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S.C. voters surprised by ‘You lie’ outburst

September 11, 2009

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— Rep. Joe Wilson is known as a mild-mannered congressman fond of making short speeches. His shortest got the most attention.

“You lie!” Wilson blurted out during President Barack Obama’s health care address to a joint session Wednesday night, an outburst that made some supporters shudder even as others believed it could give Wilson a political boost in his conservative hometown.

“He’s the only one who has guts in that whole place. He’ll get re-elected in a landslide,” said John Roper, an insurance agent, as he sat among patrons at a diner near Columbia.

Still, Southern sensibilities reign in the district the 62-year-old has represented for the past eight years. Added Roper, “He probably shouldn’t have said it in that context.”

Wilson apologized to the White House soon after the speech and again Thursday, but did not back away from the issue that prompted his outburst. “People who have come to our country and violated laws, we should not be providing full health care services,” he said.

The uproar may not be over, despite Obama having accepted Wilson’s apology. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said he favors a resolution of public disapproval if Wilson doesn’t apologize to the House by Tuesday.

Clyburn, whose district adjoins Wilson’s, said he was not surprised by the outburst: “I think that’s indicative of the combativeness he displays all the time when it comes to politics.”

Wilson told WIS-TV “by calling the president right away following the speech, I feel that covers the issue the apology called for, and the response was accepted, and I’m now grateful we can get on to the issue itself.”

Wilson’s shout came after Obama said extending health care to all Americans who seek it would not mean insuring illegal immigrants.

The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn’t get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there aren’t sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded.

Wilson, who served as a military attorney, retired as a colonel in the South Carolina National Guard in 2003 after 31 years. His four sons also have served in the military, something mentioned repeatedly at Wilson’s public appearances in this military-friendly state. For some, that background makes the outburst against the nation’s commander in chief even more striking.

“I thought it was disgraceful,” said the Rev. Kevin Roberts, who said he doesn’t support Wilson. “I don’t begrudge him his feeling. But I think there’s a way to communicate that and a way not to, and I think it’s shameful. I expect more decorum and respect for the office.”

But Wilson’s shout is giving a financial boost to his Democratic opponent, Rob Miller, who is challenging the incumbent in 2010. In the first 24 hours after Wilson’s outburst, Miller’s campaign coffers swelled by $500,000, according to Jessica Santillo of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The contribution, she said, came in from 14,000 individual contributions. It’s not clear whether the people who made the donations live in South Carolina.

Comments

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

SC voters were surprised? Why?

"Flashback: Rep. Wilson Also Had To Apologize After Attacking Strom Thurmond's Illegitimate Daughter"

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/you-lie-not-the-first-time-rep-wilsons-emotions-got-the-best-of-him.php

"But the way Obama reacted was hilarious—he was caught completely off guard. "

Um, yes he was. That's because this type of childish outburst has never happened before in our country.

Nice precedent to set, republicans.

sfjayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

It is really sad watching many republicans rally around their new leader mr Wilson. Yes, it is obvious that this guy would fire up the non-thinking, hate obama at all costs, redneck fringe of the party. The problem is that this guy (like the palin, rush etc) totally turns off any moderate of the party and most, if not all, independents.

When will the republican party wake up and realize that the current path that they are on leads to complete irrelevance? More than ever, our country needs leaders with ideas not turrets.

mickeyrat 5 years, 7 months ago

It's hysterical and ironic: after decades of rhetoric aimed toward painting the Democratic Party as a collection of lunatics (all the usual post-60's noise: tree-huggers, dope fiends, bra-burning feminazis, yadda yadda), the Republican Party seems to have totally lost its marbles.

I feel sorry for thinking, rational conservatives. Their voice seems to be lost in the noise.

grammaddy 5 years, 7 months ago

That was totally disrespectful! I hope he is censured and his political career is ruined. We shouldn't be surprised by his racist a$$ though. As a state legislaor, he was one of only 7 who voted to keep the Dixie Rebel flag flying high.He also belongs to some pretty racist organizations. I feel sorry for the people of South Carolina.

Jim Williamson 5 years, 7 months ago

"A breach of decorum, yes. But the way Obama reacted was hilarious—he was caught completely off guard."

