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Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex

November 15, 2009

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— Sarah Palin says she didn’t know her daughter Bristol was sexually active before she learned the teenager was pregnant.

The former vice presidential candidate told ABC’s Barbara Walters: “Truthfully, we were devastated.”

Bristol was a high school senior when she gave birth to son Tripp in December. Her pregnancy was publicly announced just after Sarah Palin accepted John McCain’s invitation to be his running mate.

ABC released that exchange between Walters and Palin on Saturday. Portions of their interview begin airing Tuesday on “Good Morning America” and will be shown at length Friday on “20/20”. Palin is promoting her new book, “Going Rogue.”

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porch_person 4 years, 5 months ago

jaywalker,

The events I listed from Palin's family life and public career are public record. They are objective fact. I find it funny that you think I'm stupid for being aware of them or for not sharing your apathy regarding them.

Such a stance makes you appear to be less than informed. In fact, it makes one wonder where your threshold resides when control of "the football" is at stake. Just when does Sarah Palin's incompetence "come alive" for you or are you still feeling like she needs defending. I'm sure she appreciates it. She might even send you an 8X10 signed glossy photograph.

(laughter)

She's a big girl. She put her name in the ring and got her a$$ kicked. Now she's a curiosity of history, nothing more. She's going to run around, giving speeches to people like you and make a great deal of money. Dan Qualye did the same thing for many years. It's a good gig.

(laughter)

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couranna1 4 years, 5 months ago

you mean she couldn't hear the moaning in her office or did she think the kid was just fantasizing about ARod. just typical of the right want to tell everybody how to live and can't their own house in order Good to see shewmon is still a moron, some things never change

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jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

"Like I said at first, alot of this can probably be attributed to being thrust into the spotlight from nowhere in the midst of a presidential campaign, at least to start with."

If this is the way that you want to view what happened, the passive, victim-type approach, we're not going to end up seeing eye to eye on this. Again, I think a great part of the issue is that This Is What She Wants, not what Happened to her. She has been seeking press since she was tapped, as far as I can tell, and she has been having it given to her, by all sides.

As for the multiple points, I'm really not quite sure what you're referring to. From what I've seen, there's been her family issues, brought up as far as I can tell (when not brought up by her) because they're a Perfect cautionary tale on the failures of her ideology, and there has been stuff on her lack of qualifications or merit, which are numerous. Then I guess there's been things on her quitting her posts. What else are you referring to?

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

Sure. I'm not sayin' the others haven't had peccadillos exposed. The focus on particular vagaries concerning Palin just don't seem to end, though. We heard about BO's drug use, and then it was over. We heard about Biden's drinking, and then it was over. We heard about McCain's maritial issues, and then it died off. The example of the birth certificate, that is a good one, that's along the same lines. Unfortunately for Palin, she's got 5 of those hanging on every story.

Like I said at first, alot of this can probably be attributed to being thrust into the spotlight from nowhere in the midst of a presidential campaign, at least to start with. If you haven't seen it yet, wait for the cover of Newsweek. Looks like they switched staffs with People magazine this week. Brother.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

"Heck no! We've heard about things from all of them, but Palin has easily been attacked, investigated, and nit-picked a lot more. Not saying some of it isn't legit, but Obama's drug experimentation never got to the furor that this particular story has received, and that's just one instance."

You're comparing apples to oranges, though. McCain probably got a free pass this time, I'll give you that. But some of the ammunition got quite spent up (such as his mental state after his war experience) quite some time ago, during the 2000 primaries. Obama's drug use? He admitted there was some, and everybody moved on, sure. But let's bring in his birth-certificate issue, the recent bowing thing, and other such. Sure, some of these are political or policy issues rather than personal ones, but then Palin was Never put forward as a policy-type politician. Why she was brought forward is just a guess, but no one ever talked about her political life from the beginning. All the repubs talked about when she was first put forward was how hot she was, and how she was raising a family with family values, and how she didn't abort her down-syndrome baby.

Then, of course, there's Also the matter that she keeps throwing herself in front of the cameras. You can't ask her questions on policy, really, since she was never a policy-type candidate. Why is it a surprise that her personal and family issues are the main focus? It wasn't a problem when she was the VP candidate.

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Jimo 4 years, 5 months ago

"Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex"

Thanks again Half-Governor and Miss Wasilla for insulting our intelligence.

Admitting this would tee off the sexual repression wing of the GOP (right now in ascendancy) and show that she wasn't just a AWOL politician but also an absentee mother.

You can see the wheels turning in her head: 'no one can really prove what I knew, well other than the family, so this is one will be a safe lie. Yeah, I'll reconstruct the past into this view. Levi was just doing homework in Bristol's room all those nights he was living over here. Wow, I believe it myself now. That was easy.'

