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Bill Clinton speaks of right-wing conspiracy

September 28, 2009

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— Bill Clinton says a vast, right-wing conspiracy that once targeted him is now focusing on President Barack Obama.

The ex-president made the comment in a television interview when he was asked about one of the signature moments of the Monica Lewinsky affair over a decade ago. Back then, first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton used the term “vast, right-wing conspiracy” to describe how her husband’s political enemies were out to destroy his presidency.

Bill Clinton was asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” whether the conspiracy is still there. He replied: “You bet. Sure it is. It’s not as strong as it was because America has changed demographically. But it’s as virulent as it was.”

Clinton said that this time around, the focus is on Obama and “their agenda seems to be wanting him to fail.”

Comments

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

Even if it's there, Mr. Clinton, what's the point of talking about it?

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

Oh, and. . .

"How do you even comment on this? WOW!"

It should be easy, for you. Just write one of your regular posts, then do a search and replace of "left" for "right" and not even you would be able to tell the difference.

Clinton might have been dumb, but if any poster on here hardly has any right to mock, it would definitely be you, Muse of Hypocrisy.

GardenMomma 5 years, 10 months ago

I think conspiracy theories are a conspiracy.
: )

flicker 5 years, 10 months ago

jonas_opines (Anonymous) says… "Even if it's there, Mr. Clinton, what's the point of talking about it"?

J-O, I mean Mr. Independent - what's the point of commenting on it?

headdoctor 5 years, 10 months ago

I never ascribe to conspiracy when ignorance and greed can produce the same result.

No. Wait. I think I just discovered the problem with the current so called conservative Republicans.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 10 months ago

In Bill-speak "vast right-wing conspiracy" = "everyone on the starboard side of Lenin".

labmonkey 5 years, 10 months ago

This so-called right-wing conspiracy may be the only thing that saves us from utter bankruptcy.

headdoctor 5 years, 10 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… How do you even comment on this? WOW!


TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… Well, first of all, anyone with a memory and even a scintilla of common sense knows that it was not a 'vast right wing conspiracy'. There was a blue dress owned by Ms. Lewinski with Clinton's DNA on it and there were subsequent lies under oath by Clinton about the affair. I'm not sure where the conspiracy is. Secondly, looking at the years 2001 thru 2008, how can any liberal Democrat say this with a straight face? But I realize high profile liberals have to fulfill their obligations to the current occupant of the whitehouse.


There you go Tom. I knew you were only joking because you were not caught with a lack for words.

There are 4 things you and the wacko right wing do not like about Obama. Everything he says, everything he does, he is a Democrat, and he isn't white. I think that pretty well sums it up.

Your candidate lost the last election. Get over it. There is a reason McCain lost and if the Republicans keep on their current path(who knows what that is)they will loose even bigger next time.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

flicker (Anonymous) says…

"J-O, I mean Mr. Independent - what's the point of commenting on it?"

Well, flicker, then what's the point of commenting on my commenting on it? Perhaps, in both cases, it's because this is a "commenting" section? Nah.

So I'm curious now, who's the old face under this new mask? I was ambiguous for awhile if you were new or a rebirth, and I'm getting an inkling now that it's the latter.

Margins of error nonwithstanding.

gphawk89 5 years, 10 months ago

Is this any different than the vast, left-wing conspiracy that once targeted Bush? And does anyone really care what Bill thinks nowadays?

Shane Garrett 5 years, 10 months ago

How can there be vast any-wing conspiracies? Did not all our leaders graduate from the same secrect societies? Well, I guess even our fore fathers, who were freemasions, had their disagreements. Yawn. Have another cup of joe, before the mud slinging.

somedude20 5 years, 10 months ago

gphawk89 (Anonymous) says… Is this any different than the vast, left-wing conspiracy that once targeted Bush

I guess the "vast left-wing" needs to study up as Mr. Bill got pinched for not being truthful about a sexual encounter while stank Bush got away with mislead a BS war in Iraq. I could ask you which is worse but I have a feeling as to what your answer would be.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

"I could ask you which is worse but I have a feeling as to what your answer would be."

