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Supporters of health care reform voice concerns outside Moore’s Lawrence office

A gathering on health care reform brought out people from all sides of the issue Tuesday afternoon at the corner of Ninth and Kentucky streets. Chris Warholic, center, a third-year resident in family medicine at Kansas University Medical Center, took time to share his view.

A gathering on health care reform brought out people from all sides of the issue Tuesday afternoon at the corner of Ninth and Kentucky streets. Chris Warholic, center, a third-year resident in family medicine at Kansas University Medical Center, took time to share his view.

August 18, 2009

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Health care reform gets noisy with honk and wave protest

Lawrence residents on both sides of the health care reform issue lined the streets outside Dennis Moore's office to participate in a "honk and wave" protest. People voiced their opinions on the issue during the event. Enlarge video

Chris Warholic, a third-year medical resident at Kansas University Medical Center, showed up in his scrubs Tuesday at Ninth and Kentucky streets to show his support for health care reform.

“I work underserved clinics. I work western Kansas,” Warholic, who is studying family medicine, said. “I can tell you story after story of people who have basically suffered because of the health care system.”

Local organizers of the group MoveOn.org were looking for honks and waves in support of reform outside the Lawrence office of Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan.

“(Moore) has spoken out strongly and consistently in favor of the public option, and we want to show him that we have his back,” said Jo Andersen, a local council coordinator for MoveOn.

The public option would be a government health insurance program similar to Medicare that would be available to all citizens.

Just across Ninth Street, a group against health care reform set up camp to deny that a public option is the right one.

“They’re misrepresenting how many Americans are without health care and why they don’t have health care,” said Richard Fry, a member of the citizen advocacy group November Patriots. “They shouldn’t be able to impose those things among the citizens.”

Both sides are just hoping their arguments are heard.

“That’s the fundamental problem that we have with government right now,” Fry said. “It absolutely will not listen.”

But supporters believe the majority of Americans want public health care.

“Only with a real public option to private health insurance can we get the changes that we need,” Andersen said.

Comments

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

Keep the government out of health care period.

We do not need another welfare system setup and running when we can't afford the programs we have running now!

Where do you think the money is going to come from?

The cost of Health Care will not come down in price.

You get what you pay for as with everything else in life!!

KS 5 years, 4 months ago

Moore is AWOL because he doesn't have the you know what to face the folks. Keep the government out of my healthcare. If this is forced upon the American people, it will be a fast track towards retirement for BHO and Moore. We don't need another government program that can in no way pay for iteself. Pay no attention to the man (BHO) behind the curtain.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

When the members of Congress agree to be covered by the same plan as the rest of us..... oh, wait, that's not going to happen. Never mind. In the meantime, enjoy Tom Slick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtbho...

Centerville 5 years, 4 months ago

Dennis is going to have a town hall Sept 1, except it's by invitation. Maybe by then he'll have some statement about where he stands on all this. Now that even Sibeleus has backed away from the bogus public option, maybe Dennis has some room to move.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

jstthefacts, Let me ask you a question. As a student thinking about becoming a doctor, would you go to school for ten years at a cost of several hundred thousand dollars knowing the government was going to dictate what you can charge a patient and what tests you can give those patients?

I don't think so. It would be impractical for someone to go to school for ten years knowing they weren’t going to be able to recoup their educational cost let alone make a good living at what they are doing. Then what will you do when there are no qualified doctors?

Phillbert 5 years, 4 months ago

"As a student thinking about becoming a doctor, would you go to school for ten years at a cost of several hundred thousand dollars knowing the government was going to dictate what you can charge a patient and what tests you can give those patients?"

Like that's not what happens now with insurance companies. They dictate care, not doctors. At least I can vote out my government if I don't like it - there's no such option with my health insurer, especially if my employer only offers one plan.

kansasmutt 5 years, 4 months ago

Hummm The care givers in Europe and canada make 6 figures a year, i think that would be good money. Maybe greed will make you want 7 , who knows.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

Again, where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for health insurance for everyone??

Keep the government out of health care!

bearded_gnome 5 years, 4 months ago

45 million, 46 million, 47 million, I've heard all these figures and more thrown around.
this is a totally fake number!
first, remove illegal aliens from that, and let's stop giving them free health care altogether.
you're now down to 30-million.

