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Rally cry: Restore America’s values

August 29, 2010

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The crowd attending the “Restoring Honor” rally, organized by Glenn Beck, is seen Saturday from the base of the Washington Monument in Washington.

The crowd attending the “Restoring Honor” rally, organized by Glenn Beck, is seen Saturday from the base of the Washington Monument in Washington.

— Conservative commentator Glenn Beck and tea party champion Sarah Palin appealed Saturday to a vast, predominantly white crowd on the National Mall to help restore traditional American values and honor Martin Luther King’s message. Civil rights leaders who accused the group of hijacking King’s legacy held their own rally and march.

While Beck billed his event as nonpolitical, conservative activists said their show of strength was a clear sign that they can swing elections because much of the country is angry with what many voters call an out-of-touch Washington.

Palin told the tens of thousands who stretched from the marble steps of the Lincoln Memorial to the grass of the Washington Monument that calls to transform the country weren’t enough. “We must restore America and restore her honor,” said the former Alaska governor, echoing the name of the rally, “Restoring Honor.”

Palin, the GOP vice presidential nominee in 2008 and a potential White House contender in 2012, and Beck repeatedly cited King and made references to the Founding Fathers. Beck put a heavy religious cast on nearly all his remarks, sounding at times like an evangelical preacher.

“Something beyond imagination is happening,” he said. “America today begins to turn back to God.”

Beck exhorted the crowd to “recognize your place to the creator. Realize that he is our king. He is the one who guides and directs our life and protects us.” He asked his audience to pray more. “I ask, not only if you would pray on your knees, but pray on your knees but with your door open for your children to see,” he said.

A group of civil rights activists organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton held a counter rally at a high school, then embarked on a three-mile march to the site of a planned monument honoring King. The site, bordering the Tidal Basin, was not far from the Lincoln Memorial where Beck and the others spoke about two hours earlier.

Sharpton and the several thousand marching with him crossed paths with some of the crowds leaving Beck’s rally. People wearing “Restoring Honor” and tea party T-shirts looked on as Sharpton’s group chanted “reclaim the dream” and “MLK, MLK.” Both sides were generally restrained, although there was some mutual taunting.

One woman from the Beck rally shouted to the Sharpton marchers: “Go to church. Restore America with peace.” Some civil rights marchers chanted “don’t drink the tea” to people leaving Beck’s rally.

Sharpton told his rally it was important to keep King’s dream alive and that despite progress more needs to be done. “Don’t mistake progress for arrival,” he said.

He poked fun at the Beck-organized rally, saying some participants were the same ones who used to call civil rights leaders troublemakers. “The folks who used to criticize us for marching are trying to have a march themselves,” he said. He urged his group to be peaceful and not confrontational. “If people start heckling, smile at them,” Sharpton said.

Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District of Columbia’s delegate to Congress, said she remembers being at King’s march on Washington in 1963. “Glenn Beck’s march will change nothing. But you can’t blame Glenn Beck for his March-on-Washington envy,” she said.

Beck has said he did not intend to choose the King anniversary for his rally but had since decided it was “divine providence.” He portrayed King as an American hero.

Sharpton and other critics have noted that, while Beck has long sprouted anti-government themes, King’s famous march included an appeal to the federal government to do more to protect Americans’ civil rights.

The crowd — organizers had a permit for 300,000 — was a sea of people standing shoulder to shoulder across large expanses of the Mall. The National Park Service stopped doing crowd counts in 1997.

Comments

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Just a couple of comments before this thread gets completely out of hand.

1. It was not 10s of thousands. It was hundreds of thousands. Go back to old estimates and you'll find the area along the reflecting pool alone holds @250K. The crowd was much larger than that.

2. The park service stopped estimating crowds in 1997 when they foolishly under-counted the million man march. All because there was way less than 1 million.

3. Why has there been no mention of MLKs niece attending the "white rally"?

4. As someone who watched the stream on facebook, there was over 130K others watching. What's the estimate from CSPAN?

5. For those who just can't figure out why Beck is so popular. Here it is. It's because he shows people our country's true history. No longer are we stuck with textbook lies and omissions. Liberal teachers can quickly be shown as frauds with personal agendas just by using a smart phone in class. We've been introduced to Black Founding Fathers...something no black leader has ever done. He asks us to sacrifice, to serve others, to provide examples for our kids, to do our part and to put others first. To honor each other, to have faith, to pray, to make our country better and to honor those who have done so. I hate to break it to you, but those are much more powerful ideals than Sharpton's "give me more".

