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White House will probe Air Force One stunt

April 29, 2009

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— The White House plans an inquiry into a low-flying photo shoot by a presidential plane that panicked New Yorkers and cost taxpayers $328,835. President Barack Obama said Tuesday it won’t happen again.

But the origins of the government public relations stunt that went awry remained an engrossing mystery — and a potential political problem for Obama. The White House military office approved the photo-op, which cost $35,000 in fuel alone for the plane and two jet fighter escorts.

“I think this is one of those rare cases where we can all agree it was a mistake,” Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said of Monday’s “unfortunate” flight low over the Hudson River that for many on the ground evoked chilling memories of 9/11.

The sight of the huge passenger jet and an F-16 fighter plane whizzing past the Statue of Liberty and the lower Manhattan financial district sent panicked office workers streaming into the streets.

Comments

Chris Ogle 6 years ago

Wonder what that's going to cost us?

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

If this incident helps slide Barry back to his mob-financed masion in Chicago, it was worth every penny.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"Hey, it's OK! It happened on The Messiah's watch, not GWB's…..fuh-get about it!"

If this had happened under BushCo, the only response from them would have been that we all need to shop more.

gogoplata 6 years ago

Tower this is Air Force One requesting a flyby.

Negative Air Force One the pattern is full.

gogoplata 6 years ago

"Two of your snot nosed jockeys did a flyby on my tower at over four hundred knots! I want somebodies butt! I want it now! I've had it !"

jaywalker 6 years ago

An 'inquiry' by the White House? Into what their plane was doing in NYC? This wasn't Junior stealing the keys for a late night joy ride, this IS the President's wheels. No way the White House was in the dark on this, please stop pretending.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

It would appear that this was a Pentagon operation, not a White House operation. It's not like this is a huge scandal-- just extremely poor judgement by someone who should likely lose their job over it.

Kyle Reed 6 years ago

"It would appear that this was a Pentagon operation, not a White House operation."

The president is ultimately responsible for everything that is done/not done at all levels of his administration Bozo. You might want to review the newspapers for the last 8 years for the proof you will inevitably ask for.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

However this was allowed to happen, it's definitely Obama's responsibility to fix the problem. But given all of the disasters Obama inherited from BushCo, very possibly including this one, I'm not as inclined to get as apoplectic over this minor incident as those of you who would be apoplectic if Obama farted.

beatrice 6 years ago

"No way the White House was in the dark on this, please stop pretending."

Right, the President was in on the planning of a photo-shoot involving one of the TWO planes used as Air Force One, even though the Defense Department has acknowledged they planned it. I guess to some, if a bunny gets hurt while photographing in the White House Garden, I'm sure the President is responsible for that too. Yep, and they also have guided tours through the White House, so if you trip on the carpet -- Obama's fault.

Trying to link this to Obama is incredibly stupid.

QuestionMan 6 years ago

Hasn't anyone in the White House ever heard of Photoshop?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"How do you figure that?"

Pretty simple-- I read the article.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

While it looks like it was a Pentagon operation, it was approved by the White House Military Office--

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/whmo/

which is led by WHMO Director Louis Caldera. If anyone in the White House is going to take the hit on this, my bet right now is on this guy.

Kyle Reed 6 years ago

"If anyone in the White House is going to take the hit on this, my bet right now is on this guy."

Right, the guy directly appointed by Obama as Director. Sounds like he has great judgement. Good choice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

Well, Akreed, it almost certainly was Caldera's call, not Obama's-- at least I hope that Obama isn't taking up any of his time with this level of operational detail.

But what action is taken depends on how this happened. If it was strictly a Pentagon operation, then that's where the problem has to be fixed, and it'll likely fall on Caldera to be involved in the fixing. If Caldera just didn't ask enough questions before OKing this, then he might just lose his job, and his replacement will get to fix the problem.

But as I said before, this is really just poor judgement by fairly low-level officials, and not the scandal the wingnuts would like it to be.

Kyle Reed 6 years ago

A fairly low-level official? This guy works directly in the executive office of the president! What exactly consitutes "high-level"? Only the president himself?

gogoplata 6 years ago

His ego is writing checks that his body can't cash. He doesn't own that plane the taxpayers do.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"A fairly low-level official? "

Yep-- he's pretty much the president's butler--

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/whmo/

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"This is a small affair indeed, but it's once again proving one thing: The Messiah can do no wrong."