I was talking with someone today who didn't realize that medicaid is already accessible to this person. 5-10million out of the 30-million already qualify for programs and just need to apply!. so, lets say you're now down to 23-million...overwhelmingly this number is made up of: young people who don't think they need health insurance and will only pay for it if it is mandated.
Hilary was fried during the democrat primary because her health care plan would enforce membership

now, Mr. Obama is doing the same thing. well, shucks.

then finally you have maybe 5million who can't truly get insurance because they make too much money yet have preexisting conditions.
let's have reforms that target these people without destroying what is good for the rest of us.

Fry is right, we can't get Denny Moore and the other dems to listen, they're too busy demonizing us...yes, I'll admit it...I'm a political terrorist, NAZI, racist, "evilmonger" and ruffian [recent LTE]. please do turn me in, now you have to write president@whitehouse.gov

and the members of moveon.org have such a fine track record of rational debate, i.e. "general betray-us" attacking a real hero who is the reason we're successfully wrapping things up in Iraq now. we remember how they treated GWB.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 4 months ago

Moore's office number: 785-842-9313 if you oppose the health care scandal that these people are trying to put over on us, call his office.

*be polite. tell him, just stop.

*and while you're on the phone, tell him you're not an: "evilmonger;" NAZI; racist; political terrorist; unruly; and neither are you a ruffian.

remember that Denny Moore votes in lockstep with Nancy Pelosi something north of 90%! in other words, he wouldn't even qualify to be called a "blue dog democrat."


Mr. Obama says he will pay for the new health care scandal by cutting reimbursements under medicaid and medicare.
somebody needs to tell him there already specialists who won't take patients with these insurances now because the government basically expects them to donate part of their office costs and their income to see these patients now. cutting these will dramatically cut access to lifesaving specialists.

Seniors are angry. Many are leaving AARP over this.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

If doctors have to charge so much because they are paying back the hundreds of thousands of dollars it cost them for their education, I would think the first step would be to reduce the cost of obtaining a medical degree. That should be easy for Obama, considering that most of the medical schools are run by the government already.

Physician (or government that wants to be physician) heal thyself.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

"Like that's not what happens now with insurance companies. They dictate care, not doctors. At least I can vote out my government if I don't like it - there's no such option with my health insurer, especially if my employer only offers one plan."

What is the name of your insurance company?

Most that I am familiar with have two options: one is "in network," meaning doctors and hospitals have freely and willingly signed contracts with the insurance company to charge an agreed upon rate for their services, and this rate is usually less than they would charge people without insurance.

The other option is to go "out of network," meaning that you can see any doctor you want, and the doctor can charge whatever he or she wants. The tradeoff for the freedom to go "out of network" is that you will pay a larger portion of the cost, and the insurance company will pay less. It is a matter of individual choice. And it is a decision you make in advance, when you purchase the insurance.

For people complaining about their employers' health plans, you do realize, don't you, that you can purchase your own insurance? You are not forced to accept the "benefit" your employer offers. You can make your own decisions, you can choose the benefits and features and the company you want, and the doctor you want, if you are willing to pay the price.

One change that makes sense to me is to allow individuals to deduct from their income taxes the full cost of individual health insurance. That would be a huge boon to individuals who do not want to rely on their employers for their health insurance.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Today Sebelius reiterated the Obama administration's position that they are going to present a public option to provide a choice to the "monopoly" of private health insurance.

Monopoly:

–noun, plural -lies. 1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices. Compare duopoly, oligopoly. 2. an exclusive privilege to carry on a business, traffic, or service, granted by a government. 3. the exclusive possession or control of something. 4. something that is the subject of such control, as a commodity or service. 5. a company or group that has such control. 6. the market condition that exists when there is only one seller. 7. (initial capital letter) a board game in which a player attempts to gain a monopoly of real estate by advancing around the board and purchasing property, acquiring capital by collecting rent from other players whose pieces land on that property. "

According the the Kansas Insurance Commissioner, there are 20 different, competing companies offering various health insurance plans in Kansas.

Insurance is provided in a state of only 2,000,000 people by 20 different, unrelated companies who are fighting, tooth and nail, with each other to win customers.

Is that a monopoly? No.