Progressives...the tide has turned.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

"It's because he shows people our country's true history."

Embellished with just enough factual errors and leaps of logic required to make bigots proud to be white and stupid.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

I've watched him enough to know he's snake-oil salesman, and fortunately for him, there are plenty of fans of snake oil (yourself apparently included.)

But mostly, I never watch him because he makes my skin crawl. Therefore, I have no interest in immersing myself in all things Beckish merely for the purpose of debunking him.

However, if you can give me links to what you believe are some of his most insightful revelations, I'd be happy to critique them for you (if I can suppress my gag reflex.)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

As I already stated, I don't watch Beck, and have zero interest in seeing any more of his drivel than I've already been subjected to.

But you do watch Beck (unless I'm misinterpreting your sycophancy towards him.) So it would seem to me that you could easily come up with a couple of his "revelations" that we could analyze for accuracy.

Surely there's an easy link you could find for nearly every one of his programs. That should be a slam dunk for you and Glenn, right?

jaywalker 4 years, 3 months ago

"I've watch him enough to know.....I never watch him because.....As I've already stated, I don't watch....."

Brilliant.

Corey Williams 4 years, 3 months ago

"Liberal teachers can quickly be shown as frauds with personal agendas just by using a smart phone in class."

Because there are no lies on the internet, are there?

monkeyspunk 4 years, 3 months ago

If you would read any honest review of American textbook, you would indeed know that they are full of lies and half truths about history. The problem for you is that they have the exact opposite take on the past that you claim they have. American textbooks are so full of glossed over history lessons that paint America as this honorable and glorious nation that just didn't exist. So much of our inconvenient past is left out of these books, one has to wonder just what our children are being taught.

Pick up a copy of "Lies My Teacher Told Me" and you will have a cited and well proven documentation of what is lacking in America's textbooks and history lessons.

mom_of_three 4 years, 3 months ago

"Lies Across America" by the same author also is good. It tells you about historical sites and what is incorrect on monuments, etc.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

"It's because he shows people our country's true history." There is no "true history". All history is written by the winners; political, cultural, racial, etc. The fact that there is historical bias is one of the first things taught in a serious, college level history course.

"Progressives...the tide has turned." You say this as if it were something to fear. Why? The tides of the human condition have flooded and receded for thousands of years. The political arguments of today will mean nothing in 1000 years to the everyday human condition of that time, just as those 1000 years ago mean nothing to the daily condition now. The United States enjoys the distinction of being the longest running organized democracy in world history. 234 years. This is a bump on the butt of most European monarchies. You really think "the tide has turned"? Get back with me in a hundred years or so.

phenommenom 4 years, 3 months ago

True History? I am not sure he mentioned the Religious Crusades, raping, in slavery, discrimination, and murdering..... Why must you hate on Al Sharpton? What do you mean "give me more"? Why must the right always have to hate hate hate. It would be nice to leave a comment without all the hate. It's like you have to belittle others to justifiy your hereos.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

I'm sure you think so Tom. It's your own sock puppet.

cowboy 4 years, 3 months ago

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scott3460 4 years, 3 months ago

Other than imploring us to introduce religion in to public life (hmmm,) were there specifics provided in yesterday's speech? All I see are references to are bromides such as "restoring honor" (I would actually agree we need to do some of that - the illegal wars, foreign invasions, illegal wiretapping, and torture have sullied our honor. Not to mention the general theft of the public good engineered over the last 8 years. Leftists get accused of hating America when they offer these criticisms, but nice to see the crying clown offer a moment of lucidity,) "honoring each other" (hmmm, sounds vaguely socialistic. Aren't we all supposed to just live independently and by the sweat of our own brow? Except those who live off of inherited wealth, of course, they get a nice tax break to continue to do so. But for the rest of us isn't it survival of the fittest, if you're poor it's because you're lazy or God hates you etc.) and "make our country better (again, leftists are accused of hating America for wanting to do the same thing. Do Beck and his followers hate our country if they are so concerned about the need to make if better? And how, specifically, is this to be done?)

There you go, Tom. Only one name calling and no insults to Christians, conservatives or mainstream America. I have more in my toolbox than that, as you know. Just questions. Questions that, more than likely, will never be squarely answered.

grammaddy 4 years, 3 months ago

They only have one tool in their box...FEAR.

