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Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex

November 15, 2009

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— Sarah Palin says she didn’t know her daughter Bristol was sexually active before she learned the teenager was pregnant.

The former vice presidential candidate told ABC’s Barbara Walters: “Truthfully, we were devastated.”

Bristol was a high school senior when she gave birth to son Tripp in December. Her pregnancy was publicly announced just after Sarah Palin accepted John McCain’s invitation to be his running mate.

ABC released that exchange between Walters and Palin on Saturday. Portions of their interview begin airing Tuesday on “Good Morning America” and will be shown at length Friday on “20/20”. Palin is promoting her new book, “Going Rogue.”

Comments

mr_right_wing 5 years, 1 month ago

Mrs. Palin has a much more important title than, “former Governor” or “Former Presidential Candidate” or even “Author”. Sara, the most important title any woman can have is “mother” and it's now time for you to embrace that role, and get to know your kids. There can still be a political career waiting after the kids you are responsible for are grown and out on their own.

Newell_Post 5 years, 1 month ago

She wasn't astute or observant enough to figure out her daughter was shagging the hockey boy, but you neocons think she is astute enough to have her finger on the nuclear trigger?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

Really, barry, next time such delirious thoughts vibrate through your brain, you'd be much better if you just roll over and go back to sleep, and hope for more pleasant dreams.

brian1981 5 years, 1 month ago

What?!?!?! A parent didn't know their teenager was sexually active?!?!?

Shocking.

puddleglum 5 years, 1 month ago

oh boy. if you read it slowly enough, you get the point. palin knew her daughter was pregnant, but still didn't know that her daughter had been having sex.....She must have assumed that Bristol got knocked up without having sex. Happens all the time. just watch Fox News.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

"Keep up the ambiguous, yet insightful thoughts"

WTF does that even mean? (rhetorical question.)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

" I mean scared to death of her."

As everyone should be-- can anyone imagine her with her finger on the nuclear button? (She could see Russia from there.)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

my mom didn't know i was having sex either. she finally put 2 and 2 together when i had given birth to my fourth child.

it was hard for her to accept as a mother that her 30 year old little girl was gettin' down like that.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

tom... dude... i know its chilly outside and its a monday and all but you should truly think about decaff. take it down a few notches, boyfriend.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 1 month ago

Abstinence teaching in sex-ed just does not work, studies have shown time and time again. Teach your kids safe sex, and cross your fingers.

As far as Palin, I will say this the next three years, if Huckabee can win Iowa, Palin can too. Don't say so what, if Clinton won Iowa, she'd be president now.

beawolf 5 years, 1 month ago

Tom,

Your political views are wacko, but your recipe for for a good cup of coffee sounds pretty decent.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

tom, weird-- i actually have said the same thing about weak coffee (re: "what's the point?")... i don't think you're a bad guy. in fact, i'd let you make me a cup of coffee in that high tech machine you have, as long as its not french roast. that's a bit too intense for me.

if you ever get the opportunity to treat me to java we can't talk politics, dude. i want you to be all nice and smiling like i have you visualized in my head right now. tee hee :)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

beawolf can join us, tom. and be nice to both of us. we liberals are a fragile sort. ;)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

tom admits his wife is smarter tham him. now i tell ya-- that's the mark of a halfway decent fella.

BigPrune 5 years, 1 month ago

Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex linked to climate change

sfjayhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

The words "Palin didn’t know..." could be followed by almost anything.

Examples:

1) Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex

2) Palin didn’t know what she reads

3) Palin didn’t know what the bush doctrine is

4) Palin didn’t know that Russia was not visible from her house

5) Palin didn’t know what the Vice President does

6) Palin didn’t know that the media would ask her questions

The list could go on and on for ever. A better list would be what Palin does know. How to make moose chili may be the only thing on that list.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

Hahaha, I clicked this one just so I could see how some of the rightists bent over backwards to find some way to blame this on the left. 4125, Barry, thanks for not disappointing. Very creative.

