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Salvation Army to close homeless center

Agency to focus on new transitional housing service

Aaron Morrison, 12, from left, Deanna Morrison, 2, and Branyn Morrison, 9, children of Beverly Morrison, eat at The Salvation Army on Thursday.

Aaron Morrison, 12, from left, Deanna Morrison, 2, and Branyn Morrison, 9, children of Beverly Morrison, eat at The Salvation Army on Thursday.

February 26, 2009

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Overnight homeless shelter closing its doors

The Lawrence Salvation Army announced plans to shut down its overnight homeless shelter, and now community homeless leaders are scrambling. Enlarge video

Joe Hooks, 52, looks over his bunk Thursday at The Salvation Army, 946 N.H. The 42-bed shelter will close on May 1.

Joe Hooks, 52, looks over his bunk Thursday at The Salvation Army, 946 N.H. The 42-bed shelter will close on May 1.

Gary Wheatly, 40, lives and works at the Salvation Army, 945 New Hampshire.

Gary Wheatly, 40, lives and works at the Salvation Army, 945 New Hampshire.

The Salvation Army announced Thursday that it is closing its 42-bed homeless shelter on May 1, leaving the city with a single shelter that currently is operating at capacity.

Salvation Army leaders said they made the decision to close the shelter, which has been in operation since the 1980s, because the organization will begin providing a new service that places a limited number of homeless families or homeless individuals into apartments across the city.

“We think it is important to look at the big picture,” said Aaron Smith, director of community relations for The Salvation Army’s Lawrence operations. “We do not want to throw people out on the street. That is not what we’re doing. We don’t see it that way at all.

“We feel like this decision is knitted together with where the community is going.”

Smith said the new Salvation Army housing program would be a major addition to the city’s homeless services scene. The program would allow a single homeless family or homeless individual to stay in an apartment for up to 24 months while they receive case management services from The Salvation Army and other social service agencies.

But the new program won’t be large enough to house everyone who stays at The Salvation Army’s shelter. The program is expected to serve a total of either five homeless families or individuals.

Search for a site

Homeless service advocates said that means the race is now on to find a new site to expand the Lawrence Community Shelter.

That 31-bed shelter, at 10th and Kentucky streets, currently operates at capacity each night and frequently turns away people who are seeking a bed.

Loring Henderson, director of the Community Shelter, said he would immediately begin looking for a temporary overflow shelter site that could provide nighttime accommodations for up to 50 people.

“We’re doing some talking and some thinking now, but we see it as our responsibility to pick up the people who will be without emergency shelter,” said Henderson, who said he was supportive of The Salvation Army’s decision.

Henderson said he didn’t yet have a site in mind for an overflow shelter, which would operate in addition to the main shelter at 10th and Kentucky.

The Lawrence City Commission this week gave preliminary approval to a new set of zoning regulations that would allow churches to temporarily serve as homeless shelters. The new regulations would give churches an automatic right — meaning no city permit is needed — to house homeless people overnight as part of their ministry, as long as the sheltering operation is temporary in nature. The city hasn’t yet determined how to define temporary.

Henderson said he would explore the church possibility, but said it was too early to speculate where a temporary shelter site might be.

The Community Shelter also has been seeking a new permanent home that would allow it to serve upward of 100 people. Henderson said it was not realistic for the shelter to find a permanent home before the May 1 closing of The Salvation Army shelter.

Katherine Dinsdale, chair of the city-appointed Community Commission on Homelessness, said the community may have to consider temporary options that it finds uncomfortable. She said a variety of vacant stores and office buildings have the room to serve as a temporary shelter.

“There are lots of options out there that may not be acceptable in the long term, but this is a critical situation, and we need to make some temporary accommodations,” Dinsdale said. “Then, we need to use our discomfort to accelerate our plans to find a new home for the Community Shelter.”

Whether city government, however, will be in much of a position to help financially is uncertain. Mayor Mike Dever said he thought it was more likely that the private sector was going to have to step forward.

“The faith-based community has been stepping up here, and in most places that is the way it is,” Dever said. “This is not a good time for the city to try to find additional revenue to cover the vacancy that is going to be created.”

History of success

Wesley Dalberg, captain for The Salvation Army operations in Lawrence, said he was unsure how many individuals actually would be displaced by the closing. He said during the spring and summer, The Salvation Army shelter did not operate at capacity. Instead it normally housed about 25 to 30 people per night when the weather turned warmer. He expects some of those individuals to be housed as part of the new program or to find other housing arrangements.

But Dalberg said he’s convinced the new transitional housing program was a positive step forward for the community’s efforts to end homelessness.

Homeless service advocates generally agreed. Both Henderson and Dinsdale said The Salvation Army’s actions were in line with the strategy the city has adopted to serve the homeless.

In 2007, city commissioners adopted a “vision” for homeless services proposed by the Community Commission on Homelessness. That strategy called for the community to have just one emergency homeless shelter, but for the community to significantly increase the number of transitional housing units available in the city.

Dalberg said The Salvation Army originally envisioned the new housing program being larger than five units, but the organization was unsuccessful in winning a startup grant from the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Despite the lack of a grant, Dalberg said The Salvation Army decided to move forward because the programs have proven successful elsewhere. He said major studies have shown that, on average, 75 percent of families who enter the program successfully move on to more permanent housing. The average length of stay in the program is about 14 months.

Salvation Army leaders said a big part of the success is that participants are taught necessary skills to succeed.

“It really is built around that philosophy of teach a man to fish,” Smith said.

The Salvation Army hasn’t yet identified apartments to use for the program. Smith said the organization would soon start approaching landlords. The goal, he said, is to have the apartment units scattered throughout the city.

The Salvation Army will continue to keep its offices and sanctuary in its longtime building at 946 N.H. The space used for the shelter will be converted back to a gymnasium, which will be host to youth programs run by The Salvation Army.

Comments

couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

"Yes, there are some persons who stay there who do avail themselves of “higher power” help." mcheesehead

Did not want to let anyone think that was my opinion. This needs to be a bigger issue as in the effect it will have on the community. There will be at least 40 extra people on the street come May and where will they go and what will they do. These people who work at the salvation army just do not care about this community at all and never have. they do not care ,as to why, in my opinion, the dalbergs came here as Lt's and not Capt"s plus it helped Big bro was the boss . Now they are bailing on this community by saying we will help 5 people and this is best for the community. 5 people is all and then go on to say they really have nothing concrete no landlords ( watch out JD) and funding got shot down. Of course it did would you give a bunch of money to inept ( my opinion) people Not so much

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

Yes, there are some persons who stay there who do avail themselves of “higher power” help.