I think it would be "it depends." With what it depended on being whether there was a (D) or an (R) behind the name.

purplesage 5 years, 10 months ago

It seems inconceivable to liberals, because of the arrogance with which their views are often held, that anyone could disagree with the ideas they espouse. Mr. Clinton, Mr. Obama and the rest just need to understaand there are huge numbers of people - around half - who disagree with what they want to accomplish and accept it for what it is - political difference. To label it a "conspiracy" is nonsense. What about the virulence of the attacks on George W. Bush over the last 4-6 years. Could it be that there is a vast, press supported conspiracy to oppose him? Or is it just that there are lots of people who disagreed with him, even as they do the current occumpant of the White House.?

JimmyJoeBob 5 years, 10 months ago

There is a group of people running this right wing conspiracy they are called republicans. There is also a left wing conspiracy run by a group called the democrats. Mr Clinton get real

somedude20 5 years, 10 months ago

Blinded by the Right” by David Brock is a great read. I did a paper on it at Penn State and found it funny that the right's #1 man became #1 enemy just because he was gay.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Clinton, the mid-90's called. Your relevance misses you and wants you to come back.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

Porch..you think that Slick willy Clinton was one of the top 4 presidents in all of history? really? so we should just go carve Washington right out of Rushmore? while we're doctoring it up, we should probably go ahead and get started on carving Obama in as well.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

Has anybody but me ever wondered if Logrithmic and Barrypenders are two halves of the same person, like the narrator and Tyler Durden in Fight Club or something?

God Bless for the leftist. Darwin Bless for the rightist.
The rest is all stereotyped and largely-thoughtless fluff that smells? Can anybody else see this mirror?

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Carter calls the loyal opposition (that's what is was when Bush was in office, right?) racist, Bill Clinton calls it a vast conspiracy. Just another attempt by a former Dem President who is attempting to silence opposition by grasping for straws and using empty rhetoric. Do they really think anyone is fooled?

I am not sure which comment by a former President is more naive and offensive to people who have legitimate disagreements with Obama's policies. Maybe we should take a vote....

Who thinks Carter's comment is a greater attempt to silence opposing viewpoints, and who thinks Clinton gets the crown?

georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 10 months ago

If I remember correctly the "vast right wing consparicy" was spreading a totaly fales story about Bill and Monica, right??

That turned out to be true. Then bill lied to the Grand Jury. Then Libby lied to the FBI, and went to jail, right??

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

Porch, nice skew of data. out of 1/3 of all presidents, he came in 4th, with a whopping 13% of the votes. not exactly award winning. since we're reading things the way we like, your data also shows this:

"Which of these eleven presidents we have had since World War II would you consider the worst president: [see below]?"

George W. Bush  34               
Richard Nixon           17               
Bill Clinton            16               
Jimmy Carter            13

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

Satirical: Carter gets the nod, hands down. The difference between dumb and absurd is a big difference.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

Porch, you missed the important part of the very poll you're discussing. Obama has been on a steady decline since he took office. sure he has a few bumps up here and there, but look at the record.. by the way, approval rating is the black line.

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

jonas_opines...

That's a good point. Although I would add, "The difference between dumb and absurd (or paranoid) is a big difference."

Voting Update: One (1) vote for Carter, Zero (0) votes for Clinton.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

also porch, we all know that currently Bush is considered the worst president. I imagine that is because the current president can't shut up about how bad the previous administration was. that's an old politics trick.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 10 months ago

"also porch, we all know that currently Bush is considered the worst president. I imagine that is because the current president can't shut up about how bad the previous administration was. that's an old politics trick."