Yeah, but I wish I could be that cool when caught off-guard. I'd have thrown the nearest heavy object in that huckleberry's direction and probably beaned an innocent by-sitter..

Alia Ahmed 5 years, 7 months ago

be3 (Anonymous) says… The dumbocrats are all upset over this because the truth hurts. hahahahahahahahahaha.

This comment simply serves the reinforce mickeyrat's statement above "I feel sorry for thinking, rational conservatives. Their voice seems to be lost in the noise."

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

"But the way Obama reacted was hilarious—he was caught completely off guard."

I think there have been a number of times in the last year that moderates and liberals have been caught completely off guard by how much the right (not conservatives, the right) have been willing to debase themselves and behave like spoiled little children. The examples of adults throwing the worst of temper tantrums have become too numerous to count. If some children were behaving the way these supposedly mature adults have been they'd be spanked or grounded.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 7 months ago

We have so many times what is in the health bill, that no abortion and no illegal immigrants will be covered. That is not difficult to understand. Proper identification is another matter altogether. I know you have to have a birth certificate and social security card to receive any services from SRS. And you have to show a picture ID every time you get a medical service. If you don't understand that by now, it is a matter of sheer pigheadedness. I am glad I voted for President Obama and totally support him.

Jim Fisher 5 years, 7 months ago

My apologies for misquoting a bad riddle about lawyers, but: How can you tell when a politician is lying?

Jimo 5 years, 7 months ago

I'm not certain why SC voters would be surprised. Those who have known the guy for decades back to his youth have trouble using terms more favorable than "idiot."

The question is: will the House expel him? Given that Democrat equals "weak," I suspect not.

Here, though, is where contributions to his opponent can go: http://www.actblue.com/page/kossacks4miller As you would suspect, his less gung-ho opponent is an actual veteran, having served two tours in Iraq.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

We're not allowed to talk about the previous administration. It has no impact on this administration, according to lots of conservative sources. It's time for Conservatives (and the fake ones, like right-thinker) to take ownership, and not blame the previous administration.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

/and you won't be able to find a hysterical anti-Bush quote in my entire comment history, no matter how far back you look. There might have been one or two in the Reader's Reaction, around 2001-2002, but I grew up after that. Sad that some never do.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

L1: Difference between little children and old men, as I look at it. We look at the protests for the war, the evil corporations, all that crap, generally the piss-poor behavior seemed like college students and kids. These are older people who society says are supposed to be more mature. At least, that's the difference that I see.

Can you find a comparable instance to this, someone in the congress just up and blurting out something out of turn?

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"I think of the past eight years and just chuckle. Get real, man. The left, namely the far-left was in such a hateful, unhinged state of uncontrollable hysterics when Bush was in office it was unfrikkingbelievable."

Um, weren't you the guy who was on the "But Bush" bandwagon? Saying that invoking the previous admin was off limits?

Damn, but you can see why you're not taken seriously, right, thinker?

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

How many on here are aware that ol' Joe "the heckler" Wilson has had government run healthcare via Tricare for, oh, about 31 years.

Wow!

sfjayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

Consumer,

The last election proves the point. Not to mention common sense.

Lets ask the forum - hey independents & moderates out there, do you like palin and rush? Do you feel alienated by the republican party? What are your feelings about Mr Wilson's turrets moment?

I myself am a recovering republican - who left the party when it was hijacked by 'culture warriors' and the Palin, Wilson, Rush types. I am now a registered independent. That is a fact.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

haha. Thanks for those, L1.

I'll amend previous comments to this: this is people's perspectives on events, perspectives control reality. Those two events, I don't know if a whole lot of people even saw or heard of them. I know I hadn't, and do tend to run across this stuff eventually. This was just right out in the open, on a nationalized TV address with lots and lots of viewers. People are going to notice, in great numbers.

It just appears, whether as the product of reality, media coverage, or whatever, that it is compounding and escalating per year, and per admin, over the last few decades. From Reagan, to Bush, to Clinton, to Bush, to Obama, it keeps getting more and more out in the open, more and more out there, and more and more bizarre.