Oh, and you too, Muse of Hypocrisy. Not your most inspired work, but consistency is always, well, repetitively comforting, in a way.

headdoctor 5 years, 1 month ago

sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says… The words “Palin didn’t know…” could be followed by almost anything. Examples: 1) Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex 2) Palin didn’t know what she reads 3) Palin didn’t know what the bush doctrine is 4) Palin didn’t know that Russia was not visible from her house 5) Palin didn’t know what the Vice President does 6) Palin didn’t know that the media would ask her questions The list could go on and on for ever. A better list would be what Palin does know. How to make moose chili may be the only thing on that list.


Palin hadn't a clue that her daughter was having sex? I am not sure Palin would know if she herself was having sex. All that confusion of immaculate conception and such.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

hey tom! if st. nick gets you that new fangled coffeemaking gadjit, i'll take your old one! :D

mom_of_three 5 years, 1 month ago

Tom, let me explain it to you - the reason that people are ripping Palin for her pregnant daughter is that she kept teling people that abstinence is the best and only policy, but she couldn't even promote it in her own household!
It's very hypocritical.
I just don't trust her as far as I could throw her.
I don't mind if a politician or president or vice president have views more conservative or liberal than my own, just don't make your views part of your government doctrine and force me to follow them, which I interpreted her policies to be (people want conservatism back in the whitehouse - uh, no).

Ralph Reed 5 years, 1 month ago

@Tom and honeychild.

You should try French Roast with chicory. Makes it a lot smoother, with less of a bite - same kick though.

Grind my own and mix French Roast, French Roast decaf, Columbian decaf (Dr's orders) and Mayan Black Onyx; sometimes I also get coffee beans from Aimee's Coffeehouse. About a tablespoon of chicory from the Merc in each pot. Excellent.

Also, try a french press with Cafe Du Monde Coffee & Chicory blend (http://www.cajuncreations.com/detail.aspx?ID=99 or at the Aisan Market in Lawrence Westlake Shopping Center). Put about 1/2 to 3/4 inch of the coffee in the french press, pour in boiling water, let it steep, then pour it in a tall mug with about an inch of sweetened, condensed milk in the bottom. Stir - it's great. In the summer, get a large glass, fill it with ice, and pour the coffe over the ice when you're done stirring it.

garyr 5 years, 1 month ago

Whatever you say about Sarah on this subject, you can say about me. I had no idea Bristol was having sex. Heck, I didn't even know who she was.

G_E 5 years, 1 month ago

"Sara, the most important title any woman can have is 'mother'"

Ew. Pardon me while I throw up my lunch.

Being a mother is important, yes - if you decide to be one. I, however, look forward to having other titles in my life - "mommy" not included.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

ralphy, can we all come over to your casa for coffee? your blend sounds very interesting and possibly quite tasty. i volunteer did-i-say-that to bring the biscotti. ;)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

^^^ LOL

perhaps because there is humor in randomosity as well as the absurd. also, the topic of sarah palin's daughter gettin' her nasty on ain't all that serious. atleast its not to ME.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

well, tommy, you know the reputations minister's kids have, right?

and i will agree w/ you on a second thing... levi is a little turd.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

wow, mult, you are on FIRE today, girl!!! lol

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

ag, i saw a report on TV a while back (this was when i was married so it must've been quite some time ago, considering i've been divorced for over a decade now) that stated percolated coffee is bad for you. something about the beans sitting in the water... i can't remember what it was but drip coffee is supposed to be better for you health-wise.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 1 month ago

Palin doesn't know her a**hole from her elbow.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

^^^^ ooooo! its getting a little uncomfortable in here!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

ag, that's it. that's the one. i think they had a report on one of the TV news magazines at the time after that report came out.

i guess back then coffee got a bad rap period but they found it was only the percolated kind... now they call coffee healthy (well, most folks do-- especially those of us who love it!).

truth be told, i can only drink coffee in the morning. every now and then i can get away w/ a small cup when i have dessert but that is very seldom.

perhaps once my children are all grown and out of the house i can have a nice, fancy-schmancy coffeemaker like you and tom. until then, i'm a broke woman who drinks folgers brewed in a mr. coffee machine.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

tom, i think all coffeemakers get slow with age. they start to wear out.

damn... i guess coffeemakers are like men.

