Archive for Thursday, November 4, 2010

Election message

At least outside of Lawrence and Douglas County, voters are sending a strong message of displeasure with President Obama and Democratic leadership.

November 4, 2010

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First of all, at the national level, American voters have delivered a strong, powerful message to the Obama administration.

They do not like the policies and actions of the president! They do not like his arrogance and his refusal to listen to the wishes of the majority of Americans.

They don’t like his health care effort, they are extremely concerned about the national debt, and they find many of his campaign promises to be shallow, such as his pledge for transparency in all legislative actions.

Despite all his big talk about reducing unemployment with billions of dollars, he has failed in this effort, and voters do not like what appears to be the Obama grand scheme to move this country from a system of free enterprise and capitalism to socialism.

He has his dream for America, and it doesn’t resonate with the majority of Americans.

The new House of Representatives with the GOP holding a strong majority, has the responsibility of delivering, to their utmost ability, on their campaign promises.

It’s easy to be on the outside and be critical, but it’s another game to be in control of the House and come up with meaningful, positive legislation.

Democrats still control the Senate, although by a slim margin, and Obama still wields a powerful club.

Obama has said he wants to cooperate with the GOP-controlled House, but, at the same time, he said if Republicans want to join in a cooperative manner, they must sit in “the back seat.” He and his fellow Democrats in the Senate intend to remain in the driver’s seat and steer the country the way they want regardless of what the majority of citizens, or the GOP, may wish.

Obama’s description of “cooperation” seems a bit one-sided.

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What does the election say about Lawrence, Kansas? Clearly Lawrence and its voters are off on another planet — not in the same constellation as the rest of the state or nation.

Lawrence/Douglas County voters favored every Democratic candidate — for governor, the U.S. Senate, secretary of state, attorney general — over the Republican opposition by substantial margins. Statewide, each of these offices was won by Republicans by a large margin.

What makes Lawrence so different — not only in how residents vote for political candidates but how the City Commission operates and how these five individuals try to guide and control the city’s future?

What makes Lawrence so out of step with the rest of the state? And will this eventually result in a community that once had a bright future becoming one that, by its actions, has seen its best days as a thing of the past?

Lawrence wasn’t always this way. Is it for the better or worse? Unfortunately, there won’t be any answers until sometime in the future, when it may be too late to make any corrective actions.

Comments

equalaccessprivacy 4 years, 7 months ago

However ahead of the game Lawrence people see themselves compared to the rest of KS they are still fairly behind the times as far as the more sophisticated, aware, and educated parts of the country go.

The characterization of Obama's goals you give in this editorial equates to that of an uneducated and hidebound electorate and thus doesn't say much. I do agree that his administration has been less than sincere in its attempts to be "transparent" though.

Steve Jacob 4 years, 7 months ago

So vote democrat or your stupid is what your saying. It the same elitist tag Obama has been try to dodge.

cayenne1992 4 years, 7 months ago

Or type a response and remove all doubt.

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

That's you're stupid, not your stupid.

Doug Fisher 4 years, 7 months ago

There's a reason this paper is nicknamed the "Urinal World".

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

The republican primary agenda is to control the government.

They had 8 years to create tons and tons of new jobs backed up with new industry. This did not happen.

True to form and pattern they eliminated approximately 11 million jobs and shut down the economy then immediately began blaming the democrats. This was a repeat performance of Reagan/Bush. In both cases retirement funds were lost as well as medical insurance. The question is why do they perform in such a reckless manner? How do so many players stay out of jail?

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

As far as I'm concerned Washington D.C. democrats have been too busy compromising and trying to build bridges that have not been there to build for 30 years or more. The bridges are not there today and will not be there in January.

I'd say they shot themselves in the foot.

They could have moved forward in 3-5 different areas instead they worried about filibusters. And they kissed the fannies of the medical insurance industry who then turned around and financed the republican wins.

Republicans will not change their rigid agenda of the past 30 years. We'll see more stonewalling against jobs and a strong economy,will waste a ton of time undoing Obamacare and keep the multi trillion dollar war going.

The never ending political campaigns are still in gear thereby diverting attention from the needs of the country. Our costs of living will continue to increase to support reckless spending on the campaign trail. We voters cannot afford this system.

verity 4 years, 7 months ago

I couldn't agree more with what you said. The Democrats did this to themselves by not doing what they were elected to do---what the people wanted them to do.

Obama a socialist?!? That's funny.

Unfortunately, we will now have the Republicans breaking the economy even more.

MyName 4 years, 7 months ago

How about the vote against the Iraq war?

pinecreek 4 years, 7 months ago

Internal Memo to staff at LJW: Note to Marketing and Sales--you'll have to try harder, I'm going out to insult our readers this week. They're clearly not very bright and need some Dolph-style counseling. How dare they be different....if they don't change this whole place is doomed.

seagull 4 years, 7 months ago

Pinecreek and seeker_of_truth are right. I've heard of sore losers but sore winners? What sane business man insults his constituents over and over again and survives. In fact, Tom Sloan did win showing that when reasonable Republicans are on the ballot, Lawrence voters are smart enough to make informed decisions. I buy the paper because it is good for a community to have a newspaper. That is apparently a very liberal/bad idea--to have some sort of community values that are bigger than my own self-interest. Dolph has finally pushed me to the brink of changing my mind. It's one thing for the editor to espouse contrary ideas but quite another to insult people. So, Dolph maybe you finally convinced me: self-interest over all. My first decision in this new world: not renew my subscription. Sorry sales people. You will have to work harder.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"And they wonder why their newspaper readers have stopped buying their papers."

