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Officials: Wait to judge health care proposal

July 20, 2009

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— Administration officials defended President Barack Obama’s broad health care proposals on Sunday and urged a skeptical public not to judge the Democrats’ overhaul until Congress writes a final version.

Facing independent budget predictions that contradict the White House’s rhetoric, officials sought to refute Republican objections to massive changes in how Americans receive health care. They emphasized that Congress has not yet settled on an outline for health care legislation and reiterated Obama’s desire for a bipartisan approach.

The United States is the only developed nation that does not have a comprehensive national health care plan for all its citizens, and Obama campaigned on a promise to offer affordable health care to all Americans. However, the recession and a deepening budget deficit have made it difficult to win support for costly new programs.

Paying for the health care plan remains the major challenge, underscored by a nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office report that emerging House legislation would increase deficits by $239 billion over a decade.

Comments

Godot 5 years, 6 months ago

Wait to judge it? After it is law? "Trust me." I've heard that before.

Obama clearly has a problem with that pesky process of deliberation, negotiation, compromise and congressional approval that the constitution requires. He'd much rather it be, " so it be said (by Obama), so it be done (by Congress)."

One provision of this bill that Obama does not want people to read or understand is to give Obama the power to unilaterally raise or lower taxes to fund the healthcare behemoth, without Congressional approval. That is a gigantic Executive branch power grab that Congress, if it does not want to become completely irrelevant, must not allow to happen.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

"Paying for the health care plan remains the major challenge,"

No, the funding problem comes from the insistence on continuing to prop up the profits of the insurance and healthcare industries, whose primary purpose is to deliver profits to its executives and shareholders, not healthcare.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 6 months ago

bozo,

You're free to not do business with those insurance companies. You're also free to use your wages (not my family's wages) to pay for your market-priced health care.

My operative word here is "free." Your operative word, as usual, is "control."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

Anyone who believes that anyone in this country is "free" to choose a healthcare plan is either stupid or woefully, willfully ignorant. But we are certainly all free to pour our hard-earned cash into the black hole of the fraud that passes for "healthcare" in this country.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

"WASHINGTON — The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape. The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress. The release of the update — usually scheduled for mid-July — has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess. The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgt-m8CWDFF-r4yaVApcrGCAqvWwD99I1PS00

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

The Washington Post? How could you believe anything that libral piece of trash has to say, Tom?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Even the liberal rags are down on the O'dude's mad schemes. That doesn't bode well for the socialization of America.

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

"Even the liberal rags are down on the O'dude's mad schemes. That doesn't bode well for the socialization of America."

Anyone else notice that the Associated Press referred to "the White House’s rhetoric" [emphasis mine]?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

notajayhawk, is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end for the Barry & Biden Show?

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

Folks, please read the frigging article. It doesn't say wait until it becomes law to judge it, it doesn't say rush it through so nobody knows what's in it--it says wait until the final version that Congress is going to vote on is written. Right now, the final product that Congress will vote on isn't written. All of you Congressional experts would be well served to study up a bit on committee procedures--there is seldom anything that will turn up in the final bill that hasn't been hashed out in committee (yes, there are exceptions, but not in this case, where the bill is moving through no less than 5 committees).

For those harping on about illegals receiving coverage, are you ever going to get it? It costs WAY more to pay for the legally required care that illegal immigrants receive when they go to the E-room than it does to insure them so they don't need to go to the emergency room everytime they get the sniffles. Legally required. It is a violation of federal law to refuse treatment in an emergency room. You are paying for it already--wouldn't you prefer that the bill be smaller?

I realize that what you would most prefer is that they not be here at all--I get that, but that is not the reality we live in. I also understand that, given this reality, what you would prefer is to refuse them care and let them die in the streets, but unfortunately for you, legal and moral codes forbid it.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04,

Your thoroughly compelling argument had me convinced to sign over every cent of my salary for the government to redistribute in a manner that you and your special interest buddies see fit until you said, "what you would prefer is to refuse them care and let them die in the streets..."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

No member of Congress should be allowed to vote on this bill until they swear under oath that they have read the entire thing & pass a test on what it says.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

"I also understand that, given this reality, what you would prefer is to refuse them care and let them die in the streets, but unfortunately for you, legal and moral codes forbid it." I would prefer that the illegal aliens get caught at the border and tuned back. Failing that, that they be arrested in this country and deported as quickly as possible. It would cost a lot of money to scoop up their carcasses off the street.

bankboy119 5 years, 6 months ago

snap,

I do believe it would be cheaper to scoop the carcasses off the street, and perhaps we could start body burning energy plants in high illegal population areas instead of coal plants. That way we are not wasting more area for graves as well.