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

"If she had communicated to her daughter “These are my beliefs but I love you enough that if you're going to do it anyway let me help you protect yourself…” and seriously MEANT it then no, I don't believe it would have happened"

Re-he-he-eally?! So, as long as a parent is sincere then the child will ALWAYS take their advice, always seek them out, always be honest, and never act on the spur of the moment? And don't look now, but though you attempted to play down that you don't look on it as a "failure of ideology", that's exactly what you balme it on in your closing.

jonas,

Heck no! We've heard about things from all of them, but Palin has easily been attacked, investigated, and nit-picked a lot more. Not saying some of it isn't legit, but Obama's drug experimentation never got to the furor that this particular story has received, and that's just one instance.

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2Bfrank 4 years, 5 months ago

them kids was just 'messing around'...............

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jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

jaywalker: "All kinds of skeletons and missteps in Biden, Obama, and McCain's past, but none received the microscope like Palin."

You're joking, right?

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Cait McKnelly 4 years, 5 months ago

I have no idea what Ms. Palin did or does with her daughters which is why I qualified it with "I feel". However the public facts are that Ms. Palin is a very vocal proponent of "Abstinence only" sex education that in turn resulted in a very public personal failure of her public ideology. Kids are going to turn a deaf ear to "Just say No." no matter what. It's a personal decision and if said kid has a hardliner parent they aren't going to communicate to that parent when their decisions go against what they know their parent believes. It's not so much a failure of "ideology", it's a failure of communication between parent and child. Ms. Palin admits she didn't know Bristol was even sexually active. If she had communicated to her daughter "These are my beliefs but I love you enough that if you're going to do it anyway let me help you protect yourself..." and seriously MEANT it then no, I don't believe it would have happened.

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

TJ: Exactly!

cait: Well done you and the success you had with your daughters. That's no small feat, to be sure. Buuut....

"Somehow I feel that if Ms. Palin had paid less attention to ideology and more attention to her daughters neither Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were"

Gimme a break. First of all, you have absolutely no idea - NO idea! - how much attention she paid to either subject? Or that she didn't attempt to school her daughter just as you did? Is it your contention that as long as a parent harps on an issue long enough they are guaranteed success with a teenager's choices in private? You have to be kidding.

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garyr 4 years, 5 months ago

cait48 says: "Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were."

Literally

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Cait McKnelly 4 years, 5 months ago

I brought three daughters to adulthood and none got pregnant as teenagers. I knew they were doing things I wasn't aware of and sometimes they snickered behind my back because of it. That's being a teenager. I did it. My sisters did and I can just about bet every person on this board did it. But I raised my daughters with the belief that sex is a very important and serious thing. I wasn't going to tell them they couldn't do it. I know better than that. But I did school them in what sex involved besides just having a good time, including not just pregnancy but the threat of STDs including HIV. I told my daughters that I loved them and that I wanted to protect them and I begged them that if they were going to be sexually active to please come to me first and I would help them to get what they needed to protect themselves. This was a conversation I had with them not once but many times, removing the shock factor of "talking sex with your mother". They eventually became comfortable with it and even opened up to me about their ideas about sex. This gave me the opportunity to teach them about valuing themselves and self esteem and how I truly wanted their first experience with sex to be a good and beautiful thing. It paid off. Every one of them was comfortable enough with talking to me about it and knew that they would get non-judgmental acceptance, that they came to me first so I could make their first appointments at the health department. The health department pretty much took it from there in terms of education. I can only go so far and there ARE things you don't want to discuss with your mother. But in the end I got three girls to adulthood without becoming pregnant or catching a nasty disease and with the knowledge that having a baby was something for which they could choose the time and place. Somehow I feel that if Ms. Palin had paid less attention to ideology and more attention to her daughters neither Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were.

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prolifersforwar 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't think Bristol was doing any minking. That was immaculate conception all the way. Luckily, that White Owl dude wasn't around to seduce anyone with his octogenarian verve.

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TJ_in_Lawrence 4 years, 5 months ago

I love Palin. She is real and she loves her kids inspite of them failing to live up to the standards that were set. The very thing that most of us will do when our children fail to live up to our expectations. Anyone who thinks that having a teenager get pregnant is somehow a reflection on the parent is a seriously foolish person. Kids do all kinds of things that their parents teach them not to do.

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witchfindergeneral 4 years, 5 months ago

Parenting tips for good Christian families (such as the Palins) with precocious teenagers: Step 1. Close your eyes. See only what you want to see. Step 2. Carefully bury your head, up to the neck, in sand. Fine grain sand recommended. Step 3. Recite "abstinence only sex education works...abstinence only sex education works..." Step 4. Repeat process as necessary.

(Note: The architect of this process bears no responsibility for accidental choking via sand ingestion, unwanted [unexpected!] pregnancy, and/or shotgun weddings.)

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mdrndgtl 4 years, 5 months ago

My Mom still doesn't know I had sex with Bristol Palin... Grrr...