But that's my perspective, and limited in that fashion. Certainly I see no great point in spending too much time arguing about it.

Jimo 5 years, 7 months ago

sfjayhawk - what's most disturbing is that the GOP needs independent and moderate votes to win yet seem determined to push them ever further away.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

sfjayhawk: My step-dad was a pretty conservative registered Republican, and he voted against them this last election too, for those reasons and the fact that they spend money like nothing now as well. I don't know if he voted for Obama (something tells me he didn't), but he certainly didn't vote for McCain.

My wife's parents are the same, and they're crazy conservatives. But they Are conservatives, not rightists. I think they both voted Libertarian.

beatrice 5 years, 7 months ago

The smaller the Republican base gets, the louder their whining becomes. I wonder, which party will come along to replace them as a major political party?

Liberty, of course Obama was caught off guard. He was giving a speech to Congress and the American public. He shouldn't have been on his guard. It wasn't a debate.

sfjayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

Jimo/Jonas,

My dad was a life long conservative that Bush Co ran out of the party. He has since registered independent. This is not to say that he likes Obama (he does not) but he refuses to be counted in the same group as Palin, Rush, Wilson etc, and if he was forced to choose, he would take the democrats over these nincompoops.

The sad part is that to be healthy, we need a strong, sane and smart republican party. The opposite of what we have today.

meggers 5 years, 7 months ago

I find it sadly ironic that many of the people getting behind Wilson after he disrepected the President are the same people who wildly waved their flags and labled those of us who disagreed with Bush as unpatriotic. I recall hearing the words anti-American, traitor, and terrorist sympathizer used more than a few times by those folks. Not to mention, all of the talk about how "a true American stands behind their president". Hypocrites.

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Any More, by John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest In the back of a dirty book store, A plastic flag, with gum on the back, Fell out on the floor. Well, I picked it up and I ran outside Slapped it on my window shield, And if I could see old Betsy Ross I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus: But your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more. They're already overcrowded From your dirty little war. Now Jesus don't like killin' No matter what the reason's for, And your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning And the cashier he said to me, "If you join the Christmas club We'll give you ten of them flags for free." Well, I didn't mess around a bit I took him up on what he said. And I stuck them stickers all over my car And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled With flags I couldn't see. So, I ran the car upside a curb And right into a tree. By the time they got a doctor down I was already dead. And I'll never understand why the man Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more. We're already overcrowded From your dirty little war. Now Jesus don't like killin' No matter what the reason's for, And your flag decal won't get you Into Heaven any more."

Shane Garrett 5 years, 7 months ago

I find Rush a bit over the top. However, his accuracy rating is around 90%. Can't stand O'Riely. There are many parts of both parties that are just plain dumb. Barnie Franks, Pelosi and Reid are jokes with their wacked out power trips. Like Rush I find the party out of power usually acts out the most. But remember it is only 554 people who make policy. So if those in power want and I mean truely want universal health care in America, then it will come about. I think the people in Washington never read the details of the policies they are trying to pass into legislation. And as we all know the devil is in the details. Mr. Wilson has stated that the amendments, as he read them, included health care for illegals. So, if the President was wrong, then the Presidents statement was a lie. Does anyone not remember the history of Congress; that is the place for personal conflicts over ideas and the blood of this country should be spilled. Not in the streets.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

"For anyone to in any shape, form or fashion imply we have a strong, even barely functioning Democratic Party, well, simply blows my mind."

And if you could point to the instance where anyone suggested that other than you. . . . well you'd be something other than the forum joke, so business as usual.

Jimo 5 years, 7 months ago

"I find Rush a bit over the top. However, his accuracy rating is around 90%."

ROFL

Jimo 5 years, 7 months ago

Solomon: "immoderate behavior"

What's the purpose of inventing a phrase that is so broad that it conceivably includes failure to applaud? I guess it serves only to provide an excuse for not condemning the inexcusable. And, I suppose, to indict the integrity of those who would use the phrase to attempt that end.

