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Islam infiltrating, deceiving U.S.

October 1, 2009

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If you are an enemy of America seeking her destruction, you would add to your pursuit of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons the undermining of this nation from within. You would do this largely through deception, putting on a peaceful face while subtly plotting ways to bring America down.

That tactic was on display last Friday in Washington as a crowd estimated at 3,000 Muslims gathered to pray. The organizer of the rally, Imam Abdul Malik of Brooklyn, N.Y., told Americans what we like to hear: “What we’ve done today, you couldn’t do in any Muslim country. If you prayed on the palace lawn there, they’d lock you up.”

As reported by The Washington Times Sadara Shaw, a resident of Washington, D.C., was quoted as saying “It’s a show of solidarity to show all Muslims are not terrorists but law-abiding citizens.” That is probably true, but irrelevant since it takes only a small number of terrorists to cause havoc.

“We believe in America’s possibilities,” Malik told the crowd. “We didn’t come to criticize our nation ... I want the American people to know that we love you.”

The Imam’s Facebook page tells a different story. But only The Times bothered to look at it. While Malik’s Facebook shows him dressed in Western clothing, he attended the ceremony dressed as a sheik. That seems more appropriate to the real Imam Malik, because on his Web page he has written: “Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the vices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy...”

Which Imam is telling the truth and which is practicing deception?

President Obama says Iran has been building a second nuclear enrichment plant. Oh, but Iran will allow in U.N. and possibly even American inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says she expects the Iranians will tell us exactly what they are up to at a gathering of six foreign ministers in Geneva on Friday. But hasn’t Ahmadinejad already said? All of that nuclear material is to heat, cool and light the homes of peace-loving Iranians. What else is there to discuss?

Iran has about as much credibility as North Korea and Venezuela. Iran reportedly will help Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez mine uranium in his country. Chavez denies it, of course. And when he is forced to admit it, he will claim it is for peaceful purposes. Memo to President Obama: radical, fundamentalist Muslims believe they have a religious duty to lie and deceive “infidels.” Chavez has more secular motivations for his untruths.

Has anyone noticed the apparent uptick in terrorist activity? In addition to the above, the Justice Department has brought charges in three “unrelated” bomb plots. In the most serious case, Najibullah Zazi, an airport shuttle driver from Denver, was indicted in New York on charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction against persons or property in the United States. Authorities last week also arrested a 19-year-old Jordanian citizen, Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, and accused him of trying to blow up a downtown Dallas skyscraper. And an Illinois man, Michael C. Finton (aka Talib Islam) was ordered held last week on charges he tried to blow up a federal building in the state’s capital.

Are we being infiltrated and surrounded by people who want us dead and our country destroyed? Try a little experiment, Google “Islam near” and then type in the name of any city or town. When I tried the small town of Bryn Mawr, Pa., 10 Islamic-related sites came up. In larger cities, there are as many, or more. Deception is part of the terrorists’ battle strategy. Who are you going to believe, the public Imam Malik of the prayer gathering, or the Imam Malik of the Facebook page?

Comments

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

“Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the vices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy...”

Substitute "Christian" for "Islam," and this could have been written by any number of Cal's fundy preacher buddies, or even Cal himself.

And WTF does Iran or terrorist activity have to do with this Imam? Cal shows no link, either direct or indirect, between them.

georgiahawk 5 years, 2 months ago

Watch out Cal, their out to get ya! But be careful because as we all know, paranoia will destroy ya!

I think the only solution to maintaining Cal's idea of America is to do away with the constitution and deny Islam freedom of religion. After all, America is Christian God's (new testament God) chosen country, sorry Isreal you are old testament God's choice (by the way, how has that worked for you?), step out of the way!

mickeyrat 5 years, 2 months ago

While this does not directly address Cal's paranoia, when I think of terrorism as a method of engaging conflict, I think of the goals of terrorism. It is to create panic in a nation, to cause it to overreact; terrorism seeks to make its target become brutal, with the goal of making the target nation/government less popular and less capable of keeping domestic and international support.

