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Just blame it on the ‘liberals’

May 6, 2010

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Maybe you remember Pavlov.

For those who slept through Psych 101, Ivan Petrovich Pavlov was a Russian physiologist famous for his research into what came to be called the conditioned reflex. Pavlov taught a hungry dog to associate the ringing of a bell with the sight of food. After a while, that sound would cause the dog to salivate even when there was no food in sight.

Pavlov proved an animal could be trained to respond automatically to a given stimulus. American Spectator is about to prove it again.

As reported by Media Matters, the liberal media watchdog group, that conservative magazine recently sent an e-mail to subscribers, begging for $26,000 to cover a “shortfall created by the perverse incentives of the liberal agenda.” The note never bothered to explain what perverse incentives it meant, so I asked publisher Alfred Regnery, who wrote it. He told me the price he pays for paper is about to rise to cover increased labor, health care and tax costs anticipated under the liberal gang now running Washington.

Higher paper prices? I ran that by The Miami Herald’s Vice President of Operations Craig Woischwill, i.e., the guy who buys the paper. “Pricing’s not too bad right now,” he said. “Little bit of upward pressure. It was higher about a year and a half ago.”

How much higher? “At the end of 2008, newsprint was around $700 a ton. At the end of 2009, it was around $480. Right now, we’re around $515.”

And what of the role of perverse liberal incentives in that fluctuation? Woischwill laughed. Paper prices go up and down due to supply and demand, he said.

In other words, the free market at work. Imagine that. Not that I’m here to argue the price of paper. No, I’m here to parse Regnery’s incantation of one word: liberal.

Conservative pols and pundits have done an astonishing job of rendering that word a synonym for a kind of birth defect that leaves one effete and nonsensical, even as they made “conservative” interchangeable with the healthy patriotism of the common folk. If you didn’t know better, you’d never know liberals fought to end segregation and child labor — or that conservatives opposed them.

This is not to say conservatives have never been right (“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall”) or liberals wrong (“Let’s bomb Afghanistan with butter”). Rather, it is to note how successful conservatives have been in redefining those terms for their own use — and in getting people to respond to them in predictable ways.

The byproduct of this chicanery is seen in the troubled political fortunes of Florida Gov. Charlie Crist and Arizona Sen. John McCain, conservative Republicans forced to, on the one hand, leave the party and on the other, reverse long-held positions. Because in an era where ideology equals identity, their tendency to sometimes think an independent thought is heresy.

The byproduct is also evident in American political discourse, which increasingly takes place in alternate realities, spewing forth great clouds of words that say nothing.

But if these are hard times for independent thinkers and political discourse, they are boom times for politicians, pundits — and publishers — who have mastered the simple-minded Pavlovian politi-speak of the day: Conservative, good; liberal, evil. It’s telling that even liberals don’t use the word liberal any more.

It’s also telling that American Spectator felt no need to mount even a dubious argument about paper prices in asking readers for $26,000; it was sufficient to say the magazine was under siege from — ugh — liberals.

And I have no doubt their readers will come through. One is reminded of Pavlov’s poor dog, salivating helplessly whenever the bell was rung. Though I suppose the comparison is unfair in a way.

After all, “dogs” can’t reason.

— Leonard Pitts Jr., is a columnist for the Miami Herald. lpitts@miamiherald.com

Comments

barrypenders 4 years, 7 months ago

For a vaunted Noble Laureate, the Pitts is showing his PADness, by imitating 'Normal' people's observation that the Poser blames his issues on Bush. This cat Pitts, is copying.

The Pitts is 'Behind' the 'Curve' on the 'Blaming' issue.

Everyone knows that 'Liberals' are essential for the existence of man on the planet. There are many 'Examples' of 'Liberal' colonies throughout the Planet, that are handy. As this country moves away from 'Conservative' societal methods, 'Liberal' carefree methods will progressive the landscape to levels yet unknown.

Stimulus, Handy Liberal Colonies PAD'd, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

"'Liberal' carefree methods will progressive the landscape to levels yet unknown." Does this actually mean anything?

David Albertson 4 years, 7 months ago

Barry lives in his own world. Just ignore him. I think he escaped the nursing home.........Sorry, retirement community.

georgiahawk 4 years, 7 months ago

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grammaddy 4 years, 7 months ago

I don't know why Barry and Nancy-Tom even bother to read Leonard Pitts. All they ever do is find fault, never anything constructive. Why do I expect anything different from backward thinking arses, anyway.? Thank you for your effort georgiahawk!!

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

If you want people to treat you with some sensitivity, then I would think you'd have to change your posting habits.

Almost every post is a vitriolic attack on "liberals".

What do you expect?

Kirk Larson 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, apparent from your postings, conservatives DO have feelings: selfishness, pettiness, distaste for compassion, a kind of economic narcissism, xenophobia,...I could go on, but space is limited.

jonas_opines 4 years, 7 months ago

That just means that you have thin skin, and can dish it out but not take it in return.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

"Again, libs love labels and pidgeon-holing a person or persons into this group or that group." Pardon me, but that is exactly what you did in your diatribe.

anonyname 4 years, 7 months ago

Can we agree that Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Glenn Beck are conservatives? I don't think I'd categorize their treatment of people with views opposing their own as kind, seeking well-reasoned debates on the issues at hand. "Liberal" seems to be their gift from god, if I may borrow your phrase. I'm not claiming that every liberal or progressive provides a shining example of how to relate to others, but "ironically" your post helps make the point that conservatives/neocons/teabaggers do their fair share of labeling and categorizing, not necessarily being tolerant of people with opposing views.

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

I wonder what Irving Kristol would think of your accusation that liberals call conservatives "neocons."

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

hater of open political discourse, can't wrap his brain around opposing arguments

he's so predictable dem/prog/lib = good repub/con = bad

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

I am no believer in this “hard work, perseverance, and taking advantage of your opportunities” that these Magazines are so fond of writing some fellow up in. The successful don’t work any harder than the failures. They get what is called in baseball the breaks. (Will Rogers)

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

Amazing that the only responders so far are the "predicatable" ones, indepenant1;

dem/prog/lib = bad repub/con = good

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

let me help you out here, dem/necessary lesser and rep/another necessary lesser thank gawd for loyal oppositions

booyalab 4 years, 7 months ago

can we at least agree on this..