Boosh 4 years, 3 months ago

And fear sells. Fear sells better then sex. Take viagra for example. Viagra is not about sex it's about fear. Marketers know this, they play on this every day. Yes I'm afraid, afraid of how the marketing departments in everything from religion to politics use fear to manipulate our way of thinking.

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

You mean like if we don't pass this massive stimulus bill the country will shut down tomorrow...or if you don't get your H1N1 vaccine you're going to die...or if we don't switch to wind and sun immediately life as we know it is done for...or if we don't give the FDA greater control over our food supply we're all going to get e-coli...or if you don't go along with the unions then tomorrow your house will be surrounded by hundreds of ACORN punks bused in by said unions...

Do you need more examples?

You think all those rich, white people on the Titanic said the same thing about the watchmen who first saw the iceberg? "Stupid, uneducated fear-monger...don't you know this thing is too big to fail!"

Telling people to wake up, research, learn and stop sitting on their butts while their representatives do whatever they want is not fear.

Maybe...just maybe, people with your perspective are scared. Scared at the majority of this fine country finally waking up and telling you enough is enough.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Wow! I wish you would have told that to the 1994 Republican National Convention. They only repeated the words "weapons of mass destruction" 184 times.

monkeyspunk 4 years, 3 months ago

So using your first grader logic, if someone else does something it is just fine for me to do it.

Grow up. Using fear to sell anything, especially a political message should never be encouraged or accepted by the American people. I hated when Bush did it for 7 years, and I hated it when Obama did it when he bailed out the banks. It is dirty and takes advantage of those who just don't know any better.

Bush launched a war that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and thousands of American soldiers supported by a campaign of fear. How dare you ever attempt to justify such activity.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

"Do you need more examples?"

What I'd like to hear is specific examples of what you and Beck want to do. And please, no more of that patriotic, religious claptrap. Policy specifics only, please.

And include in there what Beck means by the "darkness" that's supposedly surrounding us.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

As I said above-- provide me with some of his "revelatory truths," and I'll tell you what I think.

Truthspeaker 4 years, 3 months ago

Faulty logic, there, Bozo.

You made a claim, and now you expect others to do work so you can try to back it up.

Either you have a real basis for the claim or you are talking out your butt.

So far, you REFUSE to provide any backup for your statement, so that only leaves the second option.

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Yesterday wasn't meant to be a day full of taking points. It was meant to show people are not alone and that there really are honorable folks in our midst. If you want specifics, start watching Beck and learning for yourself. He says repeatedly...don't take what I say as truth, educate yourself. Prove him wrong...find specifics...find historical foundation for your arguments. I bet you can't. As I said earlier, that's one of the reasons for his popularity. He helps teach conservatives why the progressive agenda has zero legs to stand on and zero success EVER when implemented.

Theft of public good has been going on for about 120 yrs now. The only exception were probably Coolidge and Reagan.

Despite what you think, there is not a rich tax code and a poor tax code. There is employer and employee. You want tax breaks...start a business.

God hates sin...not the sinner. If you're poor, it could be consequence of not following principles of success. I know, consequence is not something most progressives want to acknowledge. By the way, those principles are found repeatedly in the Bible. Just because you don't believe in something does not mean it's not there.

Is that square enough?

scott3460 4 years, 3 months ago

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it." Ezekiel 16:49-50

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12

"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter." James 5:1-5

Jimo 4 years, 3 months ago

" If you're poor, it could be consequence of not following principles of success."

Could be. Or could be the consequence of having less effective lobbyists that Wall Street fat cats. Or your own cable propaganda network.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

" If you're poor, it could be consequence of not following principles of success." What's that? Being unwilling to lie, cheat and steal?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

This is the best response I have read to date about what happened. It was written by a black woman. By pass it and you will show just how gutless you all really are. http://angryblackbitch.blogspot.com/2010/08/untitled.html

grammaddy 4 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for posting that link.Loved the line..." I do not have to reclaim what is already mine." Priceless.There are better ways to show appreciation for Dr. King than throwing an extravaganza for like-minded sheeple. Reach out a hand to those less fortunate than yourself. That shows the true spirit of Dr. King's legacy.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

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FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Why would someone have such little self respect they call themselves that?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

It's a common reaction of oppressed people to call themselves the names given to them by their oppressors in order to neutralize the sting of the names. I suspect many of Beck's most loyal followers (in private) wouldn't hesitate to refer to her in precisely those terms. Some of them would probably even do it openly at a Tea Party.

aa469285 4 years, 3 months ago

I won't read anything titled "angryblackbitch."

