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Wall Street Journal

July 3, 2009

Editor’s note: The following editorial appeared in Wednesday’s edition of the Wall Street Journal.

The Minnesota Supreme Court yesterday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of last year’s disputed Senate race, and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman’s gracious concession at least spares the state any further legal combat. The unfortunate lesson is that you don’t need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact.

Mr. Franken trailed Mr. Coleman by 725 votes after the initial count on election night, and 215 after the first canvass. The Democrat’s strategy from the start was to manipulate the recount in a way that would discover votes that could add to his total. The Franken legal team swarmed the recount, aggressively demanding that votes that had been disqualified be added to his count, while others be denied for Mr. Coleman.

But the team’s real goldmine were absentee ballots, thousands of which the Franken team claimed had been mistakenly rejected. While Mr. Coleman’s lawyers demanded a uniform standard for how counties should re-evaluate these rejected ballots, the Franken team ginned up an additional 1,350 absentees from Franken-leaning counties. By the time this treasure hunt ended, Mr. Franken was 312 votes up, and Mr. Coleman was left to file legal briefs.

What Mr. Franken understood was that courts would later be loathe to overrule decisions made by the canvassing board, however arbitrary those decisions were. He was right. The three-judge panel overseeing the Coleman legal challenge, and the Supreme Court that reviewed the panel’s findings, in essence found that Mr. Coleman hadn’t demonstrated a willful or malicious attempt on behalf of officials to deny him the election. And so they refused to reopen what had become a forbidding tangle of irregularities. Mr. Coleman didn’t lose the election. He lost the fight to stop the state canvassing board from changing the vote-counting rules after the fact.

This is now the second time Republicans have been beaten in this kind of legal street fight. In 2004, Dino Rossi was ahead in the election-night count for Washington Governor against Democrat Christine Gregoire. Ms. Gregoire’s team demanded the right to rifle through a list of provisional votes that hadn’t been counted, setting off a hunt for “new” Gregoire votes. By the third recount, she’d discovered enough to win. This was the model for the Franken team.

Mr. Franken now goes to the Senate having effectively stolen an election. If the GOP hopes to avoid repeats, it should learn from Minnesota that modern elections don’t end when voters cast their ballots. They only end after the lawyers count them.

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3 July 2009
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Keith (Anonymous) says…

I'm here to deliver another order of sour grapes for the local media mogul. Where do you want them?
3 July 2009
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

What was WSJ saying when the Bush lawyers stole the 2000 election?
3 July 2009
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TacoBob (Anonymous) says…

Only took two comments for the simplistic comparisons to be trotted out.

Comparing these two elections is comparing apples and hamburgers.

Hats off to Franken's legal team. Had all votes cast been counted, there may not have been a different outcome, but the margin would have been less, most likely.

Dems are in the drivers seat now - so own your decisions and stand by them.
3 July 2009
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

Coleman had the exact same right and ability in this fight as Franken did. Get over it, good lord.
3 July 2009
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deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…

Coleman didn't have any lawyers of his own?
3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Defender, Franken, like Obama, was able to outspend 10 to 1. On Rasmussen, just right now, 44% of Americans dislike Franken. Get a clue. Your beloved far-left administration and congress is now poised to suck us down the drain at lightning speed. Maybe we need to hit bottom, before we can rebuild the right way this time.
3 July 2009
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Tom we hit bottom, that's why the Republicans are out. We can only go up from 1/21/2009 on.

3 July 2009
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

They probably fought for the oversees military votes to be discarded like the Dems did in 2000.
3 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

I agree with others here. Why couldn't Coleman do the same thing? Money shouldn't have anything to do with it, if that was actually the case. If it was, we need some reform to the process of recounts and start by investigating them with independent counsel.
3 July 2009
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texburgh (Anonymous) says…

And I suppose that the NYT (and LJW) believe that what the Bush lawyers and the Republican vote suppression machine did in Florida was legitimate?

Of course they do! The NYT and LJW believe that whatever Republicans do - through the courts or by whatever means necessary - is good for us; whatever Democrats do - through legal means - is by definition bad.