Kathleen Sebelius and Barack Obama have redefined "monopoly" to mean a situation where there is no government owned entity to undercut the multiple, competing, private ones within a particular economic sector.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Sebelius grimly stated today that there must be a government option to "keep the insurance companies honest." Obama has said the same thing.

I'm calling you out, Sebelius. If you know that insurance companies are committing crimes, indict and convict them. Now.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

And now we hear from Barney Frank in his town meeting that we should not trust government!!!

How can government "keep insurance companies honest," if Barney Frank, the loudest cheerleader for government regulation and government control, tells his consituents that government ( meaning "he") cannot be trusted?

Kryptenx 5 years, 4 months ago

Godot, where do you read the word crime at? Honest does not mean 'stop them from committing crimes.' No wonder you can't grasp the issues, you fail at basic reading comprehension.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

If the opposite of honest is not a crime, then does that mean being dishonest as a corporaiton is legal? A corporation can lie and be within the law, but such a situation requires a complete overhaul of 20 percent of the American economy and the establishment of a government competitor (which Barney Frank admits cannot be trusted)?

We are in Wonderland.

Kryptenx 5 years, 4 months ago

If Frank is dishonest and can't be trusted, how can you believe what he says? Either you only hear what you want to hear, or you lack any capability to use logic. My money's on both.

Kryptenx 5 years, 4 months ago

Godot, crime is not an antonym of honesty, please check a thesaurus if you don't believe me. Our insurance system is broken, regardless of it's legality. If it was illegal how would we change it?

Newell_Post 5 years, 4 months ago

There's got to be a better answer that what we have now. We pay more per capita and a larger percent of our GDP than any other major country, to insure only a portion of our population, and wind up with a system where you lose your coverage if you lose your job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8201711.stm

It is a good question about individuals paying big bucks in medical tuition. In many of those other countries, government/taxes pays for that also.

I have been a business owner who provided medical benefits. I have also been a government employee, and I have also been on the board of directors of an insurance company. Personally, this is the only one thing I would rather pay for through taxes than through insurance premiums. I've seen too many insurance executives up close and personal.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Frank is very powerful in the Democrat controlled Congress, he is the chief regulator of the banks,and he walks in lock step with the chief maker of laws, Nancy Pelosi. They, who Frank admits cannot be trusted, make the laws that control our lives. Elections have consequences.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Dishonesty in the business practices of a corporation is a crime. It is called fraud. Only in the way people live their personal lives can dishonesty be considered simply a frame of mind. (aka Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the meaning of is is."

Obama/Sebelius/Holder must indict the frauds, or cease the unfounded and defamatory generalized allegations against an entire industry. Team Obama's scurrilous tactics would make a demagogue blush in shame.

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Newell Post, we have laws on the books to handle fraudulent and dishonest behavior on the part of corporate executives. Did you blow the whistle on the executives whose behavior you observed? Was it illegal, or simply distasteful? If it was not illegal, what makes you think that government appointees will behave any better? If it is bad behavior on the part of a private company, you, as a consumer, have the option to stop doing business with the company; when the provider is the government, and it is the only option, what recourse will you have?

Practicality 5 years, 4 months ago

I just want to know . . . . .how many people were carrying guns at Moore's office?

Godot 5 years, 4 months ago

Our "insurance system," is not a system, it is the manifestation of insurance companies struggling to comply with regulations established by 50 separate state governments while attempting to comply with complex laws established by the Federal government, as well. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a cabal, it is the unintended consequence of government regulation. It is mandated and controlled, locally, first, and also mandated and controlled Federally. Reform is absolutely necessary, but reform that mandates a federally funded and federally controlled health insurance and medical delivery system is not the answer for Americans who desire quality healthcare, choice and a balanced budget.

Newell_Post 5 years, 4 months ago

Godot:

My grandmother's medical insurance company canceled her coverage with no notice while she was in the hospital dying of lung cancer and hallucinating from the pain medications she was receiving. Her premium payments were current and had been current for many years. They just dropped her because she was starting to cost them more money than they were likely to collect in future premiums.

How do you think she should have obtained other coverage in this situation? The government "regulators" were of no help, BTW.

JHOK32 5 years, 4 months ago

.......so the very sick who have no money do what? The first thing any doctor's office, pharmacy, or hospital will ask you is where is your insurance card! The money part of the business is first and foremost before we even get to what your name is or what is wrong with you? Got no insurance? Better have cash baby! no dollars, no service! Got cancer, no money? Tuff life, huh? (what you got left of it).......become a politician......THEN you get taxpayer health care! The line starts over here................

