sense to vote no on the library parking garage.

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Dan Eyler 3 years, 5 months ago

Although, Kansas did vote republican for the most part in this past election cycle, and the Journal World, considers those who didn't out of step, I say this. With all of the economic problems in all sectors of the nation, none are more pronounced that those in liberal sectors of the nation. This cannot be blamed on George Bush or the Republicans. California, Michigan, Ohio, New York and Nevada are in extreme trouble. The failing economy hurts badly but the level of state spending and union control clearly demonstrate to a lot of us that this is not the path we should consider. Lawrence has the worst economy of any major city in our state and something we are doing is causing that. I look forward to new state leadership that focuses on a policy that drives business and investment in our state. I also look forward to a discussion about reducing taxes. Interestingly we have seen a little bounce in our tax revenues in Topeka, but for the most part it is only because of the 300 million we took in from our sales tax increase for the purpose of funding government services and some of the other from the stimulus spending that is going to dry up very soon leaving us with many suggesting we need additional tax increases to support government. Wont be so easy this time to support new taxes unless it comes from growth in business. That makes total sense to me.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

The Whiner's Ball marches on in Lawrence. Noone invited me!

Look, Dems took a thumpin' and The Anointed One says it feels "bad". The best thing for ya'll lefties is to look ahead to 2012. Don't despair either, because the national media is solidly in the Democratic Party's camp. Whatever the far-left blogs and the New York Times says--goes. George Soros will be 82 and will probably dump even more millions into the left's bank accounts. You should have a good shot at getting back the whole enchilada, and again, with the solid commitment of the corrupt liberal establishment media campaigning for the Democratic Party.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 5 months ago

All of the statistics stated in this letter and the replies above state to me that no party has a mandate. The fact that polls shifted to the minority party in a midterm election is something that happens every four years opposite a presidential election. The real message is that neither party has a clear advantage and is indicative of the vast schism in this country that has been present for well over a decade. However, I agree that the editorial is insulting. So this city is out of step "with the rest of the state". Nota wants to call the LTE "elitist" for being insulted. I say the editorial writer (of course there is no byline) is"elitist" for taking this city to task for being "out of step". They made it personal and that "personal" is insulting, victory crowing just one step short of school yard name calling. And obviously, as the editorial writer felt that he/she was coming from a position of power as the "winner", it was only two steps short of outright bullying. Personally, I want a "fair and balanced" newspaper that reports news rationally and without bias. I have had a belly full of Fox "fair and balanced" news and frankly this editorial would be perfectly at home there.

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notajayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

"In polls, 40 percent of Americans support Republican policies, 43 percent Democratic policies."

The only poll that counted, however, was taken last Tuesday night.

How'd that turn out for the Democrats, BTW?

"The Republicans will be 45 or so."

CNN's latest projection (there's still a few in doubt) is 51 (and BTW, that should be "The Republicans' will be"). Quite a shift, the biggest since - when, again? In any event, the Republicans have (as the Democrats had) a comfortable majority that allows for a few members not voting with their party, they do not have (as the Democrats did not have) a veto-proof majority. Both pretty much in that middle range. Oh, with one exception:

"The Democrats’ majority was not enough to keep the party of “no” from emasculating many things they tried to do."

A 75 seat majority was quite sufficient to keep anyone from "emasculating" anything they tried to do. Provided, of course, they could agree among themselves. They couldn't. The Republicans had no power to stop the Democrats, Doug, they managed to "emasculate" themselves quite nicely without any help. The Republicans have shown themselves to be much better at party unity. That should more than make up for the slightly smaller margin.

"Your readership is primarily liberal."

So they should only tell you what you want to hear. Big surprise there.

"we are not out of step with half the nation (see above)"

I get a better idea: See below.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/main.results/#val=H

"That we are out of step with the rest of the state has long been a point of pride."

In this case, of course, "pride" meaning "pseudo-intellectual elitism".

"Get in step with your readership. Or perhaps we need a more liberal newspaper in this town?"

So that, again, you only have to hear what you want to hear.

Great letter, Doug. Enjoyed it.

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Bushloather1 3 years, 5 months ago

There were millions more voting in 2008, so were the voters of 2010 "out of step" with voters of 2008? In 2008 Douglas county went with the poular vote of the nation, so the rest of Kansas was wrong? The winning side always the right side? Three other larger Kansas Newspapers endorsed the Democrats running in Kansas, so is JW on another planet? How does this work exactly? Times flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana? But I guess everything makes sense in hypocrisy land. JW editorials are joke and not in tune with Lawrence. But that is just me believing my lying eyes.

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