Archive for Thursday, December 24, 2009

Senate OKs health care measure, reaching milestone

Victoria Kennedy, widow of Sen. Ted Kennedy, hugs Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, Thursday, Dec. 24, on Capitol Hill in Washington, as Sen. Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., looks on at center, after the Senate passed the health care reform bill.

Victoria Kennedy, widow of Sen. Ted Kennedy, hugs Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, Thursday, Dec. 24, on Capitol Hill in Washington, as Sen. Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., looks on at center, after the Senate passed the health care reform bill.

December 24, 2009

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— The U.S. Senate has passed President Barack Obama's landmark health care overhaul in a climactic Christmas Eve vote, extending medical insurance to 30 million Americans.

The bill requires nearly all Americans to buy insurance and forbids insurance companies from denying coverage based on patients' pre-existing conditions.

The 60-39 vote on a cold morning capped months of arduous negotiations and 24 days of floor debate. It followed a succession of failures by past Congresses to get to this point. Vice President Joe Biden presided as 58 Democrats and two independents voted "yes." Republicans unanimously voted "no."

The Senate's bill must still be merged with legislation passed by the House before Obama could sign a final bill in the new year.

There are significant differences between the two measures but Democrats say they've come too far now to fail.

Vicki Kennedy, the widow of the late Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, who made health reform his life's work, watched the vote from the gallery.

"This morning isn't the end of the process, it's merely the beginning. We'll continue to build on this success to improve our health system even more," Majority Leader Harry Reid said before the vote. "But that process cannot begin unless we start today ... There may not be a next time."

The House passed its own measure in November. The White House and Congress have now come further toward the goal of a comprehensive overhaul of the nation's health care system than any of their predecessors.

Comments

grammaddy 5 years, 6 months ago

YYYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! Merry Christmas to all!!

ivalueamerica 5 years, 6 months ago

Health Care is a right.

Thank God for this Christmas Gift.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 6 months ago

Care to provide where in the bill of rights or constitution of the United States that healthcare is a right. Even if this monster gets reconciled with the house bill and the presidente' signs it, this isn't the end of it yet. the tide is turning on you liberals and your brief moment in the sun is about to dim, so enjoy it while you can.

calvin 5 years, 6 months ago

How the he!! is healthcare a right? The Senate proved they know nothing about rights...they just started toward taking away our right of getting decent medical care.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

Even after reconciliation, this will be a badly flawed bill. Every positive aspect was paid for with massive gifts to Big Health, which means that very little was done hold down the costs of medical care.

As Senator Bernie Sanders said after Republicans killed the debate and vote on a single-payer plan (the Party of No doesn't want to actually debate the real issues of access to healthcare,) eventually, the American people will demand that our corrupt mess of private health insurance be scrapped altogether. But that will probably only happen when it's no longer possible for wealthy special interests to buy the votes of members of the US Congress, be they Republican or Democrat.

Jason Bailey 5 years, 6 months ago

@grammaddy: Actually, your comment should read, "Fluuuuuussssshhh!" That's our future economy going down the toilet with the massive deficit spending that will be incurred due to this abomination.

LBJ's Great Society is nearly complete. Now onward to stripping out the right to bear arms and our turn to the darkside will be complete.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 6 months ago

The Senate bill is deeply flawed and the reconciliation process still lies ahead, but today there is one thing that is known for sure:

a massive fail for the predatory insurance companies and their right wing tools.

Months of hysterical fear mongering, lies and massive propaganda have not turned back the will of the American people for fundamental change from the current abusive system. That, now indisputible, fact makes for a very sweet Christmas indeed.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 6 months ago

I generally like to get kissed when I get........!

phoggyjay 5 years, 6 months ago

so everyone didn't have a problem with Bush giving wall st. a bailout in almost the same amount? i'm a cancer survivor, and i'd like to know why the health care bill is so bad when nobody will cover my ass while most of you posting have insurance! nobody will give me a second chance to stay cancer free! think about it. merry christmas all you scrooges!

Centerville 5 years, 6 months ago

How are you a cancer survivor? I thought everyone without 'Cadillac' insurance was DOA.

skinny 5 years, 6 months ago

Next they'll be wanting us to pay for their car and gas!

This is crazy!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Dear Leader has a piece of paper he can wave above his head & declare "peace in our time".

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 6 months ago

catfish, watch the documentary sicko. then tell me its not a right.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Phoggyjay posted the same comment somewhere else in this forum....word for word. There are still 26 million not covered under this bill. No one said health care does not need reforms. However this bill, the Cornhusker Husking, and the Louisiana Purchase, combined with bribes for most other democrats is not the way to go. Merry Christmas to you too Phoggyjay and everyone else. Are we allowed to say Merry Christmas?

M. Lindeman 5 years, 6 months ago

scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

The Senate bill is deeply flawed and the reconciliation process still lies ahead, but today there is one thing that is known for sure:

a massive fail for the predatory insurance companies and their right wing tools.

