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Bush defends waterboarding

June 3, 2010

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— Former President George W. Bush says if he had to do it over, he would still waterboard the self-professed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Waterboarding is a simulated drowning technique that the Obama administration considers torture. Bush acknowledged Wednesday that the U.S. used the harsh interrogation technique on Khalid Sheik Mohammed and said he would “do it again to save lives.”

Bush made the comment while speaking to the Economic Club of Grand Rapids, Mich.

Mohammed was captured in Pakistan in 2003 and is the most senior al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody.

In his speech, Bush defended the decision to go to war with Iraq in 2003. He said ousting Saddam Hussein “was the right thing to do and the world is a better place without him.”

Comments

Tom Shewmon 4 years, 1 month ago

Public opinion will turn to GWB's favor once our current buffoon of a president and his incompetent and corrupt bunch have had a whack at things for four years and more and more attacks are successfully launched and Americans killed.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

Opinion will never turn in Bush's favor no matter how terrible any subsequent Presidents might be. Since you have been crying like a baby since before Obama was sworn in, you clearly are just a sore loser.

Amazing that you would blame Obama for any future attacks, but the biggest one on American soil and you give Bush a pass. Amazing.

By the way, I love knowing how you have "no power" right now.

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Blessed4x 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow, you sure read a lot into that. He said no such thing.

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cowboy 4 years, 1 month ago

Today's news

Holstein steers seen making low level bombing runs over southern douglas county.

GWB's legacy seen as positive

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Richard Payton 4 years, 1 month ago

Would you rather be bombed or waterboarded if given a choice? Americians and non-Americians died on 9/11 for what purpose? If building a mosque near 9/11 ground is okay what's next? Will will approve the Nazi's building a statue near Pearl Harbor to thank the Japanese for killing Americians. I'm tried of the elite leadership being political correct in all they do.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

He wouldn't act on the report "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S.," but he would waterboard. Brilliant.

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Kyle Reed 4 years, 1 month ago

Brilliant pretty much sums up your naive assumption that there is a way to act on a threat as broad as "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S."

Here is one for you to get to work on since it's so easy. "Criminals Determined to Rob a Bank in the U.S." Let us know how you'll crack that plot inspector.

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estespark 4 years, 1 month ago

Right now the criminals are being surrounded by a web of deduction, forensic science and the latest in technology such as two-way radios and e-mail.

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Kyle Reed 4 years, 1 month ago

You don't even know which criminals. Is your "web of deduction" monitoring the 2 way radios and emails of every criminal known to mankind?

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

Waterboarding KSM did not save any lives. In fact he has admitted that after the torture began, he started giving false information. This is typical, as Amnesty International and others in the field can attest. Once they start torturing you, you'll say anything to make it stop. For all those wingnuts who think the show 24 is documentary, I wanted to see a more realistic version where they torture someone and he gives false information that results in innocent people getting hurt. That's how effective torture is.

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jaywalker 4 years, 1 month ago

"In fact he has admitted that after the torture began, he started giving false information"

Riiight. After he'd lawyered up, NOW ya wanna believe him.

"Once they start torturing you, you'll say anything to make it stop".
"That's how effective torture is"

Please quit speaking as if you have first hand knowledge of any of this. Thank you.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

And your first hand knowledge is ...?

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jaywalker 4 years, 1 month ago

What the hell is that link supposed to be?

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

Did you try reading it? It has imbedded links to original news sources: an LA Times story on KSM admitting to giving false info under torture and an article by a Special Op soldier on how torture never returns good info and just helps the enemy recruit.

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jaywalker 4 years, 1 month ago

Gee, thanks. A link with imbedded links. Great research. KSM himself saying he lied under torture ---- by all means, believe anything he says after the fact. And a Special Ops soldier, far from an expert on either subject you're saying he opines upon. You're not helping yoursef, caps.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's see. An original article on KSM and a Special Ops soldier who was an interrogator in Iraq. That sure beats the nothing you put up. You're supposed to click on the links in the article to read the original sources or don't you know how links work?

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

LOL. Its a web site named "thinkprogress".

Definitely a reliable source of information. /sarcasm

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

were you there to say it did?

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jaywalker 4 years, 1 month ago

Haven't stated any such thing, bea. Still struggling with that reading-comprehension bugaboo, huh? Go away, you got nothin' either.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

Jay, my response was to ibroke's comment at 12:42, not yours.

Now, what were you saying about reading comprehension?

Idiot.

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Mixolydian 4 years, 1 month ago

Well this article isn't going to get very controversial. I bet the LJ World is charging more for advertising on this article link.

TR was behind McKinley's death Clinton killed Vince Foster Bush lied about WMD's Obama's a muslim bent on world domination

All you kook conspiracists should form your own club and leave. The grown ups are trying to have a conversation.

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MyName 4 years, 1 month ago

I think the best thing Bush can do if he wants to build up his legacy, is to just go on vacation for the next 4 years. Out of sight, out of mind.

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gogoplata 4 years, 1 month ago

This doesn't jive with him being a Christian. I don't get all these pro war pro torture Christians. It is time for Christians to wake up and say no to torture and war.

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

Is it also time for muslims to stand up and say "no more beheading journalists"?

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 1 month ago

Cowboy

"Holstein steers seen making low level bombing runs over southern douglas county."

I saw them too. I got a whole pile of crap on my windshield.

LOL

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Danimal 4 years, 1 month ago

I think that Americans have become a bunch of pansies. Are we seriously calling pouring water over someone's face torture? All while knowing these folks that we're "torturing" would gladly saw your head off after sodomizing you in front of your family. We're not even using real torture, like bamboo splints under fingernails, or rope torture. A little simulated drowning is a long, long way from anything everyone can agree is actually torture.