If you were paying even the slightest attention, you'd acknowledge that the "Messiah" is getting just as much criticism from the left as from the right-- except that from the right, its criticism for criticism's sake because he's not on "your team." And you're a prime example of that, Tom.

That said, I'm most certainly glad that he's in there making mistakes, and not McCain.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

Impeachment now is the ticket! (may contain hyperbole)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"Nice spin!"

You're the one spinning-- for all we know, this may have been in the works for months, and not just in the last 100 days.

Kyle Reed 6 years ago

"for all we know, this may have been in the works for months, and not just in the last 100 days"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Statement-from-Louis-Caldera-Director-White-House-Military-Office-on-Air-Force-One-flight-over-New-York/

Actually we do know it wasn't in the works for the last 100 days. You didn't apparently but you're sure quick to jump up and throw out scenarios that would paint your hero in a better light. Seriously, it is not required for you to defend Obama on every blunder he makes.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"Actually we do know it wasn't in the works for the last 100 days."

You're reading more into that press release than is actually there. Caldera approved it-- he didn't plan it, and we have no idea who did, or when they started.

Anyway, where have I defended Obama? (for the record, Nader would be closer to my hero.) Merely declining to join in in the hysterical hand-wringing doesn't qualify as "defending."

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

Google ( Obama 100 days mistakes ) and see what you find.

jaywalker 6 years ago

"Right, the President was in on the planning of a photo-shoot involving one of the TWO planes used as Air Force One, even though the Defense Department has acknowledged they planned it."

Gee, I'm sorry, when I wrote 'the White House' I actually thought that meant the collection of administration and staff. Apparently "White House" is a synonym for President Obama. Neither today nor yesterday have I written this was "Obama's fault". I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the Chief of Staff was in the loop on this operation, does he work in the Obama, er.....White House?

"I guess to some, if a bunny gets hurt while photographing in the White House Garden, I'm sure the President is responsible for that too"

Brilliant analogy. 'Cept it wasn't a bunny that got hurt, was it? It was thousands of New Yorkers running for their lives because some idiot yelled "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
I'll say again, I don't believe this needs to be that big a deal. But the White House saying they're going to 'probe' the matter is disingenuous. People in that building knew about this operation. Believing that the DOD was solely responsible for this without any approval from the White House is what's stupid. But bozo's right, Caldera will probably be the one going down for this, rightfully so IF the buck stopped with him.

hornhunter 6 years ago

What is the carbon foot print of one Air force 1 and a fighter?

jmadison 6 years ago

This was most certainly a photo-op for Obama. Caldera is a political appointee who took an order from Obama's image team to perform this stunt. They know the New Yorkers are so pro-Obama that this little shenanigan will have no effect on his popularity.

VTHawk 6 years ago

It only cost $330,000, what a deal. /sarc

The real scandal is that they were planning to do this do DC next month!

Chris Ogle 6 years ago

Just think.... if they had been at 35,000 feet like Bush when he "checked" the Katrina disaster, this wouldn't be a topic..... and we would be stuck bitchin about Wally World. . Thanks, Big O

jaywalker 6 years ago

$330,000? Seriously!? I hadn't heard that nugget yet. Huh. $150,000 to clothe an entire family for months in order to do 10 photo ops a day and a presidential campaign versus $330,000 for a three hour photo op with a plane.......Kinda makes ya wonder where all the 'outrage' is from those that screamed bloody murder the first time around, don't it?

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

Nick, why don't you get on your own stinking pit of a "forum" to spread your nattering? Oh, wait, that "forum" never got more than 3 unique visitors a month before it failed completely.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

"$330,000? Seriously!? I hadn't heard that nugget yet."

Will you be equally outraged at the next flyover of a KU football game?

"$150,000 to clothe an entire family for months"

Jeez, do you fly to Paris every time you need a new stitch of clothing?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

Or maybe you just shop for clothes the same way Sarah Palin does.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

Hey, Pil, just doing my part so you can have an excuse to inflict us all with a little bit more of your righteous indignation, in between your cheerleading for torture and mass murder of babies and women.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

"But given all of the disasters Obama inherited from BushCo, very possibly including this one"

I see boohoozo's new tactic is revising history while it's still news. Actually, boohoozo, Mr. Caldera was a White House staffer during a former administration.