;P (had to channel a little mae west there. lol)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

woosh

that was the sound of your last post going over my head, tom. ;P

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

^^^ he had me at "i was loaded". LOL i've seen that dude on tv. he's effing hilarious.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

okay, so i googled Greta Van Sustern. and might i say: yikes.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

you know, guys, we should have an ljw coffee club. as long as i don't have to be the one to brew it, sounds like a capital idea to me. :D

Ralph Reed 5 years, 1 month ago

Ag: Would that then make a Fr*nch Kiss a Freedom Kiss?


honeychild: Summer is best. That coffee over ice can be heaven on a hot afternoon.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

really? okay ralphy boy... don't think i won't remember and bring it back up then. i have a mind like a steel trap when it comes to stuff i actually LIKE. ;)

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

"She wasn't astute or observant enough to figure out her daughter was shagging the hockey boy, but you neocons think she is astute enough to have her finger on the nuclear trigger?"

That's what I thought when I logged on: that I wouldn't have to scroll far to find the idiocy. FTR: second post.
I was having sex when I was in high school, Newell, and my parents didn't have a clue. How many other morons on here are projecting Palin, as a parent, as somehow clairvoyant? Virtually every child in America, outside an Amish community, does something EVERY day their parents don't know about. Oh, but somehow THIS is different. Pathetic.

beawolf 5 years, 1 month ago

Tom,

You have to admit that the trashing of Palin is no worse than what every high office political candidate goes through. I have to admire her resiliency. That said, she is going to need a tougher skin if she elects to run in 2012. The book is not going to change much. The Republican base is fairly solid in their backing. The book interviews and follow ups will do a lot more to advance (or hinder) her potential. Right now, however, I see Huckabee as the front runner.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

"The left has caught the bug to smear, smear and smear some more."

That's funny, Tom. Palin will smear herself all on her own. She'll need no help for either the "left," or supporters like yourself (I still think you're just a hysterical parody of a right-thinker.)

Corey Williams 5 years, 1 month ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"She's just attractive and relatively articulate……"

rel·a·tive·ly (rěl'ə-tĭv-lē)
adv. In a relative manner; in comparison with something else: a relatively minor problem.

Some synonyms: somewhat almost nearly

Richard Heckler 5 years, 1 month ago

Why should momma Palin know her daughter was having sex? She should have been preparing her daughter for real life.

Birth control allows us to prevent pregnancy and plan the timing of pregnancy.

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Christine Anderson 5 years, 1 month ago

I'll tell you what I don't like about Sarah Palin. She's the same age as I am, and she doesn't look it. The hair is perfect, the makeup is flawless, and I don't see any crow's feet. Hate that woman! Damn, her husband is eye candy, though. Ralph, get real. Some of us know you do not obey dr.'s orders. (hee,hee) So, adding Columbian decaf to your French Roast and Mayan Black Onyx just won't absolve you. And chicory? That's a bastardization of coffee. Forget adding the decaf; as many shots as you order in your espresso, it won't help. Better to just drink it stout and strong enough to raise the flag, I mean, the sleepy.

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

"You have to admit that the trashing of Palin is no worse than what every high office political candidate goes through"

You utilized the word that makes the difference, beawolf: 'trashing'. Higher office seekers have their lives colonoscopied, but what Palin has undergone has been much worse. Don't get me wrong, I don't back her as a conservative front-runner. But you can combine all the other candidates from the last campaign and together they don't come close to the 'trashing' Palin's received.

sundancewierdo 5 years, 1 month ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Put in simple terms even the simplest minds on the left can understand; the left is scared to death, I mean scared to death of her."

Everyone should be scared to death of her. She's dumber than W. I do appreciate your feelings about a good cup of coffee, however.

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

"You act like the left had no “grist for the mill”. They had more than they could handle"

Therein lies the problem. "Grist for the mill?" Half of what you threw out as ...what? justification?...is garbage. All kinds of skeletons and missteps in Biden, Obama, and McCain's past, but none received the microscope like Palin. Perhaps it's part of a cautionary tale about bringing a complete Unknown into the middle of a Presidential campaign. But idiotic stuff like this is pathetic:

"Admitting she doesn't read newspapers" -- So freakin' what? Who really HAS to with the TV, radio, and internet news coverage there is? Funnier (and dumber) still, McCain got lambasted for not using email!; so one's deficient somehow because they don't use high tech, the other is because they don't use low tech. Swell.