Solomon, you're too old to be a College Republican. Grow up. Tell Limbaugh to shut up. In short, grow some xxx!

remember_username 5 years, 7 months ago

sfjayhawk - sorry but your question asking "independents" or "moderates" about their feelings of Rush or Palin is useless. If you don't support Rush or Palin then you are attacked by right wing fascists as a left wing lunatic, and vice versa, if you do support them. True "moderates" or self styled "independents" apparently do not blog or post comments. In fact, I think they qualify as endangered species. Rarely seen, they are believed to be shy creatures who are instantly tagged and grouped as one of the two political groups the instant they speak. Myself, I believe they are mythical beings invented by both the media and politicians as a central voting block worth fighting over.

I used to think I was a moderate because watching either FOX or MSNBC for any length of time made me wish for a rain of large asteroids. But over the last year I've found Nancy_boy, consumer_1, Palin, and Rush etc. to be very idiotic. So I guess I'm a leftist lunatic. Well, with no choice I will have to stand tall with the rest of my socialist brethren and hope they will forgive me for crossing those picket lines in my youth and preferring Reagen over Carter.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 7 months ago

Only liberals or closet liberals would have ever voted for the likes of Obama and if a conservative did vote for him they are are now questioning their mental state and should seek some help. Obama WAS lying because his lips were moving. Wilson should have used better judgment but his love for his country got the best of him.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't hate you at all, right-thinker. Hating you would imply that you are relevant enough to be worth it. The only emotion I ever have for you is contempt. There was some pity for awhile, but that got burned out of me a long time ago.

ivalueamerica 5 years, 7 months ago

jonas_opines (Anonymous) says… I don't hate you at all, right-thinker. Hating you would imply that you are relevant enough to be worth it. The only emotion I ever have for you is contempt. There was some pity for awhile, but that got burned out of me a long time ago.


My vote for best post of the day

tkeagleblog 5 years, 7 months ago

Has anyone seen the video of the Acorn employee's yet?

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

just come guy

Blue: I saw that a day or two ago, but I didn't bring it up lest I be accused of meaningless distraction from Obama's many failures (you're probably safe, not being a (cough) committed leftist such as myself)

That one really takes the cake though. Didn't know his mic was on, bragging about his mistress's "eye-patch" underwear. And he even had the gall to say he was "making love" to his lobbyist mistress. D'oh!!

quik 5 years, 7 months ago

"Why has the Democratic Party become so arrogantly detached from ordinary Americans? Though they claim to speak for the poor and dispossessed, Democrats have increasingly become the party of an upper-middle-class professional elite, top-heavy with journalists, academics and lawyers (one reason for the hypocritical absence of tort reform in the healthcare bills). Weirdly, given their worship of highly individualistic, secularized self-actualization, such professionals are as a whole amazingly credulous these days about big-government solutions to every social problem. They see no danger in expanding government authority and intrusive, wasteful bureaucracy. This is, I submit, a stunning turn away from the anti-authority and anti-establishment principles of authentic 1960s leftism."

This is from democratic blogger Camile Paglia. She is just as critical, if not more so, of the right. To me, what's going on with the Obama administration bares no resemblance to the ideals from the 60's. MLK would have been appalled to see black panthers with night sticks outside of polling places. RFK would be going after ACORN will all he had. What is happening today really betrays the vision that these great people had.

jimmyjms 5 years, 7 months ago

"Wilson should have used better judgment but his love for his country got the best of him."

Love of country? Are you stupid or high, catfish? Read the thread - this guy demonizes gov't run healthcare while taking advantage of it for himself, and then votes against expanded healthcare for vets....so what are you talking about?

Aisling 5 years, 7 months ago

don't hate you at all, right-thinker. Hating you would imply that you are relevant enough to be worth it. The only emotion I ever have for you is contempt. There was some pity for awhile, but that got burned out of me a long time ago.

jonas--I love you!

feeble 5 years, 7 months ago

The awesome thing about Rep. Wilson is that as a retired military officer, he has benefited from TRICARE for almost all of his life, as has is wife and children (many of whom are also now members of the armed forces).

In fact, Rep. Wilson has gone on record about how awesome and efficient and cost-effective TRICARE is, and how the program is a real boon to our country and armed forces.

Of course, TRICARE is government-run health insurance, available to all members of the armed forces, as an "opt in" plan. So, it seems government-run health care is just fine for Joe Wilson, but Socialism for the rest of us.