Tellingly (for me, at least), terrorism is the weapon of choice for groups who can NOT defeat their perceived enemy by ANY other means.

America is the freedom and liberty we grant one another: freedom of movement, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from arbitrary arrest, censure, torture. I for one do not believe we must destroy America to save her.

Bin Laden pulls strings, Cal dances right into his hands.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

mickeyrat-- as Tom will tell you, anyone who disagrees with Cal must naively hate America.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

Tom choreographs yet another dazzling performance of the Dance of the Straw Men.

Bravo! Author! Author!

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

Now THAT's the epitome of 'fear mongering'. Peeeeuuuu, Cal, that was an awful piece of writing.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 2 months ago

The Fear-Monger-in-Chief doesn't like competition. I except some SEIU thugs will be sent to sort things out.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 2 months ago

Half of what he wrote was pure religious bigotry.

"Substitute “Christian” for “Islam,” and this could have been written by any number of Cal's fundy preacher buddies, or even Cal himself."

Which, interestingly enough, is exactly what Muslims are saying about western influence on the other side of the globe.

It is American to try and influence others to believe what you believe. That's a natural result of freedom. Truth always comes out on top in a truly free society. That's why this Christian is not afraid.

Cal took two distinctly different things - jihadist Islam and religious Islam - and passed them off as one concept. That's about as legitimate as saying that every Christian wanted to shoot George Tiller, or that we all want to protest at gay funerals.

Cal Thomas is weak in American values.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 2 months ago

I wonder of the right wingers could link the wetlands to Islam? Actually, I know that they could very easily, I just can't believe they haven't thought of it yet. Their SLT proposals would gain national strength if they would just start using their paranoia instead of allowing Rush, Cal, and that one guy with the long blond hair and way-long fingers, to lead them around by their nose rings.

It's a stretch but so is everything else that they throw out there. And the huddled masses eat it up because they "seen it on TayVay".

C'mon rightwingers. Does this little indian boy have to think of everything for you? Geez.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

"You three need to become nationally syndicated political columnists then, right?"

Yes, like Richard Pitts. Right, Muse of Hypocrisy?

/do you like your new name? I'm not going to call you right thinker anymore, I bet that makes you happy, right?

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

And another score on my headline game! Saw it in most discussed, and just knew somehow the name Cal Thomas was gonna be at the top of it.

ksdivakat 5 years, 2 months ago

I have a question for anyone out there, and this is no slam to the left or to the right, just curiosity, but, didnt we just see all over the news the people that they arrested right here who were planning an attack in NY again around the anniversary of Sept 11th? If this is tru, how can it be "fearmonging?" I would think that would be telling stories that are not true, but the media is reporting what is true, so what gives with that? Do some of you not believe that there are terrorists right here in the US who want to kill you and all your family? When was the last time a "christian" gassed hundreds of thousands of people? When was the last time a christian killed thousands of people at one time? Are you guys referring to 1000 years ago, or the present? Im just curious, I see the same people saying the same thing, that christianity and Islam are equally violent, and Id like to know how, modern day please, not something from 2000 years ago, and thanks for all the answers I know that I will receive.

puddleglum 5 years, 2 months ago

snap sez: The Fear-Monger-in-Chief doesn't like competition..........

dude, bush is no longer in office.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

"Im just curious, I see the same people saying the same thing, that christianity and Islam are equally violent, and Id like to know how, modern day please, not something from 2000 years ago"

Ever hear of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama?

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat: The one that comes immediately to mind is the genocide against Bosnian muslims by Bosnian serbs, who generally adhered to the Serbian Orthodox (Christian) Church. That was not 1000 years ago, more like ten (?). A few decades ago, rather than hearing about Islamic terrorism you'd hear about Irish terrorism, which was entirely a Christian issue (on it's public face, at least), between the Catholics and the Protestants.