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

"You act like the left had no “grist for the mill”. They had more than they could handle"

Therein lies the problem. "Grist for the mill?" Half of what you threw out as ...what? justification?...is garbage. All kinds of skeletons and missteps in Biden, Obama, and McCain's past, but none received the microscope like Palin. Perhaps it's part of a cautionary tale about bringing a complete Unknown into the middle of a Presidential campaign. But idiotic stuff like this is pathetic:

"Admitting she doesn't read newspapers" -- So freakin' what? Who really HAS to with the TV, radio, and internet news coverage there is? Funnier (and dumber) still, McCain got lambasted for not using email!; so one's deficient somehow because they don't use high tech, the other is because they don't use low tech. Swell.

"being staunchly for abstinence with a pregnant teenager in the household" -- so freakin' what?!! How unbelievably ignorant/blind/moronic/ridiculous/ideologically partisan can you possibly be? How 'bout this scenario, brain trust, and to all the other sanctimonious dimwits who care to spout the same drivelly line as you: How many parents are "staunchly" against drug use with kids on drugs "in the household"? Is Palin supposed to possess the powers of Hera somehow? To be Veep you're kids will have to have obeyed every single rule to the letter, from birth? Oh my goodness! A teenager did something against their parents wishes!!!??? Why, that's Earth shattering and should be exposed, ad nauseum!!!!

"calling her son “retarded”…….." -- Aaah. So it's a mark against Palin that there was almost "a methhead potentially in the family", but it's ok for you to get your "grist for the mill" from the methhead's son, the one using his close relationship with the family for personal gain, the one thinking of signing a porn deal. Yeah, he's believable.

Can never underestimate the depths of porch's stupidity. Every time I think he can't sink lower I'm proven wrong.

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sundancewierdo 4 years, 5 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Put in simple terms even the simplest minds on the left can understand; the left is scared to death, I mean scared to death of her."

Everyone should be scared to death of her. She's dumber than W. I do appreciate your feelings about a good cup of coffee, however.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

So, porchie, are you saying that your propaganda absorption rate is faster or slower than mine?

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porch_person 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom,

(laughter)

I read newspapers, Tom.

You know, what Sarah Palin famously doesn't do.

(laughter)

Tom sets 'em, I spike 'em down.

(laughter)

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Porch, do you use a turkey baster to suck up the far-left blog propaganda or just let it soak in through your skin by osmosis?

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porch_person 4 years, 5 months ago

jaywalker,

You have to admit......Palin deserved it.

The not-knowing what a Vice-President does,.....even after she'd become the nominee of the party.......

You can't make that stuff up.

Admitting she doesn't read newspapers, being unable to name a single Supreme Court decision, being staunchly for abstinence with a pregnant teenager in the household, having a methhead potentially in the family, calling her son "retarded"........

the list goes on and on.

making rape victims in Wasilla pay for their own examination kits, quitting the Governorship of Alaska because.....(???), etc, etc.

You act like the left had no "grist for the mill". They had more than they could handle.

(laughter)

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porch_person 4 years, 5 months ago

As for me, "Dave's Blend" at Milton's is a mighty fine cuppa joe......

Another trick I've learned is to hold your cup under the basket and get the first ounces of Seattle's Best Henry's Blend as it's being brewed. That first cup is always the strongest.

No....I don't have a problem.

I can handle it. I can take it or leave it.

Coffee doesn't control me.

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

"You have to admit that the trashing of Palin is no worse than what every high office political candidate goes through"

You utilized the word that makes the difference, beawolf: 'trashing'. Higher office seekers have their lives colonoscopied, but what Palin has undergone has been much worse. Don't get me wrong, I don't back her as a conservative front-runner. But you can combine all the other candidates from the last campaign and together they don't come close to the 'trashing' Palin's received.

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Christine Anderson 4 years, 5 months ago

I'll tell you what I don't like about Sarah Palin. She's the same age as I am, and she doesn't look it. The hair is perfect, the makeup is flawless, and I don't see any crow's feet. Hate that woman! Damn, her husband is eye candy, though. Ralph, get real. Some of us know you do not obey dr.'s orders. (hee,hee) So, adding Columbian decaf to your French Roast and Mayan Black Onyx just won't absolve you. And chicory? That's a bastardization of coffee. Forget adding the decaf; as many shots as you order in your espresso, it won't help. Better to just drink it stout and strong enough to raise the flag, I mean, the sleepy.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

Why should momma Palin know her daughter was having sex? She should have been preparing her daughter for real life.

Birth control allows us to prevent pregnancy and plan the timing of pregnancy.