Maybe it's because the readers are going online instead of picking up the print version - like you apparently are?

cowboy 4 years, 7 months ago

Heres the message Dolph...

Our electorate is so ignorant that they cannot figure out the shell game that has been foisted on them by Rove , Koch , Armey.

They have memory deficit disorder forgetting just who ran this country into the sh!tter just two years ago , the republicans.

They are against government but do not have a single proposal to concretely address any of the issues other than to blockade and say no

They are so naive as to expect a major recession to right itself in less than 24 months , history tells us ten years

They have a plethora of one trick pony candidates who will not go before any scrutinizing media dare they be immediately exposed as shallow uneducated boobs

They have no base of electoral knowledge to understand the the now is normal , one party controlling both houses and the presidency is not normal. We are now normal however effed up that might be.

So we got your "message" and we have lost this skirmish but to my dying day I shall not concede to this group of morons !

meggers 4 years, 7 months ago

Here, here!

The only thing I would add is that this election was also a referendum on the power of money to manipulate the electorate. This was the first electoral litmus test for the Citizens United case and by all accounts, it was a raging success- for corporate interests, anyway. Our country elected the best legislators money could buy.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"The only thing I would add is that this election was also a referendum on the power of money to manipulate the electorate."

Is that why you voted for Obama?

BTW, while I hate to burst your bubble (just kiddin' - I love it), when the final numbers come out, pretty sure you're gonna' find out the Dems once again outspent the Republicans.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

No, I was including that money. Maybe before you make yourself look even more uninformed, you'd better see where an awful lot of that anonymous money was going in the last couple of weeks before the election.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Ooh, good comeback, spanky. ('No, it couldn't be' - great argument.) Why don't you look for yourself?

Been meaning to ask, BTW - did you pick your screen name because 'facts' are the only thing you're apparently allergic to?

meggers 4 years, 7 months ago

I suspect that the money spent by the official parties will pale in comparison to the money that was funneled in from corporate interests. This article should give you a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about, in case you're truly as ignorant to the situation as your post indicates:

'Republican groups had never coordinated like this before, participants said, and backed by millions in corporate cash and contributions by secret donors, they were able to wield outsized influence on the results Tuesday night. The joint efforts were designed to spread the damage to as many of the majority Democrats as possible, without wasting money by doubling-up in races where others were already playing.'

Full article:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44651.html

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

According to Open Secrets, three of the five top-spending 527 organizations were SEIU, America Votes, and EMILY's List. Where do you think their money went to, meg?

Also according to Open Secrets, six of the top overall donors in this election were either solid or leaning Democratic (3 of each), while the other two were 'on the fence'. Only three of the top 23 were donors to mostly Republican candidates.

Outside spending was higher for conservative causes, yes - by about 33%. The liberals still got about $200M in outside spending.

Tell Dino Rossi, who's behind by about 1% of the vote in Washington, how that outside spending helped him, after the NEA gave spent $1.4M opposing him. Which wasn't as much as the $1.9M they spent opposing the Republican candidate in Colorado. Those were two of the most hotly contested races in the country. (The NEA is a non-disclosing group, BTW.)

Oh, and BTW - the group that, far and away, leads the spending among groups that can take unlimited donations? The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (outdistancing their Republican counterpart, who came in second, by over 40%).

You can read a little about who spent what here:

http://politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/10/26/democrats-step-up-campaign-spending-as-2010-elections-near.html

"Facing the prospect of major losses in both houses of Congress, Democratic Party committees aggressively increased their campaign spending last week. For the first time in recent weeks, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee surpassed the National Republican Campaign Committee in weekly spending on independent expenditures--political communications made in support of or against specific candidates, without coordination with those candidates or their opponents. Democrats saw a boost in allied nonparty spending as well; while the list of the top 10 spenders on independent expenditures has been mostly the domain of Republican-leaning organizations, three of last week's six top non-party groups spent their money entirely in opposition to Republicans or in support of Democrats. "

Try actually reading the news, instead of what gets spoon-fed to you by Madkow and Herr Olbermann once in a while, meg. It might make you look marginally less foolish when you accuse someone else of being uninformed.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

The Center for Responsive Politics' 'OpenSecrets.org' is a speculative report by conservative whackos, jtf? Or the Sunlight Foundation? Those number I gave were right up to election day in some cases, from last week in others, and they're not "speculative".

But hey, especially as you chose a screen persona that (hilariously) includes the word "facts", you got some to offer to dispute anything I said? Or are you going to stick to sputtering the argument of 'but, but, but that *can't be true' because that doesn't fit with what Madkow and Herr Olbermann told you to believe?

Look it up for yourself, skippy. Of course, you won't.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Um - was your link supposed to be related to some kind of point, jtf? Maybe you wanted me to read the story about "Best States for Teen Drivers"?

By the way, still waiting for some facts that dispute anything I said. When you get around to it, take your time.

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

Dems are Marxists? That makes as much sense as Reps are fascists.

any 4 years, 7 months ago

Cowboy says, "They have memory deficit disorder forgetting just who ran this country into the sh!tter just two years ago , the republicans."

Who are you referring to that had the power to mess things up - Congress or the President? Two years ago the Congress was controlled by Democrats, but the President was a Republican.

If you're talking about the Presidential level, then we still have Democrat control so no memory deficit disorder has occurred after this last election (There's still a Democrat as President since his term isn't up).

