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President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

October 9, 2009, 6:31 a.m. Updated October 9, 2009, 7:51 a.m.

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— President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.

Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama woke up to the news a little before 6 a.m. EDT. The White House had no immediate comment on the announcement, which took the administration by surprise.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee decided not to inform Obama before the announcement because it didn't want to wake him up, committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said.

"Waking up a president in the middle of the night, this isn't really something you do," Jagland said.

The Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," Jagland said.

Obama's election and foreign policy moves caused a dramatic improvement in the image of the U.S. around the world. A 25-nation poll of 27,000 people released in July by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found double-digit boosts to the percentage of people viewing the U.S. favorably in countries around the world. That indicator had plunged across the world under President George W. Bush.

Still, the U.S. remains at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Congress has yet to pass a law reducing carbon emissions and there has been little significant reduction in global nuclear stockpiles since Obama took office.

"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act," said former Polish President Lech Walesa, a 1983 Nobel Peace laureate.

"This is probably an encouragement for him to act. Let's see if he perseveres. Let's give him time to act," Walesa said.

The award appeared to be a slap at Bush from a committee that harshly criticized Obama's predecessor for his largely unilateral military action in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The Nobel committee praised Obama's creation of "a new climate in international politics" and said he had returned multilateral diplomacy and institutions like the U.N. to the center of the world stage.

"You have to remember that the world has been in a pretty dangerous phase," Jagland said. "And anybody who can contribute to getting the world out of this situation deserves a Nobel Peace Prize."

Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, the peace prize is given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Like the Parliament, the committee has a leftist slant, with three members elected by left-of-center parties. Jagland said the decision to honor Obama was unanimous.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who won the prize in 1984, said Obama's award shows great things are expected from him in coming years.

"It's an award coming near the beginning of the first term of office of a relatively young president that anticipates an even greater contribution towards making our world a safer place for all," Tutu said. "It is an award that speaks to the promise of President Obama's message of hope."

Until seconds before the award, speculation had focused on a wide variety of candidates besides Obama: Zimbabwe's Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, a Colombian senator, a Chinese dissident and an Afghan woman's rights activist, among others. The Nobel committee received a record 205 nominations for this year's prize, though it was not immediately apparent who nominated Obama.

"The exciting and important thing about this prize is that it's given to someone ... who has the power to contribute to peace," Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said.

Obama is the third sitting U.S. president to win the award: President Theodore Roosevelt won in 1906 and President Woodrow Wilson was awarded the prize in 1919.

Wilson received the prize for his role in founding the League of Nations, the hopeful but ultimately failed precursor to the contemporary United Nations.

The Nobel committee chairman said after awarding the 2002 prize to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, for his mediation in international conflicts, that it should be seen as a "kick in the leg" to the Bush administration's hard line in the buildup to the Iraq war.

Five years later, the committee honored Bush's adversary in the 2000 presidential election, Al Gore, for his campaign to raise awareness about global warming.

Obama was to meet with his top advisers on the Afghan war on Friday to consider a request by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, to send as many as 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan as the U.S war there enters its ninth year.

Obama ordered 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan earlier this year and has continued the use of unmanned drones for attacks on militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a strategy devised by the Bush administration. The attacks often kill or injure civilians living in the area.

In July talks in Moscow, Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that their negotiators would work out a new limit on delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads of between 500 and 1,100. They also agreed that warhead limits would be reduced from the current range of 1,700-2,200 to as low as 1,500. The United States now as about 2,200 such warheads, compared to about 2,800 for the Russians.

But there has been no word on whether either side has started to act on the reductions.

Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.

"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakeable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."

Obama also has attempted to restart stalled talks between the Israelis and Palestinians, but just a day after Obama hosted the Israeli and Palestinian leaders in New York, Israeli officials boasted that they had fended off U.S. pressure to halt settlement construction. Moderate Palestinians said they felt undermined by Obama's failure to back up his demand for a freeze.

Nominators for the prize include former laureates; current and former members of the committee and their staff; members of national governments and legislatures; university professors of law, theology, social sciences, history and philosophy; leaders of peace research and foreign affairs institutes; and members of international courts of law.

The Nelson Mandela Foundation welcomed the award on behalf of its founder Nelson Mandela, who shared the 1993 Peace Prize with then-South African President F.W. DeKlerk for their efforts at ending years of apartheid and laying the groundwork for a democratic country.

"We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and the eradication of poverty," the foundation said.

In his 1895 will, Alfred Nobel stipulated that the peace prize should go "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses."

The committee has taken a wide interpretation of Nobel's guidelines, expanding the prize beyond peace mediation to include efforts to combat poverty, disease and climate change.

Associated Press Writer Ian MacDougall contributed to this report.

Comments

cato_the_elder 5 years, 9 months ago

Well, the last U.S. president to receive this was Jimmy Carter, so there's at least a measure of consistency in this.

M. Lindeman 5 years, 9 months ago

Just one question for you all. The nominations closed when POTUS was only in office for two weeks. I just don't understand how he had acomplished so much world peace in that kind of time frame. Im not saying he didn't deserve it, but come on people something doesn't smell right.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

tumbilweed, I'm rather more interested in how you can justify this, other than him being NotBush.

If he had gotten us out of our two wars, I could see it. If he does, he might deserve it, after it happens, whenever that is. This is just kind of dumb. Or like they had no better ideas and just phoned it in.

cato_the_elder 5 years, 9 months ago

Tumbilweed, it was the twisted little minds of the Bush haters on the Nobel Committee, who have openly acknowledged that Obama hasn't actually accomplished anything yet, that decided to do this. It's not in the least surprising. They made no secret that the award to Carter in 2002 was intended as a direct affront to George W. Bush, and are already saying the same regarding this decision. All it shows is that the America-haters on the Nobel Committee have decided to recognize one of their own.

M. Lindeman 5 years, 9 months ago

tumbilweed (Anonymous) says…

Lets see how you Obama haters can justify this in your twisted little minds.

rdragon writes: Do you really have so little brain fuction, that you think Obama deserved the award? It really doesn't matter whether you like him or not, he sure the hell didn't deserve this award.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

In other news - - Tiger Woods has indicated he would consider playing golf in the Olympic Games.

A real man who actually earns the prizes awarded to him.

cato_the_elder 5 years, 9 months ago

Nschmi04, as I've previously stated, this is not in the least surprising and actually carries a great deal of unintended humor with it. The Nobel people have taken themselves far too seriously for way too many years. As for a drink, I never drink alcohol before 5:00 p.m., but I always appreciate the suggestion.

M. Lindeman 5 years, 9 months ago

barrypenders (Anonymous) says…

So much for the street cred of the progressive word 'Nobel'.

whatever

Darwin bless you all

rdragon writes:

I couldn't agree with you more.

Icomiclast 5 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Hato: The correct phrase is "Bush-hater", not "America-hater". The two are not synonymous.

Boosh 5 years, 9 months ago

Rally car racing should be an Olympic sport.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

This award is clearly intended to affect Obama's future actions and decisions, not reward him for what he's done in the last 9 months. In the aspect of making this a more peaceful world, Obama is an order of magnitude better than Bush, but that still doesn't warrant a Nobel Peace Prize-- yet.

I hope he doesn't (continue to) disappoint.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

Wow, does CNN own Nobel or something? This is absolutely ridiculous. They have completely cheapened the Nobel Prize. Maybe next year they can give it to Ahmedenijad for coming clean about his hidden nuclear ambitions.

imastinker 5 years, 9 months ago

Bozo - I agree completely.

Now, I feel so unclean after having said that.

Jennifer Dropkin 5 years, 9 months ago

The Nobel Committee is sending a message: a full repudiation of the unilateralism, isolationism, corporate cronyism, and self-serving behavior that was the Bush administration. Obama is busy cleaning up the mess Bush and his friends gave us by not only refusing to engage in the politics of devisiveness and selfishness but by offering intelligent, engaged interaction with the rest of the world.

At some point the civically anemic commenters to the J-W news items will realize that no one can live without the benefits and responsibilities of a civil society, not even them, and that in their efforts tear down anyone who tries to make the world a better place they hurt themselves as well.

I am happy--no, relieved--to have Nobel Laureate Obama as my president.

preebo 5 years, 9 months ago

"Well, the last U.S. president to receive this was Jimmy Carter, so there's at least a measure of consistency in this."

However, one caveat; the last sitting U.S. president to receive the Nobel for Peace, was Woodrow Wilson, so there is a measure of consistency with this. Wilson an intellectual, respected, and most importantly, * two term* President. I think Cato might be right, there could be some similarities. If so, lets prep the White House for four more years in 2012 - what do you say.

preebo 5 years, 9 months ago

"In other news - - Tiger Woods has indicated he would consider playing golf in the Olympic Games.

A real man who actually earns the prizes awarded to him."

...rather than a man who berates and demeans with cliched and inept comments from his parents basement.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

oh ya, Wilson deserved one too for sure. He campaigned on keeping the US out of war. Then immediately went to war. He got the Federal Reserve passed, then admitted his fears of what he'd done after he was out of office. He also supported segregating federally funded agencies.
oh ya, Wilson was just an all around great guy. There are a lot of consistencies, and I will never look up to the Nobel prize the way I did when I was a kid.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

Shouldn't the attribution on this story be The Onion instead of AP? They actually awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for Best Performance of Reading Speeches off a Teleprompter? Un-freaking-believable!

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

looks like nobelprize.org is taking a big hit this morning. I wonder how many FU's and NFW's they're receiving.

canyon_wren 5 years, 9 months ago

I find this the most unbelievable news we've had lately, especially if what rdragon says is true--that nominations closed when The Great One had only been in office for two weeks. It certainly diminishes the significance of the Nobel Peace Price in MY eyes. Yet another boost to Obama's already way-too-inflated ego. Each day has a new puzzle to offer. Guess we will just have to stay tuned for further discouraging developments.

ivalueamerica 5 years, 9 months ago

It is amazing how the rabid right hates America so much that they rejoice when we fail and protest when we win.