* Birth Control Effectiveness Chart
* Abstinence
* Birth Control Implant (Implanon)
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* Birth Control Shot (Depo-Provera)
* Birth Control Sponge (Today Sponge)
* Breastfeeding
* Cervical Cap (FemCap)
* Condom
* Diaphragm
* Emergency Contraception (Morning After Pill)
* Female Condom
* Fertility Awareness-Based Methods (FAMs)
* IUD
* Outercourse
* Spermicide
* Sterilization for Women
* Vasectomy
* Withdrawal (Pull Out Method)

People have used birth control methods for thousands of years. Today, we have many safe and effective birth control methods available to us.

All of us who need birth control want to find the method that is best for us. And each of us has different needs when choosing a method. If you are trying to choose, learning about each method may help you make your decision. Use the list of birth control methods above to read about the methods.

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Corey Williams 4 years, 5 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"She's just attractive and relatively articulate……"

rel·a·tive·ly (rěl'ə-tĭv-lē)
adv. In a relative manner; in comparison with something else: a relatively minor problem.

Some synonyms: somewhat almost nearly

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

"Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex"

She could've asked me and I would've given her a very accurate educated guess. Teenagers don't lie and engage in serious subterfuge......Noooooo!!

Bozo, is my hysteria like your hysteria.....or kind of two different animals?

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Andrew Sullivan liveblogs Oprah:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/liveblogging-oprah.html

As I suggested at 9:21am in this very thread:


4.21 pm. Oprah gives the game away: "This was in the book so I assume it was fair game." Oprah clearly agreed in advance only to ask questions from the book's own narrative.This is not journalism; it's celebrity puffery. Of course, it's Oprah.


There it is. And that was actually one of the advance clips making the rounds on YouTube.

So.... for anyone doing the Simmering SissyMary about how mean and smarmy the AP, Barbara Walters, Oprah, Katie C. and others are going to be, remember the rule of the game:

If it's in the book, it's fair game.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

"The left has caught the bug to smear, smear and smear some more."

That's funny, Tom. Palin will smear herself all on her own. She'll need no help for either the "left," or supporters like yourself (I still think you're just a hysterical parody of a right-thinker.)

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

Palin will be a senator or spokesperson for the NRA or both. Mark my words.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Palin won't run for congress or prez. The R base is 59% ID'ing with her values right now. She is backing Murkowski or whatever her name is in AK. She's just attractive and relatively articulate......it seems she sent the left out of their Barcoloungers like they were sping-loaded. Weird, no big surprise though.

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beawolf 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom,

You have to admit that the trashing of Palin is no worse than what every high office political candidate goes through. I have to admire her resiliency. That said, she is going to need a tougher skin if she elects to run in 2012. The book is not going to change much. The Republican base is fairly solid in their backing. The book interviews and follow ups will do a lot more to advance (or hinder) her potential. Right now, however, I see Huckabee as the front runner.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Gee, Ralph... I remember when I was a teenager and got my first "Freedom Kiss." Didn't feel all that "free." Hell, if my tonsils hadn't already been removed... !

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Jaywalker, we have to live with the way Palin will be treated. There really is nothing we can do about it right now. There is something we can do though, with our remotes and our mouses/keyboards and also there is something we can do at the ballot box next year, and in 2012. That's all we can do. The trashing of Palin will continue. The left has caught the bug to smear, smear and smear some more. Let's see how far it gets them in the future. I'm guessing many more Americans than we realize have had it up to their earballs with the current nonsense. It went on with Bush/Cheney and it still goes on today. Like they say, "paybacks are a b*" and I do think there will be some heavy payback over the next few years.

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jaywalker 4 years, 5 months ago

"She wasn't astute or observant enough to figure out her daughter was shagging the hockey boy, but you neocons think she is astute enough to have her finger on the nuclear trigger?"

That's what I thought when I logged on: that I wouldn't have to scroll far to find the idiocy. FTR: second post.
I was having sex when I was in high school, Newell, and my parents didn't have a clue. How many other morons on here are projecting Palin, as a parent, as somehow clairvoyant? Virtually every child in America, outside an Amish community, does something EVERY day their parents don't know about. Oh, but somehow THIS is different. Pathetic.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

really? okay ralphy boy... don't think i won't remember and bring it back up then. i have a mind like a steel trap when it comes to stuff i actually LIKE. ;)

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Ralph Reed 4 years, 5 months ago

Ag: Would that then make a Fr*nch Kiss a Freedom Kiss?


honeychild: Summer is best. That coffee over ice can be heaven on a hot afternoon.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

you know, guys, we should have an ljw coffee club. as long as i don't have to be the one to brew it, sounds like a capital idea to me. :D

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

okay, so i googled Greta Van Sustern. and might i say: yikes.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

^^^ he had me at "i was loaded". LOL i've seen that dude on tv. he's effing hilarious.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Thinking it was a reference to the wide-eyed look of Greta Van Facelift...

Reminds me, yet again, of what is probably my all-time favorite political commentary...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/001/161yaihr.asp

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

woosh

that was the sound of your last post going over my head, tom. ;P

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

tom, i think all coffeemakers get slow with age. they start to wear out.

damn... i guess coffeemakers are like men.

