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Palin is pleasant surprise

September 3, 2008

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— I have never met a weak woman, or a male victim, in Alaska. You've got to be tough to survive in a state that is further away from Washington than any other, except Hawaii. In terms of the contrasts between how most Alaskans think and what passes for reasoning by career politicians in Washington, Alaska might as well be a colony on the moon.

Initial criticism from the Obama campaign (and his media acolytes) is that Gov. Sarah Palin lacks experience to be vice president and, if necessary, president. That Obama lacks experience to be president has led some pundits to say that issue is now a wash, harming neither candidate. Not true.

There is good and there is bad experience. More importantly, there is worldview. Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, see America as a nation in which government plays a primary role in individual lives. John McCain and Sarah Palin see the individual as primary and government as a protector of freedom that can help the less fortunate become self-sustaining.

One can already sense the lines of attack against Palin. Why did she have a child she knew would be born with Down syndrome? She practices what she preaches about her pro-life views. She had this child because she didn't want to play God.

Speaking of God, Palin is a serious, practicing Christian, unlike some in the Democratic Party who have studied how to manipulate religious language and imagery to dupe some churchgoers into voting for Obama. In contrast to Obama's pastor for 20 years, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who preached hate-filled, anti-American sermons, the sermons at Palin's former church, Wasilla Bible Church (she now attends a church with similar beliefs called Juneau Christian Center), were far more Bible-based and traditional.

Sermon titles dealt with personal sin, how to give God joy, assurance of an afterlife and how to get there by serving God and others. The media will go to the church's "statement of faith" and try to paint her as a bigot and exclusionist for believing what Jesus said about Himself and the path to salvation.

Watch during her debate with Joe Biden - and even before that Oct. 2 event - for journalists to portray her as a know-nothing about foreign affairs. They'll try a version of the pop quiz given to George W. Bush during the 2000 campaign when he had trouble naming the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan. Palin could score points with voters who loathe the big media by not only answering such a question correctly, but by also asking this one ("how is it your network pays you so much money to ask a stupid question like that?")

Unlike the Democrats, who only talk reform, Palin has bucked her own party to attack corruption and get things done in Alaska. Imagine a Democratic politician doing that.

As for being the first Republican woman on a national ticket, this ought not to be about gender, but ideology. Sarah Palin seems to have more common sense than a lot of male politicians. That should play well with Middle America and blue-collar voters who rely more on their own common sense than poll-tested pronouncements by elected officials. And she wore a skirt and heels at her introduction last week in Dayton, Ohio. That should count for something among men and women who are tired of pantsuits.

Someone pinned "Iron Lady" on Margaret Thatcher after she became prime minister of Britain. It was meant as criticism. Thatcher took it as a compliment and used it to advance her conservative agenda.

Sarah Palin is going to need a moniker other than "Barracuda." I offer her "Steel Magnolia." In the 1989 film "Steel Magnolias," Ouiser Boudreaux, played by Shirley MacLaine, delivers one of many classic lines: "I'm not as sweet as I used to be." While anything can happen in politics and McCain's selection may be risky, my bet is that the pretty, pro-life, gun-toting hockey mom is going to pleasantly surprise a lot of people with her toughness and common sense view of life and the world.

If I were Joe Biden, I'd be careful. This steel magnolia might reduce him to tears.

- Cal Thomas is a columnist for Tribune Media Services.

Comments

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound04:."I think if you run on a "family values" platform, then the way you treat/deal with your family is fair game for criticism."Perhaps you could define this "family values" platform Palin has run on, and the way it is inconsistent with how she "treats/deals" with her family.

seano 6 years, 8 months ago

The writer says Palin's church (preumably a lot like his) is more bible based and traditional than Obama's. Not clear what he bases this on, unless he goes to Church in Alaska. I guess he hasn't yet caught wind of the news that the topic when Palin sat in Church a couple of weeks ago was how Jews are being punished with terrorist attacks for their unbelief in Jesus. With Sarah soaking it all in:Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity. "Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment - you can't miss it." ..hmmm, now that's a good solid traditional "Christian" homily.

MyName 6 years, 8 months ago

@madmike (re: Rep. Pelosi):Well yeah, because all of us here actually get to vote for or against Pelosi in the next election. Which state do you think you are in madmike?

bmwjhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

"Speaking of God, Palin is a serious, practicing Christian, unlike some in the Democratic Party who have studied how to manipulate religious language and imagery to dupe some churchgoers into voting for Obama."Give me a break! This is Item #1 on the Republican party agenda. Why, oh why, do I read this guy?Steel Magnolia? How about Stella?

KEITHMILES05 6 years, 8 months ago

Hey Cal, why bring Obama's former pastor into the fray?Your mumbo jumbo is just that. Nothing to it.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

"That means, Sarah Palin supports rapists' rights to choose the mothers of their children."So it can fairly be said she's for expanding the rights of rapists and incest perps. Why does Sarah hate America so much? Does she share her hubbies view that Alaska should cecede?