Months of hysterical fear mongering, lies and massive propaganda have not turned back the will of the American people for fundamental change from the current abusive system. That, now indisputible, fact makes for a very sweet Christmas indeed.

rdragon writes:

This had nothing to do with the will of the American people!!! 66% of the American people didn't want this, the House and the Senate wanted it. scott3460 you should stop spewing lies and half truths.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

phoggyjay - we all have our crosses to bear. But, what happens if you have a recurrence (God forbid) in the near future and you have to wait until 2014 for the Obama/Pelosi gift to kick in? Then, the panel tells you that you can't have the expensive drug that will save your life? If you think this bill provides better health care, research it a little further.

BTW, I think many voters had a problem with the Bush giveaway. That's why so many incumbents will be singing the blues in 2010.

doubledogleg 5 years, 6 months ago

huge tax increase! wait till inflation from all Obama spending kicks in. Everyone will be making 200k and paying the new "tax on the rich." Meanwhile, u will have to call your Congressman to get a doctor's appointment.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Thank you honeychild. This Christmas is looking like one of the best ever for me. Even got to see Trans Siberian Orch. yesterday.

Anyone else see where the congressional budget office caught an error in the democratic bill: counted projected savings from Medicare twice? The real damage is 170 billion added to the deficit with the senate's bill. I feel like Gomer on Mayberry RFD. Suprise, Suprise, Surprise!

pfunk81 5 years, 6 months ago

The greatest thing about this is how many people its gonna p*ss off! Cry more, republicans.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 6 months ago

"This had nothing to do with the will of the American people!!! 66% of the American people didn't want this, the House and the Senate wanted it. scott3460 you should stop spewing lies and half truths."

I'm not the one spewing the lies, R. I never claimed 66% of the public wanted what's contained in the Senate health care reform bill. What I said was that the forces of maintaining the status quo had failed. Many are dissatisfied with the Senate bill because it goes too far, and many are dissatisfied because it does not go far enough. But one thing is clear, those who profited from the status quo have failed to frustrate the will of the public for change.

8ball 5 years, 6 months ago

free health care,mortgage relief,extended unemployment benefits,food stamps,welfare. etc.i may never work again,there truly is a santa claus

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Scott....Not one person said maintain the status quo. That was just democratic hog wash. The republicans proposed starting with tort reform, allowing insurance to be purchased across state lines, and a host of other changes. Can you give us an example of some member of congress saying...."Let's maintain the status quo"?

Mixolydian 5 years, 6 months ago

The democrats came up with a brilliant plan to make everyone insured:

Get health insurance or face steep fines and/or imprisonment.

If it works for healthcare, lets solve unemployment the same way:

Get a job or face steep fines an/or imprisonment.

Ditto for poverty:

Secure income to put you above the poverty level or face steep fines and/or imprisonment.

Brilliant!

wisdom 5 years, 6 months ago

what a shame. so many of you uneducated think that you now get FREE health care. the bill requires everyone to BUY healthcare, or be penalized. IF this bill was sooooo good, then why must they pass it in the wee hours of the am??? transperancy where. And think the 60 votes were paid for, they didn't vote because they thought it was a good bill, they voted because they outsmarted the repub's. the repub's were not allowed in the room to negotiate. And this is a good thing? HOW?

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 6 months ago

lee, you literally got a good LOL out of me w/ that gomer quote. and i could hear him saying it as i read that-- man i used to love that show!

anyway, that's it for me politically this morning... i have to work plus i have to think about doing the various odds n ends like wrapping gifts and such later on. plus i have to work my retail gig this evening until 10:30. should be fun. :/

happy holidays, everyone. :)

Scott Drummond 5 years, 6 months ago

Leedavid:

Of course not. The republicans are not quite stupid enough to state their intentions so clearly. Nevertheless, anyone paying attention this summer and fall has witnessed a massive effort (financed by the profits skimmed from the insurance premiums we pay) to maintain the status quo. So, what I said was: "a massive fail for the predatory insurance companies and their right wing tools." And I am correct.

Many do not think limiting or preventing redress in the courts of the land constitutes reform.

Buying insurance across state lines? Why do you suppose that is not currently possible? Were you to do an honest assessment you'd find corrupt and anti-competitive insurance company interests at the bottom of the current state by state scheme.

Richard Payton 5 years, 6 months ago

Get to pay for this crap for three years and not get to use it! That's like paying for a car for three year before your allowed to drive it off the dealers lot. I don't need another bill by the government already making payments to the IRS! Just another new tax from my viewpoint. This isn't a Christmas gift we all will pay for Barry's decision. Granted the pre-existing clause needed revised but socialism no way!

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Scott....you do know auto insurance, home insurance, life insurance is purchased across state lines. Just the democratic health insurance is not allowed to be purchased across state lines. Why would that be?

No honest person saw republicans hold up anything. They simply do not have the votes. If you check the history of this bill you will see democrats fighting democrats for this bill. Democrats having to be bought out for support. Democrats fighting for and against abortion and the like. You may have seen unhappy republicans, but they had no vicie in this bill, not one footprint.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

what a bunch of incompetent boobs. "hooray, we are increasing working class Americans' tax burden, in order to subsidize those who can't or won't provide for themselves. we're all such good leaders." I can't wait for the price tag to be tallied.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

what a bunch of self congratulatory boobs. I just can't say it enough.