"liberal"=not liberal

Not that conservatives are liberal either, but it's a much smaller percentage than half the population that places individual liberty at the core of their political belief system.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

By the way, did you deliberately misspell your name? It's "independent" as in the Declaration Of Independence. You have the scent of tea about you. If you're an "independent", I'm the whale from Free Willy.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

for the record, no party affiliation not since SDS, became disillusioned but aware

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

have voted in every election since 1967, kicked out of precinct in the 1st one, the little old lady at the precinct didn't recognize me. that's the way it was, really pi$$ed me off

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

If I had any idea of what you mean when you write, Barry, I would know whether I have been insulted or complimented. However, I think you, too, are part of the Tea party; the Mad Hatter's Tea Party :)

Truthspeaker 4 years, 7 months ago

Oh, I see what you did there with the reference. You linked the idea of a tea party with the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland. Wow, did you come up with that by yourself or did you have someone help you with that gem? I just hope you are careful with that oh-so-sharp wit of yours, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

Ahhh Mr. Crankypants is cranky this morning. Can't take a cute little joke. Maybe he got up too early and should go back to bed for a bit?

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

OK - so I can't help but notice you seem to like the term "posercare." What is it that you mean by that? Or is it too hard to formulate something more than a soundbite?

grammaddy 4 years, 7 months ago

Not for the sake of ending slavery, but to keep the country united. Talk about revisionist history. And the Republican party hasn't done diddly for miorities since then either.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

Today's Republican party has about as much to do with the party of Lincoln as today's Democratic party has to do with post Civil War Dixiecrats.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

The Republicans of Lincoln's day were 180 degrees from the elephants of today.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Back in Lincoln's time, the Republican party was the liberal one. Oh noez, Lincoln was a liberal.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

"In our opinion, it was the war spending that ended the depression, although it wasn’t that simple, and it doesn’t mean that we can necessarily spend ourselves out of the current crisis. Although some people erroneously concluded that the war itself was good for the economy, it was really the spending that did it rather than the war.

Viewed simply, it seems that if a nation spends enough it can spend its way out of depression, and that the problem before the war was that the nation just did not spend enough. Carrying this thought further, you are probably correct to think that spending on items that can be used rather than destroyed is more helpful to the economy.

Having said that, the problem is not that simple. World War ll brought the nation back to full employment, but since so much of the wartime production was wasted there were not enough products and services on the market to meet the potential demand created by the newfound income resulting from the production of war goods.

Therefore, to prevent soaring inflation the government resorted to rationing a wide array of key products and the sale of war bonds to siphon off income into savings and depress consumption. This resulted in a big buildup of savings that was available for consumer spending after the war. In addition the military force was expanded to about 11 million in a population far smaller than today’s.

And, of course, transferring 11 million people out of the labor force into the military was a huge factor in reaching full employment. Let’s also not forget that there was a paucity of civilian big ticket items produced during the war, resulting in a big increase in replenishment demand in the post-war period.

Therefore conditions after the war were ideal for a resumption of prosperity—lots of consumer savings, little debt, loads of pent-up demand and millions of newly-released veterans who needed housing.

In other words there was an abundance of consumer liquidity that took many years to run down.

Conditions are obviously a lot different today. While the economy is far less depressed than during the 1930’s, consumers are still heavily in debt, savings are low, housing is in oversupply and foreigners own too much of our government debt.

Overall, we have a lot of doubt as to whether, as a nation, we can spend ourselves out of the recession, although doing nothing would be disastrous as well. That’s why we have been so bearish on stocks. "

So how much dollars and sense is there in reducing USA wages and sending USA industry and jobs abroad? The USA economy is centered around spending and saving which requires money. Spending and saving requires good paying wages...

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Ta! Da!

And the birth of consumer lending/credit.

a la State Loan Finance Corp. (cars, ice boxes, wringer washing machines)

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

You are forgetting that attribution thing again, merrill. Plagiarism makes the Baby Al Gore cry.

bad_dog 4 years, 7 months ago

You seem to whimper about it quite a bit too, Snap. Perhaps you and Al can cry on each others' shoulder.

Why not either refute based on the "merits" or refer Merrill to the Library of Congress for punishment.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

Reagan brought out all this chit chat about the "Free Market".

I have discovered that local politicians,local developers,corp america and our state/federal elected officials have determined that the "Free Market" means that taxpayers pick up the tab by way of back door tax subsidies.

Like the tax our city commissioners are about to approve that allows shoppers to help developers pay for new construction each time a shopper checks out. In fact this is happening as we speak in Lawrence,kansas. So "FREE Market = taxpayers pay while real estate executives and developer executives laugh all of the way to the bank.... with the help of our big city government.

This is a good read on how local executives stick local taxpayers with the bills: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_how_the_wealthiest_americans

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Politicians on both sides of the aisle fill their pockets with money from special intereests. Campaign war chests are full of $$$, where did that money come from.

my special interest money is better than yours

Richard Heckler 4 years, 7 months ago

"Lawrence,Kansas tax abatement policy itself is fatally flawed.

Tax abatements do not attract firms or retain business. The enforcement of tax abatements in Lawrence is shameful with the majority of abated firms failing to perform as promised and the City doing nothing. It makes Lawrence the laughing stock of site selection officers. Yet our employee, the Chamber of Commerce, continues to advocate for this failed program.

We have to wonder why someone is sponsoring a modification that will not fix the problems with the policy. Rather than weak modifications, we should be scraping the policy and engaging in real economic development and smart growth."

Kirk McClure

It seems to me that Tax Abatements and "Free Market" contradict one another.

It's time to place issues of this nature on a ballot for voter approval.

It's time for a new law that protects tax dollars and tax payers from mismanagement, potential reckless and/or fiscally irresponsible spending of OUR tax dollar revenues.

All projects whether it be private for profit or not that impact our tax dollar revenue is the business of every taxpayer in Lawrence,Kansas and Douglas County.