I won't say that the religions are equally violent, certainly not now. That's all dependent on how you qualify your numbers, and will get us nowhere. You, for instance, are equating Islam with Saddam Hussein, it seems. As far as I recall, Hussein had a relatively secular government, not a religious one, so I'm not sure how you can add in his totals other than simply by racial divisions.

You will also, likely, Not count certain things. What would happen, say, if you decided to include deaths of both muslim soldiers and civilians at the hands of the United States Military (I'd bet it's predominantly Christian), in a questionable war for potentially political motives with questionable justification and little defensive value? Your numbers might go up a bit. You may say that has nothing to do with religion, but then likely neither did the actions by Hussein. (Bush also said at least once that he had conversations with God)

Africa and the Middle East are our most unstable and dangerous regions, where a great percentage of violent catastrophes are occuring. They also happen to have a large Islamic percentage of the population. You can equate those two if you'd like, but it's probably a pretty dangerously simplistic comparison to make, all things considered.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

BUSHCO dropped the ball big time on 9/11/01. talk about incompetent. Gen Hayden had the critters a few blocks from his NSA headquarters..... guess he was confused as to how to handle known terrorists so he did not authorize the FBI to proceed.

The RINO foreign policy is the problem:

Republican foreign policy which openly advocates for total global military domination and one that must be squashed.

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a neo-conservative think tank with strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute. PNAC's web site says it was “established in the spring of 1997” as “a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.”

PNAC's policy document, “Rebuilding America's Defences,” openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members hold highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration.

PNAC members in prominent government positions:

Dick Cheney Vice President

Donald Rumsfeld Former Secretary of Defense

Douglas J. Feith (former) Undersecretary of Defense

I. Lewis Libby Vice President Cheney’s former Chief of Staff and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs.

Aaron Friedberg Vice President Cheney’s deputy National Security advisor

Robert Zoelick US Deputy Secretary of State

Paula Dobriansky Undersecretary of State

Elliott Abrams Deputy National Security Adviser

Frank Gaffney Pentagon's Defense Policy Board

Fred C. Ikle Pentagon's Defense Policy Board

Eliot A. Cohen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board

Henry S. Rowen Pentagon's Defense Policy Board

William J. Bennett Presidential speech writer

Jeb Bush Former Governor of Florida

Paul Wolfowitz World Bank President

John Bolton Ambassador to the U.N.

Zalmay Khalilzad U.S. ambassador to Iraq

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

http://oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

ksdivakat 5 years, 2 months ago

ok, not quite what I was looking for...to me the article is talking about right here in the US, not around the world, so right here in the US, when was the last time "christians" murdered thousands or even hundreds of people, in the name of christianity? Solely in the name if Christianity? And also what abotu the fearmonging thing? I thought that meant that the media was telling lies so that it made people afraid of muslims and islam, but in this case the media is telling the truth so how is it fearmonging?? I jsut dont understand is all, and Im just looking for clarification, not insults.

geekin_topekan 5 years, 2 months ago

Lessee, when christianity came to the shores of north america it resolved to wipe out the millions of people that lived here and call it "civilizing" them. The existing culture was declared "heathenism" and therefore evil in the eyes of god. After adopting their style of living (freedom and democracy) it proceeded with a genocide.

Other than that, I believe that the 9/11 attacks were the second time a foreign terror crossed our borders but(you are correct, its been awhile), the first time that a christian based mass slaughter happened on this continent.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

"to me the article is talking about right here in the US, not around the world, so right here in the US, when was the last time “christians” murdered thousands or even hundreds of people, in the name of christianity?"

1995, Tim McVeigh, OKC, OK.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 2 months ago

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace "He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause" Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2009.09.30 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A local village head is murdered by Muslim gunmen. 2009.09.30 (Jolo, Philippines) - Abu Sayyaf terrorists kill three soldiers riding in a vehicle, including two American seamen. 2009.09.29 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Ten children and seven women are among thirty people killed when religious extremists bomb a passenger bus. 2009.09.29 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist woman is among two people killed when Islamic 'insurgents' spray a home with automatic weapons fire. 2009.09.29 (Pattani, Thailand) - Islamic radicals gun down a civilian in a drive-by. 2009.09.29 (Baramulla, India) - Islamic militants cut down three police standing guard at a bus station.

