Advertisement

Opinion

Opinion

Obama voters made a mistake

July 21, 2010

Advertisement

The latest Washington Post/ABC News Poll tells the story: Nearly six in 10 voters say they have “just some” or no confidence in President Obama to make the right decisions for the country.

America — or at least the part of it that voted for Barack Obama for president — has made a big mistake. Some of those teary-eyed people in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood on Election Night 2008 would probably admit it if they were interviewed. Many bumper stickers still display fading “Obama ‘08” stickers, but you’d find fewer that read, “Yes We Can!”

There is no shame in making a mistake. Everybody makes plenty in a lifetime, even in elections. Politicians are good at sounding good. The minority party promises to be more honest and ethical than the majority and then when it has gained the trust of people fed up with too much dishonesty and too little ethics, it becomes like the party it replaced.

The mistake made by those who voted for Obama, thinking it would be different with him, is their belief that it would be different with him. A politician is a politician. You could change the color, the gender, even the party, and you are still left with a politician. That is not necessarily an evil thing. We must have politicians, I suppose, but like the metaphorical crazy aunt who is kept in the attic, a politician should be kept in his or her place, lest the house become chaotic.

The taxing and regulating has only just begun. The Obama people are not intrinsically evil. Like someone caught up in a cult, they sincerely believe in the fiction they are peddling: more taxes will produce a healthier economy; the record debt is not a problem; more regulation will result in banks and big businesses operating ethically and for the greater good of their customers and the country; nationalized health care will mean better care for the sick; unrestricted abortion and same-sex marriage are fine; unenforced immigration laws are good because Democrats need to import votes and Republicans want cheap labor.

If America’s wrong course is to be righted, Republicans and conservatives must offer something different from the last time they held power. That should begin with a history lesson. What did the founders and their constitutionalist descendants believe would produce the best results for a people united around certain commonly held principles? What was the result when those principles were applied (or not applied) in our national life and in individual lives?

The problem today is that fewer of those principles are commonly held, because they are not taught in public schools and universities, or reinforced by the media from which we get too much of our information and too little truth.

America is about opportunity, not guaranteed outcomes. If someone lacks opportunity, the goal should be to clear obstacles that block opportunity. Motivation is something else. No one can be taught motivation. That’s up to each individual.

On taxes, there is plenty of evidence concerning how our economy responds when taxes are high and when they are low. Why are we allowing the politicians to seize ever-larger amounts of the money we make and misspend it as they do?

Republicans and conservatives are going to have to do more than argue their familiar ideological positions this November and again in two years. They must show their ideas work. To do this, they can adopt some of the Democrats’ theatrics. Democrats love to parade legions of the aggrieved and deprived. Republicans should start their own parade, headed in the opposite direction. People who encountered difficult circumstances, but overcame them by practicing Republican and conservative principles, would populate a GOP parade.

Again, it is no shame to make a mistake. It is shameful to repeat it. The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is dismantling the America we have known and loved and transforming it into something it has never been: a socialist state. If we let them do it, there will be no forgiveness, no excuse and no going back. And our shame will be an indelible stain for which future generations will judge us.

— Cal Thomas is a columnist for Tribune Media Services. tmseditors@tribune.com

Comments

igby 4 years, 5 months ago

He will be the last black president because he's marked all future elections and now they will be jaded. Maybe in 100 years!

Majestic42 4 years, 5 months ago

Right with ya, cheeseburger. Obama hasn't ruined it for African-American people, he's ruined it for liberals.

jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

That's a really stupid comment, igby. Given that ignorant rationale, W. will be the last white president because he's marked blah blah blah....... Skin color has nothing to do with governing (and I feel like I just lost IQ points having to type that sentence fragment.) Pathetic. Gotta go throw up.

Mixolydian 4 years, 5 months ago

That is a completely ignorant comment.

imastinker 4 years, 5 months ago

I have to disagree. I'd like to think we are past race enough to elect another black man. Certianly there are some people who voted against him only because he is black and some that voted for him only because he is black, but these racist not jobs probably cancel each other out.

I'll just hold my breath for the next president to be a competent human being. I'll probably vote for that person, but don't see where they will find him or her in Washington!

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

Wrongo igby,

Race aint; got anything to do with it in mainstream america. We hope for the best candidate but end up with whatever the political parties and political winds produce.

Condi is an intellectual with experience in the cabinet. Condi Rice was my wish for last republican ticket but nobody asked me and I ain't a member of any political party. Just another voter but I got my wife's and 4 kids plus one son-in-law whom I can get to vote for anything so I got the power!

We'll survive despite who gets elected if history is any indicator of future.

jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

Gee, thanks for that. Really furthers the discussion. Please quit trolling to incite, we truly don't need the likes of you around.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

The NAACP needs to start a campaign reminding America that barak is only half-black, so he really isn't the first true African-American President. Let's all reserve that for someone worthy of respect.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

At least he isn't as bad a president as Renaldo Raygun.

While I have been know to make my fair share of spelling errors, people criticizing our President should at least know how to spell his name. It is Barack Obama, with a "c" and a "k" at the end of the first name. The full title is President of the United States of America Barack Obama.