They are worse than al-quada, they are the enemy within, traitors to America.

I hope the Republican party purges the radical right and relagates them to their appropriate status, extremist fringe.

Traitors, every one.

Brent Garner 5 years, 9 months ago

When Carter got his Nobel Peace Prize at least he could point to the fact that he got Sadat and Begin to talk to each other at the White House. That was at least an accomplishment and did lead to a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. Quite an accomplishment actually. But, when the committe handed the prize to hot air Gore and no to "done-nothing" Obama it is quite clear to me that the selection process is highly politcized and not at all reflective of actually having achieved anything.

Godot 5 years, 9 months ago

What a joke. A Peace Prize for simply showing up.

3crookedhearts 5 years, 9 months ago

It's kind of like the year that Traffic won the Oscar for best picture.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

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bondmen 5 years, 9 months ago

Like Drudge said, 'For What'? Remember Yassir Arafat and Al Gore each won one too! Just as the Nobel prize committee is obviously depreciating the value of their once cherished prize so too Barry Hussein Obama is depreciating our once cherished currency, the US dollar, in a similar fashion. I guess it's fitting they both go down the tubes together.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

Barrack Obama: Still listening in on American's conversations. Still sending DEA agents into California medical marijuana dispenseries, Still allowing unwarranted stop & search police activities in all of America's major cities, Still hasn't actually ended any wars, and polarizing the nation more than Bush could have dreamed. yeah, he's peaceful.

Godot 5 years, 9 months ago

Will they take it back after Israel bombs Iran or vice-versa, because of Obama's beta male weakness and indecision? Or will they even still be around? Norway is within range of Russia's nukes.

james bush 5 years, 9 months ago

Obama wins on basis of hope and change!? OMG!

labmonkey 5 years, 9 months ago

Time to play "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour today.

Kirk Larson 5 years, 9 months ago

I wish they would have waited a couple years, but I understand how this reflects the international sigh of relief that the belicose man-boy is no longer the face of America.

Frightwig 5 years, 9 months ago

Yassir Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Mahatma Gandhi did not.

'Nuff said about the credibility of the Nobel Peace Prize.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 9 months ago

I understand that Bush is still rummaging through his box of Cracker Jack, looking for his prize....

ralphralph 5 years, 9 months ago

Phil and Alex Victor have done more for the World that O'bammy.

Phil and Alex for the Nobel!

frank mcguinness 5 years, 9 months ago

Don't mind areunormal, He'll be his happy little self after his morning wake and bake.

ralphralph 5 years, 9 months ago

PS - too many messages to go through them all right now. .... has anyone mentioned how ridiculous this is? The lack of certainty caused by our waffling newbie of a Prez causes more risk of international violence than the boneheadedness of his predecessor.

Obama = Hand-wringing Weenie

annemccracken 5 years, 9 months ago

AreUNorml: They didnt just examine his accomplishments as POTUS, they looked at his entire past. Your two weeks comment is pointless.

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm a liberal/progressive and even I think that this Nobel Prize is unmerited.

Obama simply has not done anything, by his own actions, that deserve the award -- do I think he will, eventually? Absolutely. But that's not the point. The Award is a joke at this point in his Presidency.

However, it serves as a clear demonstration of just how far America's image fell in the rest of the world during Bush's term -- and, even if the Conservatives refuse to come to terms with that, such a fall in standing was bad for America.

This award is based almost entirely on how Obama's election changed the world's opinion of the U.S. -- which certainly helps us diplomatically, although its nowhere near worthy of a Peace Prize.

But it's really not worth the conniption fit that the Right will inevitably have over this today (I can only imagine what we're going to hear).... The Peace Prize has given out some real doozy's in its history (Kissinger, anyone?)

notajayhawk 5 years, 9 months ago

AreUNorml (Anonymous) says…

"Maybe next year they can give it to Ahmedenijad for coming clean about his hidden nuclear ambitions."

He was the runner-up.

It was close.

meggers 5 years, 9 months ago

I think the prize is indicative of how the world looks to the US as a leader and a partner. I agree that Obama likely wouldn't have been awarded the prize had Bush not so royally f'd up our national image and our relationship with other nations, Still, as Americans, I think we should all be proud that the world is now looking to our president with admiration an an appeal for leadership, rather than turning their backs in outrage and disgust. Congratulations, Mr. President.

M. Lindeman 5 years, 9 months ago

annemccracken (Anonymous) says…

AreUNorml: They didnt just examine his accomplishments as POTUS, they looked at his entire past. Your two weeks comment is pointless.

rdragon writes:

annemccracken please enlighten us on his great accomplishments you speak of. Get another cup of java and read the what nobel board said how they decided.

MoparGuy 5 years, 9 months ago

Hmmmm.....So if you simply talk about changing the U.S. and the world for all mankind you can win the Nobel now? I was under the impression that the Nobel was awarded to the people of action, not a fast talker on a soap box. While Obama has plenty of time to do so, from what I've seen so far he is not deserving of this award.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 9 months ago

So the usual right wing apologists are opposed to Obama winning the Nobel. What a surprise! As ususal, nothing but negativism from them. Their hatred of Obama warps their opinion.
If not Obama, what world leader has done more to bring peace to the world in the last year? Please identify a better choice.

Godot 5 years, 9 months ago

Wonder how much Soros gave the nobel committee for this joke on the world. Soros devalues the currency, then he devalues the peace prize. He is just getting started.

alm77 5 years, 9 months ago

Tom, I'm a supporter of the president and I'm betting he's embarrassed too. I hope his speech today contains the word "cannot" and "accept".

Gareth Skarka 5 years, 9 months ago

alm77 -- exactly

My sincere hope is that he'll say that he's humbled and honored, but that he's turning it down. I certainly think he's savvy enough to do that -- it would be a brilliant political move on his part. But he's managed to be surprisingly tone-deaf at times in the past, and may do so again.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Does anyone consider this a legitimate prize after Al Gore got it? Obama gets a prize for empty rhetoric and Al Gore got a prize over-hyping global warming. This prize might has all the significance as having come from a box of Cracker Jacks.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

While I think this award is premature, he may still yet earn it.

But I think it's very unlikely that he could ever be as undeserving of as the most undeserving recipients of modern times-- Henry Kissinger, Yasser Arafat, and Menachem Begin.

M. Lindeman 5 years, 9 months ago

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

So the usual right wing apologists are opposed to Obama winning the Nobel. What a surprise! As ususal, nothing but negativism from them. Their hatred of Obama warps their opinion. If not Obama, what world leader has done more to bring peace to the world in the last year? Please identify a better choice.

rdragon writes:

I believe there where 204 other nomines who had actually accomplished something. As for your boy, please enlighten us on what he has accomplished that has advanced world peace?

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Liberals should be patting themselves on the back today. After all a prestigious “five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament” like Obama’s empty rhetoric. Even SNL makes fun of the fact Obama hasn’t accomplished anything.

areyouserious 5 years, 9 months ago

there is no way his ego allows him to turn down this award............

The Nobel Peace Prize is now equivalent to winning a free mountain dew under the cap contest........

what a fraud

beawolf 5 years, 9 months ago

How can anyone see this as a negative? Was it deserved? Apparently so as the Nobel committee voted unanimously. It was a decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism. But, then again, I guess Republicans do not support those initiatives. I can't wait to hear Beck/Limbaugh/O'Rielly comment on this.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

Who'd have thought that saying "We're sorry we are Americans" would have been such a big hit on the international scene?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

Satirical-- who do you think should have gotten it?

Centerville 5 years, 9 months ago

When was Karl Rove get appointed to the Nobel committee?

Steve Jacob 5 years, 9 months ago

I just heard about it. My first thought was "Wow, the world hated George Bush that much?" They do sometimes make political stands, remember in 1997 they gave it to Jody Williams, head of the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, to point out the fact the US did not sigh the treaty.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years, 9 months ago

Who is more aghast at this?

The Taliban or the American political right?

Interesting...

1029 5 years, 9 months ago

Ha. I love it.

Some red-necked, racist, undereducated, rural Kansas republicans are really getting worked up about this. Of course, right? I mean, we see on Fox news that Obama is quickly turning into a failure, right? That he's easily going to lose in 2012, right? That the majority of real Americans (hard-working, liberal-hating, white christians that are bitter at the fact that society has grown too complex for them to understand) hate that boy, right? Hahaha.

America's failure is a victory for Republicans. They need this country to fall apart. They need it badly. Or their party may never be relevant again. Those silly "patriots".

And by the way, screw the whole idea of peace. War makes the world exciting. War makes people rich.

Frightwig 5 years, 9 months ago

It should have gone to nominee Denis Mukwege. He deserved it. Unlike Obama, Dr. Mukwege actually accomplish something. No hate for Obama, but he simply hasn't earned it yet.

antney 5 years, 9 months ago

Bush set the bar so low that just getting inaugurated should be sufficient for a new President to win a Nobel

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

bozo... "Satirical— who do you think should have gotten it?"

I am not aware of the other 200 or so up for the award, nor their qualifications. But even without that information I still know I would give it to a person who has actually done something.

Do you think empty rhetoric is a sufficient qualification to winning this Cracker Jack prize?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

According to the AP, the nomination deadline is 1 Feb. So, in effect, the O'dude was nominated for being the figurehead of Axelrod's campaign and his own mad teleprompter skillz. What's that helicopter-like noise in the east? It must be Alfred Nobel spinning in his grave.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"Do you think empty rhetoric is a sufficient qualification to winning this Cracker Jack prize?"

I've already said that I think this prize was awarded in order to influence his future actions (and as a "sigh of relief" that Bush is gone,) rather than what he's already done.

That said, he's in a job where he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, especially with the mess that BushCo left behind. But he signed up for, and it remains to be seen whether his rhetoric is empty or not.