"being staunchly for abstinence with a pregnant teenager in the household" -- so freakin' what?!! How unbelievably ignorant/blind/moronic/ridiculous/ideologically partisan can you possibly be? How 'bout this scenario, brain trust, and to all the other sanctimonious dimwits who care to spout the same drivelly line as you: How many parents are "staunchly" against drug use with kids on drugs "in the household"? Is Palin supposed to possess the powers of Hera somehow? To be Veep you're kids will have to have obeyed every single rule to the letter, from birth? Oh my goodness! A teenager did something against their parents wishes!!!??? Why, that's Earth shattering and should be exposed, ad nauseum!!!!

"calling her son “retarded”…….." -- Aaah. So it's a mark against Palin that there was almost "a methhead potentially in the family", but it's ok for you to get your "grist for the mill" from the methhead's son, the one using his close relationship with the family for personal gain, the one thinking of signing a porn deal. Yeah, he's believable.

Can never underestimate the depths of porch's stupidity. Every time I think he can't sink lower I'm proven wrong.

mdrndgtl 5 years, 1 month ago

My Mom still doesn't know I had sex with Bristol Palin... Grrr...

Terry Jacobsen 5 years, 1 month ago

I love Palin. She is real and she loves her kids inspite of them failing to live up to the standards that were set. The very thing that most of us will do when our children fail to live up to our expectations. Anyone who thinks that having a teenager get pregnant is somehow a reflection on the parent is a seriously foolish person. Kids do all kinds of things that their parents teach them not to do.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 1 month ago

I brought three daughters to adulthood and none got pregnant as teenagers. I knew they were doing things I wasn't aware of and sometimes they snickered behind my back because of it. That's being a teenager. I did it. My sisters did and I can just about bet every person on this board did it. But I raised my daughters with the belief that sex is a very important and serious thing. I wasn't going to tell them they couldn't do it. I know better than that. But I did school them in what sex involved besides just having a good time, including not just pregnancy but the threat of STDs including HIV. I told my daughters that I loved them and that I wanted to protect them and I begged them that if they were going to be sexually active to please come to me first and I would help them to get what they needed to protect themselves. This was a conversation I had with them not once but many times, removing the shock factor of "talking sex with your mother". They eventually became comfortable with it and even opened up to me about their ideas about sex. This gave me the opportunity to teach them about valuing themselves and self esteem and how I truly wanted their first experience with sex to be a good and beautiful thing. It paid off. Every one of them was comfortable enough with talking to me about it and knew that they would get non-judgmental acceptance, that they came to me first so I could make their first appointments at the health department. The health department pretty much took it from there in terms of education. I can only go so far and there ARE things you don't want to discuss with your mother. But in the end I got three girls to adulthood without becoming pregnant or catching a nasty disease and with the knowledge that having a baby was something for which they could choose the time and place. Somehow I feel that if Ms. Palin had paid less attention to ideology and more attention to her daughters neither Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were.

garyr 5 years, 1 month ago

cait48 says: "Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were."

Literally

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

TJ: Exactly!

cait: Well done you and the success you had with your daughters. That's no small feat, to be sure. Buuut....

"Somehow I feel that if Ms. Palin had paid less attention to ideology and more attention to her daughters neither Bristol nor Ms. Palin would have been put in the positions they were"

Gimme a break. First of all, you have absolutely no idea - NO idea! - how much attention she paid to either subject? Or that she didn't attempt to school her daughter just as you did? Is it your contention that as long as a parent harps on an issue long enough they are guaranteed success with a teenager's choices in private? You have to be kidding.

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 1 month ago

I have no idea what Ms. Palin did or does with her daughters which is why I qualified it with "I feel". However the public facts are that Ms. Palin is a very vocal proponent of "Abstinence only" sex education that in turn resulted in a very public personal failure of her public ideology. Kids are going to turn a deaf ear to "Just say No." no matter what. It's a personal decision and if said kid has a hardliner parent they aren't going to communicate to that parent when their decisions go against what they know their parent believes. It's not so much a failure of "ideology", it's a failure of communication between parent and child. Ms. Palin admits she didn't know Bristol was even sexually active. If she had communicated to her daughter "These are my beliefs but I love you enough that if you're going to do it anyway let me help you protect yourself..." and seriously MEANT it then no, I don't believe it would have happened.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

jaywalker: "All kinds of skeletons and missteps in Biden, Obama, and McCain's past, but none received the microscope like Palin."