Tax dollar items such as: new infrastructure water and sewer lines plus maintenance expenditures street maintence public schools fire departments city hall expenses new parks and maintenance trash service Law Enforcement Ambulance service storm water run off flood control

The above is but a tax dollar short list.

Mike Ford 4 years, 7 months ago

that republican Abraham Lincoln, was a moderate republican. this party of litmus test god, guns, and abortion dumblicans would run him out as the GOP tried to do so in the 1864 election. The GOP in the last forty years has taken on the southern state's rights mantra of the ex-Democratic Dixiecrat racists who got left behind when Harry Truman integrated the military in 1948. We're glad that the GOP took these racists from the Democratic Party. It would be nice if the GOP acknowledged their true roots in the purge of moderates from their party. OH well. THE LEDS Penders and Shewmon were the first to post; go figure.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

who's the old guy limbaugh calls "Sheets"?

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

Oh Shoeman, you can't seriously think the southern segregationists are in Democratic party. They left in droves when LBJ pushed civil rights. The last dinosaurs in the public eye were Helms and Thurmond, Republicans. The "white, southern, Republican" (and racist) base of the teabaggers are the backbone of the shrinking tent of the Republican party.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Take a look at what's happening in Greece. Their government is struggling to achieve a degree of fiscal responsibility. Three people have died in riots this week. Those who fear that they will be removed from the government teat are getting all fire-bomby.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

More than 300 people died in football riots in Lima. Clearly, soccer is a dangerous sport enjoyed only by hooligans.

scott3460 4 years, 7 months ago

That is demonstrably false. The Greek citizens are enraged at the bailouts and special treatment that was available for fertain well connected groups in their society and for being told they will now pay the price when the house of cards comes tumbling down.

Sounds vaguely familiar, no?

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

After a football game in Lima, Peru, five were killed. Up here we don’t kill our football players. We make coaches out of the smart ones and send the others to the Legislature. (Will Rogers) He was 8/32 cherokee wasn't he?

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

Pitts' point is valid.

Somehow the word "liberal" has become an insult and is perceived negatively.

It's obvious to me that liberals have some valid points, and that conservatives do as well. Instead of playing the "We're good, you're bad" game, why don't we try to incorporate the best of both philosophies?

whats_going_on 4 years, 7 months ago

working together? bipartisanship? progress?

funny, you made a funny.

But really, I agree with you, I hate this stupid "we're good, you're bad" game. Adult immaturity at it's finest.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm tired of the political party system. All they do is try to score points against each other instead of thinking of the good and bad in proposals. It drives me batty.

anonyname 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, we're well aware of your preference.

Jay Keffer 4 years, 7 months ago

Beo is just obsessed with that term. Preferred indeed.

At ease, sailor!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Worth repeating: “28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… …Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back.” ;)

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

All you need to prove the racist label valid is to look at a few of the posters carried at bagger rallies. If it walks like a duck...

whats_going_on 4 years, 7 months ago

You're right, no one party is worse than the other about name calling.

However, you have no room to complain about this.

BadLlama 4 years, 7 months ago

Interesting article from the Socialist party about how far from Socialism the Obama politics are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031301899.html

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Drop to "socialist" garbage. I mean, really? How so? Please, really, tell me how is Obama a socialist? I'd really like to know what your definition is, and where you found it?

BadLlama 4 years, 7 months ago

Fox News, who else? They are using McCarthy-esque tactics to scare the gullible public. I wish people would not believe everything they hear on the television. Do some independent research and form your own opinions. Conservative and liberal media are both guilty of telling people what to believe.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

If you're young and conservative you have no heart, if you're old and liberal you have no brain.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

I see you persist in name-calling.

I'm not a "lib", or liberal across the board, either.

If you don't mind the reactions to your posts, then by all means continue in the vein you seem to prefer.

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Hey Shewmon - if things are not going well for the "obama agenda" - why are you so upset by it? If things are not working well for our duly elected President, what's the issue?

I suspect, Mr. Shewmon, that you are really Glenn Beck's little brother, crying out for attention from Daddy Rush.

BigAl 4 years, 7 months ago

Actually Tom, things are looking pretty good. We have avoided an all out depression. The stock market is back up strong, the economy seems to be buzzing along and my business is making great strides. The birds are singing, the grass is green and trees are all budding out.

I know that you pay a lot of attention to the corrupt right wing media but all in all, we seem to be rebounding quite well considering how far we had slipped.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm liberal and proud of it 55, but I do not adhere to the accepted principles of statism. I would appreciate it if you would not label me. Label yourself, thank you.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

And if at 50 he hasn't realized the error of his ways he is an ass.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Actually, that was François Pierre Guillaume Guizot.

acg 4 years, 7 months ago

I prefer teabagger, too. It's so fitting, as every time one of them opens their pie-hole, I can totally envision a pair on their chin.

headdoctor 4 years, 7 months ago

I see that a good share of Pavlov's trained dogs showed up to post. roflmao

cowboy 4 years, 7 months ago

And in todays news...

"George Alan Rekers, a prominent anti-gay activist who co-founded the conservative Family Research Council , was caught returning from a 10-day trip to Europe with a male escort he found on Rentboy.com."

Co - Founded the Family Research council with the conscience of the republican party , James Dobson.

Right wingers , the gift that keeps on giving , something

Jay Keffer 4 years, 7 months ago

Sick, you know what this term means. Got kids? Want them to be exposed to your vile remarks?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 7 months ago

Reikers said he hired his "companion" to carry luggage and so forth. I laughed so hard I cried. That's as good as Jimmy Swaggert's excuse when he was caught with a prostitute that he was trying to "witness to her" and was "reading the Bible" to her.

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Maybe he was hired to help with the teabag movement?

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

I heard he had met him a few years ago at a press conference at the Bush White House.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Just keep making up your own history, bub. It's very amusing.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

So, "teabagger" is okay but other crude terms for sexual activity aren't? Very balanced there, LJW!

bad_dog 4 years, 7 months ago

Yet more whimpering to a "higher authority" as a diversionary tactic. You are helping make an implicit reference explicit. Try pointing that accusatory finger back at yourself, snappy.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

I wonder about folks like TS, who seem so interested in "oppositional" identities. Rather than being pro-anything, he seems to be only anti.