Source: Newsweek http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/09/10/joe-wilson-healthcare-hypocrite.aspx

In other news, I hear Obama's a liar, because even though his plan explicitly denies benefits to illegal immigrants, they still have access to aspirin. In fact, they can go down to a Walgreens or Target RIGHT NOW and buy aspirin, with their own money!

Because Obama's plan doesn't make us present our SS# and birth Certificates when you buy Aspirin, Illegals are able to buy up all our Aspirin.

Now, there won't be any left we we need relief from common aches, pains, headaches or the flu! I don't know about the rest of you commies, but I'm stocking up on aspirin asap. maybe from a pharmacy in Canada or Mexico so I can get a good deal on buying in bulk. /sarcasm

JayCat_67 5 years, 7 months ago

At least Mr. Wilson kept his shoes on...

KS 5 years, 7 months ago

Wilson has raised over $200,000 since the incident, per USA Today.

puddleglum 5 years, 7 months ago

don't hate you at all, right-thinker. Hating you would imply that you are relevant enough to be worth it. The only emotion I ever have for you is contempt. There was some pity for awhile, but that got burned out of me a long time ago.

jonas—I love you!

this is worth repasting. thanks jonas

puddleglum 5 years, 7 months ago

btw-I kinda feel sorry for all tea baggers, birthers, astroturfers, death panels, and now congress-children.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 7 months ago

People have reacted by contributing over $200,000 to Wilson's re-election campaign fund. Americans with a spine are not upset at all with Mr. Wilson even if he used poor judgment, he spoke from his heart what we all know to be true. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Nancy.

Satirical 5 years, 7 months ago

We need to be like the rest of the civilized world and start throwing shoes at people!

Now that is what I call democracy in action!

oldvet 5 years, 7 months ago

Wilson may have been out of order, but someone in that chamber had to tell the truth and it sure wasn't the Nitwit at the podium...

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

Pssshhh. He could have screamed "You want to stir-fry babies!" and he would have gotten donations for it.

Alia Ahmed 5 years, 7 months ago

jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

People have reacted by contributing over $200,000 to Wilson's re-election campaign fund. Americans with a spine are not upset at all with Mr. Wilson even if he used poor judgment, he spoke from his heart what we all know to be true. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Nancy.

Well, catfish, Wilson's opponent has received over $775,000 in contributions since Wilson's little tirade. So clearly more Americans think Wilson was grossly out of line for his behavior and his falsehoods. Not only that, non-partisan organizations have agreed President Obama was telling the truth and Wilson is lying.

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

Alia, since those suggest that, they can't be non-partisan, because Obama has to be a liar, and the anti-Christ, practically Hitler, gonna enact a socialist revolution, gonna take all of our rights away, etc.

feeble 5 years, 7 months ago

There's a nice correlation between dollars given to Wilson v Miller and a new snap poll conducted by the AARP:

http://www.aarp.org/research/surveys/care/health/hcreform/articles/pres_speech.html

terrapin2 5 years, 7 months ago

The point should not be about the outburst itself so much as the fact that he made a complete fool of himself with incorrect information. When people called Bush a liar, they were right. He lied about WMD's, Hussein's role in 911, etc... Yet still no one in congress disrespected him during any speech he gave by heckling him like a drunk in a comedy club. His inability to speak spoke for itself I guess. Wilson is a racist idiot. If you want to get behind him, go right ahead. You can be an idiot too. If you can read, you know the President was telling the truth. Quit listening to people like Hannity who are hurting America by completely misrepresenting what Obama says and what is in the bill itself. 10 minutes after the speech, Hannity misquoted it and used it against him just for the sake of causing trouble. Ah yes, the leader of the idiots. FIX News should be called a "fake" news channel like comedy central.

terrapin2 5 years, 7 months ago

Wow-You just proved my point. Idiots following idiots. Exactly when did we start referring to our Presidents by their middle name? And what does it have to do with anything? You (Tom) are the most paranoid schizo republican I have ever come across. You have been completely brain washed. Keep on watching FIX news so you can keep up an arsenal of false, inflammatory information. It's good for a laugh at least.