Newell_Post 5 years, 4 months ago

Godot:

I agree, BTW, that the patchwork of state-by-state insurance regulations is inefficient. It is indeed one of the things the runs up the cost of administering any insurance plan. I think there should be a very basic layer of universal insurance provided by the government, and private companies should be allowed to sell "upgrade" policies for better hospitals, more specialists, more choice, etc. Those private companies should then be subject to a single, nationwide system of fair, simple, and effective regulation.

When I served on that board of directors, I didn't see anything illegal, to my knowledge. I did see things such as:

  1. Quintupling someone's premium when they filed a claim that would take several years to settle and they couldn't switch to another carrier, as a practical matter.

  2. Canceling coverage (or refusing the annual renewal) when someone filed a claim that was too risky to fight.

To a real insurance guy, it doesn't matter how much a "risk" has paid in premiums in the past. All that matters is the expected spread between their premium and indemnity payments in the future.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

jstthefacts (Anonymous) says…

"The US spends 2.5 times as much money per person on health care and ranks somewhere around 38 in the world on health care. To much of that 2.5 goes to wall street. A lot more efficiency would be the best place to start, but this will only come with reform."

If you're going to use that screen name, try posting at least one fact.

Fact: There is no reliable objective measure that can be used to compare the quality of healthcare between systems. The whole 38th-in-the-world BS is not based on anything other than political opinion.

Fact: Insurance companies make, on average, about a 3% profit. Less than hospitals, that average 3.3%. So-called 'non-profit' LMH had revenues in excess of expenditures of around 6% last year (we used to call that a profit).

Fact: The so-called efficiency of government-funded healthcare is a complete fallacy. As a provider in an area of healthcare almost wholly funded by government programs, I can assure you we spend more than half our time writing down what we're going to do and what we've done - more time than we get to spend actually doing it.

"The real fantasy all you people against reform believe in is that: ” because you pay for insurance, you have insurance. How many of you have had to collect insurance."

The real fantasy is the morons believing anyone opposed to the president's plan is against reform. And, um, justnofacts? The overhelming majority of people with insurance are satisfied with what they get from it. But again, don't let facts get in your way.

Oh, and btw, if you believe a government agency doesn't deny payment or refuse care just to save money, you're not just a fool, you're a monumentally naive fool.


Newell_Post (Anonymous) says…

"I have also been a government employee, and I have also been on the board of directors of an insurance company. ... I've seen too many insurance executives up close and personal."

So ...

A former insurance company executive asks us to trust him and believe that insurance company executives are untrustworthy. Um, okay.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Phillbert (Anonymous) says…

"Like that's not what happens now with insurance companies. They dictate care, not doctors."

No, they don't. Insurance companies are financial institutions. They assume financial risk for a fee, just like your car insurance company or your homeowners insurance company.

If, under the terms of the policy and the limits of state regulations, an insurance company denies an authorization, they are in no way denying care. It's the fine humanitarians like our fine doctor-to-be that refuse to treat you, and for the sole reason that they won't be guaranteed payment.

Of course our little resident wants government funded healthcare. He has a vested interest in his fees being propped up and guaranteed, doesn't he?

"At least I can vote out my government if I don't like it - there's no such option with my health insurer, especially if my employer only offers one plan."

Well, first, yes you do have that option. You can buy your own policy instead of the one offered by your employer, or assume the risk yourself.

But as for the voting option, other people get to vote too, don't they? What happens, Phil, when you buy into your public option and the opposition regains control of the government? What then, Phil?

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

It's too bad Obama's plan covers abortions.

Joe Ryan 5 years, 4 months ago

Have you noticed that the people that want a government insurance option to keep private insurance honest are the same people that are against school vouchers for private education to keep public education honest?

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

You know all you supporters of free health care crack me up. Always wanting something for nothing.

I was brought up if you want something you have to work hard and earn it. Heath care is no different. Get an education, get a good job, and you will be able to afford health care. Nothing is free in this world. As far as health care cost being 2.5 times more expensive. We live in the good ole U.S.A. Things are more expensive here. We have a higher standard of living here. Hence the reason most stuff is outsourced to other countries. But unfortunately we can’t outsource our health care.