B#@l*t they would not know god if she bit them in the a

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

Thats fine Salvation Army , the city will now withdraw the $41,000 planned for you in 2009 and further more your license to solicit donations in Lawrence is hereby cancelled. Have a nice day ! (cowboy)

The money certainly should be withdrawn and of course the legalized panhandling should stop immediately. They hired Adecco to do the hiring for this panhandling venture next year. Is that doing the most good hiring a temp service and paying them OMG their stupidity is unlike no other

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

Thought for the day. Have you ever seen a salvation army captain who is not overweight? I personally have not. Why you say? I would say lazy + free food + no hard work = FAT Just an observation. Have a nice day and just think about it. Strictly my opinion

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

I have said all along the hypocrites at the salvation army would do this, though from what I've been told they lied to people about it. They will get money for this to pad their pockets and that is what they are about. "We think this will do the most good for people who desperately need help,” said Aaron Smith Did he say that with a straight face. He is not even a corps member just a fundraiser for them. You know the kettles, the lgalized begging (panhandling) I really think they should be investigated for misusing funds they get. They use people spout off a little about god and pretend to take the high road. Problem is they have never been there so it is impossible for them to pull off. This is an economic move ONLY and not to help people as the article stated they will help five, out of 50 some who are there. Those kids in the picture do not sleep in the shelter but the chapel that they sleep on mats. The shelter has 50 beds 42 for men 8 for women so they cannot even get that right. They care huh? Wes and Susan Dalberg, are not caring people and are only interested in the bottom line. Liz Coleman the manager who was relieved (resigned but they accepted much to her dismay) of her position after unethical behavior continues to work there as an asst when she should have been fired for her actions. Why? She attends the church after I was personally assured she would be fired or gone by Xmas. This is how they operate. There will be people who lose their jobs over this so I am guessing they will get the help first so how many will this really help? They have at least two employees who live at the shelter. Out of a job and a place wow In this economic time are they are "doing the most good" by closing it? What a joke. Lawrence stop them from the legalized panhandling of kettles and chess on 10th St. They beg for your money as if they need it and where does it go now that they are closing. They going to give it back? NO WAY That is not godly To the people there who are trying to make a better way, good luck to you. There are not a lot but more than five and if it is like everything else only the favorites who buy their religious crap will be served. This is a way for them to close the shelter because it is too hard and I suspect that they can no longer get as much free money from the city to do nothing. Case management there is a joke. Do not contribute anything to the salvation army. Donate to organization that is not phony and that really helps people get on the right path

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"max, I do some volunteer work, none of which is any of your business." -not_holroyd http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/jun... “I always bring poop bags” -not_holroyd

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Who cares merrill, who is funding it? I am with the millions made from the shopping center in Hong Kong.

When the city announces funding, then raise hell about it. Until then, build your own sidewalks in your neighborhood with that pimp money being paid to your neighborhood coordinator. All of the five neighborhoods would have someting to show for instead of worthless newsletter and coordinators , some of whom didn't even live in the target neighborhoods.

Let "not_holroyd" go door to door,,as a salvationist and hand out the newsletter that could be printed by Margene and her overpaid staff. 6 pages. 1 page for each neighborhood, and the last page for people who want to waste their money on ads.

God, this city commission has no brains but continues to waste the money in Neighborhood Resources.

max1, "not_holroyd" almost is beginning to sound like either the Bowling Alone expert or the pie maker, PACEM

I'll have another piece of lemon meringue if you please, and no, I have my own bowling shoes.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 1 month ago

Who's funding this housing operation?

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

max, I do some volunteer work, none of which is any of your business. I contribute to my community, instead of criticizing it 24/7, like Hawk.

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"I'm close enough to Hawk's hood." -not_holroyd

You live here in the Oread Neighborhood? Nothing is close to 12th and Louisiana outside of Oread. Why don't you volunteer to help these homeless children? Oh, that's right -- you are too busy scooping dog sh!t for Marge and shoveling sh!t onto these pages.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

Now you are thinking Hawk. Nothing wrong with a little required manual labor too, down at the Oread Inn, or campus. Work-study, if you will.

A little school and life-skills in the morning, and a little manual labor in the afternoons. If KU can waive tuition for legacy students, do for a few homeless workers too. Feed them lunch at the Union. Work at the Oread Inn, or for facilities and grounds on campus. Clean those fountains. Assign them a MSW student from Twente Hall to follow them around. Some can live on 1200, the rest can bus in. If they don't hold up their end of the bargain, move them on down the road.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

I wonder what some would think if an announcement was made that a property in the 1200 block of La was going to be made available to the Salvation Army for a certain period for use for housing for their clients who wanted to go to college. Would the neighborhood group protest? And if so, why?

How many study sessions and how many historic resources meetings would have to be held, how many years of stalling would take place?

It might happen yet.

So, if an owner leases a property to the Salvation Army, will the city demand certain requirements of the Salvation Army or will they be treated as a church also. Does the church have to be in the building designated as a church or can the mission of the church be in a building other than the church.

max1, I might add , I did raise concern about the particular house in the Barker neighborhood, as it seemed to not be appropriate for children, since it was two story and had little yard. I want that made clear.

But a property close to the campus could house single men and women who want to attend college for a brief period.

Just curious?

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

Get a load of these hyenas in sheep's clothing. Kinda reminds me of that phony do-gooder not_holroyd. Is not_holroyd a he or she? It claims to be a he, but it writes like a little girl.

"I was impressed by the thoughtfulness and compassion expressed by many who cannot support the shelter here because of a variety of concerns: property values;. . . traffic congestion, for the safety of clients and neighbors alike." -Andrea Zuercher

"The people in the Barker neighborhood are kind, compassionate residents that volunteer and help those less fortunate all the time. . . If Ms Edmands wants this so bad let her do it in her neighborhood." -afraid_to_comment

"hell no this isn't okay with me" -Molly Lang

"Our neighborhood is compassionate, and we seek to preserve our friendly, welcoming community . . It makes many of us worry that the proposed shelter's operations wouldn't conform to the rosy picture the group is presenting to city officials . . Upwards of 15 ever-rotating people would be crammed into a dilapidated 100-year-old house on a busy street with no parking and one bathroom. . . No matter what this LTE says, opponents of this plan are not some small group of vocal neighbors crying "NIMBY," but rather a large group of homeowners and renters who care deeply about the integrity of their community. . . The homeless-shelters-everywhere crowd depend upon keeping Lawrence ignorant of their plans, just as they tried to sneak their shelter into the Barker neighborhood . . . the lawyer further states that the shelter would be for mothers and children, whereas at the meeting it was clear to all that the shelter would house entire families, to include fathers, uncles, etc. Anybody related to a child up to 15 would qualify. . . we're trying to defend the security of own children." Father_Barker

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

max1, is "not_holroyd" a "his" or a "she's?