Lower medical bills by refusing to pay for people who don't deserve treatment. Lower costs on border patrol (since we'll use the dead bodies to power the energy plants we'll let more in).

And then....ok I can't do this any more this is too morbid and far fetched.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 6 months ago

"Daina also talks to entrepreneur, Jack Lohman, a lifelong Republican and co-founder of Business Owners for Single Payer, who tells her: "For the same 16 percent of GDP that we are spending on health care in the U.S., we could provide first-class health care to 100 percent of the people." And a single-payer system would "get health care off the backs of corporations so they can be more competitive with products made overseas."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sarah-van-gelder/what-americans-want-natio_b_110830.html

======================================= Paying More Getting Less http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html ===================== CIGNA Insurance Reveals http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/16/former_insurance_exec_wendell_porter ==================== Dan Eggen and Kimberly Kindy Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, July 6, 2009 The nation's largest insurers, hospitals and medical groups have hired more than 350 former government staff members and retired members of Congress in hopes of influencing their old bosses and colleagues, according to an analysis of lobbying disclosures and other records.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/05/AR2009070502770.html?

Too many legislators are on the confusion band wagon as shareholders and special interest campaign money receivers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

Not only does doing nothing increase the cost of health insurance so do the house and senate bills receiving all the attention. The business community should be demanding HR 676/Senate 903. Then they should be demanding no employer should be forced to pay UNLESS an employer wishes to reimburse an employee as part of the pay package.

HR 676 is the ONLY legislation that eliminates all special interest campaign funding influence once and for all. HR7676 is the only legislation that contains costs and saves $350,000,000,000 annually according to the CBO.

Senate Report Finds Insurers Wrongfully Charged Consumers Billions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

Richard Heckler 5 years, 6 months ago

The insurance industry screams about waiting waiting waiting then the special interest politicans start screaming about waiting waiting waiting but in a sense they are right. People in the USA have been waiting waiting waiting ABOUT 50 YEARS for functional,fiscally responsible and sensible health insurance which brings us to HR 676 .... yes finally it is here.

HR 676 National Health Insurance will provide coverage for:

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital, surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental, mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. The privatized medical insurance industry is anything but efficient.

Alyosha 5 years, 6 months ago

Godot: did you actually read the article? It clearly states "Administration officials ... urged a skeptical public not to judge the Democrats’ overhaul until Congress writes a final version."

Here's how the process works: Congress writes a bill that then gets deliberated upon and then voted on.

Contrary to your claim, which has no evidence to back it up, Obama has actually stayed out of the writing of the bill, leaving that to the appropriate branch, the Congress.

One generally adds more to the discussion when responding to what's written, not to things you make up in your own head and then get angry about.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

Pilgrim2:

"And this monstrosity is being pushed through in exactly the same manner."

You are showing your colors with this completely inaccurate comment. Please review the facts and revise.

Godot 5 years, 6 months ago

Alyosha, There is no such thing as deliberation and negotiation in Pelosi's house of representatives, and Obama is trying to ramrod this thing through in such a way that the bill is approved without being read, and with enough loopholes so that he and his team can unilaterally rule from the Whitehouse.

His speech today proved it. He doesn't care what is in the bill so long as it gets passed, because, as long as it puts him in charge of the nation's heatlh care, he will use it to reshape our society and economy the way he sees fit. Today he changed his tune from health care reform, to insurance reform. Now he has set his hate-filled sights on the evil insurance and pharmaceutical companies and their "windfall profits." He doesn't even know the meaning of the term. Obama is so intellectufally bereft and dishonest that he does not have the ability to make an argument without setting one group against the other. If it weren't for straw men and red herrings, Obama would not know how to begin and end a speech.

rhd99 5 years, 6 months ago

Those who believe in Obama's stupid so-called health care overhaul are so naive. What's next folks, you gonna tell me that there is ocean front property in Arizona?! Who's the fool now? Wait to judge this President's health plan? Are you kidding me? I want my money back & I want it back now!

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

"You are showing your colors with this completely inaccurate comment. Please review the facts and revise."

You are showing your ignorance by this completely mindless and ideologicallly blinded fawning. Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current events (apparently there's no 'maybe' involved), but that's the way things are done now, staff - huge bills voted on and passed within 24 hours of their 'final versions' with too many legislators later trying to claim they wouldn't have voted on it if they'd had more time to read it. Can you say 'stimulus' package, boys and girls?

The summer break is coming up soon - you really think Obama isn't going to try to sneak this one through at the last minute? You really think?