MyName 5 years, 2 months ago

Democracy is not revelation, and democracy does not equal freedom, for in democracy you have apartheid, you have slavery, you have homosexuality, you have lesbianism, you have gambling, you have all of the vices that are against the spirit of truth; so no we don’t want to democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy...

take "Islam" and "Islamize" and replace it with "Christianity" and "Christianize" and you have the same platform as any other right wing religious loon in this country.

Cal Thomas isn't mad because Islam is scary. He's mad because the Imam is moving in on his territory.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 2 months ago

The Stealth Jihaid now playing at a Masque near you.

georgiahawk 5 years, 2 months ago

So, Cal has identified a problem; all people of islamic faith, regardless of what they say, are out to destroy America. What is the solution? Easy, 1) we deny all new immigrants of Islamic faith entry into the US unless they pass a test, possibly a "voluntary" denouncement of their religion and a "voluntary" baptism into the church of Cal's choice. 2) we will need to deal with the US citizens that are of Islamic faith, maybe they should be rounded up (or at least have their phones bugged and (not or) some good volunteer-vigilante-christian-types follow them around and keep them in check, we will need guns, and lots of them). 3) we can start a program where children report on their parents! This was proven to be very affective in the 50's.

We have no choice! The future of white America is at stake! Or worse, the future of Cal's America is at stake! Damn the constitution, damn our freedoms. Right wing America has spoken!

MyName 5 years, 2 months ago

How many Islamic fundamentalists who are citizens of this country (which is what Cal was talking about before he took that curve ball over to Iran) do those things you are talking about?

And where did it say that Abdul Malik of Brooklyn, N.Y. either did those things you are talking about, or advocated doing those things?

My point is that the people Cal complained are "infiltrating this country" seem to want exactly the same as the religious right. So either the Christian right is also "infiltrating" this country or the Islamic fundamentalists are just as normal as the Christian fundamentalists.

jimmyjms 5 years, 2 months ago

Organized religion of any type is for the weak minded who desire to be led by power-hunger hypocrites.

meggers 5 years, 2 months ago

Is Cal suggesting a repeat of Japanese internment camps, only with Muslim Americans held prisoner instead of Japanese Americans?

There are countless groups and individuals that have their own idea of what American values should consist of, based on their personal beliefs- Christians, Catholics, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Socialists, Capitalists, etc. Apparently, Cal wants Muslim Americans to be excluded from the same First Amendment rights the rest of us enjoy. What a patriot.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat: "ok, not quite what I was looking for…to me the article is talking about right here in the US, not around the world, so right here in the US, when was the last time “christians” murdered thousands or even hundreds of people, in the name of christianity? Solely in the name if Christianity?"

That's an. . . . awful lot of qualifiers. I would suggest that even the last incident the other way 'round, 9/11 if I'm guessing your thought process, was not truly motivated "solely" by or in the name of Islam, but also by the perception of US foreign policy, our continued military presence in their land, grinding poverty forced on them by the kings that we do business with, etc. Bin Laden might say it's all about holy war, but Bin Laden is a liar and a manipulator (if he's still alive).

Like I said before, I resist the comparison between religions. My philosophy is that religion simply doesn't make a difference past strength in numbers. Good people will be good people, bad will be bad, selfish selfish etc. Trying to ask how many Christians have done those things on American soil ignores the fact that as a whole Americans are generally (comparatively) fed, employed, clothed, healthy, fat and happy. Our people have no motivation to join fringe groups or commit lawless acts of this nature, and our defenses are enough to generally, with few exceptions keep out or catch those who would.

Since I have not, to my recollection, ever insulted you in any discussion I've had with you, I also have to wonder at your preemptory announcement. As a rule, I do not bring that style of play unless I see it already occuring or have it brought against me first.