However, if you're talking about Congress, then two years ago when things went downhill it was the Democrats in control. If that is the case, wouldn't it stand to logic that people might want to vote for different people?

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

The system is complex.

Unless one party has a filibuster proof majority and a like minded president, it's hard to ascribe blame or praise unilaterally. Or a veto-proof majority with an opposing president.

Scott Drummond 4 years, 7 months ago

Here's my take on the election returns. Elections are not fine instruments. More like an axe than a scalpel, they reflect thousands and millions of American's efforts to achieve the changes they want through votes on local races.

Rather than the storyline the corporate media have been feeding us about this being a repudiation of President Obama and the Democrats, a perfectly sensible alternative read of last night is that Americans were sickened by the republican's refusal to participate in our government over the last two years and said, "Nope, you don't get to just sit on the sidelines and carp. Get in there and start working!"

And whether that was the intent or not, that is the result. Time to produce republicans. Time to shut up and deliver.

Day Two is beginning, what have the republicans done?

grammaddy 4 years, 7 months ago

Let's see what happens. If they don't get off their butts and do something, they may have just handed the election to Obama in 2012. Just because only 7% of the youth vote showed up for this election doesn't mean they won't get excited when Obama's on the ballot again.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Here's my take on the election returns."

Oh, goody, it's cross-posting day! That will save me a lot of time typing, I'll just cut-and-paste the response I had to scottie's cut-and-paste post from another thread:

Dateline 2008:

"Rather than the storyline the corporate media have been feeding us about this being a repudiation of President Bush and the Republicans, a perfectly sensible alternative read of last night is that Americans were sickened by the Democrats' refusal to participate in our government over the last two years and said, "Nope, you don't get to just sit on the sidelines and carp. Get in there and start working!""

That alternative make sense on your planet, scottie?

Let me know when you're going to post that somewhere else, scottie, so I know if I should keep it in my clipboard.

Scott Drummond 4 years, 7 months ago

I wanted the point of view broadcast a bit more than one place, nota. Humor me in exercise of my right to hold a contrary point of view. The right wing, corporate media has been trumpeting that the election was a repudiation of President Obama and the Democrats. And, just as when they announced for three straight months in advance of the election that the Democrats would suffer a bloodbath, the message they publish day after day after day has a funny way of becoming the conventional wisdom. I simply wish to offer an alternative and entirely reasonable alternative. Disagree if you wish, but I think that there is value in a point of view that differs from the relentless right wing corporate propaganda.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"I wanted the point of view broadcast a bit more than one place, nota. Humor me in exercise of my right to hold a contrary point of view. "

And you have that right. Just messin' with ya', and perhaps cautioning that you're treading close to that merrill line. ;)

But as I said - is there anything different in my paraphrasing than the point you were making with your interpretation of events? If you're going to claim that Tuesday's results were not a mandate for or even an endorsement of the Republicans, then wouldn't it be valid to say the same thing about the results in 2008? Somebody posited on another thread that nobody ever really voted for the winner, elections are always a repudiation of the party in power. Do you believe that's true?

cato_the_elder 4 years, 7 months ago

Being "an island of blue in a sea of red" has proven to be an increasingly difficult political issue with which KU has had to deal, and will become even more so with the overwhelming defeat of Kansas Democrats in this election. Try to imagine a scenario, for example, in which the leading state university in Massachusetts were located in a community that not only has become stubbornly Republican but is quite proud of that fact and routinely thumbs its nose at the rest of the state as barbarous know-nothings. How do you think that that university is going to fare in the Massachusetts legislature? Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that there's anything that can be done about how a majority of Lawrencians vote, which is their sacred right, but it's clearly an increasing problem for KU and needs to be recognized as such within Strong Hall. One thing that could be done would be to appoint a group of Douglas County citizens who are strong KU supporters - and not necessarily alumni, either - whose political views are more compatible with the recent statewide results, and have the members of that group interact and establish friendships with legislators all over the state, especially west of Highway 81. Simply food for thought.

Kendall Simmons 4 years, 7 months ago

In Massachusetts...where I come from...they would NOT punish the university for its location!!

When I first moved here, I quickly learned that KU was called "Snob Hill". Sorry to have to inform you of the obvious, but that was a derogatory nickname earned by the University itself...NOT by the City of Lawrence.

I also learned that there was a distinct split between the eastern and western halves of the state. But it didn't just relate to Lawrence. It was a rural/urban split...and the Snob Hill stuff was as much about that as anything else. (And then there's the natural rivalries between students.)

But your argument is that KU literally suffers at the hands of the legislature because it's located in Lawrence which is too liberal for the legislature's liking! I challenge you to provide evidence of that.

I challenge you to provide some concrete examples...how about just one...of how KU has suffered at the hands of the Kansas legislature because it's located in Lawrence and they don't like Lawrence because it's more liberal than the rest of the state.

Not evidence of how all regents schools have been affected by legislative action/inaction, but a single example of how KU...and KU alone...has been treated badly by the legislature because KU is located in Lawrence and Lawrence is too liberal for them.

hcother 4 years, 7 months ago

See... cato_the_elder... now that's the sort of additional information I was looking for... exactly WHAT is the problem with a liberal/progressive Lawrence and what exactly is the potential consequence. Whether you are right or wrong you have certainly laid out one potential situation nicely: if KU can't keep money rolling in that will take a way a major source of employment and hurt Lawrence.

madameX 4 years, 7 months ago

So the if legislature is immature and spiteful enough to work against the interest of the rest of the state by punishing the biggest state university because the town the university is located in is "too liberal" then it's up to the university to suck up to those legislators and convince them that Lawrence's liberalness doesn't matter after all? How about the legislature learn to not be immature and spiteful?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

"How about the legislature learn to not be immature and spiteful?"