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

BTW, where does her husband's participation in the secessionist Alaska Independence Party fit into this little bit of myth making? As I understood the flak regarding Michelle Obama's comments about being proud of America "for the first time" there was quite a bit of Republican concern about the views of the spouses. This guy was an active secessionist? Will one of the McCain apologists please present the tortured logic that allows participation in efforts to secede and harchly criticizes poorly worded praise for the county.

peach_plum_pear 6 years, 8 months ago

McCain's VP pick was all about political pandering, and Cal fell for it. McCain is desperate to win, and if he does, we will be in big trouble.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

I'd like the answers to the following questions:1. Do you advocate the teaching of creationist belief in public schools? Do you believe in evolution?2. Do you support a woman's right to chose an abortion consistent with current Supreme Court precedent?3. Do you support abortion in the case of rape or incest?4. Do you support stem cell research?5. If abortion is outlawed, should the State be required to provide housing, food and medical assistance to the mother and resulting child? How will these benefits be paid for?6. Did you support the imposition of punative damages on behalf of the plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez case? What safeguards would or have you put in place to ensure that oil and gas companies to not spoil the environment while extracting these natural resources? 7. Do you support "hunting" of wolves from airplanes? 8. Do you support elimination of the loopholes that have allowed speculation in the oil futures market to drive the prices to unnatural highes over the last 10 months? Should oil companies be required to return some of their windfall profits via windfall profits tax?9. The pastor of your church issued pronouncements from the pulpit suggesting a vote for John Kerry to result in damnation to Hell, and criticism of george w. bush was a sin, etc. Did you denounce these comments and leave the church? Do you denounce the comments now? 10. Has george w. bush been a successful President?

d_prowess 6 years, 8 months ago

While I will be voting for Obama, I do think it is odd that so many people are questioning Palin's commitment to her family. Why can't the her husband be the primary caretaker of the family since her job will obviously take up a lot of time? Do people feel that men aren't as good at that type or thing or that just women should have that role? I think most of these claims are coming from liberals that think her stance flies in the face of the conservative belief in family values. And it may to some social conservatives that feel women are meant to be the family caretaker, but for the vast majority I have always thought that refered to just an overall commeitment to the family without specific gender roles being designated (something I think Liberals believe in as well, but have never done as good of a job promoting this as the conservatives). So I guess that while I do have problems with Palin, the level of committment to her family is not really one of them.

SpeedRacer 6 years, 8 months ago

This says it all about Palin, in her own words:www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

feeble 6 years, 8 months ago

Satirical , if Sarah Palin increased funding, produce the documentation. Unverified comments from anonymous posters are worthless. The linked story contains a PDF of the actual bill where Palin line -item vetoed funding for vital services for pregnant teens.While you are at it, please explain why Todd Palin, who was a member of the AIP, a seperatist movement, from 1995 - 2002 hates America? Why did Sarah Palin address the AIP's 2008 convention, a political organization whose chief goal is cessation from the Union? Why do the Palins hate America?

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkjg,i agree with everything you said. liberal hypocrisy will know no bounds with this VP select. they'll show their true colors...hell, predictably and true to form, they're showin' them now. McCain has wedged them into a corner that will expose them for what they are: ideologues who are not as concerned with women as they are with winning.BTW, you gotta admit, us menfolk are at least a little handy when it comes to moving furniture. ;)

Bossa_Nova 6 years, 8 months ago

i dont agree with republican ideology and i doubt i agree with palin's ideology ( i dont know enough about her yet ), but nevertheless, i think the mccain camp was smart in getting her on the ticket. obama may still win, but theyre gonna have to work a little harder to win with this girl as the vp opponent. it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Autie:"Oh really? Are they just going to give everybody a job?"No, it is Obama's plan to create bigger government. McCain's and conservatives believe the role of government is to protect individuals and create an environment, which through an individuals hard work and ingenuity, anyone can succeed. It is not to give everybody a job, although low unemployment will be a result of McCain's plan.To paraphrase Sen. Thompson: Obama's plan of increasing taxes on businesses is only harmful is you purchase products or services from a business, or get a paycheck from one. He doesn't want to take water out of your half of the bucket, he wants to take it from the other half.

feeble 6 years, 8 months ago

Why are all of the conservative posters and pundits conflating having young children with having young children with physical and mental disabilities? Yes, people with Down's Syndrome can be bright, caring, loving, wonderful people, but it certainly takes more time and resources to give them what they need to grow into those wonderful people. It seems that real world challenges and disabilities do not matter to the far right. I imagine they are just following the lead of their latest celebrity, Sarah Palin, who as Governor of Alaska cut programs designed to help educate and prepare single, unwed teen moms for the challenges they would face as single, unwed teen moms:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslotAs McCain's campaign manager pointed out yesterday, the GOP doesn't value issues, only appearances.