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

Hey Tom, I told you it would pass before the end of the year. Your previous predictions that health-care reform would never pass, like almost all your political predictions, have been proven false. You are like the anti-Notradamus. If you bet on sports, I imagine others could make a fortune just by betting the exact opposite.

Also, you are aware that the definition of "elite" is "best," don't you? Are you sure that is the word you want to use again and again in your attempts at insulting everyone who doesn't hold your political beliefs?

Merry Christmas everyone!

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

I think Tom doesn't believe that those people are elite, but I do believe that those who he describes thinks that they are elite.

EXks 5 years, 6 months ago

A lot of you would really delight in taking away Tiny Tim's crutches wouldn't you.

Merry X-mas!!!

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Beatrice...healthcare passed?????? Where? Here in the United States the bill has not passed. It has a long way to go. Where do you live?

Just kidding, you did get my point though. And I wish you a very Merry Christmas

MYOB 5 years, 6 months ago

I wonder how many idiots will run to their doctors next week to claim their "right" thinking this is a done deal.....

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

I will be so relieved when I see the President sign the final bill into law. There is no reason for the Republicans fighting this every step of the way. It is like dealing with an unruly two year old who has their arms crossed over their chests, their lower lip stuck out and they just stand there and look at you hoping to out wait you. This time it is not going to work.

pace 5 years, 6 months ago

Making fun of a cancer surviver, lying about people needing and wanting access to coverage. I called the GOP donothings, I should just say Wingers can't do it right. We need reform, with the mountain of crap the republicans threw. I was sure that some republicans would have the decency to work with the democrats to craft health reform. I was sickened by the total regime embrace of hatred.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Pace was sick of the hatred....When did this start? Before or after Obama got elected? There was plenty of hate from the left over the last eight years and the left had no problem with that. Now they care.

Again....if you could you show how the republicans had anything to do with this bill. What did they obstruct? Were they invited into the closed door meetings with Reid? Reid and Obama? Were they apart of any group that crafted this bill? Were they invited to one step of this process? The big delays were the results of democrats fighting with democrats.

wastewatcher 5 years, 6 months ago

I hope all of the supporters are happy that they can now pay higher taxes to pay off the bribes to Louisiana and Nebraska and all of the others. How soon Obama forgets his campaign promises and tells us to buzz off.

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

LD: "There was plenty of hate from the left over the last eight years and the left had no problem with that. Now they care."

And now you don't. So what is your point exactly?

Just because some people are proven to be hypocrits, this now gives you the okay to be a hypocrit yourself? If you ever complained about the name-calling directed at President Bush, yet you now call President Obama names, then you are a hypocrit. Simple as that.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Beatrice....so you didn't call Bush names. I see. You have always been civil.

We on the right get to give the left all the love they gave us over the last eight years. And they are giving us so much material to work with from Afghanistan, to the economy, to the unemployment rate, to health care, and all the drama of back door meetings, billions in pay offs. Yep pay back is going great. With midterm elections on the way....its going to be great I tell you.

I know you get my point now.

Stuart Evans 5 years, 6 months ago

Irish (Irish Swearingen) says… I will be so relieved when I see the President sign the final bill into law. There is no reason for the Republicans fighting this every step of the way. It is like dealing with an unruly two year old who has their arms crossed over their chests, their lower lip stuck out and they just stand there and look at you hoping to out wait you. This time it is not going to work.


are you serious? you would rather that everyone in Congress just roll over and give in to every piece of legislation put forth? I bet that you would feel differently if this wasn't something Obama had pushed for.

Maybe if the Democrats in this instance would have at least considered some of the Republicans ideas and tried to incorporate them into the process it would not have been such a one sided bill. The Democratic leadership said "this is what we want, and be damned if you're going to change it". But it didn't matter because there weren't enough Republicans to even voice a fight. So the Democrats had to fight it out amongst themselves by buying votes with millions and millions of dollars in earmarks.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

Health Care Reform is on the way! Am I all fired up? Yes! Ready to go? Yes! I wish the Obama family a Merry Christmas and a good time in Hawaii.

jaywalker 5 years, 6 months ago

Freakin' hilarious. All this gripin' and groanin' 'bout the evil health insurance companies and big pharma makin' oodles of cash......and all this does is make them that much more loaded. Hypocrites and morons --- UNITE! This crappola has done nada to actually solve the problem which is the high cost of care. Hypocrites and morons.......

Richard Heckler 5 years, 6 months ago

National Health Insurance is the only fiscal responsible proposal.

All others will increase the cost of insurance including changing nothing.

National Health Insurance makes the nation more employable to include new jobs in the health care industry.

Let's not be stupid about this.

The USA is the only industrialized country NOT providing medical insurance or care for its’citizens.

National Health Insurance is the ONLY proposal NOT connected to corporate american insurance. Politicians are still concerned for themselves and their election campaigns while you and I pick up the cost of their insurance. Each of the many politicians could easily afford to pay their own way. Yet you and I are doing so.

Why should taxpayers be forced to pay insurance for elected officials? They say paying for mine is not affordable. Then how is theirs affordable? Think about it. How many times are we paying considering the number of politicians in our lives?

All taxpayers need coverage, taxpayers need relief and big time reduction in cost.