(I apologize to the memory of President Reagan for my abuse of his name to make a point.)

lounger 4 years, 4 months ago

igby that is silly. grow up a little.

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

you got that right, it's a bipartisan comment too

jimmyjms 4 years, 5 months ago

This is an idiotic response. You understand, I doubt, that had McCain won we'd be in the middle of the 2nd Great Depression?

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

Don't agree, they would've muddled through about as good as this admin.

whats_going_on 4 years, 5 months ago

what is the 6th sentence?

And I voted for him because I felt better about him than the other guys, to be quite honest.

jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

Another atrocious piece from Cal. In this day of massive unemployment it's an assault to common sense that this clown still has a job. The first half of the piece is nothing but repetition, almost like he was struggling to get the thing off the ground; "people make mistakes because they make mistakes", "politicians are good at sounding good", "a politician is a politician." This is poor work for a senior high school paper, for crying out loud.

scott3460 4 years, 5 months ago

Yet he is afforded an opportunity and venue to spew this sort of thing week after week after week after week in the so called "liberal" mainstream media. It's almost as if he were part of a deliberate campaign.

jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

I certainly hope that's a tongue-in-cheek stab at the likes of Beck and Limbuaugh, scott. 'Deliberate campaign' sounds like their lunacy.

Mixolydian 4 years, 5 months ago

"America is about opportunity, not guaranteed outcomes. If someone lacks opportunity, the goal should be to clear obstacles that block opportunity."

==============

That is absolutely unassailably true. It needs repeating and acted upon more often.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

President Hillary wouldn't have made such a hash of things.

scott3460 4 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. And crazy, shameless John McCain and Sarah the Quitter would have had us in worse shape. This country needs politicians who are not beholden to the wealthy and corporate interests. Unfortunately neither the republican nor Democratic party seems willing to loosen their death grip on the electoral process.

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

Do I detect bipartisanship breaking out here?

Mixolydian 4 years, 5 months ago

I may not have agreed with most things that a President Hillary would have undertaken, but I at least would feel confident that she knew what she was doing, had a plan and was competent.

Mr_B9 4 years, 5 months ago

"but I at least would feel confident that she knew what she was doing, had a plan and was competent" I seriously doubt that...... In my opinion she is no more qualified than President Obama...Plan or no plan...

Face it, there was no choice for any voter last election.

grammaddy 4 years, 5 months ago

Proud to say I also made that "mistake" and will gladly make it again in 2012, if given the chance!I am so tired of people trashing our President. He is so much more than just a "community organizer". Has everyone forgotten he was Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard? I'm proud of the job he is doing. Many accomplishments in his first 2 years. A vote for Republicans takes us back to the last 8 years of the hell we are just beginning to pull out of.

commuter 4 years, 5 months ago

So just because hea professor of constitutional law is a good thing??? I would rather have some one who has experience - more than two years- of running a state, city or even a large company. At least Joe Kennedy had experience runningthings when he was bootlegging during prohibition.

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

and kicking scotus in knee, not disagreeing with but dissing the loyal opposition. inserting foot in mouth over minor police interaction with racial undercurrent.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 5 months ago

Loyal opposition? Saying no to everything - even initiatives they champion - and spewing lies is not loyal opposition by any measure. And that behavior is being called out. While America is in a time of crisis, the party of no is anything but loyal, playing games and erecting roadblocks to every way out. It's almost like they want the crisis to deepen.

How many times can we stomach "the sky is falling" and lie after lie debunked before we turn the channel?

esteshawk 4 years, 5 months ago

I think GM meant: healthcare reform, financial regulation, restoring our image around the world, and stimulus bill. You may not agree with the worth of those accomplishments, but you cannot doubt Mr. Obama's ability to "git r done." That's a lot more accomplished in the first 18 months than, say, invading a country and starting a war (oh, wait -two wars) that we are still bogged down in.

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

restoring our image around the world? Please, it's pretty bad when the French made us look like pussies when the "pirates" were taking ships and holding them for hostage. Yes, eventually Pres. Obama took action and sent in the sharp shooters, but he has also turned on some of our allies, which in my opinion is not exactly "restoring our image".

Tom Miller 4 years, 5 months ago

...never published? What about a coupla highly revealing and very controversial "books"?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 5 months ago

FNC found a way to sucker some of their viewers out of their money with Goldline. Hate to see someone victimized, but is it a surprise that those viewers fell for it hook, line, and sinker?

whats_going_on 4 years, 5 months ago

how the heck anyone can actually say Fox News is fair and balanced is beyond me.

In my opinion, a fair and balanced network would promote stories from all sides of each spectrum. If you actually think that anyone on Fox News has ever even considered ANYTHING on the "left" as being possible/good/fair, you really are delusional. And I know you are going to say "well, nothing on the left IS good!"...but come on, be realistic, the sky isn't falling, and there have been progressive, positive changes amidst all the chaos.

For the record, I don't watch those "far left" networks either, and pretty much try to stay out of mainstream media, period, because I realize that most, if not all stories, are going to have some kind of bias.

Mr_B9 4 years, 5 months ago

You are correct and my prediction is Hillary vs. Newt.