KansasPerson 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound04 said:"And while I personally believe that Palin is not her husband,..."Eh what? That's one I haven't heard!! Not Republican, yes; but not her husband?

zzgoeb 6 years, 8 months ago

Two interesting items from the neo-cons on these boards; they are suddenly experts on Christianity, and they "hate" sexists!!! Wow, did you all pick these points up from Rush?!As for independent Christian churches, they are "independent" because they are too far outside the mainstream for Baptists...mmmm? Also, have any of you ever really met an open-minded, loving, minority member of such a church? Do they espouse love of all people, tolerance, and peace? If you have, your are the ONLY one to do so. How will Palin live in DC and bring her family with her? Is this the best for them? And as far as leadership, should she and her husband have spent some time with there 17-year old daughter to explain pro-creation and marraige as a sacred union? Mmmm, I guess she was too busy as a hockey mom?

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

it's also a good idea that any politician with young children ought to be a stay-at-home parent. let's see if that one gains momentum while we're at it.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound04:."If MR. Palin were the VP candidate, and were equally inexperienced, HE would be getting the same criticisms."That is obviously untrue. Obama has even less experience than Palin, but gets little criticism from the left. While this is partly due to blindly following ideology, it is also clear from the numerous sexist arguments originating from the left, that gender plays a role.

labmonkey 6 years, 8 months ago

The left better leave Palin alone....just think of the scandal brewing when it's found out that Bill Clinton is the father of her daughter's baby!

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

"I never heard your whining asses ask about Pelosi's ability to be a politician, and she has a brood of little leftists in california. A bit sexist I think!"Do a little research, and you just might learn something. Pelosi didn't run for office until her youngest child was a senior in high school. This is completely different than Palin, who gave birth to a child with down syndrome only so she could wave him around as an anti-abortion poster child. Also, what kind of moron names her kids Track, Trig, Bristol, Willow , and Piper?

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

A suggestion to all the liberals who want to follow Obama, but also want to attack Palin's family. Obama has said it should be off-limits. Is the rest of the election going to be about Palin's family or is it going to be about the issues? I thought Obama wanted a new kind of politics, but it is clear the liberals are playing by the same old rules, to the same political game. Whether you think Republicans started it first is a childish argument and is moot. Practice what you (and your leaders) preach.

jayhawkjg 6 years, 8 months ago

Does this country not respect that women are equals to the men in this country.The talk is sounding like the Liberals want to lock the little woman up in the house, make her answer to her man. Give me a break this is 2008, Men of America, Suck it up, Women power is here to stay. Women can get twice the work done in half the time of a man. We need new blood in Washington.I did not hear this much trash talk about Hillery, why Sara now? It is because the is a conservative. Stand up women, let your voice be heard. Last I knew Women still had the right to vote, WE MUST LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD ON This election day.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

It is now clear that many liberals are sexist. They used sexist tactics against Hillary Clinton and are now using them against Palin. If she were a man, questions about where her family should live, and whether she should be at home taking care of her children rather than being VP would never occur.Palin and McCain are mavericks that are going to reduce corruption, pork barrel spending, and inefficiency in government. They care more about what is right than about their political party. Obama and Biden are going to create more bureaucracy; perpetuate wasteful and inefficiency in government, promise everyone the moon and stars to get elected, create even larger deficits than Bush created, and raise taxes which is like kicking an economy when it is down. I like McCain's change more than Obama's.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

feeble....Maybe you should read some of the comments to that biased article, including the one stating she tripled funding for teen moms. She did not cut anything, she adjusted what the legislature approved, likely to balance the budget, but again still approved dramatic increases in funding for teen moms.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Cal: "They'll try a version of the pop quiz given to George W. Bush during the 2000 campaign when he had trouble naming the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan."God forbid, "they" ask questions about world leaders and world affairs during a vice-presidential debate! What nerve! Exactly what manner of soft-ball question would Cal prefer? What is the best method of taking down an elk from 100 meters? Fishing tackle queries? The fact that Bush wasn't able to answer questions about world leaders turned out to be warning shots hinting at the incompetence to come, which the voters chose to ignore. I highly recommend we stick to asking the tough questions of all the candidates. Then, we should pay attention to the answers given and vote accordingly.