What are you for, TS?

By the way, I wonder the same thing about my father-in-law, who is somewhat similar in tone, but with a liberal slant.

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

Gee, I've lived a sheltered life. I have no idea of this oft-alluded to other meaning of teabaggers, and I've never been to Cleveland, either. I think I prefer to remain in ignorance of these meanings, thanks.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

First off, Jeanine Garofalo isn't a lesbian. Secondly, the movement itself started the term. You had conservatives on TV shows with tea bags and protesters holding signs saying, "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.

We can't be held responsible for your inability to Google.

Olympics 4 years, 7 months ago

TS continues to post nonsense. A fact-less statement....how much time do we as a collective, want to spend demonstrating again and again his lack of credibility on most issues?

TS, let us know when you want to join a fact-based world.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

You need to watch more John Waters films.

Words have many meanings. Just ask former senator Santorum.

scopi_guy 4 years, 7 months ago

Martha Plimpton as Tina in that movie was outstanding.

It was the first time I'd heard of that term.

headdoctor 4 years, 7 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… It's ironic too, the person who I feel really popularized the word, Jeanine Garofalo, would likely not ever engage in that activity, due to her sexual orientation.


There you go making assumptions based on sexual orientation. Even if Sarah will it doesn't mean Jeanine wont. You really should get out of your mom's basement and see for yourself what goes on in the world. There really is a world of truth out there that you will never know if your total idea of truth comes from Fox news.

headdoctor 4 years, 7 months ago

Heehee, I figured taking a swipe at the lust of your life would get a response. Geekyhost is correct. Jeanine in not a lesbian but in the scheme of things it wouldn't matter if she was or wasn't.

georgiahawk 4 years, 7 months ago

'whatever'. 'Send' me a 'dime' and I will 'buy' you a 'clue' and send it to 'you'. A dime won't 'buy' much of a clue, but right now you seem to be 'totally clueless'.

georgiahawk 4 years, 7 months ago

I appreciate you personalizing PAD just for me. I will wear it with honor, although I am still a PAD Sunflowerseed at heart!

Olympics 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, the republicans are the big tent party of INCLUSION!!! Hahahahaha.

"I'm not saying all Republicans are racist, sexist homophobes, just the people they elect into office to represent them, are." -David Cross

Olympics 4 years, 7 months ago

take a look in the mirror for an example.

scott3460 4 years, 7 months ago

So the poster who mere hours earlier complained of the repeated use of the term "teabaggers" to describe the group that originally called themselves teabaggers (an hilarious Fruedian slip) now drags out the "feminazi" slur.

Perhaps he'll explain why he's not a hypocrite.

tomatogrower 4 years, 7 months ago

The real issue here is "Do you subscribe to this magazine?" Aren't you upset that you were lied to? So you just follow along blindly and send more money to this guy for lying to you? Conservatives, doesn't this make you angry?

thusspokezarathustra 4 years, 7 months ago

"I'd say the remnants of Dixiecrats are really the heart and soul of the Democratic Party."

Wow, Tom, you really show your ignorance of political science & history here. The Southern Strategy has been an acknowledged practice of the Republican party since Nixon.
Here is Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970, "From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. " Yet you're always telling everyone on this site exactly what Liberals are or love to do & you have no clue of the history of the Republican party. By the way Republicans haven't been the party of Lincoln since Teddy Roosevelt split the party by running as a Bull Moose Progressive against William Howard Taft, all the Lincoln progressives left.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

Limbaugh blamed Obama when unemployment went up his third week into the Presidency, but that fact that the past 4 weeks unemployment has gone down, he dismisses as unimportant.

They have sides, not facts, not values and certainly not morals.

Win at all costs for your side, to hell with any facts, if the facts contradict them, they just ignore them or dismiss them.

That makes them liars, nothing more

anonyname 4 years, 7 months ago

Did you not notice that the elected Obama's apparent need to appear bipartisan in order to please a Republican, any Republican, led him to weaken the health care bill so much that many liberals/progressives didn't recognize it, and ended up opposing it?

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Back room deals, eh Shewmon? Kind of like what the right side of the aisle was trying to require with finance reform a couple weeks ago? They vote, what - three times?, to keep the item from public discourse.

Glass houses, Mr. Shewmon, glass houses.

BTW- you're my new favoite hobby. But it's really not very hard swatting your . . . um - "logic", so I suspect I'll get bored soon.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom, how many times do we have to say this -- he isn't the Annointed One, he is the Elected One. Get it! He was elected by the people and for the people. Every time you say he is "annointed" just goes to prove you are nothing but a sore loser and you hate democracy when it doesn't go your way. That isn't patriotism, but it is pathetic.

jaywalker 4 years, 7 months ago

Puhleeze, Mr. Pitts! This exact same tack could be written about the left's compulsion to "blame the conservatives" for everything as mundane as water being wet, although the more popular term would probably be "right wingers." And it's tiresome no matter who's shrieking, thank you.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

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beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

So jay, the left -- the entire left -- has a "compulsion" to blame all things on "right wingers," yet you find broadstroke assumptions of large groups to be tiresome.

Brilliant.

geekyhost 4 years, 7 months ago

Last I heard, we had both free press and free elections, and people who wanted to get elected didn't give boring speeches in front of lime green backdrops or forget how many houses they owned.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom, do you really think I bother to do spell check before I make a post? I type it in and there it goes. Please. We aren't publishing here, mistakes and typos happen.

Besides, just to be pedantic and call you on the obvious, there are actually two "n"s in anointed.

However, there is only one "n" in knucklehead.

The obvious point is that you completely dismiss all of your fellow Americans who voted for Obama. That is being a whiney, un-American, un-patriotic, party-first, sore loser. Obama was elected by the voters of America, just as he will be RE-elected in 2012. Deal with it.