Majestic42 4 years, 5 months ago

No-Brainer 2012. (Don't vote for the raptor disguised as a former first lady)

jimmyjms 4 years, 5 months ago

Um, what's that? Being super-duper centrist and (foolishly) attempting to work with republicans?

Do you pay any attention whatsoever?

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, the current health care bill mandates buying insurance from private companies - the left would like to see single-payer Medicare for all, and the right would like to see?

A cap and trade bill that allows polluters to continue polluting if they buy offsets - environmentalists would prefer to see emissions simply reduced through regulation, and the right would like to let polluters do whatever they want.

The financial regulation bill is seen by many on the left as not going far enough, and some on the right as going too far.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

You're welcome.

The point was that pretty much all of your list contains policies that both the left and right are not that happy with, suggesting that Obama may in fact be much more "centrist" than you think.

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

The cap and trade bill is nothing more than re-distribution of wealth. And some Democrats have already admitted that the "healthcare reform" bill was also about re-distributing wealth. I haven't read enough about the financial regulation bill to form an opinion, so I will refrain from comment at this time on that issue.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

Cap and trade is a bad way of dealing with environmental problems since it allows polluters to continue to pollute - the best and simplest way to reduce pollution is to simply require it without any trading allowed.

Every single thing that is paid into by all of us and used for specific areas/people is a form of "redistribution".

If you're against that, you have to be against a lot more than the healthcare bill.

You'd have to be against any/all subsidies, social services, public education, any federal money that is spent in specific states, etc.

That would advocate for a "pay as you go" system for everything except national defense, I guess.

So poor people who need help would be SOL in that world.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

The lack of substance in this article explains a lot about what went wrong with the last administration and what continues to be wrong with the Republican Party.

They are in serious need of a house cleaning and some younger, better educated and more realistic leadership.

But I hope Cal and his friends do study history and try to figure out what went right back in the old days so they can finally figure out what they are talking about.

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

Without a few lucky breaks, Obama would be like Steve Jobs - just another used car salesman. Unfortunately too many Americans can't spot the sleeze and helped elect Obama to office. Hopefully in 2012 after they have been lied to for the hundredth time they will help the rest of us vote him out.

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

Better men than you have tried and failed.

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

Shouldn't you be down at Johnny I's picking out a new car?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 5 months ago

"after they have been lied to for the hundredth time they will see the error in voting GOP."

Fixed that for ya. You're welcome.

esteshawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Lucky breaks!!!!! Dude was raised by a single mother after his father left them. Got into Harvard, graduated top of his law class. That's hard work, not lucky breaks.

The Bush family on the other hand: born rich, Yale on reputation, air guard due to daddy, proved himself as incompetent running oil and sports business.

Who got the lucky breaks there, or perhaps you need a little more rope?

notajayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Does Harvard still use admission quotas?

mom_of_three 4 years, 5 months ago

Bush was a genius and competent for the job? In hindsight, umm, probably not, and I voted for the guy. Didn't he get us into most of these messes to begin with - the war, banking, unemployment, etc., because of his lack of oversight?
Face it, people, it doesn't matter who was elected because no one would have been happy with the current outcomes regardless of party. I believe McCain had some of the same fixes for these problems that obama did. Am I unhappy that I voted for Obama? No.

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

neither Bush or Obama or any president could've done anything without a whole lotta help.

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

16 months later and you are still using Bush to cover for Obama's failure. That's pretty sad.

Of course you aren't unhappy, you have a scapegoat to blame for the the lies Obama sold you. Enjoy your bliss.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, when all attempts to change direction are blockaded by the party of no, what do you have? What you started with, which is the cesspool left behind by...W!

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

The commander in chief can end a war on a whim. He could also close gitmo tomorrow and send any "combatant" that cannot be repatriated to a federal prison. He can't be blockaded on those issues so quit making excuses for him. As for his worst offense, he could have vetoed the corrupt corporate health insurance mandates and fought harder for true health care reform. He might have lost that fight to the blockade, but at least he would have gone down fighting.

As for your scapegoat, you'd be better off if you stopped carting him around.

notajayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

"Well, when all attempts to change direction are blockaded by the party of no, what do you have?"

The miserable mess being spoonfed to the country by the party of "don't know"

esteshawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes, still using Bush. Y'all have very short memories. Heck, I remember the recession of the early 90's that resulted in the Savings and Loan collapse (the current started by the banking "collapse").

Common thread: The Bush Family. George the Elder was president during the S&L scandal, Neil was VP of one of the major S&L's to fail (to the tune of about $1 billion in taxpayer bailout), and George the Younger was President during the latest bank "collapse".

So, conservs can say what they want, but facts is facts: Republicans tend to drive the economy into the ditch, and Dems have to come fix it.

Kirk Larson 4 years, 5 months ago

"On taxes, there is plenty of evidence concerning how our economy responds when taxes are high and when they are low."

Yes, there is. When President Clinton raised taxes on the upper income levels he balanced the budget. When Bush gave tax cuts to the rich he grew the deficit and tanked the economy.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

I thought Iowa was the critical make or break point for Obama and Oprah is the one that made Obama relevant.

Before Oprah, Obama did not have much credibility.

Much of the mudslinging that seemed to worry Americans came during the health care battle.