Has the toughness of a man but writes like a woman referrrng to "potty talk". That sounds like a woman.

It makes no difference what neighborhood the families are in. What does make a difference is that the Salvation Army has decided they no longer what the reputation for trying to work with the overflow of Pee Wee Loring's place.

That is next. Then LINK.

Then the Christian church can bring back some of their scout activities to the church.

1200 Louisiana, by the way, would be a nice lot for EDAR.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

max1 (Anonymous) says… not_holroyd certainly doesn't want them in his neighborhood


Where did I say that? I'm close enough to Hawk's hood. Bring 'em on. I've suggested 1200 Louisiana numerous times.

Just more lies, from Max the puppy-hater.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

max1 (Anonymous) says… It's a hoot watching miserable old cranks tying to convince us that they've suddenly become altruistic. I got enough of that pretentious bull when several cranks from the Barker neighborhood started raising hell because a few homeless families might spend a couple of weeks in their neighborhood. “We're nice people, but we don't want those damned homeless kids tearing up our neighborhood. Our property values might drop.”


my, my. I guess Max does know Hawk.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

I'd rather have a homeless family in my neighborhood with the kids tearing up stuff, than college students destroying homes that all of a sudden are historic. Which is worse?college students burning furniture in the street, partying till 5am (and even their music is no good) or some families transient as they may be.

What I am more interested in about the Salvation Army or any other local agency is this: Is their focus on finding someone a job limited to Lawrence / Douglas county? OR do they try to relocated folks to where the work is? If not, then their is not much hope.

No more Margaret Thatcher, but this one will stay for a while

About pets!

"a parrot in a pirate White House".. :)

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"No one with a human heart wants children on the street." -OldEnuf2BYurDad

It's a hoot watching miserable old cranks tying to convince us that they've suddenly become altruistic. I got enough of that pretentious bull when several cranks from the Barker neighborhood started raising hell because a few homeless families might spend a couple of weeks in their neighborhood. "We're nice people, but we don't want those damned homeless kids tearing up our neighborhood. Our property values might drop."

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Pink_Sock 5 years, 1 month ago

Is it safe to speculate that the Salvation Army building is successfully infested with cockroaches brought in from the homeless scum?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 1 month ago

When services for the homeless do a better job of filtering out the abusers, ordinary people will be more supportive of homeless programs. No one with a human heart wants children on the street.

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greenworld 5 years, 1 month ago

Homeless= No home Unemployed and homeless= No money and no home No money and no home=worthless

These people our a failure not to themselves but rather to the system. See if the system is broken then everything around it trying to maintain a normal life becomes non-existant and worthless. I think Simon is the only one that has it figured out. Let's see he has been arrested dozens of times and has figured out that the free room and board, food at the jail is better than the shelters.

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Thinking_Out_Loud 5 years, 1 month ago

At 1:50, hawkperchedatriverfront repeated "With socialism you eventually run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher"

Which is a clever enough quote, but appears to be apocryphal. I can find no source where she actually said or wrote that. Although it seems to have become very popular over the blogosphere in the last 3-4 months.

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waka1 5 years, 1 month ago

dude this means a bunch of my budies or gonna be on the streets tonite

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macon47 5 years, 1 month ago

it is one thing to help a mother with starving childern but another thing when that mother has 3 or 4 kids wth different fathers and never married any of them read the birth announcments in the paper notice how few of the babies today had married parents. just more kids the grandparents have to raise because their own kids are degenerates

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"It is one thing to have a drunk on the doorstep and not willing to change any thing about their situation. It is another to have a woman in the poorhouse, the husband deceased and the younger 4 children of seven being placed out." -hawkperchedatriverfront

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/women-led-households-survive-52-typical/story.aspx?guid=%7B936F886F-A944-41BB-A56C-A6313A44B70B%7D The median income of households headed only by a woman was $22,592, compared with an overall median of $43,130 . . . Among all households, 26% were headed only by a woman for a total of about 31 million . . . This recession poses special concerns for how American families, which have become increasingly dependent on more than one income, will deal with the loss of one income

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tempting_butnothanks 5 years, 1 month ago

one truth that no liberal can tolerate:

You can't save everyone. No matter how hard you try and how much money & time you throw at a problem, you just cannot protect everyone from themselves. so, please stop telling me what to do with my money, I'm using it to keep myself off the streets.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

max1, our local "elitists' know little about history. The Orphan Train movement was started by some very similar to our own "elitists.

Mothers went to the poorhouse, the children were taken up and sent west to a "better" life. Some had it, some did not.

The Illiinois Children Aid Society is one agency I know of that participated in this. It has taken years to get scanty information released.

It is one thing to have a drunk on the doorstep and not willing to change any thing about their situation. It is another to have a woman in the poorhouse, the husband deceased and the younger 4 children of seven being placed out.

In our society that rarely happens. Perhaps it is time, not sure.

One thing for certain, the Salvation Army tries to keep the family together. The county poorhouses could not. 1893 and around 1890 there was a financial depression as well.

It all gets back again to:

With socialism you eventually run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher

The city of Lawrence needs to bow out of housing and assisting Pee Wee's playhouse. as they are already doo doo deep in public housing as it is.

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"There is nothing noble or heroic about enabling drunks and bums" -TheSicko-Phant "We loathe the United Socialist States of Amerika that is being crammed down our throats" -Guardian "Guardian, I understand. And I couldn't agree with you more." -bennyoates "Totally a NIMBY issue for me! " -OldEnuf2BYurDad

Feb. 14, 2009 http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/1035110.html Thousands of KC youths lack a home These days, increasingly, many are splintering away from families displaced by foreclosure. . . Don’t mistake these homeless for the weather-beaten man with a hand-lettered sign at the traffic light. Think, rather, of Shanté Cincotta, a senior at Wyandotte High School. She’s on the student council. She leads the cheerleading squad and loves theater. She earned five A-pluses on her last report card.

Feb 17, 2009 http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=9848999 Colorado Springs - Every week, as many as four families with children become homeless in town. They often do not go to traditional shelters because they may not be able to stay together. "If a mom, dad and two kids come in and the kids are boys, they're going with their mom on that side, and the husband's on (the other) side," explains Amy Dinofrio, president-elect of the Interfaith Hospitality Network (IHN). She says homeless families comprise about 40% of the local shelter population; and that nationally, the average age for a homeless person is 9.