;P (had to channel a little mae west there. lol)

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Wonder what kind of coffee maker Palin owns? Greta Van Sustern would know. (Humourous and witty answers welcomed).

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

ag, that's it. that's the one. i think they had a report on one of the TV news magazines at the time after that report came out.

i guess back then coffee got a bad rap period but they found it was only the percolated kind... now they call coffee healthy (well, most folks do-- especially those of us who love it!).

truth be told, i can only drink coffee in the morning. every now and then i can get away w/ a small cup when i have dessert but that is very seldom.

perhaps once my children are all grown and out of the house i can have a nice, fancy-schmancy coffeemaker like you and tom. until then, i'm a broke woman who drinks folgers brewed in a mr. coffee machine.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Mel, waiting for a perc or conventional drip to make coffee alone is bad for my health---considering how impatient I can be. Bunn-O-Matic was a life altering experience for me!

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

^^^^ ooooo! its getting a little uncomfortable in here!

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Here's a 20-year-old study:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/23/us/health-study-finds-boiled-coffee-raises-cholesterol.html

By no means am I suggesting that because it's "old" it's also "invalid."

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hillbilly_jim 4 years, 5 months ago

Multi, it's all coming back now....... Club Axis.....All Stars....Your place. Am I missing something?

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Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 5 months ago

Palin doesn't know her a**hole from her elbow.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, I had a serious crush on one "revival preacher's" daughter and he did not like that one bit, and to be quite honest, the guy scared me (I was about 14) and then as a senior, I dated the new First Baptist Church preacher's daughter.....and she never let me.....well, let's forget that part. But her dad, who was 'uppity' in my opinion, summoned me (told his daughter to tell me I needed to come talk to him) one night. Well, in his 'study', the strangest thing happened. He asked me if I dealt drugs in this small town ( I was 17), mainly he was referring to pot. How laughable!! I was actually blazing high at the time, since it was an "ambush" type thing and I simply told him "No". I can say though I knew where to get it, but never sold it. How ridiculous.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

ag, i saw a report on TV a while back (this was when i was married so it must've been quite some time ago, considering i've been divorced for over a decade now) that stated percolated coffee is bad for you. something about the beans sitting in the water... i can't remember what it was but drip coffee is supposed to be better for you health-wise.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

wow, mult, you are on FIRE today, girl!!! lol

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

well, tommy, you know the reputations minister's kids have, right?

and i will agree w/ you on a second thing... levi is a little turd.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years, 5 months ago

hillbilly_jim (Anonymous) says…

There have been a few times I have forgotten I was having sex. Of course, that was after a twelve pack or so. I love the walk of shame! ~~~

oh gawd...I thought you looked familiar.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"All you have to do is ask a simple question: What were we doing at that age? I don't bash Christians, but if Christians actually think their attendance at church on Sunday is going to prevent little Billy or Suzy from gettin' their nasty on, well, you need a biology refresher course."


Well, if you're gonna take it that far...

From what I remember of my teenage churchgoin' days ... sitting behind the right girl in church, and if she's wearing the right apparel...

well...

that could... uuuhhhmmm...

really "fan the fires of Hades," so to speak. ;)

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Ralph, don't you mean "Freedom Roast"... in a "Freedom Press?" :p

Research is certainly warranted, but what I've always heard about the relationship between caffeine and coffee is that:

1) It has nothing to do with the darkness of the "roast"

2) It has nothing to do with coarse grind vs. a fine or "espresso" grind

3) It has everything to do with the amount of time the ground coffee is in contact with the water!

Case in point: You get those darker roasts, and grind 'em up into talcum powder consistency, you will get a cup of coffee or espresso that tastes stronger... but really has not spent that much time in the water. A drip coffee maker just lets the water pass over the grounds one time. An espresso maker forces steam and hot water through finely-ground coffee--but again, only one time.

My parents have used a percolator for 20+ years. Put the ground coffee in the basket, add water, press the top down good and tight, and plug it in. For 10-15 minutes, that boiling water is repeatedly flushed over the coffee, over and over again. The bubbling and percolating stops, and then you can pour your coffee. Whenever we visit my foiks, that morning coffee damn near pops our eyes out!

Wanna good, strong jolt of caffeine in the morning? A percolator is the best way to do it.

--Ag

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

I agree Mel, Levi Johnston, as much as a little turd as he is, is a good looking guy and add to that a good looking governer's daughter and six months of darkness, whatya think is gonna happen?!