MyName 5 years, 2 months ago

McVeigh did not kill for religious reasons as do Muslims.

I think you're right about McVeigh and wrong about Muslims. Osama bin Ladin used religion to justify his political ideas. The proof is that he didn't attack Switzerland, or Denmark, or Belgium, or a number of other countries that are more "Christian" than the U.S. (at least as far as the state religion goes).

He attacked the U.S. for political reasons and used his particular interpretation of the Islamic religion to motivate and control his followers.

ksdivakat 5 years, 2 months ago

Jonas, the insult comment was not directed to you, its just that any time you(meaning anyone) disagrees with the left it seems, they tend to insult people for not believing the way they do. By the way, I hope you are recvoering well from your back surgery. I just really wanted to know more about the "fearmonging" thing than anything else, its honestly a word I dont understand and just wanted some clarification, I thought fearmonging meant that the media was playing on peoples fears and saying things that were not true, but this whole business about terrorists IS true, so how is that fearmonging? And I could be totally off base with what it really means, thats why Im looking for clarification, so that I understand it better. Sorry for the confusion, its been a long day here!

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, I am recovering pretty well.

I would suggest, though, that insults towards anyone who disagrees is not solely the province of the left. Perhaps you notice it a bit more because of your own political and social inclinations.

As for fearmongering, I won't deny that there are threats. To equate those threats with Islam or Muslims in general, as Cal does in this article, and support it with one person and then a twist into international politics absolutely Is fearmongering. Cal has an immense history of fearmongering, as well as hypocritically complaining about it when coming from the other side. Really, that double standard is inherent in virtually all of Cal's writings about everything.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

Jonas, the insult comment was not directed to you, its just that any time you(meaning anyone) disagrees with the left it seems, they tend to insult people for not believing the way they do. By the way, I hope you are recvoering well from your back surgery. I just really wanted to know more about the “fearmonging” thing than anything else, its honestly a word I dont understand and just wanted some clarification, I thought fearmonging meant that the media was playing on peoples fears and saying things that were not true, but this whole business about terrorists IS true, so how is that fearmonging? And I could be totally off base with what it really means, thats why Im looking for clarification, so that I understand it better. Sorry for the confusion, its been a long day here! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The fearmongering part is the constant putting together all Muslims into the category of terrorist. The idea is that we should be scared or untrusting of anyone practicing Islam. It simply isn't true that all Muslims are terrorists waiting to kill you and your family nor is it true that all terrorists are Muslim. To be honest, this fearmongering in the media (and particularly in Cal's article) smacks of the propaganda against the Jews (Jews are just out for your money, they are sneaky and will rob you blind, etc).

I am also not sure why when you initially post on here with a question, you attempt to make it appear that you are wanting a politically neutral opinion and then when you don't get the answer that you are seeking, make some accusations about the "left" or "liberal" or what have you or move the goalposts on your question. It seems a bit like sandbagging people.

Why do you do that?

meggers 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat says "its just that any time you(meaning anyone) disagrees with the left it seems, they tend to insult people for not believing the way they do"

That's a mighty broad brush stroke you have there...

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that when people disagree about political ideology, some (not all) parties on either side of an argument sometimes resort to ad hominem attacks.

And I agree with you- terrorism is a very real threat from people that have a number of different motivations. Just because a terrorist happens to be a Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc. does not mean that religion is what motivated the actual act of terrorism. For instance, just because a lot burglars wear dark clothing does not mean that everyone with dark clothing on should be considered a potential burglar.

The fact is that there are millions of law abiding Muslim Americans in this country and to label them all as potential terrorists, or to imply that they are somehow the enemy is, indeed, fearmongering. When one considers that a great number of Muslim American soldiers have fought and died for our country, such blatant attempts to incite fear and bigotry against our fellow Americans borders on traitorous.