National Health Insurance is the only equitable approach that includes all of us.

National Health Insurance: 1. *Eliminates Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

How do you feel about your tax dollars being used to pay Nebraska's share of Medicade? “…Nelson's deal with Reid has attracted the most attention because it exempts Nebraska from paying its share of Medicaid expenses in perpetuity. Medicaid expenditures are among the most expensive federal mandates on state governments, and the Obamacare bill will significantly increase costs for all other states that don't somehow wangle a similar deal. It also raises a constitutional issue, which McMasters explained in a statement issued earlier today: "The Nelson provision is unusual in that there is not cut off date or phase out. Many provisions in federal law have a sunset date -- say 2, 5, 10, or even 20 years-- but this provision will continue in perpetuity. Quite obviously, this issue raises very serious concerns about equity, tax fairness as well as the constitutionality of having federal tax levies and mandates that treat one state differently from all the others. "If the Nelson provision is not unprecedented, I feel comfortable in saying it is an exceptionally rare occurrence. States generally are treated in a similar manner. In this case, Nebraska will be treated in a widely divergent manner than any other state. "Beginning today, I have instructed my attorneys to begin looking into the constitutionality of this provision and exploring the options that may be available to South Carolina and other states to defend taxpayers should this provision ultimately become law." My colleague David Freddoso wonders what might happen if the governors of states bordering Nebraska - Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, Iowa, and Missouri - announce that they are no longer funding their Medicaid programs and encourage those needing Medicaid services to visit the Cornhusker state.” http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obamacare-sparking-10th-Amendment-rebellion-79937187.html

bisky1 5 years, 6 months ago

does anyone know why we don't just fix our (real) current health system problems and move forward (not on)? maybe it is just about power and control

Richard Heckler 5 years, 6 months ago

Healthcare-NOW! opposes the current health legislation for the following reasons:

  1. During the time that it will take for the health insurance legislation to begin (2013 in the House version and 2014 in the Senate version), tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Americans will die.

  2. Millions of people will remain uninsured: 17 million in the House version and 24 million in the Senate version.

  3. Medical bankruptcies will continue as families will face out-of-pocket costs up to $10,000 in addition to the cost of premiums and the cost of uncovered services.

  4. People who are uninsured will suffer the further indignity of being forced to pay a fine which may be as high as 2.5% of their income (House version).

  5. The number of people who are under-insured will increase. There is no guarantee that premiums will be affordable even for those who qualify for federal subsidies. It offers a “public option” so small and weak (and estimated to be more expensive than private insurance) that it is set up to serve as an example of failure.

  6. People will continue to be consigned to only receiving the quality of care that they can afford. Instead of a standardized benefit plan that covers all necessary care, people will have to choose from a tiered set of plans. The least expensive plans will cover only 60% of necessary care and patients will be required to pay the balance.

  7. The legislation will not control healthcare costs and will increase the waste in healthcare spending. The regulation of insurance companies, which is predicted to fail by industry whistleblowers, will be expensive to enforce. The “exchange” will add another level of bureaucracy which in Massachusetts has added a 4%surcharge to each insurance premium.

  8. Private health insurance will be given 30 million more customers, and its stranglehold on the healthcare industry will be even greater. The legislation transfers hundreds of billions of public dollars to private insurance companies. Between $447 and $605 billion in public dollars (depending on the Senate or House version) will be given to the private insurers in the form of subsidies.

  9. The bill writes into law protection for the drug manufacturers from having to deal with the collective purchasing power of the American people. Pharmaceutical corporations have already raised prices on brand name prescriptions by 9% this year. Bio-tech firms receive a windfall 12 year patent on new pharmaceuticals.

  10. The legislation continues to allow discrimination based on age and immigration status. Older enrollees can be charged up to twice as much as younger enrollees. And enrollees will be required to prove citizenship in order to receive subsidies. Non-citizens will be required to bear the full cost of purchasing insurance.

  11. In order to reach a bare majority to pass the bill, the House accepted limits on the reproductive healthcare rights of women beyond current stringent federal restrictions.

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

LD, again, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else did in the past (although I actually didn't call Bush names -- when I criticized his policies I always used his name and often with his earned title of "President" - sorry to disappoint). If you complained about how Bush was called names when he was in office, then you turn around and do the exact same thing to the sitting President when your party is no longer in power, then you are a hypocrit. Either it is a bad thing to do, or it isn't. It isn't just bad to call the President names some of the time. There is no justifying bad behavior just because others did it too.

Also, if you think it started with Bush, ignoring the things said about Clinton immediately before him or any other politician before them, then you need to study a bit of history.

Finally, don't be surprised when the next Republican who is voted into the White House is called a Facist, has posters printed with Hitler mustaches, and calls for impeachment are made -- all before he or she even takes office. That is where we now stand. If you want to play in that realm, good for you. Most rational people don't.

Peace, bea

Centerville 5 years, 6 months ago

In the time it takes me to type this sentence, about 40 Americans have died...but not because they didn't have health insurance policies. You'll believe anything if you believe that a paid-up policy is a prerequisite for health care.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Peace to you to Bea. May you and yours have all the best. Our world is great because you are in it.