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Why of course you wouldn't. We wouldn't want to soil those white Stepford gloves, would we?

aa469285 4 years, 3 months ago

I don't need to read a singular person's blog whose title has a disgraceful and demeaning adjective in it. And the fact that you propagate such nonsense gives me everything I need to know about you. This has nothing to do with "taking the power away from the word," but instead has everything to do with shock value. But you're free to read and post it as often as you'd like. The average person (clearly not you) will ignore it.

And let's not pretend that the blog has any redeeming value.

deec 4 years, 3 months ago

So do you object to angry, or black? Because those are the only adjectives. I'm just saying

SpeedRacer 4 years, 3 months ago

Over the weekend, the average age in the D.C. area went up 30, the average IQ went down 30 and the Country Kitchen Buffet made a killing on their early bird special.

geekyhost 4 years, 3 months ago

His adherents seem to have the same obsession. More sheep just means more wool he can pull over their eyes, not that their opinion is transformed to truth.

beatrice 4 years, 3 months ago

A sea of Beckensteins, the dumb cousins of Ditto-heads. Looked like a zombie invasion.

1029 4 years, 3 months ago

I'd estimate 35-50 thousand people, maybe 60,000 tops. Not a bad turnout at all.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Funny. I have never heard anybody shrill, angry and panicky but you.

beatrice 4 years, 3 months ago

... or in a total dither. Going on two years now, Tom has been in a dither. Does he not realise he will never get these years back? Two years now, at least two more and very possibly six more years just being angry and howling at the moon. How very sad.

voevoda 4 years, 3 months ago

Beck calls for Americans to "return to God," "recognize the Creator" who "guides and directs our life and protects us," and for Americans to "pray on our knees." That's exactly what our Muslim fellow-Americans are doing--even to the posture in prayer. Did Beck intend to include them? Did he intend to exclude from "honorable" America Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and Jews who don't kneel for prayer? Or those respectable and responsible folks who are not religious?

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Keep grasping...those straws are getting smaller.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

This is one helluva big straw. "Christianity is not, nor has it ever been, a part of the common law." Thomas Jefferson 1812

In fact, if anything, in the face of that I think you would be the one grasping at straws.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

I apologize. My citation was wrong. It was written by TJ in a letter to Thomas Cooper in 1814. No wonder Texas wanted so desperately to shut him up.

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Nowhere has Beck ever said to return to Christianity. He said return to God. Yesterday he included all religions and had widely different representatives on the steps with him. Few of them would agree on anything other than God needs to be the focus.

Your quote doesn't apply at all. Look into the context of what Jefferson was arguing for and stop just googling for something you hope shows our founders were atheist or agnostic.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

"He said return to God."

Does that include the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

I didn't "Google it". I'm a bit more versatile as a researcher than that. I know the context for which TJ was arguing. And it was religion, not just Christianity. For the sake of the people and the citizenry religion needed to stay out of the law. Conversely, the law needs to stay out of religion. Indeed in that sense my quote does apply. Returning to "God" means nothing. Who is God? What definition are you going to use? And how is that definition going to fit the needs of a quarter billion US citizens? Beck can get up on a podium and pontificate all he likes. He cannot speak for all of America.

aa469285 4 years, 3 months ago

Did your research come from a blog title "angryblackbitch?" I heard from someone that she writes an AMAZING blog.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Wow. Girlfriend hit a nerve, didn't she?

beatrice 4 years, 3 months ago

He should have called for a return to the Crusade. That would have stirred up his groupies.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Allow me to introduce Beck,Palin and their amercan values team:

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Savings and Loan Heist "There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and were part of the Bush Jr. administration.

Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this was about one quarter of our national debt"). http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  1. The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers "And, yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments.

Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities ignoring their regulatory responsibilities." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  1. Only 3 major Financial Institutions Were at Risk In Spite of What Were Told ? "There were just a handful of institutions that were terribly weakened.

AIG the insurer, Bank of America, Citigroup, those three were clearly in very weakened form. So, many of the other big banks were not. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

  1. Privatizing Social Security Would Place the Nations Economy at Risk "Social Security privatization will raise the size of the government's deficit to nearly $700 billion per year for the next 20 years, almost tripling the size of the national debt.

Put simply, moving to a system of private accounts would not only put retirement income at risk--it would likely put the entire economy at risk." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = tax increases for the middleclass. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Ahhhhh yes american values...

Why would a country ever vote republican again after these crimes against america?