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Oh, now I see, Tom - glad you're here to explain to us that the 2008 election didn't really happen, and it was all a media conspiracy. Kinda like the moon landing.

thusspokezarathustra 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom, the Dixiecrats split with the Democrats in 1948 led by Strom Thurmond but ran in only one presidential election. Ever since Barry Goldwater carried the deep south losing to LBJ they have been Republicans. In fact Strom Thurmond switched to the Republicans to support Goldwater. So your statement, "I'd say the remnants of Dixiecrats are really the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. It's just that they aim at a different target nowadays." is still wrong. There are no Dixiecrats left in the Democratic party, in fact Obama only managed to carry Virginia, North Carolina & Florida south of the old Mason-Dixon line. Either you are not using the term Dixiecrat correctly or are ignorant of it's historical definition, I know which one I think it is.

thusspokezarathustra 4 years, 7 months ago

The DOW collapsed because it closed down 3%? From the article you linked, "The Dow ended the day at 10,520.32, down 347.80, or 3.2 percent, according to preliminary figures. "

Remember October 19, 1987, Reagan was President and the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged a record 508 points, or 22.6%? The crash abruptly ended a five-year bull market and led to a 17 percent collapse of stock values worldwide. Good times!

Keep trying to blame Obama but truth is were still cleaning up the mess of 24 years of Republican leadership.

cowboy 4 years, 7 months ago

Hey Tom , Republicans are more than allowed to be gay , seems many of them are. The problem is when you are a world renown anti gay who happens to be gay , Problemo senor .

"UPDATE: The escort now says Rekers is indeed gay, and that Rekers paid him to perform daily nude body rubs during their European jaunt. "It's a situation where he's going against homosexuality when he is a homosexual," the young man told the New Times

Rekers has a new explanation for the trip. "I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them," he said in a statement posted on Facebook."

"Rekers, who is also a professor emeritus of neuropsychiatry at the University of South Carolina and a Baptist minister, recently testifed against gay adoption in Florida, where he resides. Raw Story flagged a particularly jarring article in which he claims that children adopted by gay couples are more likely to commit suicide.

The retired professor has remained far less high-profile than his Family Research Council co-founder James Dobson, but he is an extremely prolific author of books like Who Am I? Lord and Growing Up Straight: What Families Should Know About Homosexuality. He has also advised members of Congress, the White House, and the Department of Health and Human Services, according to the New Times story, which is worth reading in its entirety."

thusspokezarathustra 4 years, 7 months ago

Briefly, Tom, but if you read the entire paragraph it states "before quickly regaining about half of those losses. " What matters is where it ends up not the fluctuations of the day's trading.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"...listening the druggie will do that..." I thought Dear Leader was cutting down on the nose candy.

scott3460 4 years, 7 months ago

One stock I know is down is BP Oil. Tom, how's that tiny loss feeling?

Just knowing you own stock in BP brings a smile to mind as I drive by and choose to do business elsewhere.

scott3460 4 years, 7 months ago

BP is in trouble as a result of their own poor business decisions and the failure of the bush administration to provide competent governmental regulation in the public interest. I fail to see how any policy of President Obama's is responsible for BP's dramatic losses.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"Ah, this again. Some guy at an early tea party was photographed carrying a “Tea Bag the Democrats Before They Tea Bag You” sign, and henceforth, unto eternity, all tea partiers are expected to politely endure being derided in those terms. We started it — and by “we,” I of course mean some random guy and a few others — and therefore we must accept the consequences. Forever. Which, in an odd way, makes perfect sense: Not only does it follow the guilt-by-association mania by which any one tea partier is responsible for the sins of any other member, but it also illustrates the left’s unwillingness to accept blame for its own smears. It simply can’t be the case that they’re going into the gutter because they enjoy it; they’re too virtuous for that. It must be that we asked for it...." http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/06/olby-on-obamas-teabagger-comment-you-asked-for-it/

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

boo hoo boo hoo. The mean people are picking on me. booooo hooooo. Did you stamp your little feet when you wrote this? boo hoo

teabaggers are simple and funny.

Jay Keffer 4 years, 7 months ago

Bea is obsessed with that term.

At ease sailor!

Mike Ford 4 years, 7 months ago

this is amazing. I commented at seven a.m. this morning and these two Loud Emotional Dimwits have kept this posting going all day with a bunch of unrelated nonsense. Go ahead, let the trees fall in the woods and ignore them. Arguing only gives them validation. I can have a bad day come and read their garbage and dismiss their rantings in forty five seconds with little effort. Let the misguided teawhatevers on the back of the angry blind elephant collapse with little or no political direction or office victories to show for their angry ignorance. Who's afraid of the angry directionless ranting people who lost the last elections? I'm not.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

whomever blogs last wins?

Live your life so that whenever you lose, you are ahead. (Will Rogers) that 8/32 cherokee dude

Brent Garner 4 years, 7 months ago

barrypenders, are you referring to the European debt crisis as manifested in Greece and soon to rear its head in Portugal, Spain, and the UK, to name a few? Oh, and let's not forget the US? Oh that's right, the IMF/World Bank is going to come to the rescue. News flash. The IMF/World Bank only has money that is given to it by member nations. Care to guess who contributes the largest amount? You got it! Good old Uncle Sam. So, what that means is that you and I, my fellow Americans, are going to be holdling the bag on Europe's debt which we will pay off either in higher taxes or higher inflation. How does it feel to be a money slave to the world?

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

There ain't no income tax in Russia because there ain't no income. (Will Rogers) partly cherokee american mongrel

georgiahawk 4 years, 7 months ago

News flash Tom, politicians of one party or another do not run DC, money does! Specifically big corporation money! Also, given your constant rant of diatribe, there is not a chance in hell you would even be able to recognize what America is thinking. You have no objectivity to make an observation worth listening to.

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

Whatever, Leonard Pitts. Actually, I will be glad to blame it on liberals. Liberals say that the job market is improving. Today, I read where 9.9% of Americans are still unemployed while 290,000 jobs were created. Let's see, for every 1 job created in the private sector there are about 5 jobs in the government. What say you, liberals?

Kirk Larson 4 years, 7 months ago

I say conservatives can't seem to do details. You see, people who have quit looking for work are not counted in the unemployment rate. Now that the economy is looking up, many who had quit looking are now out looking for work again, therefore the unemployment rate has gone up despite the fact that more jobs were created last month than any month in the last four years. You need to look beyond the first few sentences of an article. Maybe bone up on some facts and history about the economy.

