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Lawrence police investigating possible suicide near Riverfront Mall

Police say gunshot was self-inflicted

Lawrence police are investigating a report of a person dead from a gunshot wound in east Lawrence, police dispatchers said.

September 6, 2008, 10:22 a.m. Updated September 7, 2008, 10:27 a.m.

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Lawrence police officers and Douglas County sheriff's deputies work the scene of a shooting Saturday morning on the east side of the Riverfront Plaza. A red Ford Taurus with Missouri plates sat in the parking lot, covered in blankets, with at least one window shot out.

Lawrence police officers and Douglas County sheriff's deputies work the scene of a shooting Saturday morning on the east side of the Riverfront Plaza. A red Ford Taurus with Missouri plates sat in the parking lot, covered in blankets, with at least one window shot out.

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Lawrence police are investigating a report or a shooting in the area of the Riverfront Mall and the BNSF Railway Depot. (What's Google Street View?)

Lawrence police said a Missouri man about 30 years old was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound Saturday in eastern Lawrence.

Shortly before 10 a.m., police were dispatched to 1 Riverfront Plaza to a parking area between the mall and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway Depot.

Earlier, a fisherman and young boy had spotted a man inside a red four-door Ford Taurus, Police Sgt. Dave Hubbel said. Upon closer inspection, the fisherman noticed that the man was not breathing and called authorities, Hubbel said.

Douglas County Sheriff's Deputies were the first on the scene because they were coming from the shortest distance, Hubbel said. Authorities discovered the vehicle was locked, he aid. A deputy first attempted to break the passenger-side rear door with an expandable baton and then used an entrenching tool to get access to the vehicle, Hubbel said.

The man suffered a self-inflicted gunsot wound to the head, Hubbel said.

Several people in the area reported hearing lound bangs coming from the scene.

One man, Lawrence resident Donavan Kinser, said he heard three bangs that could have been gunshots or the sound of smashing car windows.

Hubbel said police on the scene did not use any weapons beyond the tools used to break the window.

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kansasrose 5 years, 7 months ago

I think it is tremendously sad that this was a suicide. And, I am glad that the LJW had a link to Headquarters, at least in the print version. It is so sad that this person felt as though they were out of options. My prayers go out to his loved ones and those that had to work the scene.

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george_nye 5 years, 7 months ago

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 7 months ago

It occurs to me that this is the parking lot used by many of the people who use the services of The Leo Center.

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Pywacket 5 years, 7 months ago

Thank you, Fatty, for pointing out the glaringly obvious! As I read through all the inane remarks, all I could keep thinking was-- maybe he fired a salvo into the sky, sort of a last hurrah to the world, before climbing into the car and ending it all. That is hardly a far-fetched supposition.I'm sure there are other equally plausible explanations--including the tendency for "witnesses" (visual or aural) to get things totally f---d-up--meaning, there could very well have been only one shot.With all this idiotic speculation, the main point has been lost--that here was an individual so filled with despair that he took his own life rather than continue living it in pain. How alone he must've felt to choose that course of action. Very sad.

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Fatty_McButterpants 5 years, 7 months ago

Wow, you all really are morons. Where does it say that he shot himself three times? Maybe he fired the first two shots in the air! Maybe he shot twice at his imaginary friend! Nope. That's not possible in your feeble little brains - it had to be a murder that the police can't prove.Give me a break. Why don't you take the tinfoil hats off for a while and join the real world.

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afriendofpersonincar 5 years, 7 months ago

when you type some of those things in here think of the people who knew him and cared for him. some times things seem to great for some people to handle

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drugcompton 5 years, 7 months ago

i am so bummed...it wasn't marion like i had so hoped...life isn't fair

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rousseau108 5 years, 7 months ago

What a great "witness." "All the windows are gone" . . . hardly, it looked like only one window could have been broken, most likely from the bullet after it exited the guy's head. Yeah, and why no sound on the video? They still haven't fixed it. Probably too busy crafting their next story on how they won more awards for world's best newspaper ever.

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standuporget 5 years, 7 months ago

I used to print and read scientific journals, Forensic Medicine was one of them. Multiple gunshots are common in hand gun suicides.