RobertMarble 5 years, 9 months ago

hahaha too funny....ok libs, I'm interested in seeing how you justify this one; let's hear it.

georgiahawk 5 years, 9 months ago

I think that this prize is a little premature, but after reading all the conservative posts above, all I have to say is HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HEE-HEE! bush screwed everything to the point that this sort of thing happened. Yeah, the world hated bush that much! And you guys say that Obama has hurt America's standing around the world! Do you now see how stupid of a statement that was? Obama got this simply by not being bush!!! (laughter)

laughingatallofu 5 years, 9 months ago

I wonder what ol Dub'ya was thinkin' when he heard the news this morn. If I could've been a fly inside that empty cavern... sigh...

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Let's see....

Barack Obama, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter....all dems. Oh wait...there are no republicans that have EVER won this award.

Just remember who the peace party is!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"Oh wait…there are no republicans that have EVER won this award."

Henry Kissinger won it, and nobody whoever won it is less deserving.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Henry, however deserving, was not an elected official.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 9 months ago

"Just one question for you all. The nominations closed when POTUS was only in office for two weeks. I just don't understand how he had acomplished so much world peace in that kind of time frame. Im not saying he didn't deserve it, but come on people something doesn't smell right. "

Yeah, this is clearly about politics. Too bad, really. The Nobel Prize will eventually come to mean little if this is how they do things. Obama may fail at every one of his inititives. How will this award look then?

They are at risk of marginalizing and minimizing what has historically been one of the greatest honors in the history of the planet.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

Which Republican president do you think deserved it, Ricky?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"They are at risk of marginalizing and minimizing what has historically been one of the greatest honors in the history of the planet."

Giving it to Kissinger, Arafat and Begin already did that. Whether or not he "deserves" it now, he's hardly in a league with those three.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Besides, Kissinger helped Pinochet kill a democratically elected president in Chile. Pinochet went on to become a militaristic dictator.

How's that for an act of peace?

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

I don't think any Republican president deserves it. We always seem to be at war when the Repubs are in charge...

yourworstnightmare 5 years, 9 months ago

This is oddly premature.

The fact that Obama really did nothing except espouse these goals does not make him a worthy recipient.

This undermines the credibility of the Nobel prize and committee, and actually undermines Obama, too.

It makes the prize seem like a political award rather than a recognition of accomplishments of working for peace.

I am confident that Obama will achieve enough to represent the prize well, but this early award is a bit silly.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 9 months ago

I heard he's going to win an Emmy and an Oscar too.

ivalueamerica 5 years, 9 months ago

I think by seeing who this irritates the most, it is clearly the right choice.

Practicality 5 years, 9 months ago

Here are the winners for the last 50 years. It is interesting to note that in this decade 3 American Dems have won this award. That appears to be a rather large number when considering the award is world wide. I do not know enough about the selection of the award to comment about that, but it does seem rather premature to award the to President Obama, IMHO.

2009 - Barack Obama 2008 - Martti Ahtisaari 2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore 2006 - Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank 2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei 2004 - Wangari Maathai 2003 - Shirin Ebadi 2002 - Jimmy Carter 2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan 2000 - Kim Dae-jung 1999 - Médecins Sans Frontières 1998 - John Hume, David Trimble 1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams 1996 - Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, José Ramos-Horta 1995 - Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs 1994 - Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin 1993 - Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk 1992 - Rigoberta Menchú Tum 1991 - Aung San Suu Kyi 1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev 1989 - The 14th Dalai Lama 1988 - United Nations Peacekeeping Forces 1987 - Oscar Arias Sánchez 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1985 - International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War 1984 - Desmond Tutu 1983 - Lech Walesa 1982 - Alva Myrdal, Alfonso García Robles 1981 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees 1980 - Adolfo Pérez Esquivel 1979 - Mother Teresa 1978 - Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin 1977 - Amnesty International 1976 - Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan 1975 - Andrei Sakharov 1974 - Seán MacBride, Eisaku Sato 1973 - Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho 1972 - The prize money for 1972 was allocated to the Main Fund 1971 - Willy Brandt 1970 - Norman Borlaug 1969 - International Labour Organization 1968 - René Cassin 1967 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section 1966 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section 1965 - United Nations Children's Fund 1964 - Martin Luther King Jr. 1963 - International Committee of the Red Cross, League of Red Cross Societies 1962 - Linus Pauling 1961 - Dag Hammarskjöld 1960 - Albert Lutuli 1959 - Philip Noel-Baker 1958 - Georges Pire 1957 - Lester Bowles Pearson 1956 - The prize money was with 1/3 allocated to the Main Fund and with 2/3 to the Special Fund of this prize section 1955 - The prize money was allocated to the Special Fund of this prize section 1954 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees 1953 - George C. Marshall 1952 - Albert Schweitzer 1951 - Léon Jouhaux 1950 - Ralph Bunche 1949 - Lord Boyd Orr

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/index.html

puddleglum 5 years, 9 months ago

ol' godot sez: Norway is within range of Russia's nukes.

so are we, dude. its not 1948 anymore.

Kirk Larson 5 years, 9 months ago

Actually, Teddy Roosevelt won it. He was a republican.

pizzapete 5 years, 9 months ago

They should have given it to Ronald Regan. He ended the cold war, brought peace to Nicaragua, freed the hostages, ended environmentalism, helped end the war in Iran/Iraq, brought peace to Israel, lowered taxes, lowered the federal defecit, brought economic prosperity, ended drug abuse, cut wasteful social programs, and freed the people of Eastern Europe. I could go on and on, I know he did a lot more than any sitting president in my lifetime to bring us peace. That is more than Obama will ever do.

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

For those who think this is premature, consider the fact that Obama did more for foreign diplomacy while a candidate than George Bush did in EIGHT years.

It is interesting that the world understands the message and power of hope while we here on 'the shining hill' can not grasp the notion. Everyone sits around and complains about Obama not doing everything he promised, but he's made it clear that this is a long process, and it depends on the actions of individuals as much as the Oval Office. What have YOU done today or this week or this year to make the effort to bring positive change rather than complaining about losing the America of an imagined past?

How can change happen when our 'great' nation is shackled with stupidity and ignorance that we gladly created in the guise of 'individualism' and 'freedom'.

Rep. Grayson said it best last night. "If Obama has a BLT, the next day the republican congress will try to ban bacon."

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Reagan?

LOL

He...

LOL

Are you serious?

LOL

notajayhawk 5 years, 9 months ago

Oslo (AP) - In an unusual move, the committe revealed the results of the voting in this very close ballot. It turns out there was a four-way tie for runner up, between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, Osama Bin Laden, and the late Saddam Hussein. According to a spokesperson, they all came very close to that quality that swayed the voters, that essence of non-Bushness.

Rachel Madkow was named Miss Congeniality.


Pywacket (Anonymous) says…

"While stunning, if you think about it, it makes sense"

What planet do you live on, Py?


1029 (Anonymous) says…

"Some red-necked, racist, undereducated, rural Kansas republicans are really getting worked up about this. Of course, right? I mean, we see on Fox news that Obama is quickly turning into a failure, right? That he's easily going to lose in 2012, right?"

Can't speak for the rednecks, 1029, but personally I have been laughing my a** off all morning. And, um - pretty sure the people who voted for this 'honor' won't be voting for POTUS in 2012.


rdragon (Anonymous) says…

"So the usual right wing apologists are opposed to Obama winning the Nobel."

So the usual left-wing loons think this somehow justifies their blind, fawning obeisance to their messiah, that a few Scandanavian buffoons share their maniacal (and slightly psychotic) hatred of Bush that they'd give the prize to anyone else based on nothing other than their not being him?

Seriously, dragon - look at some of the comments from some of the LJW's finest liberals - can you really justify this in any way, shape, or form - without making any reference to his predeccesor?


But seriously, if the president had the tiniest shred of class, just the minutest trace of integrity, he would thank the committee but tell them he'd rather win it for something he's actually done rather than be used as a pawn in a political statement made by the old fools. Somehow I don't see that happening, but if it did, it might be one of the first things I could respect about the man.

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

pizza pete

You are reading the revised history, not the real history. Ended drug abuse? Really? What's that crack and meth stuff going still going around for? The tax cuts brought about spiraling interest rates, job loss and increased deficits. He tripled the deficit during his presidency. "In 1981, shortly after taking office, Reagan lamented "runaway deficits" that were then approaching $80 billion, or about 2.5 percent of gross domestic product. Within only two years, however, his policies had succeeded in enlarging the deficit to more than $200 billion, or 6 percent of GDP."

He was a nice man, supposedly, but our blindness to the past covers the real Reagan legacy the Bush I had to fix (and got scewered for raising taxes to diminish the defict) and Clinton finished the job with a budget excess and is remembered for a blow job. History is strange when the truth is twisted to fit our wishes.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 9 months ago

For those who are criticizing this award:

Did Obama not succeed in winning a Presidential contest based on a theme of constructive engagement with the world, as opposed to the past administration's arrogant posture in the world. Turning American foreign policy from one of illegal invasions and massive civilian deaths and returning our posture in the world to one that is respectful of other people is, after all, quite a feat. Perhaps the Noble Prize committee members, not blinded by partisan hatred, recognized that feat?

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Good point Cappy. Teddy was one of the greatest presidents of all time.

But he won it in 1906...

Teddy had many qualities (such as environmental awareness) that Repubs today just don't share. The Republican party doesn't act the same way it did back in ought 6.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 9 months ago

Between this and Mary Cheney having a daughter, I'm starting to think maybe there is a god? And he hates Republicans.

beawolf 5 years, 9 months ago

I think it should have gone to Glenn Beck, I don't think a comedian has ever won the award.

KansasVoter 5 years, 9 months ago

Now that Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize he legally has the power to confiscate all firearms in private possession in America. The Great Obama Gun Grab begins on Monday!