jaywalker 6 years, 8 months ago

"If she were a man (with the exact same credentials) McCain never would have chosen her as his Vice Presidential candidate."Problem is, you nor anyone know this to be true, logic. It's speculation, and while possible, I highly doubt any campaign would be that one-tracked, that's selling an awful lot of people short.As to your question of whether she was the best person for the job, well, that's more than a loaded question. Is that how the VP has been picked in the past? Has there been a consensus that Gore and Quayle were the BEST candidates? How 'bout Ford or Mondale? Asking if someone is the most qualified can only be answered subjectively. They certainly could have picked someone with more experience, but I think they got what they were looking for: a strong, personally convicted governor, a fresh face for new blood that doesn't mind stirring things up even against her own party in order to do what's right. Lieberman was never a real possibility, I don't think. Not sure why they didn't go with Romney exactly, but I imagine it had a lot to do with what I just stated. Everyone's screaming for 'change' (just like every other election it seems), and I think along Rep. lines she is a fresh change for the better.As to the 'sexist' takes, the only ones that bother me are how Pallin should stay home with the family instead. She wasn't going to give up the Governor's office when she had the child, why should she pass on the opportunity of a lifetime? Really looking forward to her speech tonight, anxious to hear what she has to say. I suspect another of her assets is public speaking, another possible reason she was selected in order to counter, if even slightly, Obama's magnificent presence behind a mike.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

"demoncratic party."I get it. Democrats are "demons." Oh, that is rich, and it follows a nationally syndicated writer who makes the claim that only Republican politicians are true Christians and that Democratic church-goers are just faking it. What next, are you going to recommend that Obama be burned at the stake? I have no doubt that Palin has skills and is capable of handling a debate -- she has a degree in communications, after all. The notion that she will reduce Biden to tears, however, is just stupid.The main issue for Palin, and why she was selected, is because she is against abortion and McCain is desperate to strengthen his positioin with the right-wingers in the Republican party. Abstinence only and anti-abortion (and apparently pro 17 year olds getting hitched). Would she try to make such ideas mandatory for everyone else? I'm not sure who said this first, but it is worth repeating: Palin for outlawing abortions in all instances, including in cases of rape and incest. That means, Sarah Palin supports rapists' rights to choose the mothers of their children. Obama Biden!

MyName 6 years, 8 months ago

@RestoreReason:To paraphrase an esteemed Senator, "Sara Palin is no Jack Kennedy". And it's not sexist to point out the irony in the fact that a candidate who is trying to run on a platform of "Family Values" and putting family first is trying to get a job that will most likely take up so much of her time that she will end up putting her family second.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound:."If she were a man (with the exact same credentials) McCain never would have chosen her as his Vice Presidential candidate."First, you have no proof to support your allegationSecond, McCain wanted a candidate that is a paradigm of how he sees himself, a maverick. Palin went after people in her own party because it was the right thing to do. She raised taxes on oil companies and refused federal money for the "bridge to nowhere". Palin like McCain want to end corruption, wasteful spending and make government work better.Third, don't liberals support affirmative action? "So:sorry to rain on all the fun you're having accusing people of being "sexist", but just wanted you to remember that the whole reason Palin is even in the news is due to a sexist decision." LS04"It would be sexist if (A) people who are criticizing Palin would not be critical of a male with the same resume, or (B) She was being criticized for things related to her sex." LS04 at 10:25Comments made earlier about whether Palin should stay at home to care for her children, or whether DC is a good environment for her children are clearly sexist. Would you disagree?"Is Palin the most qualified PERSON for the job? If you say 'yes', then please explain why she is more qualified than the other potential Republican VPs." LS04First, Is Obama the most qualified PERSON for the job? Was he only nominated because he is African-American? While it would be naÃive to not realize this could have played a role, I think it is also fair to say Obama is smart, and a very eloquent and articulate public speaker (although the way he answered questions at Saddleback might indicate how he will perform in the debates). Obama like Palin was chosen for a number of reasons.Second, to re-emphasize my second point above; the candidate (President of VP) is not always based on who is the MOST qualified person. Sometimes a VP is picked because of personality and friendship, McCain almost picked Lieberman. Sometimes VP's are picked to strengthen a weakness, Obama picking Biden. Sometimes VPs are not selected because of baggage, Romney being a Mormon may have precluded him from being selected. In sum, many factors go into selecting a VP.Third, Palin does have experience. And as Beatrice has stated several times, what are the necessary qualifications to be a VP?

lee66049 6 years, 8 months ago

Lets see, Palin, governor of the largest state in the union, a huge reservoir of our nations oil, living within budget and gave $1,200. cash back to its citizens from their oil. And then we have Obama, one term senator, from a congress that has the lowest approval ratings ever and did nothing during our energy crisis. Barrack spent two years running for office. And the left says Obama has more experience than Palin.That's funny....real funny! LOL!

kansas778 6 years, 8 months ago

scott3460 (Anonymous) says: Should oil companies be required to return some of their windfall profits via windfall profits tax?*****Ignorance is no excuse. Please learn what a windfall profit is before you try to discuss it again.

acoupstick 6 years, 8 months ago

Nice link Speedracer. My two favorite quotes:"Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said."Apparently, god is pro-gas!"Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you.""According to Palin's former minister, criticizing our leaders will get you a one-way ticket to H-E-doublehockeysticks. So god is pro-Bush! Obviously he/she/it will be pro-McCain, but will he/she/it be pro-Obama? Will republicans go to hell for criticizing a President Obama? Stay tuned!!