That would require a majority made up of something other than Republicans.

Keith 4 years, 7 months ago

As usual, the lead editorial is funnier than anything on the comics page. Hand the whole thing over to Dan and go yell at the kids to get off your lawn. Find some old cronies to hang out with and reminisce about your days in South Africa.

Scott Drummond 4 years, 7 months ago

No, no, no you don't. Shut up and deliver results.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"No, no, no you don't."

scottie has joined the new 'party of "No".'

Phillbert 4 years, 7 months ago

"They don’t like his health care effort, they are extremely concerned about the national debt..."

Actually, exit polls showed that about half of voters said they wanted to repeal health care reform...and about half wanted to keep or expand it. 37 percent of voters said they wanted to reduce the deficit...and 37 percent said they wanted more spending to create jobs.

Of course facts don't matter on Planet Dolph, population 1.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"37 percent of voters said they wanted to reduce the deficit...and 37 percent said they wanted more spending to create jobs."

I think I should point out that those two are not mutually exclusive. Of course, to a liberal, the concept of cutting spending elsewhere would have been too alien to occur to them.

Kendall Simmons 4 years, 7 months ago

What? We're supposed to vote for people simply because the majority of the rest of the state will vote for them and we don't want to be seen as more liberal than them? Uh...I don't think that's how it works.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"We're supposed to vote for people simply because the majority of the rest of the state will vote for them and we don't want to be seen as more liberal than them?"

Are you one of the "elitists" he was talking about?

Vote for who you want to represent your own interests and values. That is the way it's supposed to work. But there is a multitude of people on these message boards who are expressing the view that since most of the country didn't vote the way Lawrence did, they must be stupid, morons, uninformed, ignorant, rednecks, bigots, brainwashed, or because they were overly influenced by Fox/Limbaugh/Beck, corporate spending from anonymous foreign interests, propaganda, fear tactics, smear tactics, or partisanship.

I can't speak for consumer1, but when I use the "elitist" label, it's in reference to a small group of people in an insulated cocoon who appear to believe that they are the only ones who are smart enough, educated enough, informed enough, understand the issues enough, and immune enough to propaganda and partisanship and the spoon-fed pablum their own choice of media sources feed them to be able to make the "right" choice.

I didn't 'pull the party lever' and haven't done so since the first time I voted 34 years ago. I even left some races blank because I didn't know enough about any of the candidates for that position to make an informed choice. If there's anything to the validity of the distribution of IQ scores, I'm at least as intelligent as anyone else on these message boards. I have a Masters degree, I spend a lot of time reading the news from various sources and investigating further on my own to verify as much as I can. I chose the candidates that share my own values and represent my interests. If you voted for someone different than I did, more power to you. The elitists, however, need to get a clue, and to recognize that the people who voted differently than they did had reasons just as valid as their own for their choices.

monkeyhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"And will this eventually result in a community that once had a bright future becoming one that, by its actions, has seen its best days as a thing of the past?"

That's a done deal. That happened when the progressive 3 took over and crammed their ideals down the throats of the citizenry. It happened when they embraced no-growth and empty buses. It happened when the voters learned that they could not trust their leadership to be honest - Sue Hack conflict, the clogger laughing at those who got signatures on a legal petition in good faith, only to be told their efforts were worthless. Just a couple of examples...

Lawrence is not special - special places can fix their streets (especially when a tax is passed to do it!!) instead of cater to those who love holes as passive traffic calmers. Special places are ones that are Not social experiments for the snotty elite on the hill who have never signed the front of a paycheck, yet are always thinking of ways to manipulate the masses or to steal more redistributive money in the form of taxes. Lawrence used to be one of the best places to be. Unfortunately, that was about 30 years ago. Those who have anything left should get out while you can. It's only going to get worse.

grammaddy 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure they'll flub it up by then. Boehner is already back-peddling.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Well, we will see what happens in 2012.

Scott Drummond 4 years, 7 months ago

"We have around 75-80 new faces that will all be rehearsing for 2012 ----for senatorial seats and more Republican governor races."

Ah yes, the pure tea partiers who weren't going to be corrupted by Washington D.C.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Gubernatorial races yielded something like 9 new Republican governors."

With redistricting coming up. :)

gccs14r 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, that wonderful practice of illegally carving out districts to maximize the benefit to the party in power. At least you admit to your preference for cheating to win. Some states have passed legislation to create districts with regular geometric shapes to prevent this every-decade charade. I won't hold my breath waiting for Kansas to do it.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Yes, that wonderful practice of illegally carving out districts to maximize the benefit to the party in power."

Perfectly legal, as a matter of fact required by law. And done by both political decades forever.

But please, keep up the whining.

Scott Drummond 4 years, 7 months ago

Right wingers seem to prefer segregation.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Lawrence/Douglas County voters favored every Democratic candidate — for governor, the U.S. Senate, secretary of state, attorney general — over the Republican opposition by substantial margins."

Please stop lumping those of us who are county residents in with the loons in Lawrence. Look at your own election result maps. There is no blue outside the city limits, except in the races where the Democrat was a local - but even Holland only carried half the districts in his own home town!

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Ah, it's so enjoyable to hear the moaning of the liberal elitists. As always, it's endlessly amusing to hear the sniveling of a small group of whiners, standing by themselves in their isolated little pocket of never-neverland, trying to convince each other that the massive sea of people surrounding them are the ones without a clue.