Want to know more about the friends of the NYT and LJW? Read Franken's book “Lies and they Lying Liars Who Tell Them.”
3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Oh, beoB! We've not seen the bottom, the true bottom yet, but are heading there quickly. Hold that thought though for about 18-24 months and we'll re-visit it.

texburgh, do you mean WSJ and LJW?
3 July 2009
at 10:07 a.m.

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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Yo, texburgh, what are you babbling about? First of all, by NYT I'm guessin' you're referring to the New York Times, which has no bearing on the above since this editorial comes from the Wall Street Journal.
Second, if you actually 'think' the Times is a staunch backer of Republicans, conservatives, the 'right',……..I don't know what to say. Seek help?
3 July 2009
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Graczyk (Anonymous) says…

Mr. Nancy,

It doesn't matter how many Americans dislike Franken. What matters is how many Minnesotans like him. Apparently, he was liked enough to get elected - but just barely.
3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Franken will be out after his one and only term.
3 July 2009
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toe (Anonymous) says…

Franken is a clown masquerading as a politician.

3 July 2009
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

Um, Tom, I never voiced any support for Franken, or this administration. You're just too big of a dishonest liar that you have to attempt to put words in my mouth.

Sorry, I trounce ignorant bullies, and that is exactly what you are. Try again fool, and you'll get it again.
3 July 2009
at 11:15 a.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Defender, we all know you idolize Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Franken, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, Boxer, Sanders, Waxman and the rest of the far-left wing of the Democratic Nationalist Party of the Banana Republic of the United States. How are you going to celebrate Dependence Day tomorrow, Defender?
3 July 2009
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…

Tom, among your many failed predictions, you also stated that America would never elect a black man as president. I recommend you leave the Nostrodamus stuff alone, because you obviously aren't very good at it.

Further, who cares if a minority of the American populace dislike Franken? I mean, you do know that 44% isn't a majority, don't you?

I'm just surprised you aren't using this as another opportunity to rail against the left-bias American-hating media. Oh, that's right, it doesn't exist.
3 July 2009
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Tom, you consider anyone to the left of Rush a member of the far left wing. And anything anybody does is an improvement over the Bush fiasco.
3 July 2009
at 11:26 a.m.

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Defender, we all know you idolize Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Franken, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, Boxer, Sanders, Waxman and the rest of the far-left wing of the Democratic Nationalist Party of the Banana Republic of the United States.”

Prove it, dishonest liar. You can't, and you won't even try because you absolutely do not want to be proven to the be the liar that you are.

“How are you going to celebrate Dependence Day tomorrow, Defender?”

You need to proofread, unless this is another of your poor attempts at sarcasm. Face it Tom, you're a useless jerk.

Come on liar, prove it. Do it liar, prove what you have stated. Think you can do it, liar?
3 July 2009
at 11:33 a.m.

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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

Coleman lost. His concession was far from gracious. He cost taxpayers millions.

Gore vs. Bush anyone?
3 July 2009
at 11:36 a.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

“And anything anybody does is an improvement over the Bush fiasco.”

Now that is hilarious, and will be proven wrong before my 50th birthday with 110% certainty. Some words being used to describe Obama, some by Democrats: catastrophe, disaster, trainwreck, fascism, economic maelstrom and the list goes on.
3 July 2009
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

Come on Lying Tom, prove what you said. What's the matter, don't want to be proven as a liar?

3 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Someone please contact defender's mommy and advise her he needs a diaper change and a nap, That's embarrassing.

“Coleman lost. His concession was far from gracious. He cost taxpayers millions”

Not a word after 'lost' is true. Congratulations to kugrad for the most unintelligent, uninformed post thus far today.
3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

hahaha Defender!!! You funny!!!

Happy Dependence Day!!

“Come on Mr. Tally Man, tally me bananas, daylight comin' an' I wanna go home…..”

The Banana Republic of the United States of America.
3 July 2009
at 12:38 p.m.

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

jaywalker, stop being a sissy just because I called out your lover as a liar. Sorry you two can't get married. Besides, did I say anything to you little lady?

And Tom, thanks for showing how ignorant, dishonest, and immature that you are. You have now been proven as a liar, and I can here you crying on jaywalkers shoulder.
3 July 2009
at 12:41 p.m.

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Keith (Anonymous) says…

“will be proven wrong before my 50th birthday with”

Wow, as grumpy as you are, I figured you to be 80 already.
3 July 2009
at 12:42 p.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

I think Defender is just jealous. Happy Dependence Day, Defender. You crack me up!!