I don't think it is fair to brand Obama a Marxist with a secret agenda to tear down the free world simply for wanting to try to fix our broken health care system. The Republicans have been very effective in using this debate to basically confuse the American people.

I am still waiting to see the evil Obama emerge that they are telling us about and I have not seen it.

K_Verses_The_World 4 years, 5 months ago

There's no political solution...

This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: "Only in returning to me and resting in me will you be saved.In quietness and confidence is your strength. But you would have none of it."

Isaiah 30:15

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Obama/ Biden would still beat McCain/ Palin were the election held today.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 4 years, 5 months ago

Ever heard of political capital? Yeah, it's been spent. Consider that in the numbers. Or don't and get a big suprise (or "nightmare" to you).

thebigspoon 4 years, 5 months ago

Citations, please, Tom, or shut up, or at least tell us you're quoting your mentors at Fox Fair and Balanced.

tolawdjk 4 years, 5 months ago

I love the part where Cal blames the people that voted for Obama in making the mistake.

Sure Cal, they have some of the blame.

There is an equal portion of the blame to be cast though. It's to be shared and owned by those "conservatives" that have somehow found thier voice now that the "D"s are in power, but were silent during the "R" years. Morals and personal conviction shouldn't change depending on the color of the party in power.

The fiction you throw onto one political party was there in bold letters during the last 8 years of the previous administration. Illegal immigration was just as rampant...it just wasn't addressed. Deficts were climbing at an alarming rate...but they were for some reason "acceptable". While more regulation doesn't automatically lead to ethical business, complete and total deregualtion does not correlate to ethical behavior either.

These aren't "Democratic" problems. These aren't "Republican" problems. They are problems indicative of politicians more concerned about retaining power rather than solving problems. Years of ignoring the problems have created the situation where "any" action on them is viewed as the "wrong" action by at least half of the population.

Be it immigration regulation, financial regulation, health coverage regulation. the key is not "more" regulation or "less" regulation but smart, constitutionally allowed regulation and the political testicular fortitude to follow through on that course of action.

Personally, I can't recall the last President I witnessed do that, and Congress has been even worse. In my view, the first step of healing should be to bring Dean and Steele up on charges of treason. If any two people embody what is wrong with America today it is those two. Next, limit monitary contributions to a candidate such that only citizens of a state can contribute to candidates from that state. If Kansans want to elect Brownback, let it be because Kansans like Brownback's positions and principals, not because some DC lobbying group had a 10,000 a plate dinner slushed off to his pockets. Make a politicial beholden to the constituents of his state, not the constituents of his bank account.

thebigspoon 4 years, 5 months ago

Agree, completely. However: your use of a genital term goes unpunished, while mine (9:40, Monday) goes away. What gives, Whitney/Jon? Can we have a rule clarification, please?

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't see any "genital terms" in the above post.

To what are you referring?

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

aww crap, I just quoted the fortitude line in my response below. Please don't make me type the whole thing again....

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

to be fair, Bush did want to address immigration. He was consistent with suppport of the temporary worker program and increased border patrol. He was in favor of illegal immigrants: paying a meaninful penalty; learning english, paying taxes, passing background checks; and after holding a job for a number of years, becoming legal. But he wanted them to get in the back of the line, meaning that the people that were here legally and observing and following the established rules would be served first. All of that sounds completely rational to me. Unfortunately, other things kept taking priority and he was met with a lot of resistance, mostly from Republicans. Which takes us back to your comment of "political testicular fortitude to follow through". Sadly, he didn't have it when it came to illegal immigration. I think what we're going to see is that our politicians don't really want to go on record as having voted "for" or "against" any type of immigration reform. It's too controversial for them.

4 years, 5 months ago

I commented before the election, that after the economic collapse in September of 2008, that neither Obama or McCain had much experience with the economy, which is why governors usually are president. While Obama inherited a mess, he went for the quick fix, and it has not worked very well, and interest rates and taxes have to go up soon. I always felt Clinton would have been the best choice.

But it might turn out like 1994, Clinton's first two years did not go well, his party got beat bad, him and the country did well after.

Jimo 4 years, 5 months ago

"If America’s wrong course is to be righted, Republicans and conservatives must offer something different from the last time they held power."

And that something might be what exactly?

All hat and no cattle.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, they could at least stay true to some basic conservative principles like fiscal conservatism and soundness, and offer ways to reduce deficits and the national debt.

Or other conservative principles like states' rights, and stop trying to legislate against gay marriage at the federal level.

Or the notion that the government should stay out of our way, and stop trying to prohibit abortion.

Or get serious about the idea of limited government, and stop voting for corporate welfare and earmarks.

Stuff like that.

Jimo 4 years, 5 months ago

And on a scale of 1 to 100, what would you guess the odds of any of that to be? 2?

To paraphrase Timothy B. Lee, Republicans care about “protecting individual liberty” for some people, but is filled with many indifferent, if not hostile, to the liberty of foreigners, immigrants, drug users, gays and lesbians, women who want abortions, broadcasters, sex workers, criminal defendants, Muslims, publishers of pornography, atheists, and so forth.