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

Well said Scott. Bears repeating:

"For those who are criticizing this award:

Did Obama not succeed in winning a Presidential contest based on a theme of constructive engagement with the world, as opposed to the past administration's arrogant posture in the world. Turning American foreign policy from one of illegal invasions and massive civilian deaths and returning our posture in the world to one that is respectful of other people is, after all, quite a feat. Perhaps the Noble Prize committee members, not blinded by partisan hatred, recognized that feat? "

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

KansasVoter and all the other posters who are stating their stupidity:

You guys are driving yourselves crazy by making this stuff up. Take two doses of reality and make the world a better place.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

I totally agree with the president when he says he doesn't deserve this award. Besides eloquent speaking skills, he hasn't "done" anything to earn it. I wonder how Jimmy Carter and Al Gore feel about their awards? At least Mr. Gore had a power point slide show.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

This is actually really entertaining to watch all the liberals who are patting themselves on the back so hard they are almost hurting themselves, simply because a "five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament" also doesn't like Bush. Whoop-ti-do.

Congratulations, there are other people in this world that are blinded by ideology as well! Odd, that you don't like it when Obama receives what you think is unjustified criticism. Oh wait, your side is always right, and the other side is always wrong....almost forget...

Because the Norwegian Parliament doesn't like Bush, it certainly justified all the hate-filled rhetoric you spewed when he was in office. Birthers are sane in comparison.

professor 5 years, 9 months ago

NEWS FLASH!! NEWS FLASH!! NEWS FLASH!! NEWS FLASH!! NEWS FLASH!! NEWS FLASH!!

The remainder of the 2009 Baseball Divisional, League Championship and World Series have been cancelled in order to award the Washington Nationals the World Series Championship based on their good intentions and desire to someday be winners!!

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

tbaker.

Obama has realized that the hopes of the world rely on a team effort. That is such a change from the exceptionalism and cowboy diplomacy of George Bush that he deserves credit for that alone. He has shifted the entire international narrative. You give him no credit for that? "If", as Sec'y Clinton said recently, "Obama were to walk on water, you'd ask why he doesn't swim" And you're probably hoping he gets eaten by sharks or drowns. What value is there in that attitude? What do we gain with this derisive and constant criticism of our President? What is the benefit....tell me that.

Kirk Larson 5 years, 9 months ago

Agree about Teddy Roosevelt. He created the Estate Tax so that plutarchs wouldn't take over the country. Oh, I'm sorry, that's "Death Tax" for all you republicans.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 9 months ago

Actually satirical, most on the forum think this award was not deserved.

But liberals get one heck of a kick out of seeing the republicans in the mess they are.

Whether deserved or not, the republicans are showing their true colors right now.

Anti-American Colors. Keep it up guys! You'll be the laughing stock for generations to come.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 9 months ago

Tom,

Republican/Conservative=Anti American.

BigPrune 5 years, 9 months ago

Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama

loser, loser, loser

professor 5 years, 9 months ago

overthemoon, ..tell me that?

Okay, I guess if someone had only half a brain, your maniacal and meaningless ranting might make some sense. For us full brained individuals, I think you are the,, as you say, the stupid one?

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Overthemoon - shifted the entire international narrative huh? You mean the international narrative that gets the Olympics to come to Chicago, or the one that causes all of these international foreign policy failures?

1) Washington’s attempt to push for a joint economic stimulus program among the 20 biggest economies at the G-20 meeting in April 2009; - rejected.

2) Calls for a major military commitment from NATO to increase the number of combat troops in conflict zones in Afghanistan and Pakistan to complement the additional 21,000 US troop buildup (Financial Times April 12, 2009 p.7); - rejected

3) Plans to forge closer political and diplomatic relations among the countries of the Americas based on the pursuit of a common agenda, including the continued exclusion of Cuba and isolation of Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador (La Jornada (Mex. D.F.) April 20, 2009); - rejected

4) Weakening, isolating and pressuring Iran through a mixture of diplomatic gestures and tightening economic sanctions to surrender its nuclear energy program (Financial Times, April 16/17, 2009 p. 7); - hasn't happened yet.

5) The application of pressure on North Korea to suspend its satellite and missile testing program in addition to dismantling its nuclear weapons program. (Financial Times, April 13, 2009 p.4); - going no where.

6) Securing an agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority for a ‘two state solution’, in which Israel agrees to end and dismantle its illegal settlements in exchange for recognition of Israel as a ‘Jewish State’ (Financial Times, April 13, 2009, p.5); - rejected.

7) Pressuring the government of Pakistan to increase its military role in attacking the autonomous Northwest provinces and territories along the Pakistan-Afghan border in support of the US war against Islamic resistance movements, especially among the Pashtun people (over 40 million strong), in both Afghanistan and Pakistan (FT April 23, 2009 p.3); - rejected

8) Securing a stable pro-US regime in Iraq capable of remaining in power after a withdrawal of the majority of US occupation troops (FT April 8, 2009). - nope. Not there yet.

Shifted the narrative....you make me laugh. "Narrative" is all he's done.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 9 months ago

Big Prune,

Republican/Conservative=Anti American.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Rooster… "most on the forum think this award was not deserved”

There were several on this post who thought he deserved the award. There is also a poll on the LJWorld which shows many supporting the fact he got the award.

“But liberals get one heck of a kick out of seeing the republicans in the mess they are.” – rooster

Yeah, congratulations on backing that claim up. (Oh wait, I forgot liberals don't have to do that) Your response basically repeated exactly what I said and used the playground tactic of “I know you are but what am I”


“Whether deserved or not, the republicans are showing their true colors right now. Anti-American Colors.” - rooster

Yeah, I guess dissent is only patriotic if you are a Democrat…right?


Actually I think this award is a great opportunity to highlight the fact Obama hasn’t really accomplished anything yet. Even the usually liberal SNL is starting to lampoon him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5Kl38fSVY

Thanks for playing along!

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

“Republican/Conservative=Anti American” – Rooster

Thanks for showing YOUR “true colors,” someone who can’t be reasoned with.

LogicMan 5 years, 9 months ago

"I would think Obama would be feeling some embarassment about now. I don't think Obama is lacking a conscience; he knows this isn't right."

My take: the best thing he could do is to refuse to accept the award and $. A double-win for him, politically.

professor 5 years, 9 months ago

rooster

in your equation you have republican divided by conservative. equaling anti-american. your math skills give hint to your intelligence = zero.

ylime3499 5 years, 9 months ago

I think I cried a little... no telling if it was from the laughing or thinking of all the other people who actually created peace in 2008... I did not vote for him, but beside that point her really truly did not deserve this—and I know of a few other people who turned it down—like the guy who was involved with Vietnam saying he wouldn’t except it because there wasn’t peace there. Oh dear

notajayhawk 5 years, 9 months ago

rooster (Anonymous) says…

"Anti-American Colors. Keep it up guys! You'll be the laughing stock for generations to come. "

You seriously believe the world isn't laughing their a**es off at the United States right now?


scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

"Did Obama not succeed in winning a Presidential contest based on a theme of constructive engagement with the world, as opposed to the past administration's arrogant posture in the world."

And in other news, the Academy Award for Best Picture has gone to the as-yet unfilmed remake of "Harold & Maude," because the first one was so bad and the producers say they can do better this time.

Brilliant as always, scottie.

cato_the_elder 5 years, 9 months ago

"Barry is also the leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy this year." - The_Original_Bob

Best post of the day.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

cato_the_elder...

TOB is wrong. Obama doesn't play football, he plays basketball, which is why he is up for the Naismith Award.

I have a feeling most liberals could come up with some rationale why he deserves it more than Aldrich and Collins.

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

t baker

That's all news from April 13th? Since then, N Korea has opened its border with South Korea, Obama met with Israeli and Palestinian leaders at the UN for initial talks (don't expect a decades old rivalry to heal in one talk), Iran had an 'election' and the game has changed, There is a troop build up in Afganistan, etc etc etc. No, its not all easy. But you would do better I assume?

cato_the_elder 5 years, 9 months ago

Actually, there's another aspect of this that few have talked about: The wailing and gnashing of teeth that has to be going on in the Clinton household (sic) right now. Toward the end of his presidency, B.J. fell all over himself trying to get the Nobel Peace Prize from his overseas buddies, but his Middle East machinations fell through. When Gore received it a few years later it damn near killed him. Now that the Eurotrash have once again lauded the Bamster as one of their own, both B.J. and Hillary privately will be out of sorts in spades.

sinverguenza 5 years, 9 months ago

"The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists -- the Taliban and Hamas this morning -- in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize," wrote DNC Communications Director Brad Woodhouse. "Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize -- an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride -- unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore - it's an embarrassing label to claim."

Yeah Brad, that's kind of how I felt.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 9 months ago

I like ONE thing that pizzapete said, about Regan being more deserving than Obama. Partly because those of us over 40 remember what it was like wondering if we would be the last generation of humans on Earth. Ending the cold war meant mitigating the risk of a global thermonuclear war!!! That's not an "ideal", that was the ending of a very, very real threat to the entire human race like no threat ever before! How did he do it? By "winning" the cold war. Regan won by outspending the USSR in arms. For that reason - the fact that Regan poured so much money into our war budget - Regan was never going to get the award... but NOT because Regan failed to bring peace.

If we are comparing accomplishments, the man who ended the threat of meta-genocide was more deserving of a Peace Prize than a man who brought "Hope" and a great set of ideals. But... he did it by buying more guns than the other guy, so Regan (politically speaking, not practically speaking) is an innapropriate candidate for such a prize.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Cato - Would Owl Gore's head explode If Barry gets the academy award too? Given his ability to read a script, doesn't he deserves that? Didn't Gore got one for a slick power point presentation?

TacoBob 5 years, 9 months ago

Harkens back to the time when Jethro Tull won the 1989 Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance.

Hollow, very hollow.