Katara 6 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkjg (Anonymous) says: I did not hear this much trash talk about Hillery, why Sara now? It is because the is a conservative.~~~There was tons of trash talk about Hilary. Do you think discussion of Hilary's outfits had anything to do with her policies? Cal even brings it up in the above article. Why don't we get fashion reviews of male candidates? Or critiques of their make-up (Remember Kathleen Harris anyone?)?"And she wore a skirt and heels at her introduction last week in Dayton, Ohio. That should count for something among men and women who are tired of pantsuits."It also refers to the implications that Hillary didn't behave like a female. Hillary was (and still is) portrayed as ruthless, someone who would do anything to gain political power. But here we have Sarah Palin doing the same thing as Hillary (running for office) and you are surprised that the same crap about women in power in general is being slung? What about the nickname "Shrillary" - definitely something a man is never referred to. Shrill mainly is used to described hysterical women.I have no idea how old you are but this same game was played when Geraldine Ferraro was nominated for VP.I don't think it has much to do with being conservative but rather with American attitude's about the "proper" role of women in society. I think for a lot too, it has more to do with the ages of the children. The majority of women who have been in office do so when their children are older. Women with children younger than school age entering the political arena is a relatively new phenomena. People are not used to the idea yet.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Acoupstick:You know, it is fairly common knowledge that people who twist words or label their opponents really don't understand the opposing argument and resort to petty tactics to dissuade others who are equally ignorant.

KansasPerson 6 years, 8 months ago

Personally I'm just happy that Cal thinks she's pretty! And that he's so glad she wore a skirt and high heels to the speech! That's the kind of in-depth political analysis that I expect to find on my editorial page, by gum. I already suspected that this woman was the wet-dream for men of the NASCAR persuasion, but now I know it for sure!(BTW Logic, I know what you really meant (I think!)... I was just havin' some fun with you.)

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

i think it's great to rigorously question a candidate's experience-level, or lack thereof, as a measure of readiness to hold the highest office in the land.keep that up! maybe this questioning of experience is something that will gain momentum.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound04:"It is an inference based on the fact that Palin offers little to no additional benefit to the ticket." Palin's benefit is buttressing some of McCain's strength's, such as reforming Washington, reducing corruption, waste and inefficiency. If you could choose between one body guard or two body guards (assuming the body guards are identical and two costs the same as one), which would you choose? McCain and Palin want to protect the people from the self-serving politicians and bureaucracy. I don't see how more of that attitude isn't a benefit. Plus she is a young, ordinary, attractive hard working American to which people can relate; while some see McCain as old, wealthy, and unattractive."Please don't tell me that a man of equal experience would be treated with the same seriousness that the right-wing pundits are treating Palin." LS04"seriousness"? Do you mean if Palin had the same credentials but was a man, conservatives wouldn't support him? If that is what you are alleging I disagree."I would hazard a guess that there are more-qualified, equally-rebellious options out there." LS04Again you fail to understand my point that VPs are not decided based on one factor. Even assuming you premise is true does not lead to the conclusion that this hypothetical male would be a better VP pick. Maybe the hypothetical male was not a conservative (Lieberman) or had other baggage (Romney) or wasn't a Washington outsider, or a bad public speaker or debater."A great number do. So you're saying Palin WAS chosen with her sex as the basis? Because that's the only way Affirmative Action would apply here:" LS04Exactly. If you support Affirmative Action yet criticize it's alleged use by a Republican, then it clearly reeks of hypocrisy and old style politics. "An "unqualified" Presidential candidate is the reponsibility of the people. An "unqualified" VP candidate is the responsibility of the Presidential campaign who picked him/her." LS04Last time I checked I get to vote on who I want to be President and VP. So whoever the VP pick is the responsibility of the people. If McCain picked Lieberman I would not have voted for them."I can't help but question his ability to make critical decisions, seeing as how he picked a candidate that, by your own assertion, brings nothing additional to the table." LS04First, I never stated my previous counter argument about why McCain chose Palin was an exclusive list.Second, read my first argument on this post to counter your argument

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

"Why has the party of Lincoln endorsed someone who, as Governor, gave tacit approval to a political organization seeking to sunder the Union?"Very nice point!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Unlike the Democrats, who only talk reform, Palin has bucked her own party to attack corruption and get things done in Alaska. "You mean like the $27 million in earmarks she got for Wasilla-- you know, the woman who says Alaska don't need on steenking earmarks?BTW, where does her participation in the secessionist Alaska Independence Party fit into this little bit of myth making?