That's it, guys - just keep telling yourselves that you're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

I think that pretty well sums up your worldview, nota. You couldn't care less what happens to the country, just as long as those who you view as being on the other team are unhappy with what you've done.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

As usual, I'm sure the irony dripping from boohoozo's post will escape him.

Get out of the basemnet once in a while, boohoozo, and take a glance outside your little blue bubble. See that sea of red, that extends far beyond the borders of Kansas?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/main.results/#val=H

That IS the country, boohoozo. And it's even more laughable than the rest of your posts to say that you and your fellow malcontents, so completely out of touch with the rest of the country, want what's "best" for it.

We ARE the country, boohoozo. We care deeply about it. We don't care much about what Lawrence thinks, though, especially about what the rest of us should want, or your opinion of what's best for the rest of us.

gccs14r 4 years, 7 months ago

Just goes to show what cutting education and force-feeding propaganda for generations can do to an electorate. That doesn't make thinking people stupid, it just makes them outnumbered. Congratulations. You have a pyrrhic victory.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for stepping up and identifying yourself as an example of what I was talking about, gcc.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"So someone votes differently than you, nota, and is unhappy with how the results turned out (kind of like 2008 in reverse). This makes them “loons” and “liberal elitists” whiners and delusional"

Well, I could point out the logical fallacies of yours, starting with my never saying that was what makes them so. There's plenty of other factors that make them "“loons” and “liberal elitists” whiners and delusional".

As has been mentioned in a couple of stories in this paper, the Lawrence voters are so out of touch - so out-of-synch with the rest of the country. (You didn't think this was just a Kansas phenomenon, did you? http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/main.results/#val=H ) That in itself isn't bad. But what makes you loons, delusional, and elitist is the rather comical belief system that YOU guys are the only ones that are right! That somehow YOU are just so gosh-dang smart, that YOU know better than the rest of us what WE want, or what's 'best' for us.

The message boards throughout this website are full of whiners and sore losers offering their 'spin', their 'take', their excuses for why the Democrats got their collective tail handed to them Tuesday night. It's all because of the anonymous corporate spending, because of smear tactics, or fear tactics, or misinformation, or because Lawrence had the misfortune to be located in a red state, or (what seems to be the most common item on today's whine list) because the voters who chose Republican candidates must be stupid, or ignorant, or morons. Just keep believing that, PFC. Just keep searching for excuses. Because as long as you and people that think like you keep believing that the people outside Lawrence think the way you do, as long as you believe you're right and everyone else is wrong, as long as you continue failing to grasp that what the Democrats are selling isn't what the country wants to buy, then nothing will change, and the Republicans will continue to hand you your tails on lots of future Tuesday nights in November.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

So anti-hawk, you must not get out much. The most recent poll, 40% favor the republicans, 43% the dems. Your "rest of the country" is an illusion sold to you by the fat cats. And you bought it, whole hog.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"The most recent poll," bruno, was Tuesday night.

How'd that go for the Democrats?

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Nicely done.

That's why I've simply stopped responding to him.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

What's that, reason 6 or 7 that you've given now? So you're just going to tack the occasional snivel onto someone else's reply while you're not responding?

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

"I'm done responding to him now."

(Which he says after posting a reply - a reply that got yanked.)

Don't go away mad, now.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Logical fallacy number 1: Ad Hominem."

You mean like when the people on these message boards call those who voted Republican morons, stupid, rednecks, hicks, bigots, uninformed, ignorant, etc., etc., etc.? Oh, I forgot - that's merely expressing an opinion. But when I call them elitists for saying so, that's an ad hominem attack. Brilliant.

"I don't happen to believe that I am right and everyone else is wrong."

So you just defend those that do. Great. But I'm glad you know what a straw man is. Another example would be: "So someone votes differently than you, nota, ... This makes them “loons” and “liberal elitists” whiners and delusional..." You know, when you attributed things to me that I never said, or believe, or that you have any evidence of my believing.

"But, you don’t address the argument, you call them names."

Which would be exactly what the people I was talking about are doing. They don't know and don't care and don't want to know why people voted differently than they did, they'd rather believe it was because the majority is stupid, morons, bigots, etc., etc., etc. Oh, I forgot, that's okay, they're just expressing their opinions. It's only wrong when I respond in kind.

Oh, one last thing - do you understand the difference between an "argument" and an observation?

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"So your justification for your ad hominem attacks is that other people are doing it - It’s okay for me to be illogical because other people are as well?"

And I would be justifying myself - why, again? You seem to be laboring under another false assumption - in this instance, that I could possibly care less for your regard.

"And your argument (yes I do know the difference) is that I’m picking on you when other people do it too?"

I merely pointed out the ridiculous nature of saying people that contend others are morons, stupid, ignorant, uninformed, bigots, yada, yada, yada, because of the way they voted are only expressing their opinion, while my calling them elitist for saying so is an 'attack'.

"Yes, I am picking on you, but that does not make anything I have said wrong. "

And yes, I was picking on them. Which also does not make anything I said about them wrong.

"But not all are. Let’s try to tell the difference."

And I said "all" where, again? Actually, I used the words "small group" and "isolated".