Obama's support is sinking fast, staff, now that even the press isn't blindly falling all over themselves to support him. It's tough to admit you were so foolish in November, isn't it?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

What do the folks at the Mayo Clinic have to say?

"President Obama might have touted the Mayo Clinic as a model of healthcare delivery, but the Minnesota medical center is hardly showing affection for House Democrats' healthcare reform proposals. The Clinic believes the proposed House legislation "misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients," it said on its Health Policy Blog. "In fact, it will do the opposite.""

Read more at: http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/07/20/mayo-clinic-lambastes-house-healthcare-bill/

puddleglum 5 years, 6 months ago

as long as private health insurance is outlawed once and for all, I will be happy.

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

Actually going to do something about health care, which should have been done years and years ago! Way to go Obama!

Of course, Republicans don't hate health care. I'm sure if McCain had won, he might have tried to strengthen Medicaid.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Worth repeating: "28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… ...Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

You don't have that much affect on anyone, beo. You're only worth a simple copy/paste. Watch this & be enlightened. http://www.breitbart.tv/youtube-video-imagines-nationalized-health-care-in-form-of-government-run-restaurant/

TacoBob 5 years, 6 months ago

Page 16 from the healthcare reform bill:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

Is this true: "Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers." ?

Any reform bill supporters that can shed light on this language?

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

"Worth repeating: “28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… …Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back.”"

Too bad, that would have been a nice birthday present.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

Pilgrim2 says...

"Inaccurate?" How so?

You said that this bill was being pushed through just like cap and trade. Fact is, there have been dozens (including one going on right at this very moment) of committee meetings to discuss fully every page of the legislation, and it is changing as we type. Not like cap and trade (which was a "Barry Joe" product).

I honestly don't expect you to understand that difference and I sincerely doubt you have read one word of any legislation. It's partisan hacks like you that keep these things interesting, so god bless ya.

TacoBob 5 years, 6 months ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Did any lawmaker get the chance to read any of the previous 8 years of bills rammed thru by your beloved W? We know he didn't because he couldn't read or understand anything. Just did what his god or uncle Dick told him to do.


So you are saying not reading bills is wrong.

No matter who does it, right?

KS 5 years, 6 months ago

Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug pusher an unlicensed pharmacist. They are illegal aliens and are a major drain on the cost of healthcare in this country. Obama's numbers are starting to sink like a rock. I see where he and Romney are tied at 45% each for the 2012 election. Pretty early for that to happen already.

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

Don't be silly, TacoBob, it's only wrong when it's done by Republicans. You're forgetting the liberal/Democratic mantra: "That's different."


staff04 called someone - anyone - a "partisan hack?"

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KS 5 years, 6 months ago

kubacker - You are absoluetly correct. Can't wait, huh?

Godot 5 years, 6 months ago

So apparently the strategy for getting totally free health care under Obamacare is to become an unemployed citizen and/or be a non-citizen who has crossed the borders of the USA without proper documentation in order to suck off the US taxpayers (aka ncwhctbotusawpdiotsotust). Otherwise, you will pay out the whazoo, will have less acces to care, at a lesser quality, than you now have.

The answer is easy. Give up. Quit. Join 'em. Smoke a few. Take a break, a long, long break.

Godot 5 years, 6 months ago

Obama also wants to take control of all insurance and pharmaceutical companies. He called them out as being evil today. Read his speech. Better yet, watch it, He hates this sector of the economy. Look at his red, narrowed, eyes when he refers to their "windfall profits." Hate. That is the real Obama. He viscerally hates these companies, and, in this speech, he is vowing to take them down.

TacoBob 5 years, 6 months ago

Ok, so page 16 should scare the crap out of most of us. Those of us that are reading what is being promoted anyway.

There are few, if any, programs that the government can run better than the private sector. Why would anyone think the government can do a better job, INCREASE coverage, AND lower costs overall? Ever been to a VA hospital?

Those 'evil' insurance companies do make a profit, and use the bulk of it to pay wages, i.e. supply jobs. The vaunted Paul Wellstone, liberal superhero from Minnesota, was asked how the infrastructure that makes up the healthcare industry, the systems, people and processes, would be replicated under a government-run program. His answer: a whole lot of qualified government staff. In other words, transfer these jobs to the government dole. Where government lackeys rust in their chairs.

Ugh.

Let's read and analyze what is being foisted on us. Read the bill. Beo, no evil W to drag you down with limited reading comprehension. Read and support Mr. O's plan. It is flawless, in case you did not get the (Cliff's note version) memo.