Day-O, Da-a-a-a-O!!

Banana Republic of the United States of America.
3 July 2009
at 12:46 p.m.

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

Pray tell Tom, what am I jealous of? A dishonest liar? A person that hates America like you do? An ignorant old fool?

Why won't you prove your assertion Tom? Too much of a sissy?

You're just making yourself sound stupid, and I thank you for that.
3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

“A beautiful bunch a' ripe banana
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Hide the deadly black tarantula
Daylight come and me wan' go home”
3 July 2009
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

Oh, I get it now Tom. You call it Dependance Day for two reasons:

A. You just got your mothers welfare check

B. You hate America so much that you will do anything to dishonor our most patriotic holiday

Both of these show just how much you despise this country, and should be shipped back to your Talibuddies as fast as possible.

3 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

“It's six foot, seven foot, eight foot BUNCH!
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Six foot, seven foot, eight foot BUNCH!
Daylight come and me wan' go home ”

Banana Republic of the United States.

Happy Dependence Day!
3 July 2009
at 1:06 p.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Generalissimo Obama has all his Chicago thug clique right by his side, a shiftless Democratic controlled congress and a subservient media to make sure his Banana Republic is not infiltrated…..for now.
3 July 2009
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JimmyJoeBob (Anonymous) says…

KUgrad

You got it wrong Franken was the one who cost the taxpayer millions he was the one with all the attorneys. You don't really believe those attorneys work for free do you. They are all on Franken's 6 million dollar expense account now.
3 July 2009
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mancityfooty (Corey Williams) says…

Defender (Anonymous) says…
“Oh, I get it now Tom. You call it Dependance Day for two reasons:”

Actually, he calls it dependance day because he's dependent on someone else's paycheck. And it's every day.
3 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“You're just making yourself sound stupid, and I thank you for that.”

That line is amusingly ironic and not a little bit sad. My sympathy runs deep for defender's parents. Immaturity on this level has to be devastating for a mother and father.
3 July 2009
at 3:34 p.m.

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“My sympathy runs deep for defender's parents. Immaturity on this level has to be devastating for a mother and father.”

Still crying over me lambasting your lying lover, 'eh jaywalker? Yes, you certainly showed a huge level of maturity when you jumped on me over a post directed to someone else. Here, let me show you:

“Someone please contact defender's mommy and advise her he needs a diaper change and a nap, That's embarrassing.”

Yes, your use of punctuation is embarassing. But next time that you make an immature comment towards me first, just remember how big of a hypocrit that you are.

Sorry that I had to defeat you two, you make a cute couple, but not a lick of sense between you. My God this is fun, but you're waaaayyyyy too easy.
3 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Defenseless,

I don't care who you 'lambaste', not that you've done anything of the sort here. It's the unbelievably immature and pathetic way you've chosen to respond, not debate, that I've commented on. Nothing else. All you've done here is act like a petulant child. If you 'think' you've “defeated” me in some way that only adds the word 'delusional' to your exploits today, but I can't say I'm surprised.

And I'd strongly advise you not to delve into a grammar war with me, kiddo. It looks like I had a typo in that quote, using a comma instead of the period I intended. That's a slip of a key. I'm so terribly sorry. But at least I know the difference between the homophone's 'hear' and 'here', that 'Lord' should be capitalized in that usage context, that coupling something like 'dishonest liar' is redundant, that I can spell 'hypocrite' and 'Dependence' correctly, and I know how and where to place commas and apostrophes appropriately. Your ignorance runs a close second to your immaturity, though I'm certain they're part and parcel.

At any rate, rant away. Conversing with the likes of you is a waste of time. I won't be doing it anymore on this string.
3 July 2009
at 6:06 p.m.

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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

Lordie lordie

3 July 2009
at 6:30 p.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Generalissimo Obama wishes all a very Happy Dependence Day!!

“Work all night on a drink a' rum
Daylight come and me wan' go home
Stack banana till the mornin' come
Daylight come and me wan' go home ”
3 July 2009
at 11:32 p.m.

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

jaywalker, using someone elses posting name in a derogatory way is grounds for having your account removed. So, I guess I will let the mod know about that one.