Feb 17, 2009 http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090217/GPG0101/902170536/1207/GPG01 Homeless families with children represent 41 percent of the U.S. homeless population and are the fastest-growing segment, according to the U.S. Conference of Mayors. Nearly half of homeless people in suburban and rural areas are in families with children, according to the organization. The "typical" homeless family is a woman in her 20s with two children younger than age 6.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Hawk has never ever said not to have homeless in his neighborhood. Hawk has said that Pee Wee Loring'' s playhouse needs to go as it is not helping , those truly in need. It is a clubhouse. Just last nite , a common occurrence, four police cars and an ambulance. How many times a week does that go on there.

Bring homeless , the truly homeless to the 1200 block of La that "not_holroyd" is obsessed with, and probably cannot afford to buy anything. My understanding is that those properties for sale have not had any buyers with money. They were approached by the real estate imposters spoken about earier.

The city of Lawrence has run off the real monied people. The local money does not want competition in the big sense.

As for the Salvation Army, someone posted about how it would be nice to have it back in use as the church it started out to be, and that is a deserving comment.

LINK needs to go next. It has outlived it's useful ness in this town. It is being run by the do gooders max1 refers to.

Lawrence is an elitist community and hopefully the JW will pursue this more in editorials.

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autie 5 years, 1 month ago

It is a difficult issue in that I truly empathize for those who get a raw deal and do the best the can but loose all their stuff. On the hand, I have no sympathy for the lazy mooching bums that don't and won't get off their hind ends to try...but I think most of the lazies obviously are the individuals who have no accountability to anyone or anything...When it involves innocent children, that is a whole different set of priorities.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

photos of the kids staged as sally does not serve a meal on thursday They are relentless in their crap

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max1 5 years, 1 month ago

"Is there any sense of decency left in your hearts or minds?" -autie

You won't find any sense of decency in not_holroyd. not_holroyd always wants to dump all the homeless on Hawk. not_holroyd certainly doesn't want them in his neighborhood, and yet he constantly poses as a do-gooder.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

pace you are an idiot. they shared nothing but they took the city and legalized panhandling money (kettle) and made up for poor at best church attendance. Noone goes there or very few call that church their parish or whatever they call it in that cult. If they would not have gotten money they would have shared nothing with others. Stop trying to make it sound like they shared anything It was always about the bucks baby

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pace 5 years, 1 month ago

It will be nice to have the church back. I remember the fundraising to build the new gym for the youth and then the city asked SA to help with the homeless. The Salvation Army has gotten a lot of criticism for the work they do, because they don't do it to meet the needs of downtown, the ignorant or the hate mongers. Their goal is to help people who need help. Good luck to them and their new plan. We as a community should be supportive. We should also thank the church members who have shared their church with so many people for so long.

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alm77 5 years, 1 month ago

benny, yeah, I do know about them. I've helped at the wet shelter. I've been involved with other programs and I've had people live with me in my home who would have otherwise been homeless (on more than one occasion). I didn't "label" anyone. I stated that there are those who can and should be helped and those who can't because they either won't take their meds (crazies) or won't work (lazies). I also didn't say there shouldn't be programs. Did you read any of my previous comments or just the last one?

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bennyoates 5 years, 1 month ago

No, alm77, several of the people on this board are not in favor of helping families. They care about no one but themselves and their ability to express opinions that are stupid, cruel, and ignorant.

Your situation is your situation. It doesn't mean that there shouldn't be programs and services to help people that need them. You label people crazies and lazies and you know nothing about them.

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alm77 5 years, 1 month ago

autie, everyone here is in favor of helping families. Those kids are adorable and deserve a place to call their own. It's the single individuals we all have a hard time feeling for. My husband works 45 hours a week at an average American wage (look that up) and feeds, clothes, houses and insures our family of five (in Lawrence!). We're not on any government assistance. So, if he can do it, singlehandedly, for the 5 of us, why can't a single individual with no kids in tow? How do you help the crazies and lazies that aren't helping themselves? The only answer I've come up with is to keep them alive long enough to figure it out.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

misplacedcheesehead I am sure that salvation army considered him a success story when you are right he cheated society and cost every taxpayer money

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

How are they supposed to teach the skills to others of planning and follow thru when they did not do it themselves. Cmon dalberg you all just wanted ou. t say it

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Christine Anderson 5 years, 1 month ago

My ex-husband stayed at the shelter from last Sept. until the first week of May. He was one of those "cheaters" who worked at Vangent for the last four months he lived at the shelter. Yep, he was making $14 an hour, and staying there making that kind of money for four months! He later bragged that by doing that, he was able to pay off all his debts, and "clean up his credit". That doesn't change the fact that I'm worried about those who will have nowhere else to go, and are not making money that they could get a room with.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

The Salvation Army hasn’t yet identified apartments to use for the program. Smith said the organization would soon start approaching landlords. The goal, he said, is to have the apartment units scattered throughout the city.

So they have no concrete plan, they did not get the funding they want, no landlords have agreed to it. Yeah great move hypocrites

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

autie lil Deanna does not I know you are trying to be sarcastic but the bottom line is this. The salvation army has not helped her or her family and it is objectionable to me that these hypocrites would put them on p. 1 of the paper. You are supposed to lose your train of thought when you see that picture and back the crap that they do at salvation army. Yes they should get help A nasty filthy place like SA is no place for a child to be and there is no place there for her to play at all It is very sad but that picture is there for a reason They are there to be used as a means to an end and with you it worked autie

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autie 5 years, 1 month ago

Left wing, right wing, bums, drunks, shiftless lazy moochers...argues this and that...I kind of loose the train of thought on all that when I look at the picture up top..Yes, sir. Those poor little kids are everything you all talk about. Is there any sense of decency left in your hearts or minds? Somehow I just don't think you guys can lump it all together...maybe little Deanna Morrison just needs to get a better job.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 1 month ago

"I think it is time we bring back work camps."

Agreed, but I'm sure there's something "unethical" about refusing to give people a handout for nothing. If we did something like this... people would go nuts.

"The community also needs to do a better job luring employers here so that there are jobs for people to get, so that when people get laid off from one company, another can absorb those people instead of those people becoming just another homeless statistic."

That's helpful talk for those who are looking for work and stability. That's not helpful for the ones who have learned dependencies and cannot function beyond the rolling of a joint or the unrolling of a condom.