I imagine he's considered the worst because most of us are still licking our wounds and suffering the consequences. In other words, there is no denying what we know to be true based on actual experience. Give the corporate media and right wing revisionists another 10 years and his reputation will have been improved significantly.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

why not, time has worked for other presidents. after all, people are still excited about The New Deal, and that was actually a massive disaster.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

why do you assume that I'm a Republican? I think you make a lot of assumptions from your narrow viewpoint.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

I don't know, Satirical. The self-styled conservative media moves in enough of a lockstep from what I've seen to at least give a paranoid foundation for a paranoid viewpoint.

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

Does Mr. Clinton believe it was the vast, right-wing conspiracy that sent Ms. Lewinsky into his oval office?

The lack of merit to his argument is self-evident. People can (and are) reaching their own conclusions.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

additionally, a lot of people watch FOX. in fact. I think the tally is CNN+MSNBC+CNBC < FOX. And 40% of FOX viewers align themselves as Independent voters. That means that those normal humans who refuse to subscribe to the far right or the far left find FOX to be the best choice for truth. and, more and more Democrats are jumping ship for the middle ground since the Democratically controlled congress and white house emerged. why is that i wonder...

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

jonas_opines... "The self-styled conservative media moves in enough of a lockstep from what I've seen to at least give a paranoid foundation for a paranoid viewpoint."

So, your argument is: if too many people (or media outlets) agree that 'X' is bad for the country, then it is a conspiracy (defined as: A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design)?

I thought that was called a democracy.

monkeyspunk 5 years, 10 months ago

@some_dude

How bout them Hawkeyes!?

Thanks for the book suggestion, might pick it up for my Republican brother.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

I would think I put enough "paranoid" qualifiers in there, Satirical, to show that such was not my intent, at least not at a personal level. If you're trying to bait me, you should try to be more subtle. ;)

But yes, at least two of the options are "conspiracy" or "correct." Personally, I think "correct" is pretty much off the table for a lot of it. I also believe there are probably more options.

On the other hand, I might still have an article someone forwarded me from awhile back that was written by an ex-PR man for a large insurance company, admitting that they were the ones during the Clinton years providing the conservative media with their talking points on the evils of health care reform. Would you like me to link it for you?

georgiahawk 5 years, 10 months ago

Conspiracy? That word always conjures up a lot of baggage that makes anyone using the word seem delusional. Having said that, anyone that believes there is not a concerted effort to bring Obama down is ignorant of what is going on. Does it rise to the level of conspiracy? I don't know! There is however a "conspiracy syndrome" in which you have the same results and earmarks of a conspiracy, so what is the difference? In Georgia, where I live, there is a lot of racial prejudice that is still alive and well. Before the election it was held in check, unless you were considered someone trustworthy, then there was no checking, it was in your face. Now that the beck/Hannity/Limbaugh voices have become the prevalent conservative voices, racism has blossomed in the South. It is no longer veiled, it has risen and it is ugly. I keep my opinions to myself down here because I know that they are not above cross burning or worse. I know that in white Lawrence, you all know more about this than me, so have fun with the facts.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

Never heard of it, maybe I'll look.

Love to stay and play longer, but for now I gotta go get my stitches taken out from surgery. Satirical, if you'd like me to link the article just let me know and I'll check later in the afternoon or evening.

beatrice 5 years, 10 months ago

He didn't just come out and talk about this on his own, rather he was asked and he responded. Hillary is the one who originally spoke of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Bill, being a man of character who stands by his woman and her ideas, he just had to support this notion. As a good, married man, he is just extending the loving support he has for his wife.

(Yes, the above was written tongue-in-cheek. Instead of conspiracy, why don't we call it what it really is -- politics. It happens on both sides of the aisle.)

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

jonas_opines… “If you're trying to bait me, you should try to be more subtle. ;)”

But that wouldn’t be any fun ; ) Actually, I wasn’t exactly sure the point you were making.


“admitting that they were the ones during the Clinton years providing the conservative media with their talking points on the evils of health care reform.” – jonas_opines

Simply because the arguments or “talking points” come from someone with a vested interest doesn’t invalidate the logic (or lack thereof) of said argument. It also doesn’t prove any kind of a sinister design.