KansasVoter 5 years, 9 months ago

overthemoon (Anonymous) says… "KansasVoter and all the other posters who are stating their stupidity:"

It's a joke, son. You missed it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"How did he (Reagan) do it? By “winning” the cold war. "

Actually, they did recognize the ending of the cold war. They chose to award the NPP to Gorbachev instead. Did he deserve it? Debatable. But he was certainly more deserving than Reagan.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

You may like or dislike President Obama, but this is good for America. Sorry so many can't appreciate this simple fact.

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

So..... our nation's president surprisingly wins the Nobel Peace Prize.

... and people say he didn't deserve it.

We have a president who has, in less than a year, made leaps and bounds in saving international face for the U.S. after 8 years of kiss-my-a## policy. And all he did was talk.

Yes antiBama's, that's pretty much all he's done so far, is talk. And yet, just through talkling, the rest of the world takes us seriously again, instead of contemptuously fearing us like Hillbillies with a 5th of Jack and a 12 gauge.

It's amazing what talking can do. I wonder what could've happened in the last two presidential terms if our leader could have "talked that good", ya'll know what I mean?

The award is not unprecedented. I just looked, for the first time, at the history of Peace Prize laureates and the reasons why they won. It's clearly political driven, but always in such a way as to promote peace or peaceful ideals.

T. Roosevelt won it in 1906 for helping to end Russo-Japanese war.

Kissinger won it in 1973 for a failed attempt to end the Vietnam war.

Arafat won it with Rabin and Peres in 1994 because of a failed attempt to bring peace to the Middle East.

So you don't have to be a saint to win it. You don't have to be successful in your efforts. You don't even have to have done more good for humanity than bad. You just have to work toward peace. The fact that they will often give the award for work done in the past year, not waiting for the result of the effort, is a testament to the fact that its purpose is to encourage peaceful actions just as much as its designed to reward them.

To the committee, Obama's peace-leaning rhetoric was apparently so refreshing compared to that of the previous administration, that it was enough to merit the award. Which is totally sad, and absolutely hilarious at the same time.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

To all the Republicans complaining:

If you think the award is meaningless and only losers win it, then why do you care that Obama won it?

By your own logic, it should be meaningless to you as well. So why are you expending all of this effort complaining about it?

overthemoon 5 years, 9 months ago

KansasVoter

I'm sorry if I missed your joke! Problem is, people actually believe that sort of s...uh...thing.

This is sobering:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/melanie-hain-gun-carrying_n_315291.html

Son?

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Let’s break down the liberal logic.

(1) Liberals claims you should be proud because an American President won this award. And you are un-American for not supporting our POTUS's achievement. (2) Many liberals claims this award is more a condemnation of Bush than it is a recognition of Obama’s achievements

So by their own admission, this award is an award of spite against a former POTUS, rather than a support of the current POTUS.

Because this award is property viewed as an attack on a POTUS and not support of a POTUS, then Americans should feel the opposite of pride - outrage. And based on liberal logic it would be un-American to not feel outrage for this blatant disrespect.

They can’t have it both ways. If Obama doesn't deserve this prize, then the proper reaction based on liberal logic should be outrage. We should all support all our Presidents equally...right? Or, if we can pick and choose, maybe I can choose whether to feel pride when my current POTUS gets a Crack Jack award that is really just meant to disrespect my former POTUS.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

Perhaps the Nobel committee was nervous about another Kanye West incident if the wrong person got the award.

Matt Warman 5 years, 9 months ago

Hell just froze over... negating Gore's Nobel Prize for global warming. What a joke.
Well, off to Detroit to get my money!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"So by their own admission, this award is an award of spite"

What's been admitted is that it's an award of celebration-- by the rest of the world, especially our friends and allies.

sinverguenza 5 years, 9 months ago

No, Sat - you don't get to make straw man arguments for us. But good try though.

kmat 5 years, 9 months ago

Thank you whynaut. One of the only meaninful and intelligent posts on this story.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Ricky_Vaughn… “By your own logic, it should be meaningless to you as well. So why are you expending all of this effort complaining about it?”

We are responding to this news because: (1) We think all the self adulation from liberals is hilarious since it is a Cracker Jack prize.
(2) We think this is a great opportunity for our country to take a critical (not cynical) look at Obama’s accomplishments, or lack thereof.

hbjayhawk 5 years, 9 months ago

And . . . George Bush wins the Fields Medal for Math . . . are you kidding me??

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

Obama is all talk right? He hasn't really accomplished anything yet right? Well, perhaps not, but at least he's trying as tbaker so kindly pointed out.

Don't forget that the Bush administration didn't completely f-up foreign policy over night, nay not even in his first year; it took a few.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sin… “No, Sat - you don't get to make straw man arguments for us. But good try though.”

“(1) Liberals claims you should be proud because an American President won this award. And you are un-American for not supporting our POTUS's achievement.” – Satirical

Evidence:

“You may like or dislike President Obama, but this is good for America.” – Beatrice

“’The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists — the Taliban and Hamas this morning — in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,’” – sinverguenza (quoting Brad whom he said he agreed with)

“Can't say I 100% agree with that, but I also can't name any others with the capital he's got who've done more. America should be proud.” – sinverguenza

“Whether deserved or not, the republicans are showing their true colors right now. Anti-American Colors.” – rooster

“America's failure is a victory for Republicans. They need this country to fall apart. They need it badly.” – 1029

“It is amazing how the rabid right hates America so much that they rejoice when we fail and protest when we win. They are worse than al-quada, they are the enemy within, traitors to America.” - ivalueamerica

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Cont’d:

“(2) Many liberals claims this award is more a condemnation of Bush than it is a recognition of Obama’s achievements” – Satirical

Evidence:

“I agree that Obama likely wouldn't have been awarded the prize had Bush not so royally f'd up our national image and our relationship with other nations, Still, as Americans, I think we should all be proud that the world is now looking to our president with admiration an an appeal for leadership, rather than turning their backs in outrage and disgust.” – Meggers

“Dumbya set this up perfectly by earning the disgust and horror of the rest of the civilized world.” - Pywacket

“Yeah, the world hated bush that much! And you guys say that Obama has hurt America's standing around the world! Do you now see how stupid of a statement that was? Obama got this simply by not being bush!!! (laughter)” – georgiahawk

” I've already said that I think this prize was awarded in order to influence his future actions (and as a “sigh of relief” that Bush is gone,) rather than what he's already done.” – just_another_bozo_on_this_bus

“Bush set the bar so low that just getting inaugurated should be sufficient for a new President to win a Nobel” - antney

“I just heard about it. My first thought was “Wow, the world hated George Bush that much?”” – srj

“I guess that is a signal from the international community their distaste for Bush.” –edjayhawk

“The Nobel Committee is sending a message: a full repudiation of the unilateralism, isolationism, corporate cronyism, and self-serving behavior that was the Bush administration.” – gilly

Sin...What was I making up again?

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sinverguenza…

So again, if liberals claim America should be proud when an American POTUS is honored by negative inference of that logic, they should feel outraged when an American POTUS is disrespected.

Since many liberals claim this was more about Bush than Obama, it is clear America's reaction should be outrage.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

And to think, the president of Arizona State University wouldn't even give Obama an honorary doctorate. Well, doesn't he look foolish now!

I still say this is a good thing for America, even if it is premature.

TacoBob: "Harkens back to the time when Jethro Tull won the 1989 Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance."

Wrong. Jethro Tull was never "hard rock." Obama at least has the capacity to live up to the ideals of this award. It is a funny comparison, however.

TOB: "The Beer Summit impressed the world."

I missed your earlier comment, and I just wrote something similar on the other thread. Not trying to steal your joke, I just didn't catch that you beat me to it.

sinverguenza 5 years, 9 months ago

Well Sat, that was a good effort, but I'm sure you noticed that the commenters in area one didn't show up in area two.

So your final argument, that "They can’t have it both ways" fails. It fails because you tried to make two separate viewpoints into one "liberal" ideology straw man and tear it down, and that simply doesn't fly.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Beatrice - I don't know if this NPP is "good for America." It puts the President in a quid pro quo arrangement with Europe.

Aside from being the butt of a lot of jokes, deserved or not, this tends to box-in the President and limit his options and/or limits his ability to govern from the middle, should he ever chose to do so.

Since he truly hasn't done anything measurable to deserve this, this has to be viewed as a preemptive award for things the European community would like to see him do in the future. He is now in a position to be labeled as some one who subsequently deviated from his stated path, the path that generated the expectations that the award was given for.

Now he is in a place where he could be accused of not deserving the award by the same people who actually gave him the award, in addition to all the domestic pundits. Can you imagine the President balking at some future scheme the EU would like to see the US participate in, and then have European leaders go on the record suggesting he return the award because of it?

Its a bad thing for an American President to be "beholden" to foreign interests.

remember_username 5 years, 9 months ago

Lawrenceguy40 - The peace prize originates from Norway not Sweden.

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

Cracker Jack prize? The same one given to Dr. King? The same one given to Desmond Tutu? The same one given to Mother Theresa? The same one given to Nelson Mandela? The one given to countless altruists who have dedicated their lives to making the world a better place by protecting human rights? The one given to controversial government leaders of aggressive countries who, at least at one point, sat across from their adversaries in hopes to bring peace between them?

Politically motivated, progressive, and decidedly left leaning? Perhaps. Cracker Jack? Well, just let me know when you get one (or anyone from the GOP for that matter, as I noticed that their representation on the list of laureates is curiously sparse. Could it possibly be that the mission of the GOP is not particularly in alignment with that of the NPP committee, which, when you look at the reasons why they are awarded to who they are, is inarguably for the ending of conflict, the protection of human rights, and the betterment of the human race as a whole?).

I really like how the antiBama's are now bent on discrediting the Nobel Peace Prize (yes, the NOBEL F-ING PEACE PRIZE!!!) that it has gone, however arguably premature, to their target of their naive aggression. I suppose that any future accolades given to the president will come under equal, if not harsher, criticism, no matter how legitimately deserved (citing this instance of course as the precedence).