"Finally, don't be surprised when the next Republican who is voted into the White House is called a Facist, has posters printed with Hitler mustaches, and calls for impeachment are made — all before he or she even takes office. That is where we now stand. If you want to play in that realm, good for you. Most rational people don't."

That republican would be getting the same treatment the left gave Bush. Though the left did wait until he took office.

staff04 5 years, 6 months ago

This is the greatest...

C-SPAN Caller: I'm so mad about health reform, I took down my Christmas tree

Whaddya know, she's from Kansas...

On the bright side, she'll be the only person in her neighborhood to have their decorations down before Groundhog's Day.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

Why would Irish care. She went from the shelter to Vermont towers paid for by the Douglas County housing authority (Taxpayer supported) Loves the empT because it goes right by her daughters house. Consumes more of our tax dollars at Burt Nash. The list goes on and on. Welfare pays for her internet, subsistance, medical, mental, transportation and she will get a tax refund to boot and I'll bet she has not paid taxes in years. By her own admission her daughter and her kids are on welfare. Why would she care about increased taxes on all of us? Merry Christmas from all of us taxpayers Irish!

No, no, and no. I am on SSI. I am very happy to live at Vermont Towers as it and Babcock Place are for older people with low income. My daughter works at Watmart and is going to Johnson County Community College. My granddaughter is a graduate student at KU and is working. My grandson in twelve. They are not on welfare and I don't think I ever wrote that they were. I do think that those on welfare are deserving of respect as are those who are on SSI. I talk about my mental illness because that is something that needs to be talked about openly. People are not going to get the help they need and deserve if they are made to feel ashamed for asking for it. And, yes, I like the fact that the bus stops in front of where I live and goes where I need to go.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 6 months ago

Could people not attack me or my family when they are in disagreement with President Obamas policies but instead state why they are against the policy and how they would change it? I would really appreciate that. Thanks.

Kyle Chandler 5 years, 6 months ago

oh evil socialism!!

where were you ignorant KS conservatives when are so called constitutional rights were more or less tossed out the window with the Patriot Act.?? please explain how 'safe' it keeps all of us. Im dying to hear it.

Im sorry, but all you sore losers are basically a comedy troupe to the world at this point. Running around talking about your so called 'rights' and 'big government'. Its hilarious !! Keep it up!

Whats even funnier is that this all 'seems' like a so called 'liberal agenda' but lets face it

YOU ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM!!!!! and that team only cares about keeping you confused/polarized while they all make money.

i didnt vote for Obama, because hes just another Bush....McCain would of done the same thing and then all the liberals would behaved 'as un-american' as usual.

There should be a reality TV show about it

oh wait there is FOX

Kyle Chandler 5 years, 6 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says… Continental drift. That's what we have. Continental drift, politically that is. We're drifting steadily straight toward European socialism. If you like the idea, why don't you move there and let the rest of stay here.


I bet Toms kids live there already!!! HAHA

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

"As Senator Bernie Sanders said after Republicans killed the debate and vote on a single-payer plan (the Party of No doesn't want to actually debate the real issues of access to healthcare,) eventually, the American people will demand that our corrupt mess of private health insurance be scrapped altogether."

Um - boohoozo, being in the Christmas spirit makes me reluctant to challenge one of your uninformed rants, but Republicans didn't kill the debate on single payer, nor did they have the power to do so. They insisted the amendment be read before being considered (I know, I know, what a ridiculous concept). The Dems killed the debate by withdrawing the amendment because otherwise Obama/Reid/Pelosi wouldn't be able to cackle about this 'historic' (and completely worthless) piece of ... legislation ... before Christmas.


scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

"a massive fail for the predatory insurance companies and their right wing tools."

But scottie, how could that be, when even the likes of boohoozo and merrill think this bill is nothing more than a handout to the insurance companies?

You haven't read the bill, or at least you don't understand it, else you might have noticed the provisions in it now penalize insurance companies for holding down costs and create a huge incentive to wildly inflate total healthcare spending. The $500/month or so in subsidies will be a tiny drop in the bucket compared to how premiums are about to skyrocket.


beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"Hey Tom, I told you it would pass before the end of the year. Your previous predictions that health-care reform would never pass, like almost all your political predictions, have been proven false."

Um - bea, dearie? It will be February (at the earliest) before there is a reconciliation, and it's far from vertain the resulting useless piece of watered-down garbage will pass both houses. And if you really understood what was about to happen, you would be on your knees praying this never happens.

"Just because some people are proven to be hypocrits, this now gives you the okay to be a hypocrit yourself? If you ever complained about the name-calling directed at President Bush, yet you now call President Obama names, then you are a hypocrit. Simple as that."

Do we really need to revisit some of the invictives you tossed in the direction of our previous president (all with the utmost respect, of course)?

Kyle Chandler 5 years, 6 months ago

Healthcare_Moocher (Anonymous) says…

Libs and the ACLU were all over the Patriot Act… but seem to embrace the concept of the same government having your most personal secrets when it comes to your health data and records. You cant have it both ways. If Obama had the guts to go after the terrorists using something like the Patriot act… it would be just fine now, wouldn't it?