For someone that challenges another commenter's posts with logical arguments, you seem to make quite a few errors yourself. If I refer to the "loons in Lawrence", it is not the equivalent of saying that everyone in Lawrence is a loon, merely that such loons exist (and they do). If I make a post about all the people that are whining, it is not equivalent to saying that all people are whining, merely that my post was directed to all those who are.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

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notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Oh, but hey, at least your rhetoric impressed jafs. You two should be good buddies.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

And what, pray tell, LJW moderators, was improper in any way about either PFC's reply to my post or my reply to his? Is there some new requirement of politeness in the TOS agreement? There was no foul language in either post, and if PFC wants to call me a "loser" I'm thick-skinned enough to accept his opinion and respond on my own.

wmathews 4 years, 7 months ago

I respect that you're thick-skinned enough, nota, but blatant name-calling like that will be removed if we catch it.

Whitney

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

Seems a little on the overly protective side, compared to some of the stuff I've seen (and said) that was allowed to stand. But in any case, that explains his, but I don't recall saying anything in my reply that blatantly called him anything (I did imply I didn't have much respect for the quality of his education and that he appeared to be a member of the group I was criticizing, but nothing blatant). Was it that I quoted back what he called me? If you can't tell me openly what I said that got the post pulled, please PM me, because I seriously would like to know. It seems the threshold is pretty fluid around here, and it sometimes gets hard to predict what's okay and what isn't from one day to the next.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

I appreciate your attempts to create a civil forum.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Guess that answered my question about whether you're going to respond without responding.

Classic.

Liberty275 4 years, 7 months ago

The tears of hypocrites are always tasty! As for lawrence, it's an irrelevant backwater anathema of hasbeen collectivists that bucks trends the way a mosquito bites an elephant: they get their little parasitic satisfactions, but in the big picture nobody including the elephant cares.

ilovelucy 4 years, 7 months ago

Dolph, Dolph, Dolph. Anyone who doesn't think he wrote this column is wrong, wrong, wrong. He's in heaven right now. The beloved right has come out the victor.

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kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

Then why do you stay in Lawrence? There are other towns in this wide wonderful country of ours where you might feel more comfortable. Yuma, AZ is nice in the winter.

Michael Stanclift 4 years, 7 months ago

In reality:

2008: Young people voted for change. 2010: Old people voted to revert back.

jimmyjms 4 years, 7 months ago

"What does the election say about Lawrence, Kansas? Clearly Lawrence and its voters are off on another planet — not in the same constellation as the rest of the state or nation."

Clearly, most of Lawrence voters are under the age of 60 and didn't have their livelihoods handed to them on a silver plate.

Your paper sucks, Dolph.

JustNoticed 4 years, 7 months ago

If you can't confine Dolph's nonsense to Saturdays, well, I'm just going to stop reading this rag!

jimmyjms 4 years, 7 months ago

Just FYI: nothing in this editorial is true or factual:

http://bit.ly/b7pe7p

The editor of ljw should resign in shame.

Meatwad 4 years, 7 months ago

I generally try to learn about the candidates and vote for the individual. I like candidates who think for themselves and don't just follow the party line and do what they are told by their party. I didn't feel that most of the Republican candidates had anything to offer, except for broad, vague catchprases. No substance. No ideas. They only say what they are against. I also wanted to vote against those who pay no attention to the candidates and just vote the party line. And many of the editorials made me realize how much of that was going on in Lawrence, and that the LJW endorses this (although they made one tiny exception and endorsed Steve Six, who sadly lost anyway because he's a Democrat). So I voted the way I did, not because I'm happy with Obama (I'm not and I think he learned a serious lesson), but because of people who vote straight party line for Republicans. I just wanted to counter them because I feel that is a lazy, unintelligent, uninformed easy way out.

John Clayton 4 years, 7 months ago

how dare Lawrencians refuse to blindly adhere to the dictates of our corporate overlords?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/83731368@N00/5141452123/

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 7 months ago

I will never vote for the party of theocracy, who wants to establish an American form of Muslim Sharia law in the U.S. They want to outlaw gays, keep women in their place, worship a "dear leader" (I don't think they have one now, except maybe.............Rush Limbaugh) and all dissent against their regime. If Limbaugh is for it, I am against it.

ScottyMac 4 years, 7 months ago

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me, as we change it."-- Barack Obama

Tom, either you are too stubbornly ignorant to google your nonsense before you post it, or you are a shameless liar. Obama said no such thing. If your position is so profoundly correct, why do you have to rely on falsehoods to make your point?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp

Liberty275 4 years, 7 months ago

"Democrats in the Senate intend to remain in the driver’s seat and steer the country the way they want regardless of what the majority of citizens, or the GOP, may wish."

Being able to steer is meaningless when the guy in the back seat is applying the parking brake.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

That is what the Republicans were doing before the election. Now, Americans will expect results beyond just saying "No!"

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

That is reasonable.

I think most people are fed up with both parties to some degree, and would welcome a reasonable alternative.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

LO is correct. Now, if he could only suggest an alternative to these two parties ...

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

Liberty_One (anonymous) says…

"I think a better reading of the past three elections is not that people are either supporting at one time the Democratic agenda and at the other time the Republican agenda, but that they are simply against them both, voting for whatever party is out of power to send a message to the one that's in power. "

Wouldn't that suggest that the voters are dissatisfied with the party that's in power every time there's a switch? And satisfied when there is no switch?

Yet when Clinton's term was up, most people seemed to think the country was doing well. They still switched parties. And most people were pretty ticked off at Bush in 2004, but they kept him.