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Feeble:."Satirical , if Sarah Palin increased funding, produce the documentation." "In 2007, Covenant House reported $1.3 million dollars in "grant income". In 2006, the figure was $1.2 million. So why, all of the sudden, did Covenant House seem to need 4 times that amount, $5 million or so in state money?"http://www.anchorrising.com/barnacles/006281.htmlIf this site and its numerous links to verifiable information is insufficient for your needs, do your own research to disprove it."While you are at it, please explain why Todd Palin, who was a member of the AIP, a seperatist movement, from 1995 - 2002 hates America? Why did Sarah Palin address the AIP's 2008 convention, a political organization whose chief goal is cessation from the Union? Why do the Palins hate America?" - feebleSure, I will answer all your questions once you reconcile your question Sarah and Todd Palin's patriotism with Obama declaring patriotism of the opposing party should not be questioned.; and once you satisfactorily answer all the questions about Obama attending a church for 20 years that taught Black Liberation Theology, and his numerous radical associations. You are not attempting to have a dialogue or discuss real issues, you only seek to lob allegations and hide behind your ignorance. You are playing the dirty game of politics when America is ready for change.

KEITHMILES05 6 years, 8 months ago

Also, Cal does not speak of the fact that Palin has five kids at home with the most recent baby born having Downs Syndrome. It begs the question NOT of abortion but caring for her children. How can she be expected to do service to her family if she is VP? And conversely, how can she carry out her official duties with such a heavy plate at home? I mean, really now.............are these the kind of "family" values which she wishes to portray?

feeble 6 years, 8 months ago

Satirical, the director of Division of Elections in Alaska, Gail Fenumiai, has informed the mainstream media that Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party. The chief goal of the AIP is to break away from the Union. This is now a matter of public record, a factual statement to be explained or disputed, not some mere allegation.As for myself, I'm a registered independent and I don't take my marching orders from Obama. I've watched these exact same questions be put to the Democrats for months, and now it is the Republicans turn, as far as I am concerned that door was opened long ago.I see you brought up rev. Wright, perhaps you would be so good as to explain Palin's continued association with a pastor who endorses fringe organizations like Jews for Jesus? Obama repudiated Wright, will Palin repudiate the AIP and Ed Kalnins?Why has the party of Lincoln endorsed someone who, as Governor, gave tacit approval to a political organization seeking to sunder the Union?

Bob Forer 6 years, 8 months ago

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S OWN PEGGY NOONAN SAYS "ITS OVER" Who is Peggy Noonan? She is one of a handful of the nationally known conservative pundits who has brain, brawn experience, stature and respect.She is an author of seven books on politics, religion and culture, a weekly columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and was a primary speech writer and Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan. She is considered a political conservative.Five of Noonan's books have been New York Times bestsellers. Noonan is a Trustee of the Manhattan Institute. She has been awarded honorary doctorates from Miami University, St. John Fisher College, her alma mater Fairleigh Dickinson University, Adelphi College, and Saint Francis College. She was nominated for Emmy Awards for her work on The West Wing and America: A Tribute to Heroes.Anyway, she was on an NBC segment with Mike Todd today, and after she was finished speaking, her microphone remained "hot" and she continued to speak with the other guest, Republican consultant Mike Murphy. As some of you may know, satellite feeds remain live, and since the microphone remained on, and was apparently recorded by someone, you can clearly hear the continued conversation. She trashes both McCain and Palin. Calls it "political bullsh*it." and laments that "its over." Very telling, as it is a very candid and intellectually honest, and it comes from a well respected conservative. The fact that it is her private thoughts, and not public spin makes it even more credible.Here is the link to the Yahoo story which contains a video of the broadcast and Noonan's after-broadcast comments. INCREDIBLE. PRICELESS You have to hear and see it to believe it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200809 ... tico/20576So, to you conservative posters who insist that Palin is perfect and that you're gonna "whup us" in November, I suggest that you reconsider your mindless, camp follower ways, and start thinking for yourselves like you leaders are doing (at least privately). Fascists and communists are known as mindless camp followers. Americans, on the other hand, have a noble tradition of venerating the highest ideals of independent thought and Constitutional Democracy. So, to you posters who continue to brag how "perfect" Palin is, and how you're gonna "whup us," think again, and please, take some advice: Shut up (you're only embarrassing yourself), cowboy up, and get over it. According to one of your trusted leaders. "ITS OVER"!!