Bill Clinton's.

"Yep— he's pretty much the president's butler—"

Uh huh.

"Caldera will lead the office that oversees all White House military operations, including Air Force One, Camp David and presidential trips overseas."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/02/louis_caldera_to_oversee_white.html

Some butler. Oh, and it appears the director of the White House Military Office is responsible for where Air Force One goes, not the Pentagon.

"it almost certainly was Caldera's call, not Obama's"

And I almost certainly agree.

Who hired the guy?

"Will you be equally outraged at the next flyover of a KU football game?"

Sure I would be - if a flyover at a KU football game caused mass panic and building evacuations in a city of 20 million people.

"Anyway, where have I defended Obama?"

In virtually every sentence you've posted to this thread, for a start.

"this minor incident"

I'm sure the friends and relatives of those whose loved ones' bodies were never recovered from the rubble appreciate the way you trivialize the incident, you mindless cretin.

BTW, I always thought bozo's nose was red - why is yours so brown, herr klowne?

Mixolydian 6 years ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

However this was allowed to happen, it's definitely Obama's responsibility to fix the problem. But given all of the disasters Obama inherited from BushCo, ...

Official Entrant in the "Kevin Groenhagen of the left" award.

Yeah, but Bush....!!!!!

BigPrune 6 years ago

Obama himself ordered the fly by. He wanted images that showed America is strong. He thought having the Presidential plane with two fighter escorts flying by the statue of liberty would show the world who was boss. Of course this scene is to be projected on TV after he calls for martial law and declares a halt to all elections.

jaywalker 6 years ago

Bozo's posts have been even more ridiculous and brainless than normal. I think he's rampin' it up 'cuz he saw logrithmic had rapidly become the biggest jackass on these boards and he wants his title back.

Godot 6 years ago

Once again, Obama will investigate himself, and find himself to be innocent.

When you are the president, you can delegate authority, but you cannot delegate responsibility.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

bozo, that's a Nick Danger line. You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years ago

Well, I am posting on the JW forum, which is where all us (and that's a very inclusive "us") bottom dwellers reside.

mistygreen 6 years ago

gogoplata - I'm getting a big kick out of your "Top Gun" references.

Suppose the pilot will next be flying a cargo plane full of ?? out of Hong Kong?

Back on topic though...sounds like "we have a failure to communicate" between the White House and the Pentagon...

kmat 6 years ago

You right wingers are just pathetic. You're like fish out water flopping and grasping for air. I feel sorry for the 20% of you that are left in this country. If you haven't figured it out yet, America likes Obama. High approval ratings, people feel like the country is moving in the right direction and what's left of moderate republicans are bailing out because Obama and the dems are the only sensible party left. You guys are just in your death throes and when something is dying is when it makes the most noise.

Vertigo has it correct. Anyone from the military understands that these planes are going to be flown almost everyday, regardless of what the mission is. It didn't cost the taxpayers anything in addition to what we already pay daily for our military.

mistygreen 6 years ago

Tell that to the people in NYC that was scared out of their wits. If I had experienced what those people experienced, I'd be screaming for someone's head. What this whole situation is a stupid, inconsiderate, not planned out photo op. Now if TPTB had planned appropiately and notified city authorities and the public of what was coming, the public would of been prepared. I didn't experience 9/11,but I tell you what, if I see a plane flying at low altitude, it is darn sure going to get my attention. I don't care how anyone wants to "spin it". Someone dropped the ball big time and needs to take responsibility for it.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

One version of Barry's report card: B.H. Obama Economics: F - he may not be a socialist, but his policies clearly are History: F - rejecting what works in favor of what gets votes is the way of the fool Defense: D - Obama is weaking America's resolve and ability Constitution: D - fast and loose is not the presidential standard Judiciary: incomplete Leadership: F - the man is evasive and flees from accountability Overall GPA - 2 points in 5 classes, 0.4 GPA

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/04/30/report-cards.php

jaywalker 6 years ago

"Anyone from the military understands that these planes are going to be flown almost everyday"

No, they're not. They'll do a burn just about every day, warm up the engines on the tarmac, but they don't put 'em in the air every day. Operations and systems checks are routinely done on the ground. There's no need to fly any planes on a daily basis.