The "system" that's in place has turned men into children. Some of these men have been more harmed than helped by the myriad of services that have never expected anything from them.

Let me clarify one thing: I'm talking about adult, single grown drunk men. Frankly, if the city wanted to establish a shelter for families only, I'd put up the sales taxes for that. But these barfing, drunk pissers need to go away or get sober.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

They could not get a grant Why? they are not competent enough

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macon47 5 years, 1 month ago

the sa is making the right move, the more familys they can help the better. the less attractive we can be to the homeless beggars that drift into town looking for a handout the better off we are

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texasgal 5 years, 1 month ago

I myself know quite of few of the ones that are trying to get their lives back on track. Yes i have to agree that there are ones that dont want to do this. But then again What about the ones that have jobs and get welfare that keep staying at these shelters? I think if they have the job and all then they shouldnt get to stay at these places when they are using it for a crutch. Quite a few of them do this so they have their booze and drug money. Yes i have recently moved from Lawrence. Come on ya something needs to be done here. I could keep on about this but i wont because nothing will probably get done that needs to be done.

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Omegatron 5 years, 1 month ago

"Smith said the new Salvation Army housing program would be a major addition to the city’s homeless services scene. The program would allow a single homeless family or homeless individual to stay in an apartment for up to 24 months while they receive case management services from The Salvation Army and other social service agencies.

But the new program won’t be large enough to house everyone who stays at The Salvation Army’s shelter. The program is expected to serve a total of either five homeless families or individuals."

Not good enough. This program needs to be better. It needs to be modified so that the people staying there are assisted in finding jobs, saving money, and getting new housing all within a reasonable time frame. Months instead of years.

With those who don't want to take advantage of the opportunity to get back on their feet being turned away so that others can.

Need to set up the shelters with those types of goals in mind. We'll give you a place to stay as long as you take the job we help you get, save money, and after a certain amount of find a place to stay thus no longer be homeless.

The community also needs to do a better job luring employers here so that there are jobs for people to get, so that when people get laid off from one company, another can absorb those people instead of those people becoming just another homeless statistic.

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Pink_Sock 5 years, 1 month ago

What's being done w/ the Masonic Temple? Is that s***t still boarded up? Lemmy is god.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c0QaiheF34

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Meatwad 5 years, 1 month ago

Helping families is one thing, but giving a free ride to lazy or drug/alcohol addicted individuals is another. Lawrence does need to stop being a free ride to these people---we aren't helping them at all---we are only enabling them--- and Loring really needs to stop wanting to bring all of the homeless people in other states and cities to Lawrence.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Real estate executives is a pretty high falutin' term for Lawence. I havn't in the time I've been around seen many real estate executives in this community. Imposters maybe, but hardly executives.

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Pilgrim2 5 years, 1 month ago

merrill (Anonymous) says…

Closing the shelter eh. To open another one elsewhere is more likely.

Who bought the building is more like it?

Real estate executives have wanted the SA location out of their way. They seem to think homeless people will not congregate downtown if the shelter is gone. However every city has downtown homeless people. Homeless folks will migrate to downtown areas no matter where they sleep. Locking them up in the county jail is very expensive.

The overbuilding of multi family market/dwellings makes the opportunity just perfect.


Richard the one trick pony.

You never get even a little bit tired of seeing your name in print, do you?

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Pilgrim2 5 years, 1 month ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

Sorry, Mom's basement is full.


I forgot, you haven't moved out yet.

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Jim Phillips 5 years, 1 month ago

"Get used to it rightwinger. It's called Democracy!"

Wow! logrithmic, you really had some of us going with your pretend Liberal stuff. That rediculously funny comment just convinced me that you were really not so consumed with Bush-hate that you buried your head in the sand and refused to face reality. It's nice to know you really don't believe a government-run health care system, mandatory wealth distribution to make life fair, government run banks, and governmental control of corporate America is really Democracy. What a joker you are! Good job!

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

Yes, Marion, the old left is not at odds with true conservatives on a number of issues. And I mean true conservatives, which are hard to find in the Republican party. I think you may be right in that we both have a marked contempt for "contemporary liberals" and their flippant, "feel good, do good attitude."

Most significantly, I abhor political correctness, and champion individual (and collective) responsiblity. I despise the current trend of categorizing everything with a right/left liberal/conservative approach and solution. Life is far more complicated than that.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 1 month ago

TheSychophant (Anonymous) says…

Yes, I am over seventy, log, and thanks for your compliment. You should be congratulated, too. There is a difference between the “old left” of which I was a proud member, and the new so-called new left liberals. The old left regarded drunks and bums as “lumpen proletariat” beyond salavation. From our prespective, it wasn't that we lacked compassion for a starving bum, but that with war, racism and fascism and abject exploitation in the world, we felt compelled to work with the folks capable of redemption."

Marion writes:

Now you might have told us that some time ago.

And most specifically you might have told ME because we are really on just about the same page on any number of things.

I'll try to be nicer in future.

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Eride 5 years, 1 month ago

I think it is time we bring back work camps.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I am over seventy, log, and thanks for your compliment. You should be congratulated, too.
There is a difference between the "old left" of which I was a proud member, and the new so-called new left liberals. The old left regarded drunks and bums as "lumpen proletariat" beyond salavation. From our prespective, it wasn't that we lacked compassion for a starving bum, but that with war, racism and fascism and abject exploitation in the world, we felt compelled to work with the folks capable of redemption.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

oh merrill, please on the Plaza, you are talking of course about the Country Club Plaza? Well, lets look at this from a financial standpoint, all a guitar strummer in Lawrence would get is a downpayment on BK Burger shots, two of them.

The guitar dude would have a better chance at my The Moronic Temple. Free EDARs to the first 20 people on opening night.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

das, now we are getting somewhere with EDAR,you think Bush knows about it, you think Johnson knows about it, you surely don't think Price could it any land zoned do you?

Land is not the problem, I like the comment about how one has to earn EDAR. Now there is a plan.

We are getting closer to solving the problem of the ones at Pee Wee Loring's shelter. Just a few minutes ago, four police cars and an ambulance. This is a common occurrence.

This "homeless" is not a Lawrence thing but a quad county problem.

EDAR , build it and they will come.

Adopt an EDAR!

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 1 month ago

Closing the shelter eh. To open another one elsewhere is more likely.

Who bought the building is more like it?

Real estate executives have wanted the SA location out of their way. They seem to think homeless people will not congregate downtown if the shelter is gone. However every city has downtown homeless people. Homeless folks will migrate to downtown areas no matter where they sleep. Locking them up in the county jail is very expensive.