acoupstick 6 years, 8 months ago

"You know, it is fairly common knowledge that people who twist words or label their opponents really don't understand the opposing argument and resort to petty tactics to dissuade others who are equally ignorant."You are trying to accuse me of ignorance and that's fine. I could care less. My comments were intentionally cynical and sarcastic. I am amazed that McCain chose a running mate with a resume as thin as Palin's given his criticism of Obama's lack of experience. It reeks of politics. As does your apparent rejection of the importance that Kalnins' comments in a discussion of Palin's qualifications. Wright and the right brought religion into the discussion. Not only do I not care about a candidate's religious persuasion, I don't even want to know. Comments like those of Kalnins or Falwell or Don Fowler are ignorant and if you believe any of them so are you.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Feeble:."The chief goal of the AIP is to break away from the Union.False. The goal of the AIP is to allow the citizens of Alaska to choose their legal status, and degree of sovereignty.http://www.akip.org/index.htmlWhile some individuals who belong to the party may support independence, it is not the sole party platform. "As for myself, I'm a registered independent and I don't take my marching orders from Obama." - feebleOf course you are an independent....I can tell from your rabid attacks against Palin. Every real independent I have ever know is much more objective than your comments indicate you are. Nevertheless, do you agree or disagree with Obama's statement regarding the questioning of one's opponent's patriotism?"Obama repudiated Wright, will Palin repudiate the AIP and Ed Kalnins?" - feebleFirst, Obama repudiated some of Wright's recent comments and stop attending the church, he did not repudiate Rev. Wright.Second, Sarah Palin was never member of AIPThird, I know nothing about Ed Kalnins, and until you can provide facts to support your allegation I will not discuss it's relevance.

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Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

"Cal, how much did you get paid to write this stupid uninformed opinion piece?"obviously a tad more than you to reciprocate out here in good ol' jerkwwater USA. well, at least we get you for free and we seem to be getting our money's worth.

Todd Epp 6 years, 8 months ago

Jumpin--Sounds like Palin is a surrogate for Phill Kline. I'm just sayin'.

KEITHMILES05 6 years, 8 months ago

If Palin would have kept her damn mouth shut about her family affairs then none of this would be public fodder. However, since she did not then it's open for discussion.

XEPCT 6 years, 8 months ago

"They'll try a version of the pop quiz given to George W. Bush during the 2000 campaign when he had trouble naming the leaders of Chechnya, Taiwan, India and Pakistan. Palin could score points with voters who loathe the big media by not only answering such a question correctly, but by also asking this one ("how is it your network pays you so much money to ask a stupid question like that?")"Yes, these are stupid questions. But if she answered the Pakistan question "correctly" then I anticipate jubilation in the streets of Islamabad since their president just resigned two weeks ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_Pervez_MusharrafThere's no reason to know about any potential problems with poor little Taiwan, except it is entirely claimed by China.And India and Pakistan, they wouldn't have any reason to go to war. I mean they haven't fought a war for almost a decade, that's pretty good for two of our allies.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_WarOh and Chechyna, it isn't even a country! Just a part of Russia! It just has the small matter of an ongoing guerilla campaign that has lasted about a decade. Well at least it is in a beautiful location bordering Georgia, which I don't recollect being in the news recently.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_phase_of_the_Second_Chechen_War_(2008)Cal, how much did you get paid to write this stupid uninformed opinion piece?

KsTwister 6 years, 8 months ago

Just like the Republicans to bring the same old issue to another campaign over and over again. Don't you bloomin' people people think they could have done something by now. SLOW.When they get to current issues with some real urgency like the war,levies,recession,and energy vs. oil dependence............let me know. It isn't happening.

Bob Forer 6 years, 8 months ago

This gentleman attended the U.S. Naval Academy with John McCain. He graduated in the top 25% of his class. (unlike McCain, who was fifth from the bottom). He was awarded Two Silver Stars, Two Bronze Stars, Two Legions of Merit, Two Purple hearts, and like John McCain, he flew in Viet Nam, was shot down and captured, and was a fellow prisoner of war. This is what he feels about McCain's candidacy for POUSA: (video)http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/fellow-navy-pow-speaks-about-mccain/

Bob Forer 6 years, 8 months ago

Scotty. Beam me up. I am rolling on the floor and laughing my butt off. that was funny. thanks.

Todd Epp 6 years, 8 months ago

Cal, you have a funny definition of "pleasant surprise." I'm just sayin'.

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

duplenty (Anonymous) says: "Palin attended a sermon at her church two weeks ago featuring the head of Jews for Jesus - a group that all six branches of the religion repudiate as a hate group."any audio? video? nothing makes ordinary folks want to excoriate more than seeing with their our own eyes or hearing with our own ears things like:"...no, no, no, not God bless America...God $%*& America!" reverend JWis this just more wishful thinking and accusatory layering and pooh slinging or do we really have something.btw, what six branches of what religion? also why/what is JFJ guilty of hate? (sincerely).

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

More fun facts about McCain's choice to help him continue the bush/cheney destruction of our country. 1. Palin racked up nearly $20,000,000.00 debt while mayor of Wasilla. That's a $3,000 debt per resident. Sound familiar? An they claim (with straight faces) to be fiscally responsible. 2. Palin tonight will paint herself as an energy expert willing to move forward on all energy front, not just oil and gas. As governor, however, she's vetoed wind farm and clean coal initiatives. She also spearheaded support for a recent ballot referendum that allowed oil and gas companies to dump their waste products in salmon streams and other waterways used by humans. 3. While mayor in Wasilla Palin asked the library director whether she could "live with censorship of library books." Palin later dismissed the conversation as a "rhetorical" exercise (whatever that means?)What a delightful breath of fresh air. Sounds like quite a change from the last 8 years they have planned.