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Ray March 5 years, 7 months ago

video clip.................HAS NO AUDIO!! ????:(

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SeaBee 5 years, 7 months ago

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Wendy magillicutty 5 years, 7 months ago

this happens every where people are and dangit! they're every where too. I once owned a house in east lawrence and accidentally left my back door open for the weekend whilst I was out of town. Nobody touched a thing. I live on the west side now and just had my car window smashed. smaller lawns with less lawn treatment and sprinklers do not mean more crime, snobby-snobs. East/West, we're all the same. But I do have to say "I'm depraved on-a count I'm deprived." ha ha...when you're a jet...la la la laearworm? you're welcome.

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yoornotmee 5 years, 7 months ago

"Only in Lawrence." -hawkperchedatriverfront Are you serious? This stuff happens anywhere that has a big population. It happens in small towns too, just not as frequently since there aren't as many people. If you seriously think that these sorts of things happen only in Lawrence, then you're either extremely ignorant or you're extremely stupid. Either way, you're wrong.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

Ramona was on her way to Missouri, this victim was from Missouri, both ended up in Lawrence. What does that say about Lawrence. Morton county has something Lawrence doesn't have, MONEY, as does Stevens county, oi in kansas and gas is $$$.Bring back the severance tax, contact Obama and his staff, they want to tax the rich. Tax the rich in Morton County and Stevens county. What ever happened to Rosaleas Hotel in Harper? Maybe it could be a destination from Lawrence on the new train route departing from Depot Redoucx...to the bcman, would you shoot yourself if you were from Eudora or Holcomb?

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Lets not dis the cops when it appears the confusion arises from poor reporting.

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thebcman 5 years, 7 months ago

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 7 months ago

also, it is time to remember in your prayers, if you pray, the police officers, EMS personnel, and the coroner who have to work at sites like this.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 7 months ago

Termcd,our first two posts referred to a serious typo, do you not notice the " ... updated" ref? hey, maybe the Hawk drove this person to suicide given the location?
seriously, lawrence seems to have higher than average rate of suicide. if we put enough community support and money into it, we could indeed fix the problem of LMH having a mental health ward. seems I recall that nowadays death rates for suicide far outstrip cancer now. instead of 2% for art, 2% to save lives! might just save a few artists' lives!with enough money, we could get psychiatrists to staff it! having a ward at lmh would directly improve the response protocol for some one who walks into the e.r. and says "I want to kill myself." but obviously we need to do more to connect with people considering suicide before the deed/attempt. God care for his or her family. I too wondered about the "shot out windows" rather strange for suicide, made me wonder if something else happened, and a perp set things up to look like a suicide.

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igby 5 years, 7 months ago

Missouri plates, three shots, suicide?Hardly!This only means that they can't prove it was murder!The headline states suicide but the reported facts tell a different story.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 7 months ago

It sure is wonderful out here in Morton County, Kansas.No suicides down by the train station. Heck, no train station or river for that matter. Also no T, K-10, or dorm ledges to fall from. No homeless shelters, roundabouts, universities, bus systems, neighborhood organizations, CDBG block grants, campus fountains, private gifts, endowment associations, Chambers of Commerce executives, Chancellors, students, library remodel plans, industrial parks, Bert Nash centers. Heck, I'm not sure we even have zoning.Just friendly people. Yes, and friendly dogs. Good schools, well-behaved children, great cafes, people that wave to each other on the highway, people that take care of their neighbors in time of need, and television from two time zones! (in case you want to watch that show just one more time).And happy people.Maybe some crotchity old man up there on his under-appraised and under-taxed property up on 1200 Louisiana should sell out at current gold-rush prices and come out and join us here in Morton County and learn to enjoy living. Heck, we might even elect him to the city council AND the school board.

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drugcompton 5 years, 7 months ago

no comments from sidney yet...fingers still crossed.

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BBFantastic 5 years, 7 months ago

Gee, Hawk. Where have YOU been hiding? Oh, maybe by the river?Only in Lawrence? I think not. Try reading national news every once in awhile.