I'd be happy to welcome the GOP back to other things like "fiscal conservatism." But I'm also realistic that the only fiscal conservatism in the last several decades came while a certain Democrat from Arkansas was President. If budgets could be balanced by hot air, the GOP would be a good bet for true conservatives but right now there's no particular reason to believe that Republicans are capable of making the difficult decisions necessary to balance our finances such as raising taxes on the wealth, muzzling the neocons endless war chants, or taking the Pentagon back to budget levels more akin to 2000 (that is, cut the Pentagon's budget in half!!). Heck, the Washington Post is spending the week detailing how completely wasteful and dysfunctional and contrary to national security the billions wasted on "intelligence" in the gov't.

Jimo 4 years, 5 months ago

Also, just like any Republican official cornered on this point, I can only note that you completely and totally fail to give ANY specific proposal of substance about how you achieve these ends.

EXACTLY what is "something different"? I ask again.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

I agree it's very unlikely.

And, I agree that Clinton is the only president in the last 35-40 years who managed to get budget surpluses.

And, I'm not Republican.

"Something different" would be a return to actual conservative philosophy/practices.

I think there are many conservative folks out there who are upset that the Republican party is not actually following conservative principles.

I'd just as soon not get into specifics - I'm not trying to help the Republicans win the next election :-)

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

There is no way that the Republican party would have allowed the US auto industry to crash and burn. They would have basically done the same thing and lied about the back door deals just like the Democrats do because no one wants to take the blame for letting the Koreans and the Chinese take over the auto industry.

There have been so many back room deals in the history of the auto industry and the oil industry that it makes you choke to have to listen to another patriotic BS free enterprise stump speech.

I am glad Obama got tough on pushing for green technology because the Republicans certainly did not.

verity 4 years, 5 months ago

Once again this condescending, arrogant a#$%*& "Christian" acts like anything but. If I were Christian, I would be embarrassed to have him as part of my club.

I do not and have not ever, regretted my vote for President Obama. I did not make a mistake. Who is this piece of work to tell me that I did? I don't like everything President Obama has done or not done. I was disappointed that Bill Clinton did not do more when he was President. On the other hand, I don't have their job and I know that I'm not up to doing it---contrary to a lot of couch quarterbacks.

But the other choice? I shutter to think what would have happened if McCain/Palin had won.

Ok, I've had my rant. I'm going to go enjoy the break from the heat.

esteshawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Right, huh? I remember Reagans poll numbers at this point in his presidency, and the numbers are about the same as Mr. Obamas are now.

Don't count your eggs yet.

jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

Yeah! It looks like my team is starting to come back!! Win win win! Ra ra my team!

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Worthless? RC77, Please show me a SINGLE poll that has the word "worthless" in it, or with 60% of votors agreeing with the term "worthless." Just ONE. Not agreeing with someone or disliking their job performance is far different than thinking the person "worthless."

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

No, I wouldn't beat you up for having an opinion. However, I will call you on making stuff up, be it the wording of a poll to the poll itself.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

Most of the polls I've seen show that people are indeed disappointed in Obama and the Democrats, but even more disappointed in the Republicans.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

"with" would have been a better choice than "in".

jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

Obama did not so much win this election as McCain, frankly, lost it. Too many gaffes and rather insulting shows of hypocrisy too late in the election cycle, and then the simple reversion to the Republican standby, the politics of fear. (both sides do this, but man, the Republicans really seem to own it and make it their own)

Obama at least had the intelligence to keep that side of things under cover until all of the votes were cast.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

jonas, I disagree. Obama actually won the election. I'm not sure who could have beaten him in 2008. McCain didn't help his cause by selecting Palin, but Obama won.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

No. Bush, and any American President for that matter, has the nation's best interest at heart. I fully believe this. However, the way he went about doing what he felt was right proved to be terribly wrong and very bad for the nation and the world.

Dick Cheney, on the other hand ...

verity 4 years, 5 months ago

As much as I disagreed with most of what President Bush 43 did, and as much as I disliked his snarky, arrogant attitude, I do not believe he purposely tried to destroy the country. I really don't think Cheney did either. They (particularly Cheney) just had a wrongheaded view of where the country should go. I do believe Cheney purposely tried to destroy the middle class. When people are poor and spending most of their energy trying to survive, they are much more easily manipulated. And they are also more likely to become cannon fodder for the endless wars that the neocons want.

However, Mr. Thomas' statement "The liberal wing of the Democratic Party is dismantling the America we have known and loved . . . ." is just unmitigated and mindless drivel.

bruno2 4 years, 5 months ago

Fools that buy into the right wing diatribe against Obama will deserve what they get if we go back to Republican cronyism and fat cat policies. How soon people forget that it was the Republicans that drove up the deficit, started two unnecessary and costly wars, and trashed the economy.

People who have sex with the opposite sex are called heterosexuals. People who have sex with the same sex are called homosexuals. People who have sex with both sexes are called bisexuals. People who have sex with themselves are called poor Republicans. (edited language version).

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

so what do you have to say about the increased deficit since Pres. Obama took the reins? Just curious...

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

If the Obama Democrats are really Marxists in sheeps clothing and want to undermine the free world, the best strategy I think would be the Bush strategy.

It almost worked.

Just invade one or two more 3rd world Islamic countries and we will all be living in boxes inside of 2 years.