XEPCT 6 years, 8 months ago

"obviously a tad more than you to reciprocate out here in good ol' jerkwwater USA.well, at least we get you for free and we seem to be getting our money's worth."Thanks guy! but, you know neither who I am nor my income, still thanks for the compliment. I'd win a beauty contest with Cal (if you get the print edition), but that isn't saying, well, anything at all.Keep your chin up, you'll get out of "jerkwwater" someday!

feeble 6 years, 8 months ago

Satirical, I question the patriotism of anyone who joins a political party who's main goal is to cause a state to leave the Union. That is the every essence of being unpatriotic! And you really should read the actual comments you attempt to rebuke. The argument here is that Sarah Palin's husband was a registered member of the AIP. That Palin herself attended AIP conventions and addressed the AIP itself as a keynote speaker only makes this more worrisome.Ed Kalnins is a Christian pastor for the Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska, Palin's pastor whlle she was Mayor of Wasilla, and someone whom she continues to associate with and admire, based entirely on her own comments. This pastor asserted that those who disagree with their President or their Pastor are going to Hell. Kalnins exact words:"I hate criticisms towards the President . . . because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."I was all for McCain in 2000. He was pro-military and willing to spit in the eye of Chicken Hawks. That McCain is gone, replaced by a candidate who panders to the extreme right and disaffected left. But please, continue to attack me, rather than present a credible defense of Palin.

denak 6 years, 8 months ago

Speaking of God, Palin is a serious, practicing Christian, unlike some in the Democratic Party who have studied how to manipulate religious language and imagery to dupe some churchgoers into voting for Obama....."Is he serious???? The extreme right Republicans has done nothing but manipulate religious language and imagery to dupe people into voting for their candidates for the last 8 years.Maybe he is just mad that the Democrats are now taking a page from their (and his) book and turning the tables on them.Dena

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

"Palin and McCain are mavericks that are going to reduce corruption, pork barrel spending, and inefficiency in government."Then again, look at all the pork barrel that went to Wassilla. No, the backers who are falling for this are the horses -- and I'm not talking about the front end. Tom, who is this Messiah you keep speaking of? I didn't realize Jesus "H." Christ was running. But lets talk about which party is "hurting." The incumbent party doesn't invite the sitting President to actually attend their convention, rather they have him briefly appear on video on the first night. Of course, the world isn't buying it. Despite McCain's clear support of many of Bush's policies (war, economy), they now are trying to run on the platform of "change" by picking an underexperienced governor of a lightly populated region in their desperate attempt to strengthen the right-wing vote, but it is a truly misguided attempt to lure Clinton supporters.The current Republican party is one of failed decisions, failed views, failed policies. Vote Obama / Biden!

jumpin_catfish 6 years, 8 months ago

Libs seem a whole lot bothered by this lady, wonder why? I think we all know, she stands for something. That something the libs don't like. Pro-life, NRA, govt reform, church goers, this is America we can't have any of that.

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

i watched your video pywacket. all i can say is:oh my gosh, when will the horror cease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i don't know what's more amusing, governor Palin's address or that you are "chilled" by it.HAHAHAHAmy God, (oops, sorry pywacket I wouldn't want you to be "chilled"), if this is what the left is reduced to, you better get back to the issues before your petty dramas backfire against your candidate.McCain definitely knew what he was doing. this is entertaining as hell (sorry again pywacket) to watch.

Navin_R_Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says: "Tom, who is this Messiah you keep speaking of? I didn't realize Jesus "H." Christ was running."beatrice, if this has to be explained to you, you are already too deep into the kool-aid to be rescued.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 8 months ago

Here's the funniest news of the night. The McCain camp is reportedly threatening lawsuits against the National Enquirer for a story about Ms. Family Values and an affair with some businessman. Probably not true (you'd think she'd be smart enough not to go for VP with that in the closet) still the Enquirer has quite a track record for such matters.

Katara 6 years, 8 months ago

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beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

But Tom, Bush was talking from the White House. Everyone knows that Gustav has already passed. The Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the sitting president because he is -- well, the elephant in the room that the Republicans are trying to ignore. You know this to be true. Navin, you win the "Mention Kool-Aid!" Prize for today -- once again, it is a charming Bill O'Reilly bobblehead doll!!!!Why am I not surprised that she attended a sermon two weeks ago from Jews for Jesus where it was claimed that Isreal is attacked by terrorists because the don't believe in Jesus. Maybe the RNC can give Joe Lieberman a couple more minutes for a retraction of his support.I'm beginning to wonder if she is going to be on the ticket by the time the election rolls around.

Solutions101 6 years, 8 months ago

A strait-forward conservative article? The newspaper editor is going to be pissed when he gets back from his family vacation.

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