The overbuilding of multi family market/dwellings makes the opportunity just perfect.

One man on the Plaza is very clever. He strums a bit while his signs says " Down payment on a cheeseburger please"

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alm77 5 years, 1 month ago

" Death will get some before sobriety does. That's an unavoidable truth regardless of whether or not we have a shelter." Is it? I still think a shelter helps reduce those chances. I just want to keep people alive so they have the chance (especially when it takes a long, long time) to recover.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

Yeah I get the EDAR deal but where would they park them at night You want downtown and the library filled witht those

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

Hawk hates Lawrence. Hawk should move to Dalhart, where life is simpler and homeless shelters are not an issue.

Please encourage him. Save a life.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

"You misunderstand. We love America. We loathe the United Socialist States of Amerika that is being crammed down our throats–-for the moment."


Get used to it rightwinger. It's called Democracy!

"Logrithmic, we love the United States, we just hate you!"


You just made my day! Big kiss!

"And you have how many of them camping out in your back yard or sleeping in your “spare” room? Put up or shut up."


Sorry, Mom's basement is full.

God bless one and all!

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Pilgrim2 5 years, 1 month ago

EDAR - sure, if you've worked for it and earned it.

BTW, simply converting oxygen to carbon dioxide doesn't qualify.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

Log, I was registering black voters in the South in 1948, Almost got lyhched. Where were you?


I was in the great beyond. But if this statement were true, and not saying it wasn't, you'd be likely over 70. In which case I tip my hat to you for being in the struggle for a long time.

I've done some pretty crazy things as well. And I, like you, have lived to tell about it. Probably the most insane thing I did was doing a one person protest in Jacksonville, Florida in 1982, against Jerry Falwell at a gathering of some 5,000 of the Moral Majority. Needless to say, I was literally Bible thumped. Great fun. Bet u've got some stories to tell to.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 1 month ago

"I would agree with you except some people freeze to death rather than “hit rock bottom”. I would say that if someone sleeping on a mat with several other homeless people hasn't hit rock bottom, then perhaps they never will. I say feed 'em and keep 'em from freezing, as well as give them help"

That's just it: they ALL have help. Every homeless program and every shelter has resources for getting sober. They don't take advantage of those resources.

The sad truth is that some of them will freeze to death (get raped, stabbed, etc.) on their path toward "rock bottom". Death will get some before sobriety does. That's an unavoidable truth regardless of whether or not we have a shelter.

I fear the same that everyone else does, that men will simply die on the sidewalks. I worried about my own brother dying that way. It didn't change the fact that he needed to have some really bad %$&*@ happen in his life before he was going to take a path toward sobriety.

Our current approach has enabled addiction. We have supported addiction. We have encouraged addiction. All this is "indirect" support and encouragement, but it is encouragement non-the-less.

When a man's wife says "Get the #@*&^$ out of this house until you get sober!", he gets sober faster than if she just lets him remain the same. Lawrence needs a "Get the $%&^@ out of Lawrence or get sober!" mindset. I know from experience that this is how you fix these problems. Even the Bible says "if a man WON'T work, don't let him eat"

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das 5 years, 1 month ago

hawk -

You throw EDAR around like it's magic..... http://www.edar.org/ It's still a transient "tent" community. IT STILL NEEDS LAND and a willing environment. I proffer your front and back yards (I'll bet you have them). The EDAR unit is (to quote them)...."...a frame covered in canvas at night on the streets...". Sounds like the future to me - a cross between the river campgrounds that were leveled and a really horrible mobile canvas home park (minus the in-home plumbing, and electricity, and...). Go Team Solution!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

All of these posts and only I know about EDAR.

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righthanded 5 years, 1 month ago

What about the jobs that Hussein is creating?

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alm77 5 years, 1 month ago

old and sycho, I would agree with you except some people freeze to death rather than "hit rock bottom". I would say that if someone sleeping on a mat with several other homeless people hasn't hit rock bottom, then perhaps they never will. I say feed 'em and keep 'em from freezing, as well as give them help (real help, like a sober program or job resources, etc) but that's about it.

On the other hand, it's getting warmer out (well, it was anyway..) and they are less likely to die from exposure, so perhaps you're correct that not having a hot nor a cot might do someone some good right now.

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

There is a whole lot I could tell you from theft to unethical treatment of people but that is headed for the courts soon

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

The Salvation Army building will continue to be used community activities such as youth league basketball I imagine. It just won't be used to house the homeless.

God bless!

you are an idiot

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couranna1 5 years, 1 month ago

I have said all along the hypocrites at the salvation army would do this, though from what I've been told they lied to people til today. They will get money for this to pad their pockets and that is what they are about We think this will do the most good for people who desperately need help,” said Aaron Smith Did he say that with a straight face. He is not even a corps member just a fundraiser for them. I really think they should be investigated for misusing funds they get. They use people spout off a little about god and pretend to take the high road. Problem is they have never been there so it is impossible for them to pull off. This ia an economic move ONLY and not to help people as the article stated they will help five The shelter has 50 beds 42 for men 8 for women so they cannot even get that right Wes and Susan Dalberg, are not caring peoploe and are only interested in the bottom line. Liz Coleman the manager who was relieved of her position after unethical behavior continues to work there as a asst when she should have been fired for her actions. Why? She attends the church after I personally being assured she would be fired. There will be people who lose their jobs over this so I am guessing they will get the help first so how many will this really help? In this economic time they are doing the most good by closing it? What a joke. Lawrence stop them from the legalized panhandling of kettles and chess on 10th St. they beg for your money as if they need it and where does it go now that they are closing. They going to give it back? To the people there who are trying to make a better way, good luck to you. There are not a lot but more than five and if it is like everything else only the favorites who buy their religious crap will be served. They are only in this to pad the pockets and do the leaswt amount of work DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING TO THE SALVATION ARMY. Donate to organization that is not phony

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

I will bet that the apartment complexes are already lined up. The Salvation Army wouldn' t just drop what they are doing without some planning. You see, the salvation army has figured out finally that what they have going on New Hampshire has turned into a travesty.

Now Loring Henderson needs to have the plug pulled at the Drop In Center and then this issue can settle back to reality and the pieces can be picked up. This isn't a Lawrence problem but Lawrence has made it so, because it is a "cause"

This really is a county problem and maybe even a quad county problem, Franklin county, Douglas county, LeavenworthCounty and Johnson County.

So now we have Family Promise with families in churches and Salvation Army with families or individuals in apartment for up to two years (and they move on) and we have the whole Section 8 program that provides for a tenant to pay only 30 per cent of their income toward rent and in some cases, rent includes utilites and cable.