Soup2Nuts 5 years, 4 months ago

It seems that there ought to be a workable health care model out there in the world somewhere that would also work in the U.S. Why not emulate a model that is already successful elsewhere in the world?

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 4 months ago

The Republican Party has a huge credibility gap right now. Unless they can regain the trust of the American people we are in danger of swinging too far to the left.

I think that is what most Americans are afraid of right now. Most of us prefer the center.

Have we exhausted all attempts to reform our health care system using the free market? Who knows?

Some Republicans have been working on health care/insurance reform for years with little or no success. Many have been blocked by Democrats wanting a government run system.

The current debate is so full of BS it is just making people angry. I think the result will be a lot of incumbents losing in the next election, as it should be. In Kansas, we need to get rid of a lot of people.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Hmmmm... this was posted:

"The Republican Party has a huge credibility gap right now."

right after this:

"Does David Axelrod Have A Financial Conflict Of Interest In The ObamaCare Debate?"

Good stuff, snap.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

jstthefacts, This is a free country. If you aren't getting what you are paying for you are free to go else were.

But my taxes aren't paying for your health care!!

Keep the government out of health care.

G_E 5 years, 4 months ago

"It would be impractical for someone to go to school for ten years knowing they weren’t going to be able to recoup their educational cost let alone make a good living at what they are doing. Then what will you do when there are no qualified doctors? "

Yeah, because there totally aren't medical students in other countries that do have universal health care.

hipper_than_hip 5 years, 4 months ago

I can't wait to see Moore defeated in 2010; see ya Dennis!

Lindsey Buscher 5 years, 4 months ago

OH yeah, it's so simple, free market choice in and out of network blah blah blah.

My wife works in Lawrence, got injured at work, they called 911, ambulance came to pick her up, took her to LMH, and we fought with the insurance company for 6 months over the ambulance bill they told us we had to pay because it was "out of network"

wtf kind of sense does that make? Lawrence company, Lawrence ambulance, going to a Lawrence hospital? It was an emergency, my wife couldn't ask them if they were in her network and then choose an in-network ambulance. It's ridiculous.

Nonsense 5 years, 4 months ago

I want the same coverage that my congressman does. Is that too much to ask!

tkeagleblog 5 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone read if you choose to keep a private insurance, will you be flipping the bill for the public option as well? I’m guessing you will be paying for both. But I don’t know.

That point brought up, why would anyone pay for premiums on your private plan, and pay taxes on the Public? Most ppl will drop the private plan, and switch to the public. So unless this public plan can be 100% no cost to the (tax payers), which I highly doubt, no one will keep their private coverage. So how will the private sector compete with that?

I do believe there needs to be some kind of reform, but don’t know if this is the best way to do it.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

What's the matter swan_diver, can you not afford to buy your own health insurance like everyone else?

I bet you can afford to go out and get your cigarettes and beer though!!

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

Godot, which insurance company do you work for?

ENGWOOD 5 years, 4 months ago

OBAMA says 'UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems! Without the teleprompter he is screwed!!! And these clowns want to contorl my health care. Give me a break

Practicality 5 years, 4 months ago

Congressman Moore,

I find it reprehensible that you, as a voting member of our congress, can and have voted to send our young men and women to war, in a foreign land, against hostile people intent on killing them while at the same time you have cancelled town hall meetings based on a couple of loose threats from some idiots in your own district, in your own nation, that you represent. Your constituents are out in the street wanting you to hear from them, both for and against this issue. I hate to accuse a grown man of cowardice, so I won’t, yet. But, I wonder, how can you ask others to risk themselves in a war, on foreign land, for this nation that you represent and then behave as you have?

Newell_Post 5 years, 4 months ago

notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

So …

A former insurance company executive asks us to trust him and believe that insurance company executives are untrustworthy. Um, okay.

There's no saint like a reformed sinner. I've seen both insurance and government service from the inside, and I have been an employer who provided medical insurance to my employees. I don't want free medical insurance. I want to pay for the basics of it via taxes instead of premiums because I think it is a cheaper and more dependable way to go.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

"It's too bad Obama's plan covers abortions."

Big-uninformed-Prune, spreading the lie like a good soldier (tool).