'personal secrets' (what the hell does that mean?) But if you think that your health records cant be viewed by government anyway, then you are truly ignorant.

Read the Patriot Act and then tell me some more 'terror' tales

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

Irish (Irish Swearingen) says…

"Health Care Reform is on the way!"

Care to take a whack at explaining how, exactly, this bill adresses in any way health CARE, Irish?

"but instead state why they are against the policy"

As soon as you explain why you're in favor. You didn't even read it, did you?


Jacob123 (Anonymous) says…

"I am a conservative and agree with Merrill, if we are going to reform health care it has to have a public option."

Um, merill doesn't want a public option, in fact he has spoken out quite a bit against it. He wants single-payer.


merrill (Anonymous) says…

"Medical bankruptcies will continue as families will face out-of-pocket costs up to $10,000 in addition to the cost of premiums and the cost of uncovered services."

merrill, that fear-mongering propaganda from the morons at PNHP about 'medical bankruptcies' (many of which had no out of pocket healthcare expenses at all) has been debunked almost as many times as you spewed the lies about it.

"The legislation continues to allow discrimination based on age and immigration status. Older enrollees can be charged up to twice as much as younger enrollees. And enrollees will be required to prove citizenship in order to receive subsidies. Non-citizens will be required to bear the full cost of purchasing insurance."

And smokers. You have a problem with that, too?


beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"although I actually didn't call Bush names — when I criticized his policies I always used his name and often with his earned title of “President” - sorry to disappoint"

Uh huh.

25 May 2007 at 4:19 p.m. beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"It is all the fault of our lying, good for nothing President!"

http://www2.ljworld.com/onthestreet/2007/may/25/mos_stereotypes/#c356398

Well, she DID use the word "President."


Well, gotta' go put some presents under the tree (since we probably won't be able to afford any next year).

Y'all have a Merry Christmas, and please be safe if you have to drive out there!

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

While I agree with Patrick, both parties are responsible for pork and subsidies. What was has been done with this bill to me is beyond comparison. I can't recall as many people congress members selling out themselves and their values for a vote. Nelson is against abortion, yet he voted for a bill that funds abortion in return for subsidies. That is just one example, the list goes on and on. That should anger everyone. Congress should not be a brothel.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

More reasons to trust our leaders ...

"According to the Chicago Tribune, during his tenure the board was notified by executives of their plans to misstate the earnings of Freddie Mac: “On Emanuel’s watch, the board was told by executives of a plan to use accounting tricks to mislead shareholders about outsize profits the government-chartered firm was then reaping from risky investments. The goal was to push earnings onto the books in future years, ensuring that Freddie Mac would appear profitable on paper for years to come and helping maximize annual bonuses for company brass.

In addition to his role as White House Chief of Staff, Mr. Emanuel is heavily involved in decisions made by the Treasury Department . The Wall Street Journal reported in May that “Rahm wants it” has become an unofficial mantra in the Department. It is therefore of grave concern that the New York Times reports the Treasury is negotiating to increase their commitment to Fannie and Freddie, in the absence of independent oversight: “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy and resell mortgages, have used $112 billion — including $15 billion for Fannie in November — of a total $400 billion pledge from the Treasury. Now, according to people close to the talks, officials are discussing the possibility of increasing that commitment, possibly to $400 billion for each company, by year-end, after which the Treasury would need Congressional approval to extend it. Company and government officials declined to comment.””

http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/jane-hamsher-grover-norquist-call-for-rahm-emmanuel%E2%80%99s-resignation/

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

oh nota, if your dragging that up again is all you have on my being uncivil toward our former President, then thank you for proving my point. In fact, when you look at the entire post from two and a half years ago (nothing more recent, like say a year ago?), you actually find that the "lying, good for nothing" line was little more then a set up for a joke:

"oscar, Heck, it's 2007 and we haven't even caught Osama bin Hidin'! It is all the fault of our lying, good for nothing President! Why, Bush is so ….

(friday, friday, Friday, FRIDAY!!!) nevermind"

Besides, saying he is "lying, good for nothing" isn't actually calling him names, now is it? Instead it is pointing out his flaws.

Again, the point I continue to state is that even if I were to have routinely called Bush everything from a fascist to the anti-Christ (which I didn't), if anyone wishes to criticize me for doing so as a means to justify their own childish name-calling of present-day President Obama, then that person is a hypocrit. Care to address the point being made?

Feel free to continue to search through my past posts, however. I know how much you enjoy it.

Merry Christmas all!

tjw0452 5 years, 6 months ago

What Hussein Obama and his merrymen are doing the USA will make the World Trade Center disaster look like child's play...

Sparko 5 years, 6 months ago

"Promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense for ourselves and our posterity." The bill didn't go far enough. If you are a "right to life" advocate, you must finally acknowledge the responsibility to make that life a decent and healthy one. On Christmas, a message of healing the sick, helping the infirm and feeding the hungry should be welcomed. Merry Christmas--let us do more for our fellow man in the coming year.

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"Feel free to continue to search through my past posts, however. I know how much you enjoy it."

Only took a second, bea, dearie - thanks to the LJW's search function it's only a click away. And congratulations - a search for 'Bush' & 'liar' from the comments section brings up a list with you at the top - not just one post. Would you like me to link to the others as well? And, um, bea, sweetie? Yes, they're old posts - maybe because Bush isn't the president any more?