Then the city has a program administered through Neighborhood Resources (they have to do something to justify their existence)

I just wonder how astute the candidates running for commission are about the facilites and services already present for those in need.?

EDAR, so far not one of them or anyone else has been smart enough to address this. The future is in EDAR.

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shirinisb 5 years, 1 month ago

Maybe the homeless just need ELECTROLITES

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

cowboy, that $41,000 might still be used to supplement rent. That Neighborhood Resources department needs to be written about and how they use money to house people all, the while ignoring the neighborhoods they use as the pawns.

There is more money at City Hall than we ever may hear about.

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cowboy 5 years, 1 month ago

Thats fine Salvation Army , the city will now withdraw the $41,000 planned for you in 2009 and further more your license to solicit donations in Lawrence is hereby cancelled. Have a nice day !

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Pilgrim2, they won't be anyplace but in a EDAR. God, how many dumb people in this town? Am I the only one who knows about EDAR.

A chicken in every pot An EDAR in every lot

Get ready Lawrence,, planning/zoning, neighborhood groups, malls, Burcham Park.

EDAR is the new way to go.

Lawrence is so far behind rest of the country. This town is stuck in dumb mode.

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Pilgrim2 5 years, 1 month ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

The rightwing - always quick to jump on the down and out and the neediest members of our society. Why do they hate America so much?


And you have how many of them camping out in your back yard or sleeping in your "spare" room? Put up or shut up.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

EDAR, EDAR, EDAR

A chicken in every pot, An EDAR in every lot

All these brilliant people who post on here and I am the only one who is bright enough to know what lies ahead for Lawrence. God, this town is so dumb. Why doesn't' the Chamber of Commerce just connect with the Final Exit Network and purchase enough kits and give them away at the next home show.

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macon47 5 years, 1 month ago

more smoke and mirrors stay tuned for the next big announcement

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jumpin_catfish 5 years, 1 month ago

Left wingers so fast to jump all over those right wingers.Oh, wings that sounds goooood!

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drugcompton 5 years, 1 month ago

tell us this Maid Marion...what concern is any of this to you? Now run along, your mommy needs some toilet paper.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

I am surprised that no one at city hall, the progressives who want to help homeless, and Loring Henderson are not addressing EDAR.

Marion, you and max1 can surely help to educate this community on EDAR. That is what is coming next to Lawrence, it really is. The planning and zoning and Downtown Lawrence Inc. need to be thinking outside the cart because EDAR is where it is at. EDAR

A chicken in every pot An EDAR in every lot.

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. Margaret Thatcher

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

:I've said this before, and I am sure history will prove me right: you give these men enough nights freezing in the cold, hungry and they will eventually wake up and say “I need to get sober”. That's how you deal with them "

Well said, Oldenuf. Its been the mantra of addiction specialists for decades. Some addicts won't help themselves until they've jit bottom.

Makes sense to me.

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greenworld 5 years, 1 month ago

This will not solve the problem and many homeless I imagine will stay close to downtown because it's the closest thing to the river which is another underground homeless area ran by the homeless and also downtown is a primary spot to still be able to panhandle.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

Log, I was registering black voters in the South in 1948, Almost got lyhched. Where were you?

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Andrew Stahmer 5 years, 1 month ago

I'd heard from several men at the Douglas Co. Jail (where I do volunteer work) that while the Salvation Army dry shelter isn't exactly the Waldorf-Astoria, it's a whole lot better than the booze-accepting alternative (where you stand a fair change of either getting urinated or vomited on.) Of course our jail beats them both (hey, our jail could rival a motel 6!) It will be interesting to see if they get an increase of inmates.

On the other hand this new apartment program sounds very encouraging...perhaps it can be expanded in the near future.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 1 month ago

Ask around to see who's got the option on the current Sally location.

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Steve Jacob 5 years, 1 month ago

Ever thought the Army is closing because the open shelter is taking away some of it's money?

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bennyoates 5 years, 1 month ago

Guardian says: You misunderstand. We love America. We loathe the United Socialist States of Amerika that is being crammed down our throats–-for the moment. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Guardian, I understand. And I couldn't agree with you more. Since I like how you think so much, here's a link guaranteed to cheer you and barrypenders up:

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?aid=366

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madmike 5 years, 1 month ago

Logrithmic, we love the United States, we just hate you!

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 1 month ago

old enuf..mischeese.. I highly suggest you read the habitat thread. ;)

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 1 month ago

"Hey, why don't the homeless take part in building the Habitat Homes? If they put enough time in building it, they can get a house themselves. Or they could have Habitat Shelter. That has a nice ring to it."

That idea is beyond the level of functioning these men have. Show up... and WORK? Also, it's my understanding that most habitat homes require both work (many hours, sober) and a mortgage loan. Members of the Urine Squad aren't up to either of those requirements.

I've said this before, and I am sure history will prove me right: you give these men enough nights freezing in the cold, hungry and they will eventually wake up and say "I need to get sober". That's how you deal with them. That's not "hate", that's reality. Ask a former addict, and they'll agree. Addicts are motivated by pain. When the pain of being addicted overcomes the pain of no longer being medicated, they will move toward change. We SUPPORT addiction with the wet shelter policies we see in this town.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 1 month ago

hey Guardian, its obvious Logrithmic needs his meds adjusted, very seriously adjusted.

of the two shelters, the Sally is the responsible one, and requires some responsibility from those who use it. I am sad to hear it is closing. it is too bad they don't have enough resources to do both, the shelter and the apartment program. the two certainly could compliment each other. and the Army has the better track record than the "open shelter" regarding their guests. personal preference: close the drunken/druggy shelter, put money to keep the Sally going with shelter and allow them to do the apartment program too. then, you'd see some of the bums here "self-deport" to other inclines. and those who are trying to turn their lives in the right direction would get the help more often.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

No problem with a shelter in the 1200 block of LA. One of the owners has even considered donating a property for that use, long before this discussion came along. However, it must be used for and by the Salvation Army for those who wish to continue their education and in the event, Sallie Mae ever sold the property the proceeds would go to another city for a specific use in that community.

I am sure the Alumni Center won't mind it after all, they have had to look at the property that Mr. Banks has been representing and he at any Price hasn't had much luck in tearing it down.

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Christine Anderson 5 years, 1 month ago

I like myopinionmatters's idea. Will The Army still be offering meals and church services? Yes, there are some persons who stay there who do avail themselves of "higher power" help.