Unbelievable, I think that a lot of the sentiments and ideas that made this nation great have fallen by the wayside because we can't even agree how to effectively deal with our enemies.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

So you want us to sink to their level? We're supposed to be better than they are, more civilized. I guess we can toss that idea in the crapper, what with citizens like y'all.

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gogoplata 4 years, 1 month ago

We're not pansies for calling waterboarding torture. It is torture.

If we quit dropping bombs on other countries, starving them through sanctions, and letting our CIA go around overthrowing governments and fixing elections we wouldn't have so many enemies.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

Danimal just called John McCain a pansy.

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mr_right_wing 4 years, 1 month ago

In the time right after the 9/11 attacks our churches were full. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks American flags flew in each neighborhood. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks democrats and republicans worked together as AMERICANS. In the time right after the 9/11 attacks there would be no second-guessing about "water-boarding".

What has changed? There is no more World Trade Center...all those people are still dead.

Go back and relive that day in videos.....watch people throwing themselves off the top floors of the WTC instead of burning to death...

http://www.history.com/interactives/witness-to-911

.....then come whine about our harsh water-boarding.

Some of us will not forget.

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beatrice 4 years, 1 month ago

We won't forget. After 9/11, we went to war with a nation that did not attack us. We tortured people, and I'm not just talking about waterboarding (Abu Ghraib, for example). We used an attack against our nation as a means to dismantle the Constitution. We gave tax cuts to the wealthy when it was a time to call for sacrifice.

Indeed, some of us will not forget.

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Corey Williams 4 years, 1 month ago

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...." - Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Iraq was a fool's errand. Some of us will not forget the real mastermind behind the NYC attacks.

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sunny 4 years, 1 month ago

The highlight of my year would be for Bush to waterboard Hussein!

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purplesage 4 years, 1 month ago

The last 2 comments are obscene - especially beobachter's.

That said, read on. It is a long list. Interesting how quickly these are forgotten: Where Bush Got His Marching Orders

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

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purplesage 4 years, 1 month ago

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

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purplesage 4 years, 1 month ago

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

  • Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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jaywalker 4 years, 1 month ago

Aaaah, purple, I love ya!!!!!!!! Thank you, a thousand times, thank you! I've put up the link before to the main players, but shockingly there's never any response. You'lll get crickets, too, but I love ya for shuttin' 'em up!

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purplesage 4 years, 1 month ago

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

  • Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

More like Tom...hatred for Obama: Typical.

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 1 month ago

I think anyone who would try to legalize or justify the use of torture, especially as the representative of the United States of America is probably the worst kind of coward.

Only a coward would think that this is justified.

So we have Cheney and Bush, neither one who ever served a day in Vietnam, proud of torturing POWs.

What a joke.

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pace 4 years, 1 month ago

I would believe Bush was sincere and serious after he was waterboarded at least twice. Easy denial if he patently doesn't know what he is talking about. It was a low point when America tortured prisoners as part of the regime orders. Sick defense by a weak and stupid man.

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ivalueamerica 4 years, 1 month ago

Bush, the most failed President in the History of the USA.

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sunny 4 years, 1 month ago

Nothing wrong with waterboarding!

Beo...haha...nothing to say! Take your pills!

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mrblubbers 4 years, 1 month ago

back where i came from, waterboarding was a fun summer activity on boogie boards! too bad the name got ruined. oh well!

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Corey Williams 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh barry, always so jejune.

Clinton was president for 37 days when the world trade center was bombed the first time. Does that mean that was Clinton's fault, too?

"President for a year and a half and the 'Economy' folded" "...a peak in economic activity occurred in the U.S. economy in December 2007. The peak marks the end of the expansion that began in November 2001 and the beginning of a recession." http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/01/nber-makes-it-official-recession-started-in-december-2007/

If anyone but nancyboy cared about your posts, this would be fun. As it is, it's just wasting time until I have to go to work.

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 1 month ago

It almost looks like God has abandoned the Republican Party.

They have no inspired leaders anymore. Instead of adapting and changing they are becoming more and more bone headed and entrenched behind their attack dogs and still believe they can win the hearts of the American people with their hate machine politics.

The Tea Party is a joke and Palin is no Joan of Arc; just another millionaire making tons of money playing the game of politics and celebrity.

I am going out on a limb and predicting the Republican Party will go the way of other dead and gone political parties like the Whig Party and Federalist Parties.

We need to have a strong party that relies on good ideas and good leaders instead of high paid political consultants and con games on the American people.

Otherwise, the states are going to want more power to govern themselves because our needs and interests are different than places like New York, Illinois and California.

We need a better balance and discussion of the real issues effecting the American people. There is a disconnect between Washington and the heartland and between Wall Street and Main Street and between the big guys and the small guys.

Today's poltical parties think we are just a bunch of dumb people they can talk into anything if they spend enough money.

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

USA =bad Rep. = bad Uncle Ho = good Mao = good Dems/Prog/Lib/G. Soros = good S. Hussein = alter boy

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

USA =bad Rep. = bad Uncle Ho = good Mao = good Dems/Prog/Lib/G. Soros = good S. Hussein = alter boy

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 1 month ago

Uh, "altar boy". Unless you're talking about castrati.

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

Shrewdness in Public life all over the World is always honored, while honesty in Public Men is generally attributed to Dumbness and is seldom rewarded (Will Rogers)

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

everyone's got an opinion, evidently you don't see the applesauce in both parties.

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

defender=intollerent of opposing opinion resorts to argument against the person, a fallacious argument

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pace 4 years, 1 month ago

lol Independant1 whining about personal remarks instead of logical discussion. lol His list didn't present anything but nonsense.

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independant1 4 years, 1 month ago

There you go again.

This country has gotten where it is in spite of politics, not by the aid of it. (Will Rogers)

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