“Would you like me to link it for you?” – jonas_opines

No thanks, I believe you, I just don’t think it really matters.

“Love to stay and play longer, but for now I gotta go get my stitches taken out from surgery.” - jonas_opines

It’s always some excuse with you. Couldn’t you come up with something more original next time? : )

BigPrune 5 years, 10 months ago

It's all where you place the comma Mr. Clinton. Point the finger while talking "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky." A very crafty and lawyerly thing to do. Lawyers don't like to use a comma anywhere because something can get misconstrued and have a totally different meaning.

In the above quote, Clinton must've been speaking to Monica Lewinsky about his wife Hillary. The press release had the comma in it (when he was trying to be completely clear on the matter).

Who was conspiring whom?

Stuart Evans 5 years, 10 months ago

deathpenaltyliberal (Anonymous) says… Besides, it's Republicans who are the freaks, see Rep. Mark Foley.


actually, these are some of Pelosi's constituents. who are the real freaks?

http://clog.dailycal.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ohberkeley.jpg

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

jonas_opines...

Oops. I forgot to say "Good luck" with the stitches, etc.

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Tom...

But Fox News refused to cover when the KKK was recently engaged in voter intimidation. They also, unlike the other credible media outlets, refused to talk about the Bush Administration refusal to prosecute them. Where was Fox News when this story was breaking...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BemSmTNDxU

somedude20 5 years, 10 months ago

(sung to inner circle's bad boys) mad liberal mad liberal what cha gonna do what cha gonna when the vast right-wing conspiracy comes for you

feeble 5 years, 10 months ago

I find it interesting how the conservative posters point to the Lewinsky mess and ignore Vince Foster and Kathleen Willey.

Let's put this into context. The right is more than happy to spend millions of tax payer dollars to find out if a president lied about a blowjob, but could care less if a president lied about weapons of mass destruction as the pretext for a war which costs the taxpayer billions.

It is this inconsistency which demonstrates, definitely, that the GOP could give a fig for fiscal conservatism, even though that ideal is supposed to be a central pillar of their party. The GOP is truly the party of Bomb and Spend.

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

feeble...

So you think perjury is okay as long as the POTUS does it, or just if it involves a (D)?

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Correction to my post at 2:10

Replace “refused” with “was one of the few” Replace “KKK” with “Black Panthers” And replace “Bush Administration” with “Obama Administration”

Sorry if there was any confusion there…

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Tom.... "Unless I'm missing something??"

Only why there wasn't more public outrage about this, and why the "evil" Fox News was one of the few media outlets reporting on something that should concern everyone, regardless of political party.

Other than that, you got it : )

igby 5 years, 10 months ago

Wonder when and where Bill, heard this rumor!

No one in the oval office could talk with their mouth full! Lol.

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Also, why aren't we talking about Obama the warmonger re: his contingency options to attack Iran? When it was revealed Bush had similar contingency options that is all I heard from the left.

feeble 5 years, 10 months ago

Satirical says… feeble… So you think perjury is okay as long as the POTUS does it, or just if it involves a (D)? ========================= Satirical, thanks for putting words in my mouth. Please try to be less intellectually dishonest, I know you are capable.

If you couldn't tell from my comments about wmd's, I'm not for deception or perjury by ANY president.

Of course, given your above comment, this point is lost on you.

I simply find it laughable that the Republicans are willing to spend 6.2 million in taxpayer dollars chasing a semen stain. The prudes seem obsessed with prurient proof. If perjury were truly the paramount profanation, perhaps our profligate 43rd president's profuse prevarications would be treated as more than peccadilloes.

And Tom, thanks for proving my point on Vince Foster. Congratulations on being a certified loon.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

Conspiracy may be the correct word?