  1. Bush Reagan Iran – Contra Secret Weapons Affair http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/execsum.htm http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/24/spy.network.probe/index.html

  2. Nixon's Watergate http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/index.html

  3. Bush/Cheney dropping the ball thus 9/11/01. The terrorists were living but blocks away from Gen Hayden and his NSA headquarters in Maryland for about two years.

  4. The Bush/Cheney money hole aka their multi-trillion dollar violent occupation of Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

  5. McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five. The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate ... http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

Flap Doodle 4 years, 3 months ago

Wow, merrill. It's been days since we've seen those sets of links. I'm sure everybody will read all that stuff & believe it this time (not).

beatrice 4 years, 3 months ago

Snap, you should respond with some arbitrary links about crime in Chicago. That will show him.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 3 months ago

As soon as I have posted the same set of links over 100 times, I'll take merrill's mantle, until then, not so much.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

You've posted the same whine over the same links at least 100 times.

Just sayin.

scott3460 4 years, 3 months ago

Tell it Brother Merrill. No matter how many times you post the litany of abuses visited upon us by the right wingers, they never have any answer. Just ....what's the word.....oh yeah...bloviating.

Mixolydian 4 years, 3 months ago

You forgot the Teapot Dome scandal.....where are those links? How can you expect to be taken serious as a mass spammmer/troll without linking to that?

pizzapete 4 years, 3 months ago

The Teapot Dome, that's awesome haven't heard that one in a great while.

scott3460 4 years, 3 months ago

Hmmm, right wing politician involved in corrupt theft of publicly held resource via noncompetitive transfer to well connected private interests.

Sound familiar? It should. The names of the individuals involved were different than those involved in the more recent history, but really its all the same game being played by essentially the same folks. For 50-60 years in this country the public rose up and put them in there place. They've squirmed mostly free in the last 30.

Jimo 4 years, 3 months ago

Last week's reporting on how Kansas billionaires fund the Tea Party was quite revealing.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

CountyResident 4 years, 3 months ago

Yes indeed. It is because of the Koch brothers lobbying efforts that Kansas has no money for education. Their lobbying in the last few years has reduced Kansas estate tax, corporate franchise tax and business personal property taxes. To make up for this lost state revenue Kansas rasied sales tax on personal purchases, including food.

FreshAirFanatic 4 years, 3 months ago

Power defeats force every time. It may not happen immediately...but it happens. America knows the media is hiding what happened yesterday by under reporting numbers. It knows how slanted the coverage and articles written were.

It knows.

The power of what was talked about yesterday is beyond any ideals the progressives can muster. What they say just doesn't resonate. That's why they have to resort to force.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Back to the "Anointed One" Tom? He was voted into office. Say it with me. VOTED. If that's more than you can handle then please go to the UK where they really do have an anointed one who is the third richest woman in the world, along with socialized health care and 50% death and estate taxes Oh and don't let the door hit ya in the backside on the way out.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 3 months ago

Where does Dear Leader allowing his aunt to live in poverty come into that? His brother was living in a dirt-floored hut last I heard. Barry's all over that Christian thing, for sure.

sibkiss 4 years, 3 months ago

Glenn Beck is getting attention away from the anti-war Tea Partier Dr.Ron Paul's messge and putting it back on the pro-war Neocons message like Palin. It's so "honorable" to get blown up defending the theocracies in the middle east (Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan) and so "dishonorable" to say it time to stop bullying them.

? All a prelude to another strike against Iran, the Neocon's real desired target. ?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Beck can pontificate all he likes. The truth is he does not and cannot speak for one third of a billion people. And that, Virginia, is what truly scares the right.

booyalab 4 years, 3 months ago

"Sharpton and other critics have noted that"

I don't know if I buy that. Blathered, maybe, or shrieked. Excreted.

scott3460 4 years, 3 months ago

""We must restore America and restore her honor,"

Will one of the wingers please explain, with specificity, what must be restored and how they propose to do so. Also, our country has apparently lost her honor. How? What is it that has been done that resulted in this loss of honor? How will honor be restored?

staff04 4 years, 3 months ago

“We’re not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today — because we were witnesses.”--Michele Bachmann, on the Beck event.

Actual, professionally performed count: 87,000 +/- 9,000.

I suspect this is why they are so angry...they grossly overestimate their numbers and can't fathom how they lost control of the country, what with the dominating majority of the country on their side...