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

bozo:

McVeigh? Get outta the basement.

divakat:

The fear-mongering that springs from this particular op-ed comes from Cal's deliberate meld of Islamic extremists with the whole of Islam. It also doesn't help that his chosen tone for the piece is basically, "muslims are sneaky and shady and can't be trusted".

ksdivakat 5 years, 2 months ago

Katara and meggers, I outlined the question like that because it has been my experience on here, that if I give my opinion, it is the left or the liberal who come out and sling insults or talk down to me, I can only speak for myself, and nobody else, to date, claiming to be from the right or a conservative, has ever insulted me on here, and I can tell you Im not the only person who feels that way, ( Im not speaking for others, as I have not names names) but there are several people who comment on these articles, and I hear the same thing from them, how insults are hurled at them from people claiming to be left, democrat, liberal, whatever you call it, so yeah, Im gonna start out by saying that Im not trying to pick a fight, not trying to insult anyone and I dont want it either, but just a explaination about something I know little about, so that I can get the info I need to make my own decision. And just for the record, I am neither left, nor right, but rather an independent who wants to do the right thing, and I really dont care who comes up with the idea, if I like it then I like it and a persons political affiliation really matters none to me, but I am however capable of making an observation, and my experience has been not so good with those who claim to be left or democrats, thats all.

meggers 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat,

If you take a look around the site, I think you will find that there is a very vocal contingent on the right that regularly posts here, and who appear to have made liberal-bashing their life's work. As Jonas indicated, I think your objectivity might be overshadowed by your own personal views.

And since we're talking about our own personal experiences and not with any real objectivity, I have known quite a few people who claim to be independent, yet when it comes down to discussing ideology and policy, it becomes clear that they have pretty strong leanings one way or the other.

Based on the posts I've read from you, I suspect you tend to lean more to the right. Or perhaps you just listen more to right-leaning media and that's helped to shape some of your thinking. Sometimes, none of us are as objectively critical as we might like to be.

ksdivakat 5 years, 2 months ago

jaywalker, I absolutely agree with that! not all muslims are terrorists, and not all muslims want to kill Americans and destroy the US, and those who have that train of thought are radical and also insane, but I dont think like that, I thought the article said more to the fact that the media is the one who was fearmonging and that what the media said isnt true and thats why we have issues as a country with muslims, so thats why I posed the question...thank you for your response

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

ksdivakat: Well, my experience, as someone who also considers themselves to be independent, and neither right nor left, is that most of the insults I've had coming my way are from Conservatives, and I have a lot of people who agree with me.

Now, I'll show you why that is, for both you and I.

I am not firmly and absolutely right at the center. I admit that I lean left, maybe 10-15% of center at most, but it's definitely there, the same as, say, Jaywalker above counterbalances me to the right, but still relatively centrist. I've followed your posts to enough attention that I can say you, too, at least lean a bit to the right. Your general topical considerations, the things that you comment about, etc. are all going to put you in general opposition to the left, and in general alliance to the right. The fact that you don't post with fiendish frequency and are generally middle of the road doesn't put you on the radars of our conservative posters, and since you're generally on the same side as they in your commenting trends they haven't attacked you, just the left that you've crossed.

For myself, my general stances on religious practice (or, more accurately, when I see that practice become hypocrisy and bigotry), as well as my viewpoints on the flaws of Capitalism (many) in its current form, and on some types of social programs (Socialism!tm) tend to put me in opposition to the board conservatives, so they are the ones who primarily attack me. But my moderate stance, and the fact that I do post like a fiend on here, has shown me that its not the province of the right either.

I'd rather not name names, either, but I suggest that sometime you really take the time, if possible, to read some of the comments going the other way as you've paid attention to. Biggest problem is that 75% of them are the worst on both sides laying into each other, but those on either side, when they hit up against anyone else as well, will use the same tactics on them.