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Home Loan Scandal http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  2. The Bush/Cheney Home Loan Scandal http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  3. What did Bush and Henry Paulson do with the bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

  4. Why did GW Bush Lie About Social Security?( This would cost taxpayers $4 trillion and wreck the economy) http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html

  5. Reagan/Bush Iran-Contra Secret Weapons Deal

  6. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/irancontra/irancon.html
  7. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html

  8. Reagan/Bush - Bush/Cheney Weapons Deals

  9. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm
  10. http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

  11. Nixon Watergate Spy Scandal http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/index.html

  12. Bush/Cheney PNAC foreign policy document, "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

  13. $9 Billion Lost In Iraq http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml

  14. Thousands of Weapons Lost In Iraq May be Going To Taliban http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/11/AR2009021103281_pf.html

For the new administration it is about how Bush/Cheney wrecked the economy. It is about how Bush/Cheney and their worshippers being idiots trying to blame Obama for the economy After Bush/Cheney managed to put 8 million people out of work.

This is about the RINO party that took over the republican party and wrecking the good republican name. This RINO party is neither fiscally responsible nor socially responsible. RINO's have taken over our city,state and federal governments. RINO's represent Reaganomics = Wreckanomics by way of tax favors, war and financial scandals.

It's about the NEW RINO party that first entered the scene in 1980 which has cost the nation 15-20 million USA jobs.

Martini_Boy 5 years, 10 months ago

As usual it's got NOTHING to do with what anyone ever does while they're in office. It's only about fanatics that want to bring innocent people down....

Shut up Billy Bob

Satirical 5 years, 10 months ago

Feeble… I didn’t put any words in your mouth, I asked a question. The subtle clue was the question mark at the end…

You are the one being dishonest. You implicitly claim the right wasted taxpayer money on a frivolous matter. So again, do you think perjury is a frivolous matter? Also, you are dishonest in claiming Bush lied, when he came to the same conclusion as the democrats when looking at the same evidence.

“If you couldn't tell from my comments about wmd's, I'm not for deception or perjury by ANY president.” - feeble

Except you are apparently willing to make light of perjury, and mock those who investigate it.

“The prudes seem obsessed with prurient proof.” - feeble

They had to prove the sexual relations in order to prove the perjury (which it was). Since he was guilty, wasn't the "obsesion" justified? I can see why you are a liberal if you have problems with people who are "obsessed" about the truth.

“If perjury were truly the paramount profanation, perhaps our profligate 43rd president's profuse prevarications would be treated as more than peccadilloes.” – feeble

In attempting awesome alliteration you amazingly made an __ out of yourself. You might want to re-read what you wrote or get a dictionary, because Clinton's lies were treated as more than peccadilloes by the right. It was the left who want to treat it as a mere personal flaw, totally ignoring the fact he lied to the public and committed perjury, for which he was impeached.

So, lets do the math again. Clinton did lie, but you “find it laughable” to investigate it. Bush didn’t lie, yet you and the rest of the left wing wackos have no problems claiming he did to push your liberal agenda. Wow, you are 0 out of 2.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

Facists Neoconservatives aka RINO’s still control the former republican party. Which is to say “getting in the way” is their favorite tool. The only thing that changed is Bush and Cheney although still wandering about fear mongering.

The facist neoconservative aka RINO’s fears are fairly substantial which is why they spend so much time and money burying the rest of us with their fear mongering. That same facists neoconservative RINO party fear a few things which the majority of americans need to TAKE BACK namely a new strong economy and 15 million new jobs.

Keep in mind a prospering america can overcome fear mongering.

What is the opposing facists neoconservative RINO party afraid of: * No more wars

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • HR 676 National Health Insurance for All

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • New Industry thus new jobs thus new wealth for the USA

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Green Collar Industries which produce jobs that cannot be outsourced

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Being exposed as the party manipulating the lower middle class,middle class and upper middle class to fund increasing wealth to the upper 1%.

*A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Losing of tax incentives/tax breaks for the wealthy that actually create tax increases for entire spectrum of the middleclass thus constantly reducing the wealth of the middleclass.