AntiBamas: that's exactly what you are. When you don the antiBama hat, you are not being conservative, you are not being Republican, your just being foolish. Don't get me wrong, the antiBushes would stoop to the same mindless, content-less, smear tactics. The difference is that the Bush administration was domestically and internationally condemned due to it's inflammatory rhetoric, arrogant (if not xenophobic) foreign policy, careless handling of domestic issues, and divisive political moves, and so the mudslinging, even when it was unscrupulously without merit, was generally tolerated by rational thinking people, a majority of who were in agreement that the administration was a failure.

The difference now, is that the rhetoric is thoughtful, not inflammatory; foreign policy is more cooperative, not arrogant; domestic issues are being thoughtfully debated before rash implementations are being made, and our president is more likely to dismiss divisive maneuvers by outspoken politicians on both sides than to respond to them likewise.

The (overwhelmingly obvious) difference leaves you, antiBamas, with a much shorter leg to stand on.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Reality is the fact BO won it. Reality is the rest of the world seems to love this guy. The only ones who don't are bitter right wingers in this country.

Complain to the leaders of your party and tell them to do a better job next time.

ralphralph 5 years, 9 months ago

Is O'Bammy the first Irishman to receive the Peace Prize?

I hope he comes up with a good acceptance quote, like Jimmy Carter, who said, "I regret that I have but one Panama Canal to give away for my Country" or was it "I regret that I have but two helicopters to crash in the desert" ...?

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sinverguenza… “but I'm sure you noticed that the commenters in area one didn't show up in area two.”

Wow, are you saying these statement are not identical? You deserve a noble prize for that astute observation…. They were separate comments which is why I kept them separate (duh). But both comments are supported by liberals, and therefore I correctly labeled them as "liberal logic."

“It fails because you tried to make two separate viewpoints into one “liberal” ideology straw man and tear it down, and that simply doesn't fly.” – sin

Claiming that bringing together all the separate liberal or conservative viewpoints into a cohesive whole doesn’t create an ideology, shows you don’t understand that term.

Just like if you think it is inconsistent for conservatives to both be pro-life but also pro-death penalty. Even if not all conservatives hold both views, those views are widely held by most conservatives and therefore can be correctly labeled as “conservative logic” or conservative ideology. The statements I quoted are commonly held beliefs by liberals, and I correctly pointed out they are inconsistent.

Liberals hold both the view that America should be proud when an American POTUS is honored, and that this award is more a slap against Bush than for anything Obama has actually accomplished. This is inconsistent rhetoric to either silence Obama's opposition, and/or criticize Bush and conservatives. Seems like you just can't stand it when a non-liberal knows your playbook.

camper 5 years, 9 months ago

Lawrenceguy 40. Boycotting Sweedish products is really one of the last things on my mind. One could critique almost every Nobel selection, but President Obama did say he was humbled and not quite sure he was deserving. If this is the case, the fact that the president wants to live up to this honor is a good thing.

As far as the two wars, Marion, it will be interesting to see how the new administration will disengage from these debacles. Obama campaigned to shift the emphasis from Iraq to Afghanistan, but I am hopeful that this will be reconsidered. We need to pull troops out of both affairs but also remain vigilant of terrorisim. This is no easy task, but it sure does not seem to be too long ago when Conservative commentators bemoaned the mess Clinton left Bush in Somalia. That affair is miniscule compared to what is now inherited.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Anti-Obama's discrediting the NPP...thats rich, it's also intellectually baseless.

Many "anti-Obamas" on this blog obviously feel bad for what has been done to the NPP. Direct your angst where it belongs: the Norwegian Nobel Committee. They're the one's who have cheapened the award by turning it into a political tool for socialist Europe.

But hey - it's their award. If they want to hand it out to people who they think have "captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future" then it's their call. Theres no denying the fact this is a new standard though. No one's ever got the NPP for allegedly changing the global mood. Before today, recipients actually had to do something.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Whynaut…

When the same Nobel Peace Prize is given to Yassar Arafat, Al Gore, and now given to Obama who hasn’t done anything to deserve it. It has become a Cracker Jack prize (Actually that might be a little high, since you actually have to buy a box and open it up to get the prize, which is more than Obama has done to earn this.)

The Nobel Peace prize was once a great honor and promoted peace, charity, and cooperation. Now, it is used to spite individuals which disagree with the Norwegians and other socialists (Bush), and to reward empty rhetoric. It is sad to see what the Nobel Peace Prize has become.

I bet you think ACORN can do no wrong, since they were originally a good organization (ignore any recent corruption).

sinverguenza 5 years, 9 months ago

Satirical says...

But both comments are supported by liberals, and therefore I correctly labeled them as “liberal logic.”


Not supported by me, and I'm a liberal, not supported by those who didn't claim both sentiments, but who happen to be liberal. The latter portion of your argument is supported by those who made that claim, who may happen to be liberal. Not by liberals as a whole. Perhaps you should revisit your necessary and sufficient conditions before making such a broad argument. But of course I understand that would defeat your purpose, which is to condemn anything a liberal might say.

"Liberals hold both the view that America should be proud when an American POTUS is honored, and that this award is more a slap against Bush than for anything Obama has actually accomplished."

While SOME liberals might think this is more a slap against Bush, you can't claim those liberals to be the majority, nor can you claim that sentiment is reflective of a mainstream liberal ideology.

Seems to me like you just can't stand to take an argument or stance for what it is and who it is from without trying to twist it into something that fits your anit-liberal playbook.

Boosh 5 years, 9 months ago

Mental Image...

All the "spit takes" this morning :)

georgiahawk 5 years, 9 months ago

Laughter, poor conservatives, laughter, does it really hurt that much, laughter. You guys are funny! Jealous, but still funny!

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 9 months ago

Anyone else hear about Marge Simpson making the cover of Playboy?

camper 5 years, 9 months ago

The anti Obama people are sometimes putting politics in front of Country. I saw the cheering when America did not get the Olympic bid. Some of them really want to see America fail in order to confirm ideaology (which can never change sadly). I used to hear what they said, but now I just go about my business and tune them out.

remember_username 5 years, 9 months ago

The posts are flying back and forth today! Very enjoyable, and making for an entertaining Friday.

I too thought the award "oddly timed", but then I bothered to read the actual announcement. While the presenters awarded the prize to Mr. Obama as POTUS they clearly considered his influences as President Elect and possibly even candidate for office. The award is not for what has been "accomplished physically", but for the hard won change in policy and attitude toward the . That's when I felt real good about it.

I felt good because it feels like a little bit of that prize belongs to those of us who voted to support that change in international policy, and who continue to make the effort to keep the hope of a better world alive. I can understand the anger and resentment of others who feel as if the Nobel Peace Prize was tarnished by this presentation, because as opponents of the current administration they can feel no other way.

Congratulations to President Obama, and to everyone taking responsibility for making the world a more peaceful place.

Mandie Eutsler 5 years, 9 months ago

"imastinker (Anonymous) says…

Bozo - I agree completely.

Now, I feel so unclean after having said that."

...well, you are a stinker...

remember_username 5 years, 9 months ago

"policy and attitude toward the"

should be "policy and attitude toward international politics".

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

"Let's not forget, he bombed the moon."

Funny!

tbaker, "this tends to box-in the President and limit his options and/or limits his ability to govern from the middle"

How? Just because Europeans might want our President to act one way or another doesn't mean the President will just because they gave him an award. That is true whether it is Obama or any previous presidents. I can't think of any president who would ever change their decisions because they believe they might have to return an award. That just seems goofy. I think you are imagining the influence of this award in a way that doesn't ring true.

Obama will continue to do his job just as he had before, but now he might have just that tiniest bit of added influence to get world leaders to follow his lead. This is a good thing. Further, if people are saying good things about us around the world because of this award, then perhaps -- and I might be reaching here, but I don't really believe so -- perhap it might be a little harder for our enemies to recruit young people to strap on explosive vests in an attempt to kill our soldiers. Hopefully it will have that affect.

However, I agree with you that this is premature and that he hasn't done enough yet to deserve the award.

lg40: "I urge people never to buy another swedish product again. That includes all those anti-American drivers of saabs and volvos."

Not the brightest bulb on the marquee, now are you? No more Swiss cheese for you!

I'll bet you are the kind of guy who ordered "Freedom" Fries, and still won't use Heinz ketchup, aren't you?

You bring to mind the George Carlin line: "Consider how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of them are even dumber than that." (paraphrased)

roosmom 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure how I feel about it. I just know the GOP will keep the focus on this and not health care because they don't want it to pass. Is there a reward for "non" peace keeping? If so give it to the GOP. The comments coming out of their mouths are gross.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Camper - I agree. I saw the same thing and found it just as objectionable.

I don't want him to fail, just wise up. He is being poorly served by a number of people on his staff. The left-side of his party is also not doing him any favors. Soon his poll numbers will be so low he'll have a hard time getting anything through a congress full of people worried about their re-election next year.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

roosmom - Health care reform that adds to our mountain of debt shouldn't pass. We can't afford it.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sinverguenza… “Not supported by me, and I'm a liberal, not supported by those who didn't claim both sentiments, but who happen to be liberal. The latter portion of your argument is supported by those who made that claim, who may happen to be liberal. Not by liberals as a whole.”

I don’t have to prove every single liberal who believes that Americans should be proud when the POTUS is given this award also believes this prize is more about animus towards Bush. Many liberals believe both of these statements, respectively (which I proved). Simply because YOU or some liberals don’t support both of these statement simultaneously doesn’t disprove that these are widely held beliefs by liberals. Again, you seem to not understand what the idea of common beliefs or logic amongst a group. To be a liberal or conservative doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything the majority does.