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

Ok, JTF, you happy now?! I had a job during George W. Bush's presidency. Now I don't. I was laid off. You happy now?

whats_going_on 4 years, 7 months ago

Everytime I see this blog title I immediately start singing Jamie Foxx "Blame it"

it's getting irritating.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

Anyone notice that the teabaggers did not get out the vote in the recent primaries?

bruno2 4 years, 7 months ago

So, after blaming it all on Obama, we now know the computers went crazy and caused the Dow drop after some guy blew a trade. Gee, maybe Obama messed up the computers?

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

Bruno, it's not Obama's fault, though, maybe JTF had a hand in it. Ah, come on, people, if liberals cannot take a joke, then there's absolutely no hope for this nation.

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

If taking a joke is the most important thing, I fear for the future of our country.

And, btw, conservatives seem to be sorely lacking a sense of humor.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom, what are you going to do if Obama does in fact win the next election? And please don't say "he won't, so I won't have to worry about it". I think a lot of us would like to know what you would do when/if that happens.

Also to Tom, snap, barry, and other like-minded posters: What is your reasoning behind terms such as "Dear Leader", "The Chosen One", etc. all of the time? Is it because he was loved so much by those who voted for him, or is it purely because of the perceived favoritism from the media? Either way, why are you spewing your vitriol against him, instead of those voters or the media? That really makes no sense to me, as you're hating one someone for being what you see as too loved by either group according to you. Is that his fault?

I personally don't remember all of these hateful terms being used against Clinton when he was in office, even though he was loved as much as Obama at the time. I do remember that a segment of the population hated him, but all of these terms you constantly use didn't exist that that time. It makes me wonder what your real motive is, and it doesn't look good for you as so-called patriotic Americans.

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

Ferris, I am not the first to tell you this ok. The national media is full of scum. LOOK at it. Katie Couric, Brian Williams, & the like. They all love Obama. Tell me this, you say we should blame the voters & the media. How do we blame the media? I know a boycott can be possible, but how does that work? We can't go to those news studios to stage a protest on the air. Any suggestions?

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

JTF, where do I begin then? Seems as though people say news is pure entertainment. Where are some of the hard core news sources I could pursue? Please give me some ideas. Let me give you a little tid bit, alright. I am a moderate. I support a woman's right to choose. Something the Ks. legislature tried to take away. You want extremism, they in Topeka represent that kind of extremism. I frankly am disgusted with both parties, in all honesty. What I really want to see is another party giving the GOP & the Dems a run for their money. We need better choices in this country.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

rhd99, you missed my point. You and others are spouting off towards the wrong person. I agree that the media saw Obama as their darling this last time around, but I also saw the exact same thing when Bush ran in 2000 without much care from now-whiny voters.

jstthefacts has a good point, which is what I try to adhere to as well. I read articles from several different news outlets throughout the day, except for the obviously partisan ones on both sides of the isle. I then filter out what is obvious personal views by the article's writer, and get down to the facts. Maybe it's because I'm an Independent, but that's how I choose to work my way through the news.

Some good news sources that show several points of view in my opinion are Charlie Rose (PBS), Reuters, AP News, and even NBS Nightly News (not MSNBC). I also go through Google News and Yahoo News, because they pull their stories from several different sources.

All told, I think that too many of these constantly anti-Obama posters make their arguments look extremely weak by resorting to elementary name-calling and attempts at clever word-spinning, instead of debating the facts of current events. If they were to focus on pure debate instead, they'd be respected more by a lot of independent thinkers on this and other similar sites.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

What is their reasoning? Seriously? Does someone need to light a cross on fire in order to make a point around here?

As Tom recently wrote, "Whites are powerless right now." Clearly, some people really want to get their "White power" back. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/apr/22/tea-party-anger-has-racial-tone/#c1220857

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"I personally don't remember all of these hateful terms being used against Clinton when he was in office, even though he was loved as much as Obama at the time. " Slick Willie never had the cult of personality that's bloomed around Dear Leader.

whats_going_on 4 years, 7 months ago

Also to Tom, snap, barry, and other like-minded posters: What is your reasoning behind terms such as "Dear Leader", "The Chosen One", etc. all of the time?

Bitterness.

There is no other explanation for it. Normal disagreement or dislike doesn't go into an article about soda, bicycle wrecks, and bus passes in measly Ltown and attempt to turn it into Lib-bashing.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies… "I personally don't remember all of these hateful terms being used against Clinton when he was in office, even though he was loved as much as Obama at the time. " Slick Willie never had the cult of personality that's bloomed around Dear Leader.

That's honestly the biggest load of crapola that I've heard in a while. Clinton had plenty of dedicated followers, including the black community. Most people really loved him, because they felt like he was like one of them. He started out with nothing, and built himself up to be a Rhodes scholar and President. If you don't see that, then you are blind.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

No, I think people such as yourself are the ones making it into a bigger event than it is with comments such as "The Anointed One". I think that it's great that America finally voted for a non-white man for president, and hopefully the first woman president will soon follow.

In addition, I'd really like to see the 2-party system gone away with, in favor of new parties with new ideas that could make our country better. And no, that doesn't include the Tea Party, because they've allowed themselves to be infiltrated by racists and other extremists without comdemnation within their own group.

But other than that, people like you are losing it over someone that was rightfully voted for as OUR president. Get over it already. Debate the issues, and try an entire post without the routine elementary name-calling. It defeats the purpose of your argument.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

Wow Tom, I didn't realize that being happy about diversity as a whole makes me a bigot. If fact, I believe it's to the contrary. Wikipedia defines a bigot as "...a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.". How does being tired of the status-quo make someone a bigot? You like to throw loaded words out there, but you don't seem to know their meaning. That makes you ignorant; please look that word up before replying.

If you ask most people reading these posts on a daily basis, I believe that they'd agree that you are the real bigot here at LJWorld.com. So please stop projecting your bigotry onto me.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Speaking of the systemic corruption in Dear Leader's home town of Chicago:

“Cook County Board President Todd Stroger handed a $54,000 raise to his chief financial officer, one of several recent salary sweeteners that prompted county commissioners to seek an accounting by Friday.