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans

  • Clean air, clean water, clean energy and healthy green space scattered throughout america.

  • A dramatically improved quality of life for all americans will put keep the facists neoconservative party at bay for some time.

Expect lies, distorted info & big buck questionable commercials from the repub party aka character assassinations to destroy any movement toward repairing the damage from wreckanomomics aka 30 years of Reaganomics.

The republican party is living in fear that the USA may bounce back after 8 years of their war mongering bank fraud economics. The fear is if the USA quality of life improves dramatically they are out of politics for a very long time.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

The RINO's fear health care for all with gusto because they know this would attract new industry thus millions of jobs putting the Nations economy back on track. WE know RINO's are experts at wrecking economies which does deserve a Grand Jury investigation.

The RINO greatest fear:

What do they fear? National Health Insurance HR 676 that contains costs and saves $350,000,000,000 annually plus would cover every person for all necessary medical care including: prescription drugs hospital, surgical outpatient services primary and preventive care emergency services dental, mental health home health physical therapy rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) vision care hearing services including hearing aids chiropractic durable medical equipment palliative care long term cancer care.

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs.

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

satirical: "Simply because the arguments or “talking points” come from someone with a vested interest doesn’t invalidate the logic (or lack thereof) of said argument. It also doesn’t prove any kind of a sinister design."

Agreed. I would merely say that it does provide a foundation for a variety of thinking minds to make conclusions along the continuum, some of which may be different from your own.

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

Don't forget Merrill, the senate finance committee version of the health care bill would send you to prison for a year if you failed to buy health insurance for yourself. It's no wonder they want to pass these things without anyone reading them. It's nonsense like this that makes the idea so unpopular, and growing more so by the day.

To be fair, the bill would only fine and imprison those the government felt could afford to buy health insurance, and simply chose not to, but where does the constitution say the federal government can force me to buy anything regardless of how much money I have?

If you want to "...attract new industry thus millions of jobs putting the Nations economy back on track" (who doesn't?) instead of another massive entitlement program our country cannot afford, how about just pass the FairTax?

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

"I don't see why everyone is picking a side here, liberals or conservatives."

Ummmm. . . . are you new here? I thought I've seen you around.

feeble 5 years, 10 months ago

Satirical, you sadden me with your savage and salacious slurs. I'll try and remain sanguine as I address your silly summation.

Your partisanship blinds you to the idea that I find the lack of investigation wrong, not the investigation itself.

To clarify,I find it laughable that the right is willing to spend millions investigating perjury claims stemming from a consensual sexual encounter and unwilling to investigate a president who openly and flagrantly lied to us about WMDs.

Of course, this should come as no surprise. Look how Gingrich treated his marriage, or McCain's treatment of his first wife, or Enzi or Sanford. The Right could care less about the sexual conduct of our elected leaders, unless they can use that conduct to score some political points. For the right, the Starr investiagation wasn't about a sexual encounter in the Oval Office, or even perjury before a Grand Jury, it was about embarrassing a president and his party.

Regarding your claim that Bush was only an unwitting dupe and not a knowing liar by the WMD evidence, only the most naive and trusting lapdog of a republican would believe that Bush was ignorant of his own deception. A casual review of the Plame/Wilson affair, the Manning memo on Bush and Blair's Jan 2003 summit, or the Iraq Survey Group report will confirm Bush's knowledge of the duplicity.

Thank you for demonstrating that you are a hopeless partisan, blinded by ideology, and an intellectually dishonest poster to boot. I look forward to see how you twist my post to your own self serving needs. Perhaps you could quote me out of context, presuppose arguments I haven't made or invent some new strawmen to attack me with?

Jim Phillips 5 years, 10 months ago

"Regarding your claim that Bush was only an unwitting dupe and not a knowing liar by the WMD evidence, only the most naive and trusting lapdog of a republican would believe that Bush was ignorant of his own deception."