Dems have all the votes needed, let them pass it on their own, and own it all. Unless they have some defectors that feel this whole thing is half-baked and a bad idea. (oops)

Dems can do it, so just do it!! You GOP naysayers can just sit on your hands and get out of the way. Dems, close your ranks and get 'er done. No excuses now.

Debate over, the GOP lost, Dems need to get over it and get something done. No excuses.

I need to get my Botox appointment scheduled before 2012. Botox and and the occassional polyp removal are included, right? Oh - that is the Congressional and Executive Branch "Gold" plan only - my bad.

Tangent - even more than above - there will soon be the Monty Python scene happening in the near future: "Bring out your dead!" Coming soon to a rest home near you.....

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

"Fact is, there have been dozens (including one going on right at this very moment) of committee meetings to discuss fully every page of the legislation, and it is changing as we type."

All of which is irrelevant. If you took off the ideological blinders off (I know, I know, it must be horribly difficult to look back at November and realize what an incomprehensible blunder you made with your vote), and looked at the point of the article you're posting to, the president doesn't want anyone to pay attention to the 'dozens of committee meetings to discuss fully every page of the legislation.' He wants everyone to hold off until the final version is decided upon (without input or criticism from anyone outside the Democratic party) before they look at the bill - which, judging by past performance, should be less than 24 hours before its passage. Plenty of time for everyone not involved in those 'dozens of committee meetings' to read and digest a thousand or so pages of gobbledygoop, right?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

The O'dude has a hammer called "More Government" and everything looks like a nail.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

"Your naivete is monumental."

Care to refute the fact that you said this bill was "pushed through in exactly the same manner..." as the cap and trade bill, when in fact the procedure on the health care bill doesn't come even remotely close?

I'll not be distracted by the other miscellany you throw out. This is what I said you were wrong about, and I stand by it.

And nota, I don't remember pulling your chain. Pilgrim2 said something stupid and I called it. That's what this is about. Not the stimulus. You want to talk about what the point of the article is? Obama doesn't want people to judge "until Congress writes a final version."

There's an operative word that you and others here don't seem to be able to comprehend. "Writes." Not "votes on."

Got the point now?

puddleglum 5 years, 6 months ago

godot: "Obama also wants to take control of all insurance and pharmaceutical companies. He called them out as being evil today

uh, that is because they are evil. profiteering off of the sick is just....well, SICK!

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

"There's an operative word that you and others here don't seem to be able to comprehend. “Writes.” Not “votes on.”"

And how long will it be between those two events, in your estimable opinion, staff? Based on past events? A week? A month? Or less than a day like all the other stuff forced through, that you so blindly and adoringly fawn over in rapture? THAT is the point, dingleberry.

"Got the point now?"

Yes.

Pilgrim was 100% correct in his assessment of you.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

nota, of the 27 substantive (I omitted post office namings and other resolutions like this) bills that have been cleared for the White House this year, 2 were deliberated on for less than one week prior to being cleared for the White House.

There's more: 3 were deliberated on for 8-14 days 3 for 15-21 days 3 for 22-28 days and....16 for more than 4 weeks, many of them for more than 2 months.

So, that whole "less than a day like all the other stuff?" Complete crap. There were 2 (TWO) substantive bills passed under this Congress that were deliberated on for less than one week.

These are indisputable facts, my friend.

Commence with the "but but but..."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Would the O'dude's illegal alien aunt be covered under this new plan?

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

Which two were those, staff?

And which of these other 'substantive' bills were deliberated longer - they renaming the official legume of the District of Columbia again?

Were any of these other 'substantive' bills ones which the president had called his highest priority, set 'suggested' deadlines for passage, and is on the news daily touting the urgency of getting the bill passed and the legislation enacted? How many, staff?

Sorry, didn't mean to interupt, the dissonance ringing in your head must be difficult enough to bear. Please resume your fawning obeisance to your Messiah.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry if I ruined your day with facts, nota.

Not that I feel any obligation to do your research for you, but the two bills that were deliberated on for less than one week were H.R. 1512 and H.R. 1541. In my haste, I failed to note H.J.Res 38, a CR for FY2009 appropriations--that one was also passed the same day it was introduced. (as it was only an extension of an existing appropriations bill with no changes, whether or not it is substantive could be debated).

I like how you emphasize "substantive" to make light of my assessment. To make sure it is clear to you, of the 13 other bills this year that have been cleared for the White House that I did NOT mention, 9 were facility namings, one congressional gold medal, one "honor the contributions" of, one appointing someone to the Smithsonian board, and one technical correction regarding the compensation within the Sec of Interior's office. If you think any of those are substantive, I'm open to discuss them.