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Voters always need reminders of documented history.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

Must be those brownshirts they all have in their closets.

mom_of_three 4 years, 3 months ago

I think its funny that Tom criticizes the left for being scared and name calling, but he does it while calling the left names....

hello pot, meet kettle

Armored_One 4 years, 3 months ago

Take the damned religion out fo the argument. Theocracies have failed over and over again, and yet, for some inexplicable reason, people just ache to go back to them.

Now before you start this whole rant as to why I am so evil because I refuse to bend my knee to an absentee landlord like the Christian God, don't bother wasting your energy. I was raised Roman Catholic, and still believe most of the Ten Commandments. I also believe in the tenets of much older faiths, although the hijacking of them in recent years is a tad bit sickening, but that is a different beef of mine and doesn't belong here.

Why is the Christian God so much better than Marduk, for example? Or Allah, for that matter? What makes the Bible so damned important? Aesop wrote moral fables, but I don't see anyone swearing an oath to tell the truth in court on a book of his tales. The modern Bible, in every connotation, is a flat out joke.

Faith and belief are amazingly powerful, uplifting things. Yours isn't anymore right than the guy or gal standing behind you in line at McDonald's.

Don't run around killing people just the fun of it. Don't take stuff that isn't yours. Don't lie. Don't bang the neighbor's wife while the hubby is at work. Be nice to people.

This is common sense stuff that I teach my kids. It doesn't come out the Bible, at least not for me.

As to the rest of it, every nut has a squirrel that will chase it, and even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Tea party Money

Op-Ed Columnist The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party By FRANK RICH

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?src=me&ref=general

Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception.” To New Yorkers who associate the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center with the New York City Ballet, it’s startling to learn that the Texas branch of that foundation’s political arm, known simply as Americans for Prosperity, gave its Blogger of the Year Award to an activist who had called President Obama “cokehead in chief.”

The other major sponsor of the Tea Party movement is Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks, which, like Americans for Prosperity, is promoting events in Washington this weekend. Under its original name, Citizens for a Sound Economy, FreedomWorks received $12 million of its own from Koch family foundations. Using tax records, Mayer found that Koch-controlled foundations gave out $196 million from 1998 to 2008, much of it to conservative causes and institutions. That figure doesn’t include $50 million in Koch Industries lobbying and $4.8 million in campaign contributions by its political action committee, putting it first among energy company peers like Exxon Mobil and Chevron. Since tax law permits anonymous personal donations to nonprofit political groups, these figures may understate the case. The Kochs surely match the in-kind donations the Tea Party receives in free promotion 24/7 from Murdoch’s Fox News, where both Beck and Palin are on the payroll.

The New Yorker article stirred up the right, too. Some of Mayer’s blogging detractors unwittingly upheld the premise of her article (titled “Covert Operations”) by conceding that they have been Koch grantees. None of them found any factual errors in her 10,000 words. Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals — selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view — he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes.

staff04 4 years, 3 months ago

You're obviously just terrified of her. Why else would you keep talking about her? This woman just wants to be left alone and you keep dragging her into the conversation. It's so clear that she has you shaking in your shoes. Your Obamanation is a one and done and you know that Sarah Palin is who the people really want.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 3 months ago

Counseling is what I would recommend for these folks. I think 10 years from now they will be asking themselves how they could ever believe someone like Glenn Beck or that Obama was the evil dark prince they imagined him to be.

What was the final evil thing that convinced you to jump into this nonsense?

Requiring everyone to have health insurance?

It will happen sooner or later anyway. Count on it.

Everything in this political climate is completely exaggerated and every nut is getting his 15 minutes of fame.

slowplay 4 years, 3 months ago

This is a fringe element of society. There will always be a "Beck" to rally, encourage and incite those who hate their lot in life and blame others for it. Racial overtones, lies and fearful rhetoric, are the common denominators. He is merely an entertainer who has found an audience. His motives are personal fame and money.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

In aftermath of his extravaganza, Beck concedes that he's a poorly behaved bigmouth and liar.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/29/glenn-beck-regrets-callin_n_698580.html

Wallace: "Do you regret having called [Obama] a racist and saying he had a deep seated hatred for white people?"

Beck: "Of course I do. I don't want to retract the, um ... I want to amend that I think it is much more of a theological question, that he is a guy who understands the world through liberation theology, which is oppressor-and-victim. 'Racist,' first of all, it shouldn't have been said. It was poorly said. I have a big fat mouth sometimes and I say things. That's just not the way people should behave. And it was not accurate. It is liberation theology that has shaped his world view."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 3 months ago

"Beck is still inaccurate."