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

I have heard some people say they voted for Obama and regret it, but the majority of the people that I know that voted for him, do not.

I agree with your last paragraph wholeheartedly.

Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm still more scared of what we'd have with McCain/Palin administration. (shudder)

Jeremy DeBoard 4 years, 5 months ago

Time to rekindle the flames.

I'm glad I voted for Barr.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Well....plenty of folks warned them of that.

On this very site...

Almost all of AM talk-radio also warned them...

...but typical liberals, they wouldn't listen. They didn't listen to JFK "...ask not what your country can do for you" or Bill Clinton "...the era of big government is over!"

They also aren't going to learn a thing from this either. Just like President Jimmy-Jo-Bob-Bubba Carter.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

There are a few liberals making a futile attempt. Alan Combs is one that is failing miserably.

Now the small remnant is trying to rebrand themselves from "liberal" to "progressive" thinking a different label might save them.

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

is NPR am or fm? because they are not conservative, but I listened to them sometimes when I could afford my satellite radio. Had to give it up because well, in a bad economy, you tighten the belt.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Mr. RW, fortunately, more people listened to the warnings about McCain / Palin.

Amazingly, some people still think Palin would make a good president. Should Idiocracy come to pass and she actually does become president (shudder), don't say I didn't warn you.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Please sit down beatrice....

I won't vote for barak in the next election....I also will not vote for Palin (if she ended up being the one on the ballot.) She's spent plenty of time in public office neglecting her family, which includes one illegitimate grand-child. My advice to Sarah...go home and take care of your family.

So....GASP...neither one of us wants that woman in office. (No need to warn me.)

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

And yet I'll bet a zillion dollars that you did cast a vote that could have put her a single heartbeat away from becoming president. Scary.

And it is Barack. Learn the name of our President already.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't have the respect needed to either spell barracks name correctly or even capitalize it. Respect is earned, not automatically granted.

(...and now that I know it bothers you.....)

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

Talk about mistakes:

In the early 1980s, under Reagan, regulatory changes took place that gave the S&L industry new powers and for the first time in history measures were taken to increase the profitability of S&Ls at the expense of promoting home ownership.

A history of the S&L situation can be found here:

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/

What is important to note about the S&L scandal is that it was the largest theft in the history of the world and US tax payers are who was robbed.

The problems occurred in the Savings and Loan industry as they relate to theft because the industry was deregulated under the Reagan/Bush administration and restrictions were eased on the industry so much that abuse and misuse of funds became easy, rampant, and went unchecked.

There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and still part of the Bush Jr. administration today.

Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this is about one quarter of our national debt).

Between 1981 and 1989, when George Bush finally announced that there was a Savings and Loan Crisis to the world, the Reagan/Bush administration worked to cover up Savings and Loan problems by reducing the number and depth of examinations required of S&Ls as well as attacking political opponents who were sounding early alarms about the S&L industry.

Industry insiders were aware of significant S&L problems as early 1986 that they felt would require a bailout. This information was kept from the media until after Bush had won the 1988 elections.

Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.

Neil Bush was the most widely targeted member of the Bush family by the press in the S&L scandal. Neil became director of Silverado Savings and Loan at the age of 30 in 1985. Three years later the institution was belly up at a cost of $1.6 billion to tax payers to bail out.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

Mistakes galore:

Update 11/28/2003: Some of Neil Bush's business deals... For more on this see:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/112703A.shtml

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/01/26/neil_bush/index.html

It should also be noted that shortly after news of Neil Bush’s involvement in the S&L scandal hit the press his father, George Bush Sr., announced the Desert Storm campaign in Iraq, which subsequently had the result of making Neil’s name quickly fade from the headlines. In addition, while Neil Bush's divorce proceeding were exposing more backroom Bush dealings, America was once again bombarded with war propaganda for Operation Iraq Freedom.

The S&L scandal is by no means the only incident of questionable, and actually illegal, financial activity that the Bush family has been involved in. The line of questionable, illegal, and unethical businesses practices goes back at least to Prescott Bush Sr., George Bush Sr.’s father. Prescott Bush was a Senator from 1952 – 1963. Previous to his time as a Senator Prescott was a banker and businessman.

Prior to the American entry into WWII Prescott Bush was director of Union Banking Corporation. Union Banking Corporation helped to finance Hitler’s regime. The Concentration Camps of Nazi Germany were labor camps that the Nazis used to make products for their regime as well as for sale to raise money. Prescott profited directly from the Auschwitz labor camp.

In 1942, after Hitler declared war on America the United States government seized the Union Banking Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act as a front operation that was supporting the Nazis. Much of the profits from the operation were already pocketed by Prescott however, and $1.5 million was put in a trust fund for George Bush Sr.

For more on Prescott Bush's ties to the Nazis see:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

We arm the world terrorist nation or not!!