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beobachter 5 years, 7 months ago

actually, hawk, your post shows your skill level. now we know what the a stood for in your advertising course

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macon47 5 years, 7 months ago

branson announced today he his planningto charge the dead man withself inflicted homicide in the third degree

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

Only in Lawrence. Every week someone is shot, killed by the T, killed on K10, falls off roofs, falls from dorm ledges while trying to smoke, falls from balconies, gets hit by a car crossing in the middle of the street while drunk, gets run over in the alley while passed out, gets murdered and body wheeled to the river in a grocery cart, gets assaulted at the drop in center ( a place that is supposed to offer refuge, IT DOESN'T and WONT) close it down.Yes, I want to hear about the leader of the Chamber of Commerce, I would like to read about the "vision" of Lawrence he is going to carrry forward and promote. What is it? Is it a secret, this vision? Or is like the virgin mary on a piece of toast.Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who was in the car and who the car belonged to and solve the situation fast.At least the parking was free.

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Col_Bud_Holland 5 years, 7 months ago

Mutliple gunshots for a "suicide".....yeah right.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

And you don't like the "hawk" . Hawk got a A in Advertising. Let hawk write the headlines, more papors would get sold. excuse the o, my e didn't work at the time. Nothing like a majlfunctioning e and keyboard. For that matter why didnt the paper refer to the incident as taking place just outside the Sante Fe Depot, the one to be restored. Maybe the guy was to shoot out the train station windows. I just find it hard to believe that someone would kill themsefl and shoot our their care windows.

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drugcompton 5 years, 7 months ago

...fingers crossed...please...please...please...be...

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swan_diver 5 years, 7 months ago

Aside from the 'reporting' of the ongoing human toll here -- the LJW succeeds once again in using 'East Lawrence' as an pejorative epithet, in its long, long campaign to demonize and degrade the entire district and its population of racialized, marginalized, 'low-class' malcontents. As 'hawk-perched,' who lives down there noted, 'in the shadow of the World Company's offices' would have been a more accurate and appropriate geographic reference.

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Col_Bud_Holland 5 years, 7 months ago

Maybe it was madmike taking care of some hippy.

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Hawk6643 5 years, 7 months ago

If you are going to kill yourself you would think you would make sure the first shot count.

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BigPrune 5 years, 7 months ago

How can the windows be "all gone" when there is reflections on the rear glass and driver side front and rear door window areas? Even looking at the open door's window (on the passenger side) there's a color differentiation which looks like intact tinted glass to me.

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Col_Bud_Holland 5 years, 7 months ago

sounds like topekans. I know how the conservitives hate librul lawrence and talk up topeka, but I wish they would send thier teenage girls to Robinson middle school so they can get raped and shot on the way to school in the hood. But topeka is great.

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50YearResident 5 years, 7 months ago

He must have shot himself 3 times before he got a fatal hit, should have been closer to himself.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

and smash up the car before killing himself? rare for a suicide victim to do that, unless it was getttng repossed, this sounds (?????) it says east lawrence, why not east of downtown a cupple of blocks, or even one block from the Jouranl World offices

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hujiko 5 years, 7 months ago

In the nineteenth century, guns with multiple rounds began being produced, you dont have to shoot yourself on the first pull too....

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Hawk6643 5 years, 7 months ago

Tell me how, if this guy commited suicide, he was able to get the last 2 rounds off after the first one.

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Pudgy1 5 years, 7 months ago

how often does someone take 3 gunshots to commit suicicde..............maybe the first two were for courage building

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Termcd4 5 years, 7 months ago

I dont see anywhere in the article where it says "afternoon"....am i missing something?

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 7 months ago

ummm:. "were on the scene Saturday afternoon investigating" : I knew my clocks were off but none of them is more than 5 minutes away from the next and theysay it's just past 10:35---hey, somewhere in the world its gotta be saturday afternoon!

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itsdabits 5 years, 7 months ago

ummm.... "were on the scene Saturday afternoon investigating" ... I knew my clocks were off but none of them is more than 5 minutes away from the next and they say it's just past 10:35

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