All you have to do is ask a simple question: What were we doing at that age? I don't bash Christians, but if Christians actually think their attendance at church on Sunday is going to prevent little Billy or Suzy from gettin' their nasty on, well, you need a biology refresher course.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Hey Ralph, you're right about grinding your own. I did it for awhile and just got away from it. It most definitely is the way coffee should be made. I've got a coffee bean grinder but just seemed to drift away from using it---mainly 'cause I needed to kick the caffeine. Those little coffee grinders are handy for grinding up other things too.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

^^^ LOL

perhaps because there is humor in randomosity as well as the absurd. also, the topic of sarah palin's daughter gettin' her nasty on ain't all that serious. atleast its not to ME.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Did-I-say-that, I do, I do have that model!! Go back if you care to and re-read my 9:31.....but somehow, my wife would STILL manage to close the lid, and then at some point (I don't when 'cause I didn't see it) would not get the decanter in place on the burner quick enough. I do agree with you though, the plastic pitcher confuses and complicates an otherwise ridiculously simple yet effective system.

(Why do I feel like I'm writing a skit for "Curb Your Enthusiasm" ?)

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

ralphy, can we all come over to your casa for coffee? your blend sounds very interesting and possibly quite tasty. i volunteer did-i-say-that to bring the biscotti. ;)

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

Did you know that lighter roast actually have more caffeine?

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G_E 4 years, 5 months ago

"Sara, the most important title any woman can have is 'mother'"

Ew. Pardon me while I throw up my lunch.

Being a mother is important, yes - if you decide to be one. I, however, look forward to having other titles in my life - "mommy" not included.

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garyr 4 years, 5 months ago

Whatever you say about Sarah on this subject, you can say about me. I had no idea Bristol was having sex. Heck, I didn't even know who she was.

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Ralph Reed 4 years, 5 months ago

@Tom and honeychild.

You should try French Roast with chicory. Makes it a lot smoother, with less of a bite - same kick though.

Grind my own and mix French Roast, French Roast decaf, Columbian decaf (Dr's orders) and Mayan Black Onyx; sometimes I also get coffee beans from Aimee's Coffeehouse. About a tablespoon of chicory from the Merc in each pot. Excellent.

Also, try a french press with Cafe Du Monde Coffee & Chicory blend (http://www.cajuncreations.com/detail.aspx?ID=99 or at the Aisan Market in Lawrence Westlake Shopping Center). Put about 1/2 to 3/4 inch of the coffee in the french press, pour in boiling water, let it steep, then pour it in a tall mug with about an inch of sweetened, condensed milk in the bottom. Stir - it's great. In the summer, get a large glass, fill it with ice, and pour the coffe over the ice when you're done stirring it.

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mom_of_three 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, let me explain it to you - the reason that people are ripping Palin for her pregnant daughter is that she kept teling people that abstinence is the best and only policy, but she couldn't even promote it in her own household!
It's very hypocritical.
I just don't trust her as far as I could throw her.
I don't mind if a politician or president or vice president have views more conservative or liberal than my own, just don't make your views part of your government doctrine and force me to follow them, which I interpreted her policies to be (people want conservatism back in the whitehouse - uh, no).

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

hey tom! if st. nick gets you that new fangled coffeemaking gadjit, i'll take your old one! :D

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom - It is time to upgrade and get your Bunn-O-Matic number four. The newer models have eliminated the plastic pitcher problem. The unit now has a valve that prevents the water from flowing when the fill lid is raised. After you have used the decanter to fill the reservoir, replaced it onto the warmer, and closed the lid, the brewing begins. It took a short time to get used to the new system but much easier. That pitcher not only confused others, somehow it was always disappearing. Maybe if you are good the rest of the year St. Nick will bring you the latest Bunn.

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headdoctor 4 years, 5 months ago

sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says… The words “Palin didn’t know…” could be followed by almost anything. Examples: 1) Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex 2) Palin didn’t know what she reads 3) Palin didn’t know what the bush doctrine is 4) Palin didn’t know that Russia was not visible from her house 5) Palin didn’t know what the Vice President does 6) Palin didn’t know that the media would ask her questions The list could go on and on for ever. A better list would be what Palin does know. How to make moose chili may be the only thing on that list.


Palin hadn't a clue that her daughter was having sex? I am not sure Palin would know if she herself was having sex. All that confusion of immaculate conception and such.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 5 months ago

Hahaha, I clicked this one just so I could see how some of the rightists bent over backwards to find some way to blame this on the left. 4125, Barry, thanks for not disappointing. Very creative.

Oh, and you too, Muse of Hypocrisy. Not your most inspired work, but consistency is always, well, repetitively comforting, in a way.

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bennyoates 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure that Sarah Heath did it with Todd Palin before they married, despiter her holier-than-thou religious rhetoric. So why should she be "devastated" that Bristol didn't wait until marriage?

That's the conservative way--lecture others about morality then claim victimization when someone reveals the truth that you're imperfect (imperfect in the sense of "sin," a concept I reject personally, but which gives the GOP lots of mileage in their campaigns against what they define as deviance).

Sarah Palin and Carrie Prejean--two pea(brains) in a pod, that's for sure, you betcha.