Stroger recently boosted the salary of CFO Jaye Williams, the wife of onetime Chicago Board of Education President Rufus Williams, to $230,000, up from about $176,000, commissioners said. Details of the increase surfaced just days after the board curbed Stroger's authority to hire and spend money in response to a new hiring scandal in his administration.

Jaye Williams is one of several county employees who received raises without County Board approval, in violation of a December resolution aimed at controlling costs, said Commissioner John Daley, D-Chicago. He expects to receive a report Friday detailing all the raises….” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-stroger-hiring-20100506,0,5164791.story “The death of Metra executive director Philip Pagano, struck by a Metra train this morning, "appears to be a suicide," the McHenry County coroner says.

Pagano -- under investigation for financial irregularities -- appeared to walk in front of the train just west of Terra Cotta Road on Hillside Road in Crystal Lake at about 8:10 a.m., sources say…” http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/05/metra-chief-dies-after-being-struck-by-train.html

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

snap, although I do like when posters enter sources of what they are trying to say, I must say that you are turning in a copy & paste poster such as Merrill. Is that what you intend with these sorts of posts? What does this last post have to do with the article on blaming "Libs", or even current events? Does any of that affect me here in Lawrence? I say no.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Just commenting on Dear Leader's political roots.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

No you aren't, you are trying to smear someone through false associations. It is the Sarah Palin "pal around with terrorists" schtick that works so well on the simple-minded.

Using your logic, David Karesh lived in Texas, so that should help us understand George Bush's religious views. Or all Republicans try to pick up men in restrooms like Senator Craig.

It is cheap, and it is boring. I can see why it appeals to you.

The President is Near!

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom, what the %*&^ are you talking about? How did Snap's cut and paste attempts at smearing the president with false associations or your cry that "Whites are powerless now" have anything to do with Islamic extremists? WOW is right!

esteshawk 4 years, 7 months ago

Widespread, Shewmon (rhymes with "Newman")? Not really any more widespread than rightwing christian extremists. Look around. McVeigh. The Michigan group. Abortion clinic bombings and murders. I could go on, but to say "widespread" is a misnomer. Most who practice Islam are just as peaceful as most christians.

Have you ever met a muslim, shewmon? I doubt it.

rhd99 4 years, 7 months ago

JTF & Ferris, thanks for helping me better understand the complexities of this crazy political puzzle. Yes, Obama is the President, & yes, I hope he can find ways to create the conditions for a brighter futurer in America. while not overlooking the jobs report out today. I just hope that as I make the effort to find that better job, the conditions will continue to be better. I have been a jerk the last few days, & I didn't mean to be. I am struggling to figure out where to go next. I am as human they come. I believe that America's days will be brighter. I know it will take time. Don't get me wrong, I know the fixes are not going to be quick & easy. I just hope our leaders have the courage to do the right thing.

ferrislives 4 years, 7 months ago

Thanks rhd99, that's nice to here. I hope that things get better for you and other Americans as well, because these are tough times for almost all of us. The good news to me is that we don't have the same exact people who led us into this mess in offices now, which will hopefully help with some of that. No one is the complete answer, including Obama, but I'm trying to keep hope that the roller coaster we call the American economy will recover soon. And that's regardless of who's in power.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

The blog that just refuses to die.

All things good = dem/lib/prog/secular All things bad = rep/con/christian

I got my mind straight boss. (Cool Hand Luke) Shaking the bush down here boss, shaking the bush. (Cool Hand Luke)

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

"...Liberals love being instructed that their opinions are not liberal at all, because if their opinions are liberal, that implies a choice has been made, and if there ever was in fact a choice, that implies (though it does not prove) that another choice was possible and even legitimate, and liberals are not fond of acknowledging that opinions contrary to their own have some merit.

They prefer being instructed that their opinions are not opinions at all, but facts and/or simple common sense and/or the manifestly just and right way to view the world.

They do not usually acknowledge their politics as matters of ethics, in which one's responsibilities, duties, and rights depend upon one's starting assumptions about what is to be more or less highly valued, which is, in itself, largely an arbitrary (or at least highly arguable) choice.

People can debate ethics.

They prefer to view their politics as a matter of strict black and white morality in which their view is not arguably the more ethical or sound one, but in which their view is Good (capital G optional), and the opposite politics are Evil (capital E required.)..."

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/301345.php

jafs 4 years, 7 months ago

That seems much more like a description of conservatives to me, especially the last sentence.

However, it does seem that both sides play that stupid game too much.

Given the virtually even split between Republican and Democrats (conservatives and liberals), we would be better served by figuring out how to work together and create stable policies.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

As you point out, Karl Rove made a career of it. Sadly, Snap just does it for free.

We all know why, too. The President is Near!

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Reparations? Gee, I wonder what made you take that giant, completely unrelated leap?

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

Reparations? Easy to take leaps like this when you are in the habit of making stuff up.....Just like the American Spectator did in this case.

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

"The label is an act of mental laziness, for it is easy to stick a label onto someone. It is difficult and challenging to see this person in his/her uniqueness". Anthony De Mello.

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

In addition to liberal, Palin and some of the other Rebuplicans are in the process of spinning a new label. This one is the E word, Elite. Anyone else notice this? How easy to label anyone who opposes them in this manner. This can also be called stereotyping. Masterful work by Palin, because I always used to think of the elite as the rich conservative country club crowd. Now it has become the over-educated Ivy League crowd.

But don't get me wron liberals stereotype conservatives too.

But the frustrating part is that all this does is reduce the equation to the lowest common denominator. You must see the whole world in one of two ways. Just throw in one additional variable and you can really upset a fanatic's entire belief system. Sometimes even this can push em over the edge.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Steamers want us to be ashamed of being Americans.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

The guy doesn't believe in American elections unless his party wins. He should be ashamed to call himself an American.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Just between you and me, I almost always vote for a loser. my vote, historically, is cast on a loser. So, with that kind of record, if you wish to know who one of the losers will be ask me. I'm an excellent predicter for losers of politcal campaigns. Is that a reflection on my self esteem? Heck no! It's the principle, the person the perfect win-win.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Let's see

Harvard schooled kids who take Real Numbers, Calculus and Differential Equations are smarter than North Idaho College schooled kids who take Real Numbers, Calculus and Differential Equations.