Leslie Swearingen 6 years ago

This is not a big deal. The people who panicked acted with their emotion mind, not their rational mind. 9/11 was a long time ago now. Anyone know of an office pool with people betting on which is going to happen first: 1. Get carried away in a flood. 2. Get squashed flat by a tornado. 3. Get killed by the flu.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… ...Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

kmat (Anonymous) says…

"I feel sorry for the 20% of you that are left in this country."

I feel sorry for people that can't read. While the O'dude is popular (as virtually every president is during the honeymoon period), the latest generic congressional ballots have dropped to a 6-point lead for the Dems in the RCP average, with some polls having the Republicans ahead.

"people feel like the country is moving in the right direction"

Um - no. Again, the latest RCP average has more people saying 'wrong track' than 'right direction,' led by that notable conservative bastion of polling, Quinnipiac, which has 63% of the country saying 'wrong track.'

"what's left of moderate republicans are bailing out because Obama and the dems are the only sensible party left"

If you're refering to Specter, the Republicans lost - nothing. It's not as if he voted Republican. And he didn't exactly 'bail out.' Whenever a turncoat like Specter leaves, it's always the same tired line: "The party has moved too far to the right ... [yada yada yada]" as if GW was an arch-conservative. The fact is that he had no possibility of winning the primary in PA (losing would have been no mean feat for someone with his seniority), as the Republicans in PA had decided he had moved too far to the left.

"Vertigo has it correct. Anyone from the military understands that these planes are going to be flown almost everyday"

Since you respect Vertigo's opinion, ask him how many of those 'almost daily' flights are low-level buzzings of a city that lost thousands of people from a deliberate aircraft attack on its most visible landmark.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

Irish (Irish Swearingen) says…

"This is not a big deal. The people who panicked acted with their emotion mind, not their rational mind. 9/11 was a long time ago now."

As someone who lost friends in that attack, Irish, I can assure you that its effects are still felt daily by the people in Manhattan. But hey, what the heck - maybe the people of Hiroshima wouldn't mind having a nuclear plant water tower on the horizon to look at every day.

Cretin.


snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

"beobachter (Anonymous) says… …Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back."

[Sigh]

We can only wish, snap.


jaywalker (Anonymous) says…

"Bozo's posts have been even more ridiculous and brainless than normal. I think he's rampin' it up 'cuz he saw logrithmic had rapidly become the biggest jackass on these boards and he wants his title back."

While loggie is indeed quite a jacka__, jw, boohoozo has nothing to fear.


just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

"You guys are so predicable."

If by 'predictable' you mean it wasn't exactly unexpected that you'd get laughed off the thread, then yes, I guess we are predictable.

As was your usual mindless non-response, typical for when you realize that nobody's buying your load of cr*p - which is pretty much always.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) says…

"No need I'll answer this myself. Go back and re-read my statement. Never did I say flying a low level over a major city was common."

Never did I claim you did. My comment was meant to point out that very thing to kmat, who appeared to be trying to use your post to justify the event.

notajayhawk 6 years ago

"All it would have taken is a simple friggin press release. Doesn't have to include exact altitudes, exact times, aircraft specs, etc."

Actually, I understand the secrecy. It wouldn't take much for someone with a shoulder-fired missile to get a very good photo-op of his own.

The choice appears to have been:

A) Do it as a surprise flyby and cause the expected panic (and it was expected). B) Announce it and put the plane at risk. C) None of the above.

(The correct answer is 'C' - no matter how anyone adds it up, it was a very stupid thing to do.)

notajayhawk 6 years ago

oceanspray (Anonymous) says…

"why dont you worry more about paying off some of your debt and taxes"

Good advice - for the president.

jumpin_catfish 6 years ago

Typical response from bozo, anyway what if someone would have been injured or killed in a panic. I don't blame Obama directly but he should have already fired someone and yes the media is giving him a pass. He's the president and the buck stops with him, the media should never give any president a pass on anything. He has too much power and the danger for abuse is always there. Remember the patriot act people, this guy is hell bent on total government control seems to me. Media better watch him close I say.

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