You're joking, right?

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

"If she had communicated to her daughter “These are my beliefs but I love you enough that if you're going to do it anyway let me help you protect yourself…” and seriously MEANT it then no, I don't believe it would have happened"

Re-he-he-eally?! So, as long as a parent is sincere then the child will ALWAYS take their advice, always seek them out, always be honest, and never act on the spur of the moment? And don't look now, but though you attempted to play down that you don't look on it as a "failure of ideology", that's exactly what you balme it on in your closing.

jonas,

Heck no! We've heard about things from all of them, but Palin has easily been attacked, investigated, and nit-picked a lot more. Not saying some of it isn't legit, but Obama's drug experimentation never got to the furor that this particular story has received, and that's just one instance.

Jimo 5 years, 1 month ago

"Palin didn’t know Bristol was having sex"

Thanks again Half-Governor and Miss Wasilla for insulting our intelligence.

Admitting this would tee off the sexual repression wing of the GOP (right now in ascendancy) and show that she wasn't just a AWOL politician but also an absentee mother.

You can see the wheels turning in her head: 'no one can really prove what I knew, well other than the family, so this is one will be a safe lie. Yeah, I'll reconstruct the past into this view. Levi was just doing homework in Bristol's room all those nights he was living over here. Wow, I believe it myself now. That was easy.'

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"Heck no! We've heard about things from all of them, but Palin has easily been attacked, investigated, and nit-picked a lot more. Not saying some of it isn't legit, but Obama's drug experimentation never got to the furor that this particular story has received, and that's just one instance."

You're comparing apples to oranges, though. McCain probably got a free pass this time, I'll give you that. But some of the ammunition got quite spent up (such as his mental state after his war experience) quite some time ago, during the 2000 primaries. Obama's drug use? He admitted there was some, and everybody moved on, sure. But let's bring in his birth-certificate issue, the recent bowing thing, and other such. Sure, some of these are political or policy issues rather than personal ones, but then Palin was Never put forward as a policy-type politician. Why she was brought forward is just a guess, but no one ever talked about her political life from the beginning. All the repubs talked about when she was first put forward was how hot she was, and how she was raising a family with family values, and how she didn't abort her down-syndrome baby.

Then, of course, there's Also the matter that she keeps throwing herself in front of the cameras. You can't ask her questions on policy, really, since she was never a policy-type candidate. Why is it a surprise that her personal and family issues are the main focus? It wasn't a problem when she was the VP candidate.

jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

Sure. I'm not sayin' the others haven't had peccadillos exposed. The focus on particular vagaries concerning Palin just don't seem to end, though. We heard about BO's drug use, and then it was over. We heard about Biden's drinking, and then it was over. We heard about McCain's maritial issues, and then it died off. The example of the birth certificate, that is a good one, that's along the same lines. Unfortunately for Palin, she's got 5 of those hanging on every story.

Like I said at first, alot of this can probably be attributed to being thrust into the spotlight from nowhere in the midst of a presidential campaign, at least to start with. If you haven't seen it yet, wait for the cover of Newsweek. Looks like they switched staffs with People magazine this week. Brother.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"Like I said at first, alot of this can probably be attributed to being thrust into the spotlight from nowhere in the midst of a presidential campaign, at least to start with."

If this is the way that you want to view what happened, the passive, victim-type approach, we're not going to end up seeing eye to eye on this. Again, I think a great part of the issue is that This Is What She Wants, not what Happened to her. She has been seeking press since she was tapped, as far as I can tell, and she has been having it given to her, by all sides.

As for the multiple points, I'm really not quite sure what you're referring to. From what I've seen, there's been her family issues, brought up as far as I can tell (when not brought up by her) because they're a Perfect cautionary tale on the failures of her ideology, and there has been stuff on her lack of qualifications or merit, which are numerous. Then I guess there's been things on her quitting her posts. What else are you referring to?

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