Or one who has a Harvard Law Degree is smarter than one one has a North Idaho Journalism degree.

So where does a kid at KU fall on the yardstick of how smart the kids are who take Real Numbers, Calculus and Differential Equations.

At a more basic level, does education make one smart, an intellect or a leader? How does one measure that?

I'd look at the person's parents and at the person and make a judgement call but then I'm not good at estimating a person's level of intellilgence.

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure there are many offended by Palin calling them out as elitists. It does take discipline to excel in college. There is an amount of sacrifice and dedication that one must put in as well. Can you imagine the amount of hours medical students, law students, math majors, etc. must dedicate to their studies......let alone money (if you were not already an elite)? Since when does an achievement become a negative. Apparently to Palin......uh.....nevermind, I can't even guess what happens when/if she thinks.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

Also look at whether the person is curious about things. Do they read books, magazines, newspapers, or if they have the means do they travel to other parts of the world, like Europe. Or is everything just fine right where the person is, so why bother traveling? If someone doesn't ask questions or doesn't have an inquisitive mind, then the person can't be too intelligent. They somehow think they just know what is right, without really looking closely at the subject. Much like the instant, hateful responses seen around here on any subject that in any way can be connected back to the Obama administration. Unfortunately, this un-inquisitive type is the type of person the Republicans have been seeking recently. That is just sad.

Whether a person with a Harvard Law Degree is smarter than someone from North Idaho who has a journalism degree, I just ask -- what did the person do with the knowledge gained while getting the degree? Did they go on to be a professor, or did they become a sportcaster? Journalists should know how to complete a sentence, and they should certainly read magazines and newspapers. Heck, they should devour them. Just saying.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

The Republican National Committee's finance director and his deputy were forced out Friday as the organization still reels from reimbursements for donors to attend a lesbian bondage-themed nightclub in Los Angeles.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Heh heh, a play from Barney Franks playbook.

Her BS you say, well what is politics anyway, about 90% BS. (please don't fact check my guesstimate) Is Palin's BS worse than Obama's BS? Check the polls.

Harvard is of the most expensive pieces of paper one can get. Yup elitism alright, a Harvard or any other college degree does not imply superior intellect in any way shape or form.

Professor? I no sum pretty dum 1's. Know some total idiots with Harvard degrees.

Palin is pretty normal folk, thrust on national stage. Look at her life, don't get much more normal than that. Her mistake was ever getting into politics. See what happens to normal people in politics?

Doesn't matter what party.

Obama, pretty normal too. Look at his life, more new wave than Palin's, his early years don't look like all was peachy. And he made it beyond his wildest dreams. I just can't understand why he can't reach across the aisle. It's dumb to make so many political enemies but then he's made it. Doesn't matter what he does now.

They're both millionaires, thanks to politics. The difference between the two? Palin fell into national politics, Obama was groomed (who was his mentor?) and he's a polished speaker and politician. Palin does okay but does not have the polish of Obama. Nobody would buy Palin's books if she hadn't been nominated - and Nobody would buy Obama's either if he wasn't on the national stage.

Most people are pretty normal. Once a normal one gets on the political stage they become fair game, it's a blood sport. Then they become rich, always was and most likely always will be. My lithmus test for honest politicians? They leave the occupation, can't stand it if they aren't really thick skinned and no longer normal. Carreer pols aren't very normal people for the most part, they can't afford to be normal else they wouldn't get reelected.

Popularity is the easiest thing in the world to gain and it is the hardest thing to hold. (Will Rogers)

There is nothing as easy as denouncing. It don’t take much to see that something is wrong but it does take some eyesight to see what will put it right again. (Will Rogers) my cherokee cousin, a Harvard educated man I know says we're all cousins west of the Delaware.

My religion teaches we're all brothers and sisters. Is that sick or what?

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Drunken no, ramblings yes.

Beauty is in the aye of the beholder.

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Rambling, rambling, rambling, rambling man.

Really important guy here.

Hey, what time does TV go off the air tonight?

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

Have asked this ? before.

what is smart/intelligence?

what measures intelligence? IQ test? Does it measure intelligence?

was Rain Man/Kim Peek intelligent?

It's definitely very small in here. (Kim Peek)

independant1 4 years, 7 months ago

yeah, great theatre!!!

I love this country!!!

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for posting the links jstthefacts, but that is about as much churchin that I can take for about a year. Too much preachin. Yuck.

camper 4 years, 7 months ago

Watching a preacher is kind of like watching paint dry. Except watching paint is more exciting because there is a chance that a fly might get stuck on it.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Checking in to see if the same steamers are still repeating the same DNC/huffpo talking points. Yup.

beatrice 4 years, 7 months ago

The President is Near! The President is Near!

Idiot.

jaywalker 4 years, 7 months ago

beatrice blathers: "So jay, the left -- the entire left -- has a "compulsion" to blame all things on "right wingers," yet you find broadstroke assumptions of large groups to be tiresome.

Brilliant. "

Never said the "entire left" - in fact I was just demonstrating how Pitts premise was just as silly if the roles were reversed.

Still got that reading and comprehension bugaboo, huh? Keep pluggin' away, bea. You'll get there.

"The President is Near! The President is Near!

Idiot."

Always the classy dame, aren't ya, bea? Glad you don't stoop to name calling. Whoops, sorry! Is this going to elicit another one of your poignant responses that gets deleted before I get to read it? What's your running total -- 5 out the last two topics? Mm mm, classy!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 7 months ago

Fascinating that bea is quoting nightie. About what one would expect, I suppose. Steamers, the lot of them.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 7 months ago

Interesting article at how extreme the right is becoming. According to their own rules, their God, Reagan would by way to liberal.

Even Reagan Wasn’t a Reagan Republican

why every recent GOP president wasn't conservative enough for today's party.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237737?Gt1=43002

which is why the moderates, while not joining the Dems, are abandoning the party.

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