Since you implicitly admit the inconsistency in the statement, the only way you can defend both statements made by many liberals is by claiming one of the statements is completely wrong. So in your opinion, every liberal who thinks this prize is more about animus towards Bush, doesn’t think Americans should be proud by this award? Because if they did, it would be inconsistent which I have already pointed out.

If you are a liberal who thinks Americans should be proud, then you cannot disagree with a conservative (or a liberal) who thinks is about animus towards Bush, (whether you agree with their assessment or not) and by our logic you must agree with their decision in not being proud since this is disrespectful to a former POTUS. So by holding your position you support those who do not honor the POTUS for getting this award (which is contrary to your position that all Americans should be proud)

I don’t have to twist anything. Both statements were repeatedly made by liberals. You are just sore that I pointed out the obvious and clear contradiction. If you disagree with the liberals who thinks this award has anything to do with Bush (which you must based on the fact you claim there is no inconsistency), then why have you not yet voiced that opinion?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"No one's ever got the NPP for allegedly changing the global mood. "

Actually, I think that's the most common quality of past winners. I mean, what did Martin Luther King ever actually do aside from agitate against the powers that were?

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Correction: "If you disagree with the liberals who think this award has anything to do with Bush (which you must based on the fact you claim there is inconsistency), then why have you not yet voiced that opinion?"

beawolf 5 years, 9 months ago

remember_username (Anonymous) says… "Lawrenceguy40 - The peace prize originates from Norway not Sweden."..

Ignore him. He rarely gets his facts right, will make up stuff and disappears when you him call out. But this one is really funny.

On topic: I think a lot of us are overlooking this very simple justification. The world is looking at the US under a totally different light, and as Americans we are too close to the forest to see the trees. "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the Norwegian committee said in its statement announcing the prize.

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

tabaker - I'm referring to those calling the NPP a 'cracker jack' prize. Am I wrong to assume that that is an attempt to discredit it or minimize it's influence?

Look at the history of the prize, who it's gone to, and why. It's not unprecedented for the NPP committee to use it as an attempt to influence the global political climate.

Controversial leaders such as Kissinger, Arafat, and Gobachev, who, during their leadership may well have done more to promote conflict than to bring an end to it, received the award anyway, because each did something during their career that did indicate a move toward peaceful resolution in some way.

Don't you think rewarding these three in particular was more of a political move to influence the decisions of future leaders than it was to reward their lifelong efforts for peace?

I think what's got the antiBamists' panties all wadded up right now is a lack of concrete results of all his aspiring promises. Tis true, as acknowledged by the man himself:

"In a brief statement in the White House Rose Garden on Friday, the president said he does not 'view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments,' but rather as a recognition of goals he has set for the United States and the world." - foxnews.com

The thing is, he has accomplished something. He has largely restored our image. And he's done it by speaking like a rational, level headed, progressive leader of a world power that, for quite some time (pre Bush II administration not excluded) had seen itself as nothing shy of untouchable, and represented itself to the rest of the world thusly.

In order to cure the wound, you have to stop the bleeding. In order to stop the bleeding, you have to enlist the support of others. In order to enlist the support of others, you have to be worth supporting. Obama's ideas, however unrealized, are but a first step in what is undoubtedly going to be a very long recovery process.

Apparently, the NPP committee sees this first step as deserving of their esteemed prize. Personally, I don't. I would have dug a little deeper for a person or organization a little more dedicated to apolitical humanitarianism than one unavoidably steeped in the mire of international and U.S. politics. But it's not my award, and I'm an Obama supporter, so... what the hell. Salud!

It just irritates me that there are so many (well, at least so many outspoken) voices that are far quicker to jump on the shortfalls of a fledgling administration than to focus on the positive things that are being done, which thus far, has been the gradual shifting of the U.S. image as being a world leader to admire and respect, rather than an militaristic juggernaut with little respect for it's own power and it's influence on the rest of the world.

akuna 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey @cato_the_elder.

Are you saying that giving President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize demonstrates that the Nobel Committee member are America haters?

That's crazy talk. They might be Bush haters, with justifiable reasons. But America haters, that is extreme.

BTW - Bush did more damage to America domestically and internationally than any other President in our history. Maybe defending Bush should be considered America hating. After all, with all the damage the Bush/Cheney Administration did to this country it is hard to believe they actually like America.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sinverguenza..

Your argument would be valid if only one liberal declared statement (1) and every other liberals declared statement (2). If that were the case wouldn’t you agree that statement (2) would be the commonly held beliefs of liberals or “liberal logic?” Of course. The reason is because it is commonly held by many (not all) liberals.

However, that is not the case. Many liberals are supporting one or the other, or both of these statements. Therefore it can be concluded that both of these statements are commonly held beliefs of liberals or “liberal logic.” You are smart enough to see the inherent contradiction of these two statements, so the only way you can save face is by claiming one, or both statements don’t show any commonly held belief or “liberal logic.” However, as I have clearly shown numerous examples of liberals making each statement proves each statement is commonly held belief of liberals.

So, even if no liberals agree with both statements, doesn’t change the fact the two commonly held liberal beliefs are contradictory.

I appreciate the civil discussion.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

"One of you dems explain that one, please. Hillary is far more qualified for the job, based on experience, not talk."

41Bush 42Clinton 43Bush 44Clinton

24 years at least of the same two names. Appearance is not close to everything, but it matters a great deal. That would appear to be a problem.

devobrun 5 years, 9 months ago

bozo, MLK organized marches and marched in them.

He gave inspirational speeches that also made sense.

His dream of a world where his daughters would be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin was a stroke of genius. Too bad that the idea has been corrupted until beatings in Chicago are commonplace.

And finally, tragically, he died.

Gave the last full measure of his being. I'd say that he earned all the praise we can give him.

Obama? Lotta good he's done for Chicago school children.

sinverguenza 5 years, 9 months ago

Satirical (Anonymous) says…

Correction: “If you disagree with the liberals who think this award has anything to do with Bush (which you must based on the fact you claim there is inconsistency), then why have you not yet voiced that opinion?”

I thought I did - that was kind of the point of me addressing you in the first place (clearly a waste of time, you seem to be so angry you can't see straight - but that's not my problem and I'll let you work it out on your own). But don't continue to get your panties in a wad, Sat. I'm not sore, I simply tried to point out that you made a generalization about liberals that is false, as most generalizations are. I guess you can take it or leave it. I would like to know why this award upsets you so, but not enough to come back here and see if you can explain it. I kind of have the feeling it's not really about the award anyway, and more about you feeling like you're on the losing end of something. You aren't though. You really aren't, and maybe one day you'll see that.

Americans should be proud that one of their own has been honored by this prestigious award, an award which all who aren't bitter can recognize as a good thing as it truly does symbolize how America is gaining a better standing in the eyes of the world - with the help of our President.

USA! Good stuff, huh?

beawolf 5 years, 9 months ago

whynaut ,

Excellent post. You must, however consider your audience, when reading any responses to your posts. These are not rational, thought provoking debaters. They are fixated on their anti-Obama rhetoric and regurgitate whatever Beck spews forth. I'll give "satirical" points for intelligence but then take them away for "rambling and incoherence. "Tbaker " will often give me pause for thought for his logical assumptions and engages in good debate. The rest are mainly "whack jobs" who post to only to justify their egos.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

whynaut - Those who refer to the NPP as a "Cracker Jack Prize" either aren't able to express themselves - making the mistake of denigrating the award rather than the dopey logic used to award it in this instance - or they genuinely believe it is a "Cracker Jack Prize" in which case they are buffoons.

People are upset that the NPP can be won just for talking, albeit darn good "talking." No one denies the man's obvious gift for oratory. The fact remains the man hasn't done anything. Consequently, folks think the bar has been set to low and the award has been cheapened by this.

As Michael Moore said today, "Congratulations President Obama on the Nobel Peace Prize -- Now Please Earn it!"

BigPrune 5 years, 9 months ago

This award is almost as great as being Time Magazine's Man of the Year!

mr_right_wing 5 years, 9 months ago

It all seems pretty logical to me....

Ronald Regan has a big part in bankrupting Communism...no Nobel.

Barak Obama is doing his best to make the U.S.A. the new communist superpower of the world. He gets the prize.

Keep an eye on China Mr. President; that's our goal.

gphawk89 5 years, 9 months ago

"They are at risk of marginalizing and minimizing what has historically been one of the greatest honors in the history of the planet."

At risk?? They've already done it! Handing somebody that caliber of award for something they might (or might not) accomplish in the future... Unbelievable! Maybe they should award it to Bin Laden next year. After all, he potentially could change his ways and start trying to promote peace in the Middle East.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 9 months ago

This is sooooo much fun, watching the righteous republican rite flaunch and fume. Rush and Sara would be so proud of all you losers. Keep it going!!!

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Tbaker... “Those who refer to the NPP as a “Cracker Jack Prize” either aren't able to express themselves - making the mistake of denigrating the award rather than the dopey logic used to award it in this instance

Do not fall in the trap that whynaut has set, which is that those who label this a “Cracker Jack Prize” are disrespectful to its previous recipients. I do not denigrate those who have received this award and achieved great things, I mock the fact it is the Nobel Peace Prize but is awarded as the “Nobel Political Prize,” (i.e. if your politics aren’t the same as those awarding you can’t win it).

If the Nobel Peace Prize were given annually to the worst dictator would I be denigrating the prize by calling it a prize for evil? Simply because previous recipient weren’t evil doesn’t mean things can’t and don’t change. Recently the logic used to award this prize makes it a Cracker Jack prize. But as I already stated, this too can change, and the award can regain its prestige and honor it deserves. Until then I will call it as I see it.

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Beawolf… “I'll give ‘satirical’ points for intelligence…”

Sweet! Can I use those points on cool LJWorld merchandise? Maybe a t-shirt with a big question mark that says, “Anonymous LJWorld blogger.”