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Norma Jeane Baker 5 years, 1 month ago

"If the “new” program can potentially help 5 families or individuals, that leaves 37 persons who used to be able to stay at the shelter out in the cold, literally."

SA is closing the doors on May 1. That gives their current 'residents' more than two months to make other housing arrangements. And, by May 1, they won't be out in the cold, at least not too cold.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 1 month ago

I thing this is very interesting. This is a philisophical flip for the SA. They'd rather do good work with half a dozen families than put up with the same group of broken men stabbing each other over drugs in their front yard every weekend.

The day they close that place, the downtown merchants and the cops will be buying up every bottle of champagne in town. There's going to be a party.

I hope they sell the building. The corner is very valuable.

Keep your eyes open for the "overflow" location. Totally a NIMBY issue for me!

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Jim Phillips 5 years, 1 month ago

"logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

The rightwing - always quick to jump on the down and out and the neediest members of our society. Why do they hate America so much?"

You misunderstand. We love America. We loathe the United Socialist States of Amerika that is being crammed down our throats----for the moment.

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Christine Anderson 5 years, 1 month ago

I don't find this funny. I do believe this was a difficult decision for The Army to make. I applaud their future plans to help folks get into apts. However, I am also very worried about those persons who will die of exposure for lack of shelter. If the "new" program can potentially help 5 families or individuals, that leaves 37 persons who used to be able to stay at the shelter out in the cold, literally.

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TheRealDecider 5 years, 1 month ago

ronder no equar rander framingdragonmaster.

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50YearResident 5 years, 1 month ago

Free room and board for two years, spread them out over town to avoid a single high crime area. We can double or triple the number of homeless in no time at all.

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tempting_butnothanks 5 years, 1 month ago

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

The rightwing - always quick to jump on the down and out and the neediest members of our society. Why do they hate America so much?


Why do you always point at the "right wing" when looking at problems? What is wrong with having a group of people who don't necessarily think the government should hold our hand and pat us on the head and tell us everything will be alright because big brother will save you if you F-up your entire life with piss-poor choices? I totally understand that not everything that happens to people is because of choices, but I also understand that most of what does happen to people is exactly because of choices. Why do you "left wingers" have to be coddled so much and bury your heads in the sand to the root of problems as opposed to actually looking at the root of the problem and telling people "tough sh!t, you made your bed, lie in it"

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flamingdragon 5 years, 1 month ago

just what we hoped for. more yankees wondering the streets of your once proud nation. keep shopping at wal-mart. millions of us chinese are counting on you.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

Correction, logrithmic. I am leftwing. There is nothing noble or heroic about enabling drunks and bums when there are so many more pressing and worthy matters to deal with. You want to save a drunk? How bout you forget the drunk and find the courage to be involved in saving the world from the warmongers, war profiteers, and greedy millionaires.


Does this include the owners of such renowned and well advertised brands of alcohol such as Miller, Budweiser, Coors, various wine and liquor companies - you know - since they advertise how their products are so "fun" and yet you see nothing, I mean nothing, about the potential for addiction or the horrors that can come from irresponsible drinking (with the exception of DWIs of course).

(And read my other posts - I do a great deal of ranting about the warmongers and millionaires in our midst. Where have you been? I hope you'll join me in criticizing the military and its industrial complex - including the bioweapons lab scheduled for Manhattan.)

May God bless

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

Bowhunter99 (Anonymous) says… "I think the 1100-1400 block of Prospect Avenue is a great place for the homeless to go and camp out… The people in that area love homeless… they're strong advocates and love to repeat themselves over and over…."

I completely agree it would be a "win-win" situation and makes dollars and sense/

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 1 month ago

I think the 1100-1400 block of Prospect Avenue is a great place for the homeless to go and camp out... The people in that area love homeless... they're strong advocates and love to repeat themselves over and over....

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

Correction, logrithmic. I am leftwing. There is nothing noble or heroic about enabling drunks and bums when there are so many more pressing and worthy matters to deal with. You want to save a drunk? How bout you forget the drunk and find the courage to be involved in saving the world from the warmongers, war profiteers, and greedy millionaires.

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Pudgy1 5 years, 1 month ago

2) Word may spread that Lawrence isn't quite the free ride that it's been.

Isn't that just what the left wants Lawrence to be?

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cheeseburger 5 years, 1 month ago

Easy (Anonymous) says… Soon, Lawrence will have a designated camping area for the homeless then all will be right in the world.

Yeah, at Hilda's house on El Dorado Drive!

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Norma Jeane Baker 5 years, 1 month ago

This may be a very good thing for two reasons:

1) Families (or individuals) who really want to work and be helped out of homelessness may be given the tools to truly suceed.

2) Word may spread that Lawrence isn't quite the free ride that it's been.

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TheRealDecider 5 years, 1 month ago

I had a hamster that lived in a Habitrail House. It could be something like that. That would be super cool if the local homeless could build a big one of those with an exercise wheel and cool tunnels all over the place connecting rooms and a water bottle on the side. And we could all sit on benches outside and watch them run and run. That would definitely be worth the tax dollars I think. Get one of those plastic balls that Wayne Coyne uses and let them out once in a while to bounce off walls around town. Drop in some alfalfa treats once in a while. Watch them eat their young. I should run for city commission.

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Easy 5 years, 1 month ago

Soon, Lawrence will have a designated camping area for the homeless then all will be right in the world.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

The rightwing - always quick to jump on the down and out and the neediest members of our society. Why do they hate America so much?

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Bob Forer 5 years, 1 month ago

Great. Its about time the Army realized that building their ranks of "saved souls" by enticing the hapless and perpetual drunks and bums with a hot and a cot was a losing proposition. Sounds like they are headed in the right direction--helping people who are also willing to help themselves.

Looks like Loring Henderson now has a monopoly on the bum market. With this news, he's probably salivating and frothing at the mouth.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

Overflow location block of 1200 Louisiana. They can help construct the new streets.

Candidate Banks can help you with the paperwork.

Problem solved.

The end.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

The Salvation Army building will continue to be used community activities such as youth league basketball I imagine. It just won't be used to house the homeless.

God bless!

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myopinionmatters 5 years, 1 month ago

Hey, why don't the homeless take part in building the Habitat Homes? If they put enough time in building it, they can get a house themselves. Or they could have Habitat Shelter. That has a nice ring to it.

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fearsadness14 5 years, 1 month ago

You know, I think a lot of the homeless in this town are way passed the "emergency" shelter point in their lives. This has turned into their own personal life, and it is now the way they live.

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Nonsense 5 years, 1 month ago

What happens to the building?

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