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sfjayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

The words "Palin didn’t know..." could be followed by almost anything.

Examples:

1) Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex

2) Palin didn’t know what she reads

3) Palin didn’t know what the bush doctrine is

4) Palin didn’t know that Russia was not visible from her house

5) Palin didn’t know what the Vice President does

6) Palin didn’t know that the media would ask her questions

The list could go on and on for ever. A better list would be what Palin does know. How to make moose chili may be the only thing on that list.

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hillbilly_jim 4 years, 5 months ago

There have been a few times I have forgotten I was having sex. Of course, that was after a twelve pack or so. I love the walk of shame!

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BigPrune 4 years, 5 months ago

Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex linked to climate change

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bennyoates 4 years, 5 months ago

Put in simple terms even the simplest minds on the left can understand; the left is scared to death, I mean scared to death of her. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So sez Tommy Tune...

His astute analysis reminds me of what countless Republicans said when Fred Thompson was getting ready for what was supposed to be a triumphant, Reaganesque march to the White House, but turned out to be one soggy flatus of a campaign. Yeah, they said we were all quivering with fear over the prospect of President Fred Thompson.

Didn't quite turn out that way, did it, Tommy?

I'll bet you were one of the geniuses who had a "Clinton/Gore: Gone in Four" bumper sticker, too.

Face it, Tommy, the only one who's afraid is you, and pathetically so, so the sooner you stop projecting your own fear onto others, the sooner you can start having a life again.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Sure, Mel! I'm the same with the french roast.....not for me.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

tom admits his wife is smarter tham him. now i tell ya-- that's the mark of a halfway decent fella.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

How it's turned out so far, is that the interviewers are sticking to things in the book. If it's in the book, it's fair game; if it's not in the book, it's not open to discussion. That makes sense, when you consider that the whole point of this tour is to promote ... (wait for it) ... the book.

As to who was asking the questions--"asked and answered." It takes two to tango. If Palin thought she was going to get a raw deal from someone, she had every right (and probably multiple opportunities) to refuse. Unless, of course, she signed a contract with her publisher(s) that said, "When it's time to promote your book, you do interviews with who we say, when we say."

Ultimately, I don't think Palin, her handlers, or her family are going to slip and fall on anyone's crocodile tears shed over the big, bad, mean ol' "MSM."

--Ag

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Ag, I have the regular 8-cup kind but thanks for the heads up---will not be buying those for anyone for Christmas!

The funny thing is, I've tried to "school" my wife on how to operate this ridiculously simple machine, ie, how to use the plastic pitcher that comes with the Bunn-O-Matic to pour into the top, the decanter never need be touched.....simple. Now, she is much smarter than me, but those mornings where I have had my coffee and then she gets up and makes her pot, I've walked into the kitchen to find coffee had been spilled all over the place. She uses the decanter and by the time she puts it back on the burner, coffee is all over the place. Now, let me explain how this gets even MORE ridiculous. They've made them 'idiot proof' in essence by placing a valve that only lets the water flow down into the heated urn after you close the lid where the water goes in. But no, she still got it all wrong.......we finally got her on board though. And some of you wonder why I'm so important around the house.

Hey, the weather sucks, what is else is there to do 'cept sit here and tell these stupid stories. wink

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

beawolf can join us, tom. and be nice to both of us. we liberals are a fragile sort. ;)

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

tom, weird-- i actually have said the same thing about weak coffee (re: "what's the point?")... i don't think you're a bad guy. in fact, i'd let you make me a cup of coffee in that high tech machine you have, as long as its not french roast. that's a bit too intense for me.

if you ever get the opportunity to treat me to java we can't talk politics, dude. i want you to be all nice and smiling like i have you visualized in my head right now. tee hee :)

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

Who was asking the questions, Agno? Let me know how that turns out...

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

75x55 (Anonymous) says…

Is this the best that the AP and their sycophantic, unimaginative subscribers can do?

Or is this how low BaabaaWaawaa has finally sunk.

Oh, “The View” - OK. That's answers the question. Nevermind…


I haven't yet seen the footage. Is one of Sarah's handlers holding a gun to her head, forcing her to do these interviews with Walters, Winfrey etc.?

I suppose a less obvious method would be to take a page from the Al Qaeda handbook, and force her into a C-4 vest every morning, and give the trigger to somebody standing a few feet offstage.

Yeah, I hate that, too. Smarmy book publishers forcing people to write books, and sending them out on those long, grueling, Bataan Death March-like book tours.

Disgusting.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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beawolf 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom,

Your political views are wacko, but your recipe for for a good cup of coffee sounds pretty decent.

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Steve Jacob 4 years, 5 months ago

Abstinence teaching in sex-ed just does not work, studies have shown time and time again. Teach your kids safe sex, and cross your fingers.

