Tom Shewmon 2 years, 11 months ago

Public opinion will turn to GWB's favor once our current buffoon of a president and his incompetent and corrupt bunch have had a whack at things for four years and more and more attacks are successfully launched and Americans killed.

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vertigo 2 years, 11 months ago

Ousting Saddam may have been a good thing. Lying to your nation to do it isn't. Taking resources away from hunting down AQ and OBL was also a mistake.

Ok, that's enough politics for me for the day... spoiling my time here in Guam.

Later suckas!

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cowboy 2 years, 11 months ago

Today's news

Holstein steers seen making low level bombing runs over southern douglas county.

GWB's legacy seen as positive

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rtpayton 2 years, 11 months ago

Would you rather be bombed or waterboarded if given a choice? Americians and non-Americians died on 9/11 for what purpose? If building a mosque near 9/11 ground is okay what's next? Will will approve the Nazi's building a statue near Pearl Harbor to thank the Japanese for killing Americians. I'm tried of the elite leadership being political correct in all they do.

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Paul R. Getto 2 years, 11 months ago

If there were evidence torture works, I'd feel better. The professional interrogators and those who have studied the topic seem to believe otherwise. I bear GW no ill will, but he was wrong then about torture and is wrong now. If torture worked, we should have used it on the Enron boys early on to find out where the money was going.

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beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

He wouldn't act on the report "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.," but he would waterboard. Brilliant.

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Cappy 2 years, 11 months ago

Waterboarding KSM did not save any lives. In fact he has admitted that after the torture began, he started giving false information. This is typical, as Amnesty International and others in the field can attest. Once they start torturing you, you'll say anything to make it stop. For all those wingnuts who think the show 24 is documentary, I wanted to see a more realistic version where they torture someone and he gives false information that results in innocent people getting hurt. That's how effective torture is.

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Mixolydian 2 years, 11 months ago

Well this article isn't going to get very controversial. I bet the LJ World is charging more for advertising on this article link.

TR was behind McKinley's death Clinton killed Vince Foster Bush lied about WMD's Obama's a muslim bent on world domination

All you kook conspiracists should form your own club and leave. The grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

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MyName 2 years, 11 months ago

I think the best thing Bush can do if he wants to build up his legacy, is to just go on vacation for the next 4 years. Out of sight, out of mind.

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gogoplata 2 years, 11 months ago

This doesn't jive with him being a Christian. I don't get all these pro war pro torture Christians. It is time for Christians to wake up and say no to torture and war.

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 11 months ago

Cowboy

"Holstein steers seen making low level bombing runs over southern douglas county."

I saw them too. I got a whole pile of crap on my windshield.

LOL

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Danimal 2 years, 11 months ago

I think that Americans have become a bunch of pansies. Are we seriously calling pouring water over someone's face torture? All while knowing these folks that we're "torturing" would gladly saw your head off after sodomizing you in front of your family. We're not even using real torture, like bamboo splints under fingernails, or rope torture. A little simulated drowning is a long, long way from anything everyone can agree is actually torture.

Unbelievable, I think that a lot of the sentiments and ideas that made this nation great have fallen by the wayside because we can't even agree how to effectively deal with our enemies.

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gogoplata 2 years, 11 months ago

We're not pansies for calling waterboarding torture. It is torture.

If we quit dropping bombs on other countries, starving them through sanctions, and letting our CIA go around overthrowing governments and fixing elections we wouldn't have so many enemies.

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40ozToFreedom 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm still waiting for change.

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mr_right_wing 2 years, 11 months ago

In the time right after the 9/11 attacks our churches were full. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks American flags flew in each neighborhood. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks democrats and republicans worked together as AMERICANS. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks there would be no second-guessing about "water-boarding".

What has changed? There is no more World Trade Center...all those people are still dead.

Go back and relive that day in videos.....watch people throwing themselves off the top floors of the WTC instead of burning to death...

http://www.history.com/interactives/witness-to-911

.....then come whine about our harsh water-boarding.

Some of us will not forget.

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Corey Williams 2 years, 11 months ago

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...." - Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Iraq was a fool's errand. Some of us will not forget the real mastermind behind the NYC attacks.

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sunny 2 years, 11 months ago

The highlight of my year would be for Bush to waterboard Hussein!

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purplesage 2 years, 11 months ago

The last 2 comments are obscene - especially beobachter's.

That said, read on. It is a long list. Interesting how quickly these are forgotten: Where Bush Got His Marching Orders

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

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purplesage 2 years, 11 months ago

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

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purplesage 2 years, 11 months ago

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

• Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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purplesage 2 years, 11 months ago

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

• Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 11 months ago

I think anyone who would try to legalize or justify the use of torture, especially as the representative of the United States of America is probably the worst kind of coward.

Only a coward would think that this is justified.

So we have Cheney and Bush, neither one who ever served a day in Vietnam, proud of torturing POWs.

What a joke.

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

I would believe Bush was sincere and serious after he was waterboarded at least twice. Easy denial if he patently doesn't know what he is talking about. It was a low point when America tortured prisoners as part of the regime orders. Sick defense by a weak and stupid man.

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ivalueamerica 2 years, 11 months ago

Bush, the most failed President in the History of the USA.

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sunny 2 years, 11 months ago

Nothing wrong with waterboarding!

Beo...haha...nothing to say! Take your pills!

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mrblubbers 2 years, 11 months ago

back where i came from, waterboarding was a fun summer activity on boogie boards! too bad the name got ruined. oh well!

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 11 months ago

It almost looks like God has abandoned the Republican Party.

They have no inspired leaders anymore. Instead of adapting and changing they are becoming more and more bone headed and entrenched behind their attack dogs and still believe they can win the hearts of the American people with their hate machine politics.

The Tea Party is a joke and Palin is no Joan of Arc; just another millionaire making tons of money playing the game of politics and celebrity.

I am going out on a limb and predicting the Republican Party will go the way of other dead and gone political parties like the Whig Party and Federalist Parties.

We need to have a strong party that relies on good ideas and good leaders instead of high paid political consultants and con games on the American people.

Otherwise, the states are going to want more power to govern themselves because our needs and interests are different than places like New York, Illinois and California.

We need a better balance and discussion of the real issues effecting the American people. There is a disconnect between Washington and the heartland and between Wall Street and Main Street and between the big guys and the small guys.

Today's poltical parties think we are just a bunch of dumb people they can talk into anything if they spend enough money.

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independant1 2 years, 11 months ago

USA =bad Rep. = bad Uncle Ho = good Mao = good Dems/Prog/Lib/G. Soros = good S. Hussein = alter boy

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independant1 2 years, 11 months ago

USA =bad Rep. = bad Uncle Ho = good Mao = good Dems/Prog/Lib/G. Soros = good S. Hussein = alter boy

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independant1 2 years, 11 months ago

Shrewdness in Public life all over the World is always honored, while honesty in Public Men is generally attributed to Dumbness and is seldom rewarded (Will Rogers)

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independant1 2 years, 11 months ago

defender=intollerent of opposing opinion resorts to argument against the person, a fallacious argument

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pace 2 years, 11 months ago

lol Independant1 whining about personal remarks instead of logical discussion. lol His list didn't present anything but nonsense.

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independant1 2 years, 11 months ago

There you go again.

This country has gotten where it is in spite of politics, not by the aid of it. (Will Rogers)

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