I cannot believe how you are screaming at me about immaturity when you attacked me first. But it is absolutely normal for a person like you to ignore the facts. Your posting history shows a huge number of examples of your immaturity, and now this one catalogs your hipocrisy. You have no business in the quarrel between Tom and I, so your offer to shut the h*!! up is quite welcome.

As far as me not debating Tom, there IS no debating Tom. All of his posts are inflammatory extremist right wing propaganda. Plus, he made a statement about my political ideology that he cannot back up with facts. I debated his ability to do so, and it is quite obvious I won. He refuses to even attempt to prove his lies. All he wants to do is make very sly borderline racist remarks about the current president. You support this, it is obvious. This says a lot about your character as well.

Sorry, you lose, again. I can see how this is getting to you, and I find it very entertaining. What kind of whine are you going to come up with next? Do my harsh worders hurt your little eyes? If you don't like my posts, skip 'em and quit your crying.
4 July 2009
at 12:55 a.m.

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho (Anonymous) says…

Good for Franken. It's about time the Dems finally learned how to steal an election the same way the Republicans have done.
4 July 2009
at 8:30 a.m.

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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

The canvassing boards were predominately democrats. That's why Coleman couldn't win, at all. That's why he couldn't do what Franken did because Coleman's side couldn't change the rules after the fact like Al Franken's side did.

Dirty politics, plain and simple. Democrats are corrupt far more than Republicans.
4 July 2009
at 8:37 a.m.

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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

This same BS went on in Ohio. The brazen Democrats are going to get their comeuppance sooner or later. Then there is the whole ACORN debacle. Wow!

Generalissimo Obama says: Happy Dependence Day!!

Banana Republic of the United States.

Daaaaaay-O.
4 July 2009
at 8:43 a.m.

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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

Nothing more soothing than listening to losers whine. You people just can't get over fact you are losing and have lost most elections for last 2 cycles. Get over it and look at why. Coleman is reason Minnesotans had to spend so much much money showing him that he really lost. Talk about denial.
4 July 2009
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mancityfooty (Corey Williams) says…

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…
“I think Todd Palin is pretty hot”
4 July 2009
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“That's why he couldn't do what Franken did because Coleman's side couldn't change the rules after the fact like Al Franken's side did.”

Please, BigPrune, provide us with factual information to back up your claim. If you are unable to do so, then your are a liar, and a traitor to the election system in this country. Please, provide proof, I don't want to see you come out to as big of liar as Tom has become. Are you honest? Can you show the truth?

4 July 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Defender, this is an opinion and commentary forum. Is an opinion or perception a lie? Don't be so harsh, my friend, and celebrate Dependence Day and salute your Generalissimo Obama, Supreme Ruler of the Banana Republic of the United States.

Daaaay-O!
4 July 2009
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mancityfooty (Corey Williams) says…

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…
“Defender, this is an opinion and commentary forum. Is an opinion or perception a lie?”

You are right, Tom. And you are correct in that sense. In fact (ha!), people can pretty much say whatever they want as long as they precede their statement with “In my opinion…” That does make for a good line. Let me try it out:

In my opinion, Tom Shewmon is an absolute moron. His claims of not being a dittohead fail miserably when, after supposedly just listening to the radio one afternoon, he parrots the new Limbaugh line every chance he gets. In my opinion, Tom is an imbecile who deserves to be treated as such.

Wow! That was good. Thanks Tom.
4 July 2009
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…

jay: “Immaturity on this level has to be devastating for a mother and father.”

And bringing someone's parents into an argument is meant to be a sign of maturity?
4 July 2009
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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

Jaywalker, back at you. Everything I wrote was true. A concession would have been gracious if given 5 months ago, but dragging this thing out in court at a huge cost to taxpayers with tons of money wasted in many ways was just wrong. The outcome was certain a long time ago (as every major washington pundit agrees), yet it was dragged out just to avoid seating Franken for the first term of congress. It wasn't dragged out on the hope of victory; that Coleman lost was clear long ago and he knew it along with everyone else.
All of the media coverage of the last 5 months, newspaper coverage, bandwidth wasted, court time, security, everything was just a huge waste of resources. When he finally concedes after taking it to the F'in supreme court of MN, it isn't 'gracious,' it's just overdue.
4 July 2009
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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