As far as Palin, I will say this the next three years, if Huckabee can win Iowa, Palin can too. Don't say so what, if Clinton won Iowa, she'd be president now.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Mel, I got off the caffeine wagon about a year ago. Well, mostly. I'm extremely picky about my coffee----I'd rather drink swamp water than a weak cup of coffee. My rommates in college made the worst coffee when we pulled 'all-nighters' for finals and I'd say, "What's the point---it's too weak". So now I'm all grown up and have a Bunn-O-Matic (been through about three of them now) and I love it----no sooner do you dump the water in, get a cup out of the cupboard, put a dash of heavy whipping cream only in the cup, your java is ready to pour! I use the big filters too, because I put about twice the recommended amount and this keeps it from flowing over in the basket. Then, I also add 2-1, in others words, 2 parts decaf and a slightly smaller "1 part" of regular. Is that better? No politics or ranting! (Don't get used to it though).

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

tom... dude... i know its chilly outside and its a monday and all but you should truly think about decaff. take it down a few notches, boyfriend.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 5 months ago

my mom didn't know i was having sex either. she finally put 2 and 2 together when i had given birth to my fourth child.

it was hard for her to accept as a mother that her 30 year old little girl was gettin' down like that.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

" I mean scared to death of her."

As everyone should be-- can anyone imagine her with her finger on the nuclear button? (She could see Russia from there.)

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

"Keep up the ambiguous, yet insightful thoughts"

WTF does that even mean? (rhetorical question.)

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

And the uber-obnoxious Andrea Mitchell, yeah, that Andrea Mitchell with the phoney whatever-the-hell kind of accent she uses, did a superb job of trashing Palin and her book on NBC NN yesterday. All lies says Mitchell? She makes me sick.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Barry, reading your posts are a great way to start the day! Keep up the ambiguous, yet insightful thoughts coming----drives the likes of bozo and the other ultra left LJW neighbors nuts.

The Palin obsession will not end. The left is hell-bent on dragging her down to their level, which is the bottom----where they feed. Willy J. Clinton has a very young female intern perform oral sex on him in a closet mere steps from the oval office and his wife and the left declares this is his personal life---just oral sex---no biggie, right? Yet, Palin, no longer even an elected public official is ripped to shreds over the fact of did she know her 17 year old daughter was having sex! Oh, and her wardrobe, not terminating the life of an unborn baby with Down's (this is the most despicable thing to come out of the left), expense reports, family business, family vacations, where whe chooses to reside, hairdoos etc etc.

The committed liberal media can not find anything better to do? Yes they could if they wanted to. But they're bound and determined to not let this woman ever be any force at all whatsoever in Washington DC. Put in simple terms even the simplest minds on the left can understand; the left is scared to death, I mean scared to death of her.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

oh boy. if you read it slowly enough, you get the point. palin knew her daughter was pregnant, but still didn't know that her daughter had been having sex.....She must have assumed that Bristol got knocked up without having sex. Happens all the time. just watch Fox News.

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

Is this the best that the AP and their sycophantic, unimaginative subscribers can do?

Or is this how low BaabaaWaawaa has finally sunk.

Oh, "The View" - OK. That's answers the question. Nevermind...

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Deb Stavin 4 years, 5 months ago

Does she know Piper is pregnant?

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brian1981 4 years, 5 months ago

What?!?!?! A parent didn't know their teenager was sexually active?!?!?

Shocking.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 5 months ago

Really, barry, next time such delirious thoughts vibrate through your brain, you'd be much better if you just roll over and go back to sleep, and hope for more pleasant dreams.

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barrypenders 4 years, 5 months ago

It's too bad that Palin's daughter had to endure public schooling. Government training centers are notorious for male intimidation, and sexual promiscuity among trainees. I vaguely understand the bigotry of female governors like Mrs. Palin, from members of male members of C.L.a P., but I don't think that it is appropriate for a modern society that is trying to promote female equality in a male dominated economic enviroment.

Stimulus, evolution and Posercare lives

Darwin bless you all

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bennyoates 4 years, 5 months ago

Even though I loathe her ideology, her narcissism, and her cynical pandering to those who lap up her victimization- complex riffs like parched puppies, I never truly thought that Sarah Palin was stupid until I read that she had no idea that her daughter was, like the overwhelming majority of US teens, sexually active.

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Newell_Post 4 years, 5 months ago

She wasn't astute or observant enough to figure out her daughter was shagging the hockey boy, but you neocons think she is astute enough to have her finger on the nuclear trigger?

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mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Mrs. Palin has a much more important title than, “former Governor” or “Former Presidential Candidate” or even “Author”. Sara, the most important title any woman can have is “mother” and it's now time for you to embrace that role, and get to know your kids. There can still be a political career waiting after the kids you are responsible for are grown and out on their own.

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Ray Parker 4 years, 5 months ago

An admitted pro-abortion s1ut like Walters is interviewing Palin about her family's morals?

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