“…but then take them away for rambling and incoherence.” - beawolf

Which reminds me of a time when I was attacked by space aliens and got a free t-shirt…

sfjayhawk 5 years, 9 months ago

This does diminish the NPP a bit - no question about it. But it sure is fun to see the right wing wackjobs freak out about it.

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

tbaker - he is a smooth talker for sure. But I'm more impressed with his content than with his delivery. And of course, it won't mean jack squat if he doesn't follow through with any of it. Should that be the case, history will likely remember him as the biggest blowhard to occupy the oval office.

Nothing wrong with being hopeful though right? Afterall, he's less than a quarter into his first term. He's got about 300% more time in office than he's spent so far. Plenty of time to see some of these lofty goals through don't you think? Provided that the extremists in congress, right and left, don't sabotage reasonable legislation for the sole purpose of crippling the opposing party, as they're known to do (check out this shameful story, http://rawstory.com/2009/10/rachel-maddow-exclusive-cracking-heads-time-in-the-democratic-party/).

In any event, his rhetoric is exciting if not promising, which is more than I can say for the previous administration. Whether or not his heart is in the right place, time will tell. But the spirit of his words sure seem to be, and much of the country and world agree -- with his words.

I'm not blindly putting him on a pedestal any higher than he deserves. But laying the groundwork he has thus far has been an accomplishment in itself. I think most reasonable people are anxious to see if he'll follow through, while the unreasonable are content to whine and make jabs about the fact that he hasn't done much yet.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Satirical: The award itself has been and remains prestigious. I think we're on the same page...

Those who earn it, and what they earn it for (Arafat for killing Jews, Gore for a Power Point Presentation, etc) are often not prestigious.

I know a whole bunch of people running around with Bronze Stars who did little more than make coffee for a year. I know a guy wearing the Purple Heart who slipped in the shower and cracked a rib (a near-by mortar round startled him). The Medal of Honor was handed out in the Civil War for just re-enlisting.

In spite of these obvious mistakes which definitely (but temporarily) cheapen the award, these awards remain very prestigious, just like the NPP does. Personally, I think this is going to cause more problems for the President than any admiration may be worth. The left is even dog-piling on this one. Geez...

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Sinverguenza… “I thought I did…”

You called out liberals who claimed this award has something to do with Bush?

“I simply tried to point out that you made a generalization about liberals that is false,” - sin

I was not making a generalization because I did not say ALL liberals hold 'X' point of view. I said many do, which I supported with evidence. See the difference? Probably not….

“I would like to know why this award upsets you so” – sin

Repeating myself ad naseum is getting old. Try reading next time. I think all this attention to Obama lack of accomplishments is great. And find all the self adulation of liberals entertaining given the fact Obama doesn’t deserve this prize.

“I kind of have the feeling it's not really about the award anyway, and more about you feeling like you're on the losing end of something.” - sin

I think the world does lose something when an award with the recognition of the Nobel Peace Prize, it is all too often (especially recently) awarded as the Nobel Political Prize.

Oh, and BTW, I don't get upset when I ague. Like politics, I treat it like a game.

Ronda Miller 5 years, 9 months ago

"The Medal of Honor was handed out in the Civil War for just re-enlisting."

That one caught my eye. I would think that would be worth a medal of honor if anything was......

Satirical 5 years, 9 months ago

Tbaker…

I see your point. However, I think the difference between the awards you mentioned and the Nobel Peace Prize, is that in the case of the former, the “cheapening” of the award was an exception, or was temporary in duration; however, I do not see an end when the Nobel Peace Prize isn’t handed out to the “most influential liberal/socialist” of the year. If this trend changes then I agree that the award will regain its prestige, and these exceptions will not permanently tarnish this award’s proud history. But as of now, because of recent events which have so denigrated its original purpose, I am forced to see it as little more than a token until things change.

Thank you for the civil discussion.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 9 months ago

"Maybe that's why this, from Michelle Obama:

“For the first time, I can actually say I am proud of Norway.”"

No way! Did she really say that? How about that for diplomacy? :)

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Satirical - Ditto. Thanks.

Oldenuf2byurdad: LMAO!

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

vanguard3 - You mean that awful battle during the War of Northern Aggression?

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

tbaker, you know you agreed with Michael Moore, don't you? Commie.

lg40: "I know all you unpatriotic America haters are reveling in this ..."

I couldn't agree more, and I include you as one of those unpatriotic American haters. You are upset because others in the world recognize our President for his leadership and wisdom. How unAmerican can you get? This is a good thing for America! Deal with it!

If anyone feels that Obama was given this award just because he isn't Bush, I can prove you wrong. Would the award also have gone to McCain? I heard throughout the election that McCain wasn't just like Bush, so surely he would have won the Nobel too, correct? Or am I mistaken and McCain really was the same as Bush?

Obama won the award because he offers a new way for an American President to be approaching the world. For most Americans living today, that is a good thing.

However, if you still think he won just because he isn't Bush, then blame yourselves. You voted Bush into office -- TWICE!

whynaut 5 years, 9 months ago

You're right Tom. 3-4k dead in 5 years. No biggie.

Writing on the wall? Please, do tell of this writing. Gotta scram for the eve, but I'll be sure to check back tomorrow for your enlightened, thoughtful, and balanced view points.

tbaker 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey beatrice - You're right. I agreed with him. In this rare instance, it'd be pretty hard not to. Even a broken clock is right two times a day.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

devobrun (Anonymous) says…

"bozo, MLK organized marches and marched in them.

He gave inspirational speeches that also made sense."

No argument from me-- but that definitely falls within the category of "agitating." His job was all about changing the national as well as the global mood. Look at the list of Nobel laureates-- it would appear to me that most of them are not politicians, but rather leaders of social movements, and their main goal was to change people's moods, which to me means changing the way they think about themselves and those around them.

"And finally, tragically, he died."

Probably not voluntarily, but not many do.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"No way! Did she really say that? How about that for diplomacy? :)"

On the off-hand chance that you actually believe she did, the answer is "no."

Scott Drummond 5 years, 9 months ago

"Brilliant as always, scottie."

Avoiding the point as usual, nota.

password 5 years, 9 months ago

When I think of the Nobel Peace Prize I think of Albert Schweitzer as one of the most deserving winners. IMO Uncle Albert: These pictures are very so amazing. http://www.magnumphotos.com/archive/c.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.StoryDetail_VPage&pid=2TYRYDDWI3V8

rabb 5 years, 9 months ago

Lawrence seems to have become a very sad place.
Don't you people actually see each other out and about? Do you argue and fight and piss and moan like this in public? Do you ever get together and have fun or are you all this argumentative? How pathetic is it to get online and argue anonymously with the people in your community? Don't you all buy goods and services from each other everyday?
Are you this uncivilized in person? Lawrence can't be this nasty, can it? Good thing I moved before I had to witness it in person. Go to Free State and have some beers. All of you. Now. Go. Please. Go.

password 5 years, 9 months ago

rabb - are you buying? sounds good to me!

purplesage 5 years, 9 months ago

This totally eviscerates all sense of credibility from the Nobel Peace Prize, revelaing political correctness as the criteria for selection. Obama is all about the presentation; it would appear the prize is, too.
To be a Nobel Laureate has forever been cheapened.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

Vanguard: Just one of the reasons, not the only. I think the major reason so many pulled for Obama was because he put on the best show in the election, and because McCain totally blew it in the last few months. I had planned on voting for McCain, because Obama in the White House with a Dem controlled Congress sounded eerily reminiscent of 2000-2006, just the opposite ideology. In the end, I couldn't stomach voting for him and the modern Republican Politics of Fear, and since it didn't matter at all if I voted for Obama, being in KS, I decided, with still unresolved reservations, that was the way to go.

I'm gonna pop off here, now. It's a Friday night, I think this award is stupidly premature, and will do him no good, and this thread has progressed too far for moderation to do much of anything.

Just thoughts.

ridinthefence 5 years, 9 months ago

Face it, he is a dream after living with 2 consecutive never-ending terms with george.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 8 months ago

Obama didn't ask for the prize. Remember that. Bush didn't just leave this country in disarray, he also left a LOT of hard feelings from other countries toward America (remember "Freedom Fries"?) Obama hit the ground running, mending fences like a one armed paper hanger (to mix a few metaphors). By the way, Mike Huckabee is warning the GOP not to criticize this award. And THIS is how the left is viewing the right these days. I want this man for our next President badly. I can't wait to hear his take on the Nobel.

Some of you will give this a BOO! I give it a BOOYAH!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

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shotgun 5 years, 8 months ago

Wow! I can't recall Americans ever being so obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize winner! There is only one explanation. Hatred!

And also all of you Reganites, Norway could give a rats a$$ about the things you see as Regan attributes!

RobertMarble 5 years, 8 months ago

BREAKING NEWS: Obama just won the Emmy for "Best Press Conference." And the Academy just gave him an Oscar for a PowerPoint presentation he's going to make about world peace. And evidently he won a pro bowling contest in Milwaukee, a bass fishing contest in Arkansas, a blue ribbon for the biggest squash at the Iowa State Fair, the jackpot in the Megamillions lotto, and a poetry contest in Sheboygan. Also won the Heismann trophy and voted MVP of the next Superbowl, and the Congressiona Medal of Honor for courage under fire in both Vietnam and the Battle of the Alamo. Our Great Leader Comrade Obama is a supergenius who knows all and tirelessly works for the common good of mankind. This is not rigged at all to promote a political position but rather a celebration of Obama's vast accomplishments, which are still in progress but surely will be astounding.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Somebody's got a twitchy finger on the "suggest removal" button this morning.

kslw56 5 years, 8 months ago

I love how "Kenyons" are so proud of one of their own winning the prize, oh wait, he was born in Hawaii. Gee, Kenyons are confused about their favorite son being born there, wonder why we are too?

beatrice 5 years, 8 months ago

Does posting a bunch of pictures you stole from other websites qualify as a "blog"?

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