Wow, a crack in Tom's facade of ignorance.

slowplay 4 years, 3 months ago

"who are the Republicans going to submit as their champions in '12"...... This is probably the biggest question of all. Right now I really do not see any viable candidates.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

Believe this. Then maybe...just maybe...you'll understand why people are still obsessed with W. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj2RR_IZyFc

mbulicz 4 years, 3 months ago

Well, our time as an economic superpower was fine while it lasted. Back to the dark ages, where science is distrusted, logic is treason, and knowledge is threatening.

cowboy 4 years, 3 months ago

The republicans may well have to use a crash test dummy for their 2012 candidate.

Looking over the possibilities Mr. Dummy rates pretty high amongst the quitters and philanderers that populate the GOP hopefuls.

And now that you've got your run out of hating gays , immigrants , muslims , who will be the target for the next hate cycle to get the GOP to the polls ? I would guess those socialist old people sucking up social ( socialist ) security.

geekin_topekan 4 years, 3 months ago

What "American Values" are we talking about? The systematic oppression of women and minorities or the continued genocide of Indians?

Remember that the new colonies were intended for white Christian males and all others were subjects thereof or not human. Those are NOT the only "American Values" that we have physical documentation of however. We also have documentation of the US agreements to support the natives on the reservation which include food, health care, hunting rights, and education.

Are these the "American Values" we speak of, or are we only speaking of ones that are found in songs?

blindrabbit 4 years, 3 months ago

Had a chance to re-watch a part of Glenn's speech at the Lincoln Memorial. Kind of reminded me of another right-wing wannabe of about 70 some years ago. Joseph Goebbels, Reichminister of Propaganda for the Nazi Party set the tone and style for Herr Beck; Tea Party, GOP Mouthpiece Minister of Fear and Bigotry.

mbulicz 4 years, 3 months ago

Godwin's law in one paragraph.

You're not going to drown out hyperbole with hyperbole. If you truly disagree with Beck's noise machine, respond with substance, not noise.

rabb 4 years, 3 months ago

You waste more time than that everyday with your pathetic rants on here.

mbulicz 4 years, 3 months ago

Did Beck have to wear a bulletproof vest?

I'm not asking if he did. I'm asking if he had to.

I'd guarantee 90% of the guns in DC were at that event and that his supporters were the ones strapped with them.

slowplay 4 years, 3 months ago

"Accept it, America is flatly rejecting the radical Obama/Pelosi/Reid socialist agenda. They're finished. "... Tom, This ranks right up there with your prediction that McCain was America's choice for President and as late as October of 2009 you were predicting an overwhelming Republican victory. I tend to believe your views as to what America really wants are slightly skewed by those red tinted glasses your wear. BTW, both my wife and I were staunch McCain supporters (had been for years) until Palin was brought on board.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 4 years, 3 months ago

In another place, another time and another country, it was a time of very severe unemployment. The economic situation was bordering on desperate. People were very distraught with their government and wanted change.

A brilliant leader came to the fore promising that he would restore the economy, makle their country an economic powerhouse, that he would restore the faith of the people in the leadership. He promised that all the country would be in one accord and that there would be no more despair. He arranged for a huge rally attended by thousands of his countrymen. He made brilliant speeches that caught the imagination of all the people present. He evoked a religious like following of all the people of his country He was eventually elevated to leader, the lawful existing government was destroyed, the president of the republic was removed. He took this amazing of public approval as his destiny to proceed with the enoblement of the country

The time was 1934. The place was Nurmburg, Germany. The leader was Adolf Hitler.

Are you scared yet?

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

"Are you scared yet?" Only of people like you.

blindrabbit 4 years, 3 months ago

TongieTom: My comparison between Herrs Goebbels and Beck did not speak of details in any particular speech as you ask me to demonstrate or prove; instead I dealt with "Style" and "tone". On that, a quick open-minded tour of "Joesph Goebbels Fear, Drama, God, Style and delivery" on any of the many websites will justify my comparison.

