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Meteorologists can’t explain severity of tornado season

An American flag waves atop a home in ruins Tuesday in Parkersburg, Iowa. On Sunday, an extraordinarily powerful twister ripped apart Parkersburg, destroying 288 homes in the town of about 1,000 residents.

An American flag waves atop a home in ruins Tuesday in Parkersburg, Iowa. On Sunday, an extraordinarily powerful twister ripped apart Parkersburg, destroying 288 homes in the town of about 1,000 residents.

May 28, 2008

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— Another week, another rumbling train of tornadoes that obliterates entire city blocks, smashing homes to their foundations and killing people even as they cower in their basements.

With the year not even half done, 2008 is already the deadliest tornado year in the United States since 1998 and seems on track to break the U.S. record for the number of twisters in a year, according to the National Weather Service. Also, this year's storms seem to be unusually powerful.

But like someone who has lost all his worldly possessions to a whirlwind, meteorologists cannot explain exactly why this is happening.

"There are active years and we don't particularly understand why," said research meteorologist Harold Brooks at the National Severe Storms Lab in Norman, Okla.

Over the weekend, an extraordinarily powerful twister ripped apart Parkersburg, Iowa, destroying 288 homes in the town of about 1,000 residents, said Gov. Chet Culver. At least four people were killed there. Among the buildings destroyed were City Hall, the high school, and the lone grocery store and gas station. Some of those killed were in basements.

The brutal numbers for the U.S. so far this year: at least 110 dead, 30 killer tornadoes and a preliminary count of 1,191 twisters (which, after duplicate sightings are removed, is likely to go down to around 800). The record for the most tornadoes in a year is 1,817 in 2004. In the past 10 years, the average number of tornadoes has been 1,254.

"Right now we're on track to break all previous counts through the end of the year," said warning meteorologist Greg Carbin at the Storm Prediction Center, also in Norman.

And it's not just more storms. The strongest of those storms - those in the 136- to 200-mph range - have been more prevalent than normal, and lately they seem to be hitting populated areas more, he said. At least 22 tornadoes this year have been in the top part of the new Enhanced Fujita scale, rating a 3 (for "severe") or a 4 ("devastating") on the 1-to-5 scale.

The twister that devastated Parkersburg was a 5 - the first in the U.S. since a tornado nearly obliterated Greensburg, Kan., just over a year ago. The Parkersburg tornado was the strongest to hit Iowa in 32 years.

So far, more than 50 of the deaths this year have been in mobile homes, the wrong place to be during a tornado. They have been a factor in nearly half of all tornado fatalities in recent years.

And if that's not bad enough, computer models show that the conditions that make tornadoes ripe are going to stick around Tornado Alley for about another week, according to Brooks.

The nagging question is why.

Global warming cannot really explain what is happening, Carbin said. While higher temperatures could increase the number of thunderstorms, which are needed to trigger tornadoes, they also would tend to push the storm systems too far north to form some twisters, he said.

La Niña, the cooling of parts of the Central Pacific that is the flip side El Niño, was a factor in the increased activity earlier this year - especially in February, a record month for tornado activity - but it can't explain what is happening now, according to Carbin.

Carbin explained the most recent tornadoes with just one word: "May." May is typically the busiest tornado month of the year.

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gr 5 years, 9 months ago

"Hmmm, I was rather surprised by the headline that Meteorologists can't explain the severity of the tornado season. I would have certainly hoped for some conjecture."Good point!I would have certainly hoped for some conjecture for a near future time period as they seem to have plenty of conjecture for deciding there is global warming, what is causing it, what will happen in the distant future, and what can be done about it.

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Godot 5 years, 10 months ago

Or blame China, or the US, or any one of 40 countries that are attempting to control the weather:"China's plans to force Mother Nature's hand with "cloud seeding" and keep rains at bay during the start of the Olympic Games this August may be all wet, one scientist said today."I'm very skeptical about what they claim they can do," said Roelof Bruintjes, the lead researcher for U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., at an international symposium on weather modification held today in Westminster, Colo.Chinese officials will reportedly try to force the rain out of the clouds before the opening ceremony. They'll use a process called cloud seeding to clear the smog-filled skies and keep the rain from drenching the athletes and spectators. China has been investigating ways to control the weather for decades, and has invested $500,000 in cloud seeding technologies in the past five years, according to news reports.China isn't the only place that has attempted these control strategies; several drought-plagued western U.S. states have explored cloud seeding as a way to boost winter snow pack, an important water source. Wyoming launched an $8.8 million cloud-seeding project in 2005 with this aim.More than 40 countries are currently conducting over 150 projects, with more than 60 projects being run in United States alone, Bruintjes said......."For the entire article, go here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24260978/

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 10 months ago

Sig, congrats! I wouldn't have thought to seed that here.