Shane Garrett 5 years, 2 months ago

They way I see it the West has been the enemy for many years. It started when the west began trying to establish a Jewish homeland. Then fuel was added when in the 1970s-1980s Preidents. Nixon through Carter supported the Shah of Iran. And more fuel was added when we supported Saddam Hussian against Iran after the revolution in Iran brought Khomeini to power. Then along came Bin Laden, a follower of the Wahhabi branch of Islam. Which some say is a branch of the Sunni Sect. And of course lets not forget the students of god,Teliban, and the Al-qaeda. The students of god were US supported to fight against the Russians. Now, the question is there a threat inside America from islamic terrorist? The quick and simple answer is yes there is a possibility that islamic terrorist want to hurt America. But then is the Rev. Wright a threat to America? How about John Ayres? Hell, some believe Rush is a threat to America. The question we should each be asking is what do we want America to become, and what are the threats to our objectives to acheive that goal. We have met the enemy and he is us.

Kathy Getto 5 years, 2 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

You three need to become nationally syndicated political columnists then, right?


I would imagine either of the three could do a better job than Cal in this instance. I had to go back and make sure it was written by Cal - thought for sure Dolph was pinch-hitting.

Islam is not a threat - extremism is.

KansasVoter 5 years, 2 months ago

All religions are a threat to America, and especially to world peace. Earth will be a better place once everyone stops believing in silly superstitions.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Who are "the Islams", logrithmic of the right?

grammaddy 5 years, 2 months ago

Not all muslims are terrorrists. Not all Americans are Christian. Why can't we all just TRY to get along? Religion is just another venue for fighting. KansasVoter is spot on!!!

ivalueamerica 5 years, 2 months ago

exchange Fundamentalist Christianity for Islam, and you will have a point.

I am a Christian, but I need no religion deciding how to run my government, Islam nor Christian.

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

jonas,

Liked your 4:31. Have started that same basic post a few times and could never force my way through it.

Orwell 5 years, 2 months ago

If you are an enemy of America seeking her destruction, you would endlessly pursue undermining of this nation from within by trying to set Americans against each other on racial and religious grounds – like Ol' Cal does every week.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Was that. . . code or something, or did you just get stuck on repeat loop, rightieloggie?

Jaywalker: Yo. It's a thought I've thought in fixed forms enough times to just spit out at once.

bondmen 5 years, 2 months ago

Do you infidels know who you are? You are the ultimate targets. Will your hate for Christianity help bring Shariah law to American soil? If you think Christians are your enemy just wait because you haven't seen anything yet.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 2 months ago

This article supports information we already know about today's so-called conservative Republican columnists.

They can't shoot straight. Their views are so myopic as to be silly most of the time.

What we need in this country is a balanced view of the world by people who are actually intelligent, because most of us are too busy in our jobs to research what is really going on.

To attack all of Islam is just silly and only inspires fear and hate against religious minorities. If we go down this road, we all will become victims sooner or later.

G_E 5 years, 2 months ago

This is one of the most disgusting pieces of "journalism" I've ever read.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you bondmen, for showing us the thought-train of a Cal Thomas reader.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

I'd comment on your post, RC, but I won't because I don't want jonas to "fail" me again.

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

Reactive towards specific posters is less problematic by far than proactive towards a generalized other, bozo.

RedwoodCoast 5 years, 2 months ago

Just so everyone understands, I'll condense Mr. Thomas' piece into two sentences: "We're Christians. We got to this democracy first."

corduroypants 5 years, 2 months ago

vanguard3 (Anonymous) says… "Or do you lack the guts, the kind of guts that we Americans have shown, time and again. You may have a shot at defeating the touch feely liberal Democrat, but you'll never defeat real men."

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I love this...comedy gold.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 2 months ago

"Reactive towards specific posters is less problematic by far than proactive towards a generalized other, bozo."

Well, that's slightly better than the glib one-word attempt at criticism on the other thread.

But there was nothing "generalized" in my post. The criticism was very specifically directed at the demagoguery of Fox News. And that demagoguery is, in fact, directed at the xenophobic know-nothings that make up the bulk of their audience-- a majority of whom very clearly suffers from some level of racism (among other forms of socio-pathology,) on a scale ranging from latent to overt.

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