Corey Williams 5 years, 7 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Obama is a liar." "Obama lied that night." "Obama is not fit to be Commander in Chief, IMHO." "Obama is a liar, a catastrophe and a joke. He is a radical socialist fraud and he will take us down the crapper if not stopped. "

Tom Shewmon, everybody! The star clown of these award winning message boards. Lead commentator on that darn old "liberal" media. Let's give it up for the right wing fringe star, Tom Shewmon!

Tonight though, I must sadly admit, there is some grave news. You see, although Tom has been milking the phrase, "Bush Derangement Syndrome" (better known as BDS) for some time now, he himself has fallen prey to ODS. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Tom Shewmon has Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Alas, there is no known cure. This illness is far greater than H1N1 (formerly known as swine flu) since it instills a belief that one man can bring about socialism in this market driven, capitalistic society. The belief that one man can bring this great nation of ours to ruin. The belief that one man can end over 200 years of patriotic freedom.

He is not alone in the suffering of this debilitating illness. He is but one of many of the right wing to succomb to this tragic disease, both in this great nation and on these award winning message boards. This sickness leads to a total disrespect for the man who was legally voted into office with more than five times the electoral college votes of Bush in 2004 when Cheney said the results gave him a "mandate".

Although there is tragedy, there is some good news. It is widely believed he will not infect anyone outside of his family and those on these message boards who are already infected with the disease.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all who suffer from this affliction.

StirrrThePot 5 years, 7 months ago

When I was a kid, adults--especially our elected officials--were supposed to be this beacon of knowledge and leadership. They were supposed to be problem solvers, and role models to children, showing us how to properly act in a professional setting.

So much for that.

I wondered at the time I read about this debacle if someone there was twittering, "OMG, he called the Prez a LIAR!!!" To which the reply from another twitter-er "O no he dint!!"

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Wilson is the liar. There is nothing in the House bill about giving free medical care to illegal aliens. He is lying to all the people. Then he tries to call others liars. He hasn't even read the bill, just the stupid lying emails and Rush Limbaugh. I wonder if he could even pass a reading comprehension test. He is either too lazy or too uneducated to have read the bill. Wilson is a liar, liar, liar, liar. And anyone who listens to him is a fool.

KS 5 years, 7 months ago

SC voters may be surprised, but someone likes what he has said. He has now raked in over $750,000 in the last 48 hours. Go Joe! Now we have Joe the Plumber and Joe the Congressman.

terrapin2 5 years, 7 months ago

No- the 750,000 went to his opponent, not Wilson.

KS 5 years, 7 months ago

terrapin2 - Look at the headline on Drudgereport. He says different.

jonas_opines 5 years, 7 months ago

If you look past the brief headline on the Drudge Report and click on the link, what the sourced headline Actually says is this: Joe Wilson gets 750,000 in under 48 hours, Opponent tops 1,000,000.

Funny that Mr. Drudge forgot to include that last part. Unintentional oversight, I'm sure.

pace 5 years, 7 months ago

Unhappily, we think people will find the Jerry Springer show disgusting but many don't. I would assume the right nut behavior would disgust and turn away people. But I am aware that many find it exciting and somehow it touches their sense of powerlessness. It makes me depressed.

Lacy Mohler 5 years, 7 months ago

Over thirty percent of the people on Medicaid in the state of California are undocumented immigrants. They are not supposed to be eligible, but when they apply for medicaid the rule is noone is allowed to ask the applicant his/her resident status.

The Democrats, while saying undocumented immigrants are not eligible, were refusing to explicity detail this in the bill. With Pelosi in there they were going to follow the California lead and backdoor them into health care.

Wilson must have had the desired effect for the GOP, because today the Democrats are talking about illegal immigrants not being able to become part of the exchange and an applicant will have to provide a legal social security number to get into the government health care exchange.

My husband is a 40+ year union employee with three years till retirement and the good thing about the exchange is it takes health care out of collective bargaining. The companies won't be able to threaten the unions with higher premiums or reduced health care--unions can go to the government exchange. Bargaining will be all about the wages, vacations, safety etc.

terrapin2 5 years, 7 months ago

KS- So I hadn't looked up the latest updated numbers. Oh well. My true point is that his opponent is raising a lot more money than him and hopefully Wilson will be voted out.

Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Wilson spoke the truth. Obama lied, many times. And Obama started the fight. He was the agressvor. As President, he labelled others who challenged him on his lies, "liars" that very night. Obama's decorum before Congress was deplorable. Obama was a disgrace to the office of the President. Shame, shame, shame on Obama for debasing the office of the presidency the way he has done since taking office.

bad_dog 5 years, 7 months ago

We're still waiting on Godot to say something objective and/or meaningful.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

Wilson spoke the truth. Obama lied, many times. And Obama started the fight. He was the agressvor. As President, he labelled others who challenged him on his lies, “liars” that very night. Obama's decorum before Congress was deplorable. Obama was a disgrace to the office of the President. Shame, shame, shame on Obama for debasing the office of the presidency the way he has done since taking office.

Wilson is lying to you. There is nothing in this bill or anything proposed that would allow illegal aliens free medical care. You can keep believing the liars, or you can read the bill, assuming you could read that many words without your brain exploding. You believe anyone who opposes Obama, even if they are lying? What a fool.

tomatogrower 5 years, 7 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Wow! The usual lefties like Agnostick and porchie are going to great lengths to defend The Anointed One. Love it! He's a loser. Get used to the fact the next three years will seem like an eternity in hell.

Tom, try defending your new moron god. Wilson lied. Show me where in the bill it says anything about giving free medical care to illegal aliens? Here I'll make it easy for you. Here's the link. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

I'll await your defense, but I won't hold my breathe. I'm sure there are too many pages for you to handle. Instead you believe moronic emails, and moronic pundits, and lying South Carolina representative.

Lacy Mohler 5 years, 7 months ago

The bill stated illegal aliens would not be eligible, but did not require proof of citizenship or legal residency to apply-- as with some states' medicaid procedures and voting registration. At present an appointed position would determine the application procedure not the legislation. Polls show 83% of Democrats, GOP and Independents do not want illegals to be part of the plan so it will probably be written in to require a Social Security number. Get ready for a wave of Social Security fraud.

Also not addressed are couples who come here illegally and have a baby. The baby is a citizen and qualifies, but what about the parents? The bill treats a family as one entity that qualifies, but the parents are illegal. The details get complicated.

lctchr1 5 years, 7 months ago

Agnostick and sfjayhawk, Another wandering "old school" republican looking for a home. Unless Colin Powell runs in 2012, I am writing in "campaign finance reform and term limits". I know it will "waste" my vote, but that is the only thing I can vote for at this point. I was going to vote for McCain, until he added Palin to the ticket. What was he thinking? Watching that speech on Wednesday was disgraceful. Do the republicans realize how horrible they looked?

camper 5 years, 7 months ago

There sure are a lot of strange characters on the Republican fringe these days: Joe Wilson, Joe the Plumber, Joe Six Pack, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and that other guy with a good tan who always looks so glum. They make McCain and Bush look like a breath of fresh air.

sfjayhawk 5 years, 7 months ago

lctchr1, Im with ya. Lets revive the bull moose party without the palins, wilsons, rushes bushes etc of the world.

beatrice 5 years, 7 months ago

Palin / Jindhal in 2012! Keep hope alive!

BigPrune 5 years, 7 months ago

I am surprised at all the hate from the liberal left. They lambasted and cat called Bush at a State of the Union speech, yet there was nothing about their bad decorum in the mainstream media. Just another example of the liberal media propoganda machine. Jossef Goebels is smiling from his grave.

KS 5 years, 7 months ago

Well, Drudge is reporting that he has now received over $1M in about 48 hours. I guess some folks like what he did. THAT is the only reason why someone in the house will want to discipline him. He is getting too much positive press.

puddleglum 5 years, 7 months ago

ks, keep watching that fox news, its good for you.

Alia Ahmed 5 years, 7 months ago

KS (Anonymous) says…

Well, Drudge is reporting that he has now received over $1M in about 48 hours. I guess some folks like what he did. THAT is the only reason why someone in the house will want to discipline him. He is getting too much positive press.