Because it was nearby, and in a district where I used to live, I found Ike Skelton's loss to be very interesting. Here's a guy who's been in the House for 34 years, and about as centrist as they come. For most of his career, he sided with his party only about 60% of the time. Then, in a year when he voted with the Democrats 95% of the time, they dump him. It wasn't money (he outspent his opponent), it wasn't outside interest group money (which was about evenly split in that race). I think there's a message in there.

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

Then there are those of us caught betwixt and between. We are conservative liberals or liberal conservatives. We are the middle class, the moderates, we hear no voice of reason and we are fed up with the lot.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

The people voted? This is coming from the person who calls Obama "The Anointed One" every single day. Your comments have evolved from being a joke, to being a parody of a Karl Rove caricature.

George Lippencott 4 years, 7 months ago

Once again, I am astounded by the clairvoyance of my fellow local citizens. I do not know why anybody else voted (except my wife) but I know that I pretty much voted as the editorial suggested. Apparently, the rest of you know about all the others. Great!

I don’t know about anybody else but we are being hit financially from all directions and much of the impacts are the result of government policy. Mr. Obama and the Democrats have been there two years so that policy is now theirs.

Liberals are about 20% of the population. If you do not have the independents, you will lose. That means compromise. Did we really compromise on health care or did we shove it down people’s throats – compromising between the middle and left of the Democratic Party??

I am so glad that I will now return to paying for my checking account so we can protect people who overdraw their accounts repeatedly. Reform should not have hidden pay-offs to the banks.

I am so glad we bailed out Wall Street without placing limits on compensation. Maybe we could have just asked that they pay taxes at the salaried rate rather than have special privileges and pay as if salary was capital gains (while diluting the value of the stock in everyone’s else’s portfolio (if they have one).

I am so glad we are spending money on helping people who bought homes they could not afford. If they were too stupid to understand the terms, they should not be buying something that expensive. And don’t tell me it is all about unemployment. The concentrations of foreclosures (not here) suggest the opposite. People got greedy in rapidly increasing and unsustainable markets. Renting is always an option.

I am so glad we decided to compete our workers with the workers in India – where Mr. Obama is spending $2 Billion to attend a festival. How in the lord’s name can a machinist making $15.00 an hour and barely paying his bills compete with a worker paid $2.00 an hour and very contented? The answer is he cannot and the job moves to India – forever and unemployment becomes high and difficult to fix.

I am so glad we spend billions on unemployment and at the end of the day many of the unemployed have no jobs and we did not really help them to retrain for jobs that are available. What is it “Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; train a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime” gems from the left!!

I can go on!! But, I think millions of my fellow citizens may have spoken for me – maybe – I really do not know!!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 7 months ago

" I do not know why anybody else voted (except my wife) but I know that I pretty much voted as the editorial suggested."

I'm not surprised. The editorial was complete nonsense.

George Lippencott 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, dedicated Obamaites would misss the point.

Jimo 4 years, 7 months ago

"I can go on!!"

Please, no. Only so much unalloyed b/s can exist in one spot without becoming a certified toxic waste dump (although there seems a distinct possibility that you may exist on a different planet or perhaps even a different dimension).

The only truthful statement I see here is "I am astounded." Indeed, sir. Indeed!! (Or is it astounding?)

Perhaps if you turned off Rush and read a newspaper, you would be less astounded and more angry at the ability of people of your ilk to bite the same hooked worm and end up gutted -- again and again and again.

George Lippencott 4 years, 6 months ago

See below. BTB, just what is Rush saying. I have not tuned in for quite a while.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

Given that the majority of voters have determined to return to power the folks who created the mess we are in (amazingly short memory that) I for one would love to be on another planet! Since that doesn't seem to be in the offing, I'll stay in Lawrence. Maybe we should build a wall?

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"Maybe we should build a wall?"

That may be one thing you could get the rest of Kansas to fund for you.

George Lippencott 4 years, 7 months ago

I don't consider myself right and I agree with the cartoon. The Republicans will misread the message just as surely as the Democrats will

quimby 4 years, 7 months ago

helllooooo..... all the elections results mean is that people are unhappy about something, not that they demand conservative leadership. i'm one of the many 'american people' that conservatives think voted for them (i did not). republicans are to blame for where we are today because they haven't given the president a chance to do his job. LAWRENCE voters are awesome - We are in step with some of the best cities in this country!

Slaphappy 4 years, 7 months ago

The dollar is plummeting and the cost of food is skyrocketing. How am I going to feed by babies?

Slaphappy 4 years, 7 months ago

U.S. dollar printing is huge risk -China c.bank adviser

Nov 4 (Reuters) - Unbridled printing of dollars is the biggest risk to the global economy, an adviser to the Chinese central bank said in comments published on Thursday, a day after the Federal Reserve unveiled a new round of monetary easing.

China must set up a firewall via currency policy and capital controls to cushion itself from external shocks, Xia Bin said in a commentary piece in the Financial News, a Chinese-language newspaper managed by the central bank.

"As long as the world exercises no restraint in issuing global currencies such as the dollar -- and this is not easy -- then the occurrence of another crisis is inevitable, as quite a few wise Westerners lament," he said

How am I going to feed my babies?

Slaphappy 4 years, 7 months ago

Obama is leaving the country with 40 jets and 35 war ships. How much food could I buy for my babies if he didn't squander money on leisure trips?

kernal 4 years, 7 months ago

.... how am I going to feed my babies? Birth control.