Use of fear: One of Beck's favorite tactics; Goebbels was a master at this Use of drama: Beck's use of emotional style, crying, emoting and gesturing: Goebbels was a drama student Use of god:and religion: Beck uses this all the time including D.C. Rally, Goebbels likewise used references to god, a favorite Nazi tactic. Use of Aryan supremacy:: Beck implies this all the time, Goebbels likewise, both Germanic Military service: Beck was rejected, Goebbels a cripple, rejected and bitter because of it. Delivery style: Both individuals are intelligent and masters of this, especially to the downtrodden. Both aware of history, talking points; both good at twisting truths to substantiate dogma. Both were drug users and alcoholics., confirmed by Beak, ad nauseam! Both were self loathers, well documented for both, due to religious upbringing?. Minimizing the opponent; the key to their "successes" Crowd size: D.C. crowd estimated anywhere from 70,000 to 300,00; who knows, Not a problem for Goebbels, no opposition once Nazis and SS in control, who knows. Security: Beck work a vest??, propaganda tool! Geobbels had Himmler and SS goons.

Keep the faith, baby!

blindrabbit 4 years, 3 months ago

Forgot a comment: Any relationship: Black Robe Regiment and Black Shirts. Ironic that Herrs Beck and Goebbels are maybe likewise connected.

ScottyMac 4 years, 3 months ago

Glenn Beck told his followers: "I ask, not only if you would pray on your knees, but pray on your knees but with your door open for your children to see."

Jesus Christ told his: "When you pray, go into your room, shut your door, and pray to your Father in secret. Your Father will see you pray secretly and will reward you openly."

ScottyMac 4 years, 3 months ago

You'd think that these so-called Christians might pick up that book they claim to love so much and, you know, read it. Perhaps they could start with those words that are printed in red.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 3 months ago

"Keep the politics out of religion/faith... and keep the religion/faith out of politics."


I have been trumpeting this for some time; not just as a central "truth" but as a tenet set down by the people that framed this country at it's beginning. As a consequence I have been called an agnostic/atheist/secular humanist/godless/ you name it POS. I quote Thomas Jefferson, James Madison (who is my collateral ancestor; we descend from his uncle and had the same grandfather) and Thomas Paine and I get told that "the point isn't Christianity" (please see FAF's August 29, 2010 at 3:46 p.m. reply to me). Of course the point isn't "Christianity". The point is religion of any kind. And it goes far beyond just "politics". Over and over the people that started this country in myriad ways have said, "Religion doesn't belong in the law and the law doesn't belong in religion." I shudder to think what this country would have been without that and fully believe this country wouldn't have lasted two years, much less two hundred, without it. That belief alone may very well be responsible for the longevity of the symbolic democracy that is the US.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Restore America's Values = Keep the republican party crooks out of power which has been a real problem for the past 30 years. Each repub admin beginning with Reagan/Bush has had questionable war motives,taking financial institutions down and other criminal activity.

Let's put america back to work!

With 23 million looking for full time employment bouncing back from the Bush/Cheney fraud on the financial system and the tax payers will take a lot more time as predicted.

Until the greater majority demand new industry with OUR tax dollars to provide new jobs FOR the jobless who want to support the USA economy the economic outlook will remain bleak.

How about some socialism for small business,the self employed and the unemployed to get the economy "smokin" again.Lawrence has plenty of older existing infrastructure going to hell due to mismanagement of local tax dollars. The USA has tons of infrastructure that needs attention which could employ tons of people for the next 3 years easily.

New "Clean Energy" projects could do the same. Other jobs in OUR local communities will be the end result!

Ending the multi trillion war completely will be a huge step and fewer soldiers will come home in boxes.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 3 months ago

Do these republican activities represent American values?

Study these facts and you will understand my position. Repubs are not repubs. They became radical right wing in 1980 and never looked back. All the while ripping apart our economy and watching millions upon millions of jobs go abroad.

This is what I mean:

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Savings and Loan Heist "There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and were part of the Bush Jr. administration.

Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this was about one quarter of our national debt").

The Reagan/Bush savings and loan heist was considered the largest theft in history at the time. George Herbert Walker Bush then took $1.4 trillion of taxpayers money to cover the theft. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  1. The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers "And, yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities ignoring their regulatory responsibilities." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  2. Only 3 major Financial Institutions Were at Risk In Spite of What Were Told ? "There were just a handful of institutions that were terribly weakened. AIG the insurer, Bank of America, Citigroup, those three were clearly in very weakened form. So, many of the other big banks were not. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

  3. Privatizing Social Security Would Place the Nations Economy at Risk "Social Security privatization will raise the size of the government's deficit to nearly $700 billion per year for the next 20 years, almost tripling the size of the national debt.

Put simply, moving to a system of private accounts would not only put retirement income at risk--it would likely put the entire economy at risk." http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class = tax increases for the middleclass. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

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