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

More facts: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

Give the ancient history a break, merrill and check this out: Speaking of the JournoList dust-up: “…The public is looking for ways to forget it voted for Obama. A narrative of fraud and deception is building around the 2008 election, as the polls for this disastrous presidency plummet. People who don’t want to admit they voted for Obama have an appetite for believing they were tricked into doing so. Laying blame at the feet of a media they increasingly distrust will be very attractive. A rational, informed electorate wouldn’t have allowed Obama to survive the Reverend Wright scandal. A great deal of media manipulation was necessary to slip him past such obstacles, and into the White House. It will be somewhat comforting to think it was all an expensive prank by the JournoList frat boys. I don’t think it’s healthy, or desirable, for the public to let itself off the hook so easily. America must fully understand the Obama mistake to ensure it is never repeated. However, I can see why people would prefer to embrace a simpler explanation. There will be a real hunger to find one in the material released by the Daily Caller. That’s one of the big reasons this story isn’t going away any time soon. It has the coarse texture and rotting smell of the very last straw for the unhappy consumers of the mainstream media, and the angry marks of the Obama swindle…” http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/07/21/whistling-past-the-journolist-graveyard/

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, it came from hotair.com -- it must be accurate!

Amy Heeter 4 years, 5 months ago

Cal Thomas is getting as bad as Leonard Pitts. The only mistakes that I can see being made at election time were those who did not get off thier buts to vote. Besides Obama hasn't even been there that long. Ok so you don't like the things he has done so far. How is that any different than any previous administration? The proof is a couple posts above. See cut & paste.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes, but what are the odds that the Republicans will actually run an unnamed candidate?

No Identified Republican in 2012! Keep hope alive!

RiverCityConservative 4 years, 5 months ago

This summer it is starting again as a low, nearly imperceptible rumble, but growing in volume and intensity it will fill the public airways and sound across the land by early autumn: "Yes we can! Yes we can!" Yes we can reform health care. Yes we can reform the banking system. Yes we can avert a national economic depression and pull the country back from the brim of disaster. Yes we can fight back when an oil conglomerate blows up a well and fills the Gulf of Mexico with millions of gallons of oil. Yes we can take the high road when the soggy teabags and do-nothing Republicans try to block any and all initiatives. Yes we can follow and support a leader who has the brains and the character to do what is required for America's future at this time here and now. "Yes we can! Yes we can!" Yes we can get the ball rolling on clean energy and rapid light rail infrastructure. Yes we can! Yes we can! The Democrats are going to win bigger than ever in November. Don't underestimate the American people's ability to see through all the conservative smoke screens and realize how lucky we are to have voted this leader into office. "Yes we can! Yes we can!" Shout it from the mountaintops!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

"The Democrats are going to win bigger than ever in November." Let us revisit that statement in a few months & see who is talking thru their hat.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

More from the JournoList: "... And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. .." What a fine pack of lads they were!

Mr_B9 4 years, 5 months ago

"Don't post here much" Obviously you live under a rock.

Do you want to speak about racism. These folks sure do...Reverend Wright , Sherrod, Black Panthers 2, NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and bigot posters calling anyone from the right a racist. Another strategic blunder. By the way, Obama run as a black man. His words not mine. So if anyone calls him black it most certainly does not make them a racist.

seriouscat 4 years, 5 months ago

Cal should've said "choosing Sarah Palin and pandering to the Bush base was a mistake". I voted for Obama and I hate the health care bill, but it weren't no mistake! Given the same choice today I would still vote for Obama.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

"August, 1981--Tax Reform Act of 1981 enacted. Provides powerful tax incentives for real-estate investment by individuals. This legislation helps create a "boom" in real estate and contributes to over-building. "

Reagan-Bush = wreckanomics

Bush Cheney = wreckanomics

fancy80 4 years, 5 months ago

For God's sake Merrill, get with the program. It's 2010!! Time to put away the leisure suit, stop perming your hair and post a real opinion.

weeslicket 4 years, 5 months ago

this comment is a bit off topic, but i'll offer it anyway. the last presidential election was between barack obama and john mccain. both men i respect. but i had to choose one or the other.

barack obama offered 2 positive concepts to me: 1. he spoke with clarity and resonance on the issue of race in america (and i thought, good: finally a chance to have a grown-up in the white house) http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=obama+a+more+perfect+union&aq=0&aqi=g8&aql=&oq=obama+a+more+per&gs_rfai=&fp=ef7f46360536d34d and that's a good thing, in my opinion. 2. i believed he had a real chance to change the electoral map, as it had existed up until the election of 2008. in other words, i believed america had a real chance to move away form some of the vicious wedge politices of recent times (e.g., karl rove). that actually happended. and that's a good thing, in my opinion.

john mccain offered 4 negative concepts to me: 1. the economy is fundamentally sound. was not correct. 2. i am suspending my campaing because it turns out the economy is fundamentally UNsound, and all this mess is very hard to work through. poor leadership. 3. not really his fault: but john mccain had the audacity (funny word, that) to run for president on the coatheals of president george w. bush (do we really need a reminder of what occurred during those 8 years?). again, not really his fault. 4. he chose sarah palin as his running mate.
gollywhompers. may i just say, that all the women and men i know who supported hillary clinton in the democractic primaries/caucuses were utterly and irrevocably offended by that choice. the choice of sarah palin guaranteed these citizens' votes for barack obama.

so, my general point is this: any election is always about candidate A vs. candidate B, and sometimes vs. candidates C and D; and the electorate makes the best decision it can. and then we continue.