So, people who had never heard of or supported Joe Wilson are sending him money because he disrepected the President during a speech to Congress. To me, that further serves to demonstrate that hatred toward our first black president runs "skin deep". Just think how much money Wilson might have raised if he would have included a racial epitath in with his heckling.

For those of you denying that the President's race has anything to do with the level of hatred directed toward President Obama, I'll point that the last Democratic president who tried to pass some meaningful healthcare reform, there was not this level of hatred and demonizing of the president. The insurance companies spent alot of money when President Clinton was president and they are spending a lot more to defeat it this time around. But this time around it's more than labeling the opponent as a liberal, they've played on many people's deep-seated fear and bigotry to protect their bottom line. I'd actually have more respect for the minority of people who feel this way if they were at least honest about it. Instead of hiding their faces under white sheets as they did in the past, they hide their true feelings behind accusations of communism and socialism.

There are many Republicans who legitimately have philosophical differences about healthcare reform and government intervention, but those are not the ones holding the disgusting signs with racial overtones calling President Obama a communist, socialist, not an American citizen and as someone who wants to oppress whites. Most of the people attending this tea party rallies have a totally different agenda. The Tea Party movement may have legitmately started out as a protest against higher taxes, a looming deficit and healthcare reform, but the movement has been hijacked by white supremists and other fringe groups based on the signs you see at these rallies.

bad_dog 5 years, 7 months ago

"Well, Drudge is reporting that he has now received over $1M in about 48 hours. I guess some folks like what he did."

What's not to like about your elected official looking like an idiot?

I can only imagine all the crying children with broken piggy banks in South Carolina. Despite what he's received, I believe Wilson still trails his opponent in this tit-for-tat campaign finance race, so I guess some other folks didn't care too much for what he did. Nevertheless, he'll probably still win by a large margin which says much more about the demographics of his district than the merit or propriety of his outburst.

Very similar to Minnesota's Michelle Bachmann; open mouth on national stage, insert both feet, receive ridicule. I know, it's that damn liberal media again...

lctchr1 5 years, 7 months ago

"The Tea Party movement may have legitmately started out as a protest against higher taxes, a looming deficit and healthcare reform, but the movement has been hijacked by white supremists and other fringe groups based on the signs you see at these rallies."

I agree completely. I bet Rick Santelli is a little disgusted with the how the right-wingers have taken his tea party outburst and corrupted it with their agenda. Pretty sad.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 7 months ago

" I f this guy had used the “correct channels” to make his statement, he would have gotten no press at all."

Agreed. Once cat calls during Presidential speeches becomes run of the mill, let me suggest stripping naked and holding a hostage at gunpoint while seeking press coverage.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 7 months ago

"For anyone to in any shape, form or fashion imply we have a strong, even barely functioning Democratic Party, well, simply blows my mind. You've got to be kidding me. These buffoons need an “Out of Order” sign posted on their side of the aisle–-and some of that yellow tape. Wow!"

Yet you, and the rest of the right wing crowd are all up in arms convinced they are destroying the country. Which is it?

camper 5 years, 7 months ago

The right wing crowd is not saying anything different than what they were saying before the civil war (States Rights) and during FDR's administration (Socialism). Amazing how times have not changed a bit.

But what they say does have an element of truth (in my humble opinion). When properly stated it is about freedom and individual rights. Rugged individualism. Free enterprise. This is all good. But our nation is also defined by community efforts, collectivism, centralization, and people working together....making the sum greater than the parts.

Ironic that what makes us great, also limits us to a certain extent. There is no reason that a nation such as ours cannot provide a regulated health care system without being demonized as Socialism. Somehow we've got to reconcile these two differing philosophies and strike a healthy balance between the two. The US is still the best and most enlightened country on the planet, no matter how much we may disagree with one another.

Crossfire 5 years, 7 months ago

In the spirit of Lester "the axeman" Maddox and Governer George Wallace all I can say is "get away"

segregation and racism still strong in america

Derek Neibarger 5 years, 7 months ago

"He’s the only one who has guts in that whole place. He’ll get re-elected in a landslide,” said John Roper, an insurance agent"

wow, another insurance guy that doesn't like the health reform talks? who would've thought?

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