You are right about the president is working this thing, but everything else you have said has been misleading. When you make a statement about how this, like everything Congress has done, has been rammed through in short time, you had better be armed with facts.

No dissonance here, only facts that are 100% supported and documented. And please, keep the "fawning obeisance" comments for people that are fawning and admit that you spouted off at the keyboard without a clue about that which you were carrying on.

Godot 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04, Obama does not even know what is in the various bills, yet he is pushing Congress to pass something, anything, just "giterdone." You are so learned, so connected, so important. Care to explain your master's urgency in a manner that we, the lowly, the unenlightended, the unwashed masses, and those who are so audacious as to even question Obama's wisdom, might understand?

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

staff04 (Anonymous) says…

"I like how you emphasize “substantive” to make light of my assessment. To make sure it is clear to you ..."

Well, for a suggestion, answering the question would have been a good start. But I guess that's the typical non-answer I've come to expect from you. You'd already mentioned the type of bill you did not think met that 'substantive' threshold. And somehow you managed, in your bluster, to forget to answer the question: Which ones DID you consider to be 'substantive?' (I don't need emphasis to make light of your opinion, btw - you manage rather well on your own.)

By the way, were you counting the bills that took longer than a day to pass, but passed in their final compromise form overnight? Just wondering.

If you really, really believe this bill will be fully dissected and understood by the legislators who vote on it, if you really and truly believe that it will be subjected to a period of public review and commentary (as, I believe, your Messiah promised), then Pilgrim's assessment of you was a gross understatement. And fawning doesn't even come close.

Oh, and again, how many of those 'substantive' bills were being ramrodded by the White House? Maybe I didn't think I was talking to a child who couldn't figure out that I could care less about extensions of the FAA's authority, and I was talking about bills that actually matter, bills that were written to put in place the president's agenda, bills that will directly affect the lives of every citizen of this country for generations. I won't bother to give you that much credit again. Or, to quote someone from above: "I honestly don't expect you to understand that difference and I sincerely doubt you have read one word of any legislation. It's partisan hacks like you that keep these things interesting."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Cold feet on the sinister side of the aisle.

"A key House committee on Tuesday indefinitely postponed voting on health care reform legislation after Democratic leaders were unable to line up enough votes from moderate members of their own party.

The House Energy and Commerce Committee canceled the session as it faced serious concerns about the legislation from fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats, who hold a large number of seats on the panel. The Energy and Commerce Committee is the only House panel with jurisdiction over health care that has not completed writing its version of the reform bill.

President Obama, trying to rally support to the package, met with those Democrats Tuesday afternoon. Sources told FOX News they met for a couple hours and mainly discussed ways to contain the costs of the comprehensive plan. While sources said the meeting was "productive," at least one suggested there was little progress on the actual bill. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/key-house-panel-cancels-health-care-session-blue-dogs-voice-concerns/

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 6 months ago

Trust us President Hope and Change tells us. I don't think so!

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry that I expected that you could comprehend what substantive legislation is, but since you didn't get it, I was referring to bills that actually had force of law, excepting things like post office namings. Your flippancy towards the facts display only that you are never going to get it. I have now addressed EVERY SINGLE BILL that has been passed to the White House from the Congress this year. 3 of those bills were deliberated on for less than a week. Your refusal to acknowledge hard facts makes it clear that you have no interest in intellectually honest discussion. And I love that you have the nerve to talk about lies on another thread...

I don't know how many of those bills were being "ramrodded" by the White House. I know the White House has interest in the passage of some of them, but I thought we were talking about how much time was being spent on legislation.

If you'll recall, this began when you stated that this (the health care reform bill) was being pushed through in less than a day like everything else. You were full of it. Sorry that facts didn't support your BS line. You got caught with your pants down.

So keep on notajayhawk, keep repeating the BS lines that you have been called on. It isn't like I should come to expect honesty from you.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

beo, what's the deal with your strange fascination with urine?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

In other news:

"At 5:54 pm ET the news came: "The Energy and Commerce Markup of H.R. 3200 – America’s Affordable Health Choices Act for 7-22-09 has been CANCELLED. Not a good sign for the Democrats trying to report the bill out from committee onto the floor for a vote. Seven conservative blue dog Democrats on the committee have said they can't vote for the bill in its current form. Some of those Blue Dogs came to the White House today for a 2 1/2 meeting, an hour of which was with President Obama. "

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/facing-blue-dog-rebellion-house-energy-and-commerce-committee-cancels-markup-for-2nd-day-in-a-row.html

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