Would that also extend to then President Clinton and a myriad of Democratic leaders who made the same claims in the mid to late 1990s?

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 10 months ago

Clinton just can't keep his face out of the news. Vast right wing conspiracy, please Bill put the pipe down!

Jim Phillips 5 years, 10 months ago

Yep! Four days of bombing really crippled the infrastructure and scared the bejeezes out of Saddam. Your Clinton good/ Bush bad analogy is weak, at best and certainly laughable.

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

Tom - That would be Bill please put down the "cigar."

jonas_opines 5 years, 10 months ago

beerguy (Anonymous) says…

"So commenting on one article automatically makes me a liberal or conservative."

Of course, of course. Often, they make you a conservative to one person and a liberal to another, it's pretty neat!

"Sounds like an analogy to a shot gun wedding."

? Not sure I followed that one but it certainly Sounds amusing.

llama726 5 years, 10 months ago

Snap et. al.,

Regarding this quote:

"In Bill-speak “vast right-wing conspiracy” = “everyone on the starboard side of Lenin”."

Please back up, using concrete statistics and policies, the reasons you find Bill Clinton to be a communist. Please cite every industry now wholly owned by the government as a result of Clinton's presidency, as well as every case where the government under Clinton took on private land to redistribute it among other private citizens.

puddleglum 5 years, 10 months ago

wow! tom tom into conspiracy?

WOW WOW!

liberal news media..WOW!

nascar ...WOW!

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 10 months ago

How is it the right has the conspiracy to their agenda? When the parties are truly one, and the same. Just arguing over anything to gain favor for their next election. When Republicrats vote on something, The Demicans are against it. The Demicans get into power, and they vote in the same crap as the Republicrats had, and know the Republicrates are against it even though they had voted for the exact same crap a few months before. Stimulus bills, both parties voted for them at different times.If you are registered in either party you should not be able to run for public office ever again. Then we might have a chance to clean out and clean up our government

danemary 5 years, 10 months ago

WELL WHO PULLED YOUR ZIPPER DOWN BILL! GEZ YOU LOOK LIKE BIDEN!

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

Despite inflicting considerable physical damage, Clinton's bombing of Iraq failed to accomplish the stated objectives. Iraq remained defiant and did not comply with the UN security counsel resolutions. Just another example of the limits of air power. There always comes a point where recalcitrant / rouge states will not be compelled unless faced by boots on the ground. Sad but true.

fallingwhilereading 5 years, 10 months ago

Demicans, and Republicrats You are all one in the same.

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

One would think if a person has to scroll down to see an entire post, at least one factual, salient point point would have been discovered somewhere amidst even the most inane and incoherent ravings. Alas, I'm left searching in vain again. I feel sorry for the folks who feel the larger the post they make, the more relevant their point must be. May the truth someday set them free from the crippling effects of their sickeningly partisan palsy. A mind is such a terrible thing to waste.

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

People who watch Fox are the in the majority, and that number is growing. 8th grade math says all those numbers cannot just be people who describe themselves as conservatives, for if they are, self-described conservatives would be the majority in this country. Perhaps they are?

When one refers to the "main stream media" that must mean they are talking about FNC. The other media outlets now fall short of that description, and those numbers have been and continue to shrink. Their influence over the national dialog becomes more shrill and less relevant by the day. Remind you of anyone?

tbaker 5 years, 10 months ago

Not to worry Tom.

Elections have consequences, as we shall soon see again. The growing majority of Americans see this "change" for what it is and will react accordingly the next time they have a ballot in front of them. The President has abandoned the centrist message he campaigned on, and it's gonna cost him.

bondmen 5 years, 10 months ago

We must pay close attention to his every word, taking them to heart. After all, he is an impeachable source!

Bill's an ex pert on "American Vice: Mapping the 7 Deadly Sins." Google it.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 10 months ago

I see that Bill's old fund-raiser friend Norman Hsu is going to the Cross Bar Hotel for 24 years. That's got to be a downer.

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