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

joesense (Anonymous) says…

"Have you noticed that the people that want a government insurance option to keep private insurance honest are the same people that are against school vouchers for private education to keep public education honest?"

Public schools have school boards with elected trustees. Keeping them honest happens at the ballot box. No such thing occurs with insurance companies, so your comparison falls flat on it's face.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

skinny (Anonymous) says…

"But my taxes aren't paying for your health care!!"

Really? Where do you think the funding for Medicare comes from? If you have health insurance, part of your premiums are paying for people who don't and part of your taxes are picking up the tab, too.

All that time and money on school and you're not demonstrating that you got anything out of it.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Politicians,medical insurance industry,the media and others opposed to practical,fiscally responsible,fiscally conservative and the most comprehensive medical insurance ever presented to consumers are playing the USA public for fools. http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/06/diagnosis-reform.html

What increases the cost of medical insurance? high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders ! are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars Golden parachutes Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

What will HR 676 and ONLY HR 676 Eliminate? Eliminates high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders ! are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars • Golden parachutes

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

People denounce Medicare as some evil kind of medical insurance without acknowledging what great service it has provided to millions of senior citizen and millions more who lost their retirement plans to many many white collar criminals. Think savings and loan rip off, ENRON, the high tech scandal and the recent Maddoff ripoff.

Does anyone believe that all of the white collar criminals waiting to steal retirement plans are in jail? Get real.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

This is how Rep John Conyers perceives HR 676 aka Medicare Insurance for All. Which is the most comprehensive,fiscally responsible and would be a great help in making millions of jobs a reality in america.

So what would the new HR 676 Medicare For ALL Insurance offer to americans? 365 days a year,24/7,employed or not,moving on to a new job or not,single mom or not,struck down with cancer or not?

What would a new HR 676 Medicare Insurance Plan cover 365 days a year 24/7?

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the below insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month going to about $1,500 in 2010.

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

Again a family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the above insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. The privatized medical insurance industry is anything but efficient.

HR 676 contains costs and saves about $350,000,000,000 annually.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

Merrill, Your dreaming. Not going to happen.

The government does not have the money to fork out like that.

Heck, they're talking about not having enough money to continue Social Security after 2032, let alone health care.

skinny 5 years, 4 months ago

There is no way a trillion dollar plus bill is going to pass.

Sorry fellows! HEhehehehehehe

a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 4 months ago

Laugh now, pay (and keep paying for generations to come) later, skinny. Health care costs and the rate of annual increases are not sustainable. How would you solve the problem? Send it on for the next generation to tackle?

Don't you realize that a large component of future Medicare cost increases (that I will remind you, you pay for) come from forecasted increases in health care costs? Again, how would you solve it? Just wish it away?

If you don't think there's a problem that needs some attention now, read this:

http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

Soup2Nuts (Anonymous) says…

"It seems that there ought to be a workable health care model out there in the world somewhere that would also work in the U.S. Why not emulate a model that is already successful elsewhere in the world?"

Because you simply can not modify an existing system to copy another and expect to realize the same results as that other one that was 'purpose-built.' That's one of the reasons that comparing our healthcare with that in other countries is pointless.


edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Okay notajayhawk you bring your points on not having health care or insurance reform. What would you like to see to address this problem?"

There are [plenty of other proposals out there, ed, but you probably don't see them or listen to them because of the source.

I'm pressed for time this morning, but the first thing that has to be done is control the costs of healthcare delivery. Figuring out who pays for it is pointless otherwise - we ALL pay, out-of-pocket, in premiums, or in taxes, so shifting the money from one pocket to the other doesn't make it more affordable. People don't even realize what it costs, just like they don't know what autobody repairs cost - if the insurance company pays, who cares? And a government guaranteed payment system would make that worse, not better. Imagine if food stamp EBT cards had no limit - do you think food prices would come down?

We need to bring down the costs, but people villainize the insurance company while the hospital made a bigger profit than they did. There is far too much overutilization of specialist referrals, expensive, redundant, and unnecessary testing, and other wasteful practices. We need tort reform - in some places the first 2-3 thousand dollars a doctor's patient pay every week goes to his malpractice insurance. We need to allocate resources better, make it more affordable without having to pay $1,000/month for insurance premiums - or taxes.

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