And don't further inflate your sense of self-importance, dearie. Frankly you're not that interesting. But if you want to insist that you've never been disrespectful to the predient, I'm only too happy to point out what a liar you are.

"if anyone wishes to criticize me for doing so as a means to justify their own childish name-calling of present-day President Obama, then that person is a hypocrit. Care to address the point being made?"

Ah, such a typical Lawrence liberal. It's childish as long as it's someone else doing it. The liberal mantra - 'But ... but ... but that's different.' Perhaps your own hypocrisy in calling anyone else a hypocrit IS the point, sweetie.

ricardotrinidad 5 years, 6 months ago

I boo this health care bill. Nothing has been solved. Insurance companies and big pharmaceutical companies have bought off congress, and the joke is on us. We are all getting duped.

teedoffparty 5 years, 6 months ago

Wow- this is a good thing?? People need to think & read. Obama didn't even go to church on Christmas. There's someone showing his stripes. He's our leader- some example.

beatrice 5 years, 6 months ago

"dearie ... sweetie ... liar"

oh nota, you really are a sad little man, aren't you? I mean, is that honestly the best you have in your little-man arsenal?

I really, really do love how pathetically upset and horrible your life has become now that the Democrats are in office. The more foot-stomping, boo-hooing you write, the more it just makes me smile. Honestly.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

Of course, Dear Leader's drones released the news on Fannie-Freddie just when they thought it was rate the least coverage.... Most transparent administration ever! Hopenchange!

pace 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, I am still sick of the hate rather than debate. To justify slime personal remarks because there was plenty of hate against Bush, so you have an excuse to use hate , please, be an adult. . Bush was a lousy president and thank god he is gone but I was against hate as a discussion point especially blind bipartisan hate and boo hoo if you think it has to be even. Making cheesy remarks about cancer survivors and declaring all the people, many who have worked decades trying to reform a sick parasitic system as "evil" is stupid. There has been no justice or public served by the increasing use of denying coverage that had been paid for " that is a cheats weasel. To charge the highest fees to the ones that don't have coverage, to load the system that it cost more and more with no system of consent, isn't a route this country should march down. We needed to encourage people to have health care coverage for their families more than we need to required car insurance for our drivers. We needed health care reform. The personal attacks and the lies don't serve our country. So yeah, I am for discussion rather than hate, I reject your point that you hate and use hate as an argument"because they hated our team first mama"

Flap Doodle 5 years, 6 months ago

BTW, Dodd's makeup team needs to ditch the high-gloss wax. Madame Tussaud would be embarrassed to put a dummy looking like that in front of the public.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Shame no body was sick of the hate three years ago, two years ago, a year ago....now they are sick of the hate. Well it has just started. And the left is giving us so much to work with. They turn the congress into a red light district to get a vote on health care. What makes it really bad is this bill is worthless for helping people. Still 26 million of the 40 million remain uncovered. What good was all of that money if more than 50% of the people the bill is supposed to help do not get coverage? Millions lost their jobs on since the left took over, inflation is creeping up, Afghanistan is a mess. Iran is headed towards war with Israel, home foreclosures are going wild. Terror attacks against the US are up. Where is the president? On vacation.

Look at it this way people on the left...we owe you and we are going to pay you back. Reminds me I got to get red paint to throw on the streets of Lawrence because I am unhappy with the war.

haskellyte 5 years, 6 months ago

I will refrain from name calling, but it is really hard to have some contro here.

This is indeed a flawed bill, but the reforms it will provide have some substance and will help hundreds of thousands of Americans - especially children. Now!

It would have been a helluva lot better except for the literally - look it up - hundreds of millions spent on lobbyists by the insurance companies the past 6-8 months - to water it down, defeat it, make it relatively impotent compared to what it was intended to be.

And by the way, the CBO projected billions of dollars of deficit reduction when the pool of insured was large with the "public option." And even now, without it, theyre saying it is deficit neutral. Compare that to the Medicare prescription drug deal the Republicans passed under GW several years ago which costs us - and is still costing us - billions. Ridicuous!

So go ahead, call the President and the Democrats out for being un-American, for lying, for being the bad guys. History will prove you wrong. But then you don't care about history. You don't care about facts. You don't care about truth.

What do you care about? Not America. Not Americans.

Pathetic...

pace 5 years, 6 months ago

What an example of how people are enslaved by base emotions and don't give their energy to thought, analysis and discourse. I understand that to be a responsible adult one usually must be raised to be one but at one point if you are standing, you should be capable of raising yourself above the emotional drivel you just poured out.
I disliked the rabid like hate expressed in the 60's for the service men, I hated the war and felt the protests were honorable and right, but the stupider ones attacked the persons and were wrong, they were ruled by hate. Many of the right seem to think if other people were stupid and ruled by hate, we should do it that way. That is why not one republican had the guts to vote for health care reform, they were being led by people whose goal was to defeat a side, not represent working families.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

Now every crackhead with a sniffle will be going to the corner "med-A-mart" to load up on pain killers at the tax payers expense.