Dawna 4 years, 5 months ago

Frequently in USA, these types of poll is started. And this is nothing but a wastage of money and time. I don't think such about Mr. Obama.

notajayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

Some people above asked for polling numbers, I believe:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_715.pdf

And that ain't Fox News, sheeple - PPP is generally a Democrat-leaning poll.

maxcrabb 4 years, 5 months ago

You ever walked into a room, looked around, and slooooowly backed out? That's me, right now....

notajayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

If Cal were even aware of the existence of poor, little, insignificant Larryville, I doubt he would have expected anyone there to have changed his opinion. If he were in any way familiar with these message boards, he'd pretty much know that there aren't too many people in Larryville that would do anything other than dogmatically defend their vote regardless of the disaster it helped create. Nonetheless, Cal's article was hardly fraud, overplayed - the polls do indeed reflect the fact that a significant number of voters who picked Obama in '08, particularly Independents, would not do so again today.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

In 2012, mad teleprompter skills will not be enough.

OBSERVER65 4 years, 5 months ago

God Bless our President. Putting EGO aside, which one of us could do better? Has he not had more issues (at home and abroad) to deal with than any other President in history? We are indeed fortunate to have a President with the diplomatic skills so desperately needed in these times of uncertainty. I am confident that our nation is being led by an intelligent, very capable President. Nothing/Nobody is Perfect. (The definition of Goodness is PERFECTING). It is our duty to be the best law-abiding citizens we can be. If you don't like something, then be a peace loving activist and DO something to bring about whatever change you deem to be progressive...Instead of poo-poo thoughts, why not turn all that negativism around and do something Positive? Let us focus on all there is to be truly thankful for, and how very blessed out Nation really is. Regarding the State of the Union: PRAYER is a POWERFUL TRANSFORMING TOOL, so, if nothing else,Pray, Pray, PRAY.

beatrice 4 years, 5 months ago

Party over country.

Anyone who will anounce his or her plans to vote a straight party ticket four months from the election is declaring they don't care for the best candidate, only the party. That is terribly sad.

jafs 4 years, 5 months ago

So there's a possibility you will vote Republican?

Liberty275 4 years, 5 months ago

Tarp funds at work under obama. So much for equality.

"dealerships were retained because they were recently appointed, were key wholesale parts dealers, or were minority- or woman-owned dealerships."

http://www.sigtarp.gov/reports/audit/2010/Factors%20Affecting%20the%20Decisions%20of%20General%20Motors%20and%20Chrysler%20to%20Reduce%20Their%20Dealership%20Networks%207_19_2010.pdf

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

Economic indicators suggest a possible double dip recession or extremely sluggish growth through to the end of the year. It is going to be hunker down time for awhile.

I recall George Bush saying he had a lot of political capital and he was going to spend all of it. Which he certainly did.

I don't think we can afford another big change in our economy such as Cap and Trade. The Democrats could lose a lot of seats if they go the wrong way on the energy bill. We shall see if they are wise or foolish in the next couple months.

I think Americans are tired of spending money. The well is dry.

SLOPOKE 4 years, 5 months ago

You know, you can say what you want about the O'Bama ADMIN., but if you step back and recall what Haliburton& the Carlye Group.--(WHOPP'S) I mean the Bush Admin. Recall the many issues, of that Admin. from 9/11until the whole mess was handed down to the next Admin. it would make no difference who you but in O'bama's place, that stinkin mess. that ,Bush- Cheny left was left for someone to clean-up, and O'Bama was the man. as if it was planned that way....The entire country-world has a huge MESS. to atone for..I should probably get back to work before my own mess get's out of hand.........

Johnna Feugate 4 years, 5 months ago

It's not like McCain could have done any better. Geez, give the good ol' president a chance.

weeslicket 4 years, 5 months ago

lead: ::fixed:: "Nearly six in 10 posters state they have “just some” or no confidence in cal thomas to make any reasonable observations about anything."

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

Consider how the current regime got stampeded into doing something stupid by a single video clip. I'd have expected a calmer, more reasoned response from a 3-year old caught raiding the cookie jar. What will the Community Leader in Chief do if he gets that 2:00AM phone call that something truly bad is happening? We'd better hope the world stays mostly peaceful until he is back in his mob-financed Chicago mansion.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

President Obama: the previous government destroyed the economy and jobs Therefore it is the responsibility of the new government to restore the economy and jobs aka logic by way of directly funding employment by any means.

Brownback,Tihart and Moran were there and did nothing to stop their party from destroying the economy and 11 miilion more jobs!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

Be sure to wear bright, cheerful clothing while watching the current regime descend into chaos. Oh, yeah, do yard work naked whenever you can.

TopJayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

jstthefcts I'm guessing you are younger than thirty-five. If so you don't remember the nightmare economy of the seventies. Fifty yrs of Dem. control of Congress, Dems having the White House most of the time.
Half a century of almost complete control of this Country. Do you remember the "Triple Crown" of the Carter administration? The end game of fifty yrs of absolute power?
That would be double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates.
Not to mention a coward who would not leave the White House until the Iran hostage crises was over. It took President Raygun to bring them home.
Pres. Jimmy was impotent.

Commenting has been disabled for this item.