Rozann 4 years, 7 months ago

It is a real relief that Douglas County/Lawrence is not running around saying "The sky is falling, the sky is falling". The rest of the state seems to be running on unrealistic fears. Amazing how many people will huddle together when they are afraid - and I say afraid of what? Obama simply is putting equality in the game of health care. The poor and have nots are always voiceless and left out in the name of balanced budgets. Obama is not going to let that happen. Republicans and Tea Partiers don't seem to understand that there are pronouns more important than "I" or "Me"; try using we or us, inclusive words.

Obama was handed a mess when the economy fell from years of Republican abuse. He took over an unpopular and unnecessary war and plans to end it with as much dignity and compassion as possible. He will speak up for gay rights. He will give health care for all. He will help our workforce get on its' feet, though this will be hard and will require sacrifice on everyone's part (we all had something to do with it). He is restoring honor to the name United States of America. If that is socialism, then give me a double dose.

One has to be careful not to run with the herd, develop herd mentality (little boxes, little boxes ... and they all look just the same). And ... watch out that your wallet isn't doing all the thinking. Nothing of consequence ever happens when brain, heart, and compassion are left out of the equation. I say "Keep it up Lawrence and Douglas County"; your integrity is in the right place.

From a fellow Kansan transplanted in Vermont (now there is a place of broad thinking, thank goodness!)

llama726 4 years, 6 months ago

Does the value of a vote only come from the amount of taxes paid?

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

"He took over an unpopular and unnecessary war and plans to end it with as much dignity and compassion as possible. He will speak up for gay rights. He will give health care for all. He will help our workforce get on its' feet, though this will be hard and will require sacrifice on everyone's part (we all had something to do with it). He is restoring honor to the name United States of America."

And we'll all get flying unicorns to take to work at our new jobs up in the clouds, and at lunch time we'll all join hands and sing kumbaya ...

Tell ya' what - if what he's done qualifies as "honor", then you can have a double portion, 'cause I certainly don't want mine.

ScottyMac 4 years, 7 months ago

What does this editorial say about the Lawrence Journal-World? Clearly Journal-World and its editors are off on another planet — not in the same constellation as the rest of the city.

What makes Lawrence Journal-World so out of step with the rest of the city? And will this eventually result in a newspaper that once had a bright future becoming one that, by its actions, has seen its best days as a thing of the past?

The Journal-World wasn’t always this way. Is it for the better or worse? Unfortunately, there won’t be any answers until sometime in the future, when it may be too late to make any corrective actions.

notajayhawk 4 years, 7 months ago

"What makes Lawrence Journal-World so out of step with the rest of the city?"

A newspaper is supposed to be "in step" with the city it publishes in? I thought they were supposed to be a newspaper, not just feed you what you want to hear.

sweatybutcher 4 years, 7 months ago

In 2008 the American people spoke up. In 2010 the American people spoke up. Who in the heck are the American people, and what are they saying? If you are "undecided" you have to be some sort of Zombie. Please, grab your respective "I&^&^(^%(" and help out.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

The term "Americans" would correctly refer to the entire country, not just a majority.

We're all Americans.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

But Dear Leader identifies some of us as enemies.

George Lippencott 4 years, 6 months ago

JIMO

I so treasure your enlightened opinion. Your astuteness awes me.

I do remind you that people who think like you represent 20% of the electorate. People who think like me represent about 40% and people who think like Tom represent the other 40%. Progress on your agenda requires you to compromise with or fool one of these groups. Calling them names does not help your cause.

I did not vote for the Republicans as much as I voted against the Democrats. I sure would like to see a centrist party in this country. I think we deserve one! I think it would greatly reduce all the tension. I resent having to hold my nose when I vote!

M. Lindeman 4 years, 6 months ago

All this can be fixed in two words. TERM LIMITS! So everyone stop bitching about it was that sides fault. It has now become all sides fault. Including all of ours for not limiting there time there in the first place.

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

That brings up an interesting thought that I haven't seen discussed much. Anyone know how long the incumbents that got beat had held their seats, on average?

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

"What is wrong with us? "

You want that list alphabetically, in order of prevalence, or in order of magnitude?

"Funny how the place that boasts the largest percentage of degree holders is also the place that is soooo out of step. "

Yeah, it's just the people of Kansas that don't think like those in Lawrence. Oh, wait ...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/main.results/#val=H

On the brighter side, at least you (and your degrees) are in step with the people of eastern Oklahoma, southern Arkansas, western Mississippi, and northern Minnesota. So ya' got that goin' for ya'.

camper 4 years, 6 months ago

Didn't the company who this editor works for just recently request some of that wasteful stimulus money for the purpose of expanding into more rural areas. Seems rather hypocritical.

"Despite all his big talk about reducing unemployment with billions of dollars". I like the words "big talk" used by the writer. Does not seem to be a very professional choice of words. You might find better in a High School journalism class.

In addition, this article could have been written by a John Birch society member back in the 50's. It has the same elements. Fear Socialism. fear communism. These were the peolple who though Woodrow Wilson was a communist for breaking up monopolies, Ike was a communist spy, we know what they thought about FDR and Kennedy. They even thought there was a communist message implanted on the dime. Oh boy. When Nixon visited China, they even turned on him claiming him to be a communist.

Looks like there is still an element of this in our country that gets stirred up every now and again.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

Do you have any numbers on the turnout?

And the margins of many races?

I've been curious about those figures.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

Yes.

It's rather remarkable that it's not enough for them to win, and dominate KS politics. They still have to insult and attack the minority of liberals in Lawrence.

What's that really about?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, defeated dudes. It's a cool and fruity treat on a fall evening.

notajayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

And when they melt, you have a passable substitute for kool-aid!

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