Insurance companies will get milked by gouging doctors who just want a policy to milk and premium rates will keep climbing upwards and fewer and fewer insurance companies will want to play this losing game or paying out every dollar they take in.

This bill or plan does not force insurance companies to offer health insurance and many companies will just say no to offering health insurance in any form.

Then there will be a health insurance company shortage and just one company will remain in the market place until the government has to bail them out. Then all will be and go strictly on a single payer claims process just like Europe and everyone will get a little health care and the sick will be carved out to a cap limit.

The healthy and wealthy will pay privately for their care and the poor and sick will get a little health care at a great cost to the public and advancement in medical research and development.

No doctor will turn down cash and money talks and your government health care policy will hardly keep you alive when your ill and dieing of cancer or some other fatal illness. You'll become a liability on the system and get ousted by every doctor until none of them will treat you unless you can fill in with cash the widening gaps that your government health care policy does not cover.

So theirs really no difference in the long run and your no better off than you were without insurance to begin with.

The health care system will be starved for investment dollars from this health care overhaul and in about 10 years all investment will cease in research and development of drugs and equipment and technology.

Most self employed people will just keep enough coverage to avoid getting fined in order to have the lowest premium possible. This will also be the case for young people that are working part time and college age students that are going to school for 10 years to become a doctor so they can earn about 5 percent of what doctors earn today.

Well need more doctors! It will be like Jiffy-Lube when you really need an experienced mechanic. LOL.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

barrypenders: 12 x 7 = 84

It's 84 virgins but after tax they're left with 72 virgins.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

Jiffy lube stopped stocking Caster-Oil, so what does that tell you about proficient actions. Now, I had to get Penn's Oil and my engine hardly runs on that slim. I could of had Quaker-State if I really wanted it to puke slug. Lol.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

It's like going to a fine dinner establishment and when you look at the wine list, all that have is 10 different kinds of Melot. Lol.

igby 5 years, 6 months ago

We'll soon have "Med-A-Marts" on every corner so there will be no waiting in lines especially when the federal law allows for medical pot to be distributed under the new health care bill. If the dems can force all Americans to buy health insurance they can also pass the medical pot allocations for all the depressed voters after the 2010, Senate and House, elections.

leedavid 5 years, 6 months ago

Pace: if the health care bill was almost good Senaors Collins and Snowe would have voted for it. They tend to side with the left more than the right. The fact that they didn't tells you how bad this bill really is. The fact that senators on the left had to be bought should tell you what this bill is about. This bill is not about working families. More than 50% of those it was supposed to help, do not get coverage in this bill.

ASBESTOS 5 years, 6 months ago

Don't forget that 50% of the costs are going to be picked up by the States, except for Nebraska, Florida, Louisana, and five other states will not have to pay. But taxpayers in the remaining 40 some states will have to make up this difference.

That is the costs of the bribes paid by Harry Reid (Traitor and criminal) to Ben Nelson (scum sucking corruptacrat), and Mary Landrieu (another scum sucking corruptacrat), and the othe Nelson from Florida who got his entire states Medicare Advantage program grandfathered forever when the rest of the country will lose their Medicare Advantage in 2014 according to the Health Bill.

That is the level of bribery it took to get cloture and they just barely made it.

Yes it will cost the Country $890,000,000,000, but you can double that as the state matching of the remaining 50% for the medicaid inclusion of everybody is picked up by the state.

That is how it is "deficit nuetral". How many of these lying congressmen are you going to continue believing???

How do you know a congressman is lying?

His mic is on.

notajayhawk 5 years, 6 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says…

"I really, really do love how pathetically upset and horrible your life has become now that the Democrats are in office. The more foot-stomping, boo-hooing you write, the more it just makes me smile. Honestly."

Just keep telling yourself that, dearie. It seems the ones on the left, the ones who 'won' and are in power, are the ones scrambling to apologize, justify, defend, wail, and gnash their teeth. I'm laughing my a** off at the gullibility and fawning obeisance from little people like you, and your little passive-agressive hypocrisy when you get shown up in your lies. Foot-stomping, sweetie? All I did was remind you of your own words. It's not my fault if they make you choke as they do the rest of us.


edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Notasmartperson still babbling away about nothing intelligent or factual. Ignore him and he'll go away. Or at least don't answer his posts because he is not a credible source. Just like most Right-wingers he uses fear mongering and anger to dominant his view. WHat a worthless piece of ">sh@t."

Ah, and as usual, eddie the troll checks in without anything to say about the topic at all. Uh, BTW, eddie, what does that mean, exactly, 'to dominant his view?' You should wait a few hours after drinking before trying to post, little one.

Care to try to dispute anything I posted? With all that dazzling intelligence and factual information so frequently evidenced in posts like your last one? No, of course not, being unable to, right, child?

tjw0452 5 years, 6 months ago

Health care is not a right, it is a privilege. Health care comes to those who work!...not those that sit a home, watch Oprah and expect the government to take care of them... People on government assistance should not be allowed to vote as it is a conflict of interest. Obama and his cast of criminals must be stopped...the revolution will start soon.

georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 6 months ago

When the government becomes a trough, politics will become a feeding frenzy.

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