To date, there has not been even ONE vote ever found to be fraudelenty cast in the last national election (or any other that I've heard of) that has been connected to ACORN in any way. The entire allegation, and it is simply an allegation, was that fradulent registrations were collected and, in accordance with state laws, submitted by ACORN (yes, you are required to submit registrations you collect even if they say Elvis Presley on them and to do so within a short, specified time period). When people go off about ACORN as though they were behind a whole host of frauds involving everything from the financial markets to elections, you can be certain, virtually 100% certain, that they have never actually read anything about the topic that wasn't on a blog (not subject to fact checking) or FOX news (now slightly renamed as their own producers call it “infotainment” and defend their right to include non-factual info based on that description), rather than thinking for themselves.
The ACORN “debacle” is that functionally illiterate people who can't distinguish fact from opinion and propoganda from reporting have been persuaded that some fraud was perpetutated where there has been none. All fire but no heat.
All allegation but no proof. This is a typical republican strategy of recent years; repeat a claim often enough and the gullible will believe it. I can't recall which of the famous Nazi leaders succinctly described that strategy in a welll-known quote, but it has certainly been followed, with obvious success, against ACORN.
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jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

In other banana republics one party rule is called a dictatorship. All we need now is the Obama jack booted secret police.
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

Look it up your own damn self defender.
4 July 2009
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

In other words, “I neither know nor care as long as it's convenient.”

4 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“Everything I wrote was true. A concession would have been gracious if given 5 months ago, but dragging this thing out in court at a huge cost to taxpayers with tons of money wasted in many ways was just wrong.”

None of what you wrote was remotely true, kugrad. The 'concession' in question was the speech Coleman just gave, which was very gracious. You believing he should have conceded 5 months ago is beside the point for that argument. Not to mention irretrievably stupid since Coleman was in the lead after the initial tally. You think he should have conceded when he won? Brilliant!
Also, the difference between the two was in the low hundreds. Nobody is ever going to concede when the margin is that slim, case in point: Franken!!!
And I don't know what this huge burden on the taxpayers you're whining about is. It's my understanding that the lawyers that were waging this recount battle were paid for by each campaign.
4 July 2009
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

“And bringing someone's parents into an argument is meant to be a sign of maturity?”

I didn't bring anyone's parents into an argument, bea. Nor was there any semblance of an argument going on anyways. Perhaps my line was on the border, but it certainly is no match for the sheer volume of childish nonsense that clown was throwing out there, gimme a break.
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…

Jay, you did write: “My sympathy runs deep for defender's parents. Immaturity on this level has to be devastating for a mother and father.” That is bringing someone's parents into the fray.

Not trying to start a fight, just pointing out that if you want to make a real point about someone's level of maturity then you should rise above using petty insults yourself. (Before you respond, please note that I have never made any claims regarding my own level of maturity. In fact, I find myself to be very immature for my age … much to the devastation of my parents and siblings.)
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livingstone (Anonymous) says…

“Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…
Franken, like Obama, was able to outspend 10 to 1. On Rasmussen, just right now, 44% of Americans dislike Franken.”

And you didn't say a thing about George Bush outspent Al Gore and Kerry?
4 July 2009
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TacoBob (Anonymous) says…

Once again, both sides would have fought this out. To blame Coleman for 'dragging this out' is silly. Franken (Dems) would have done the same thing, just flip the argument. It all boils down to trailer park logic - simplistic and weak. Dems should stop trying to put themselves above the fray when they would have ran this through the state Supreme Court just as Coleman did. Please, get over yourselves.

Bottom line is Franken won. Dems need to get over it.

What everyone should be worried about is how this went down. Votes were not counted consistently between counties. If we were all smart, we would figure out how wrong this is for all of us. Happened to go the Dems way this time. Next time it might be the Reps. Either way the inconsistency should be rooted and and all (legit) votes counted.

OK, back to the playground, recess can resume.
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jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

Fair enough, bea. I still refute I 'brought parents into it', I didn't make them the subject, activate them with an action verb, ridicule or belitttle them in any way.
But I did stoop to his level somewhat. I'll grant ya that.

Have a good and safe Fourth!
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

“Obama and Franken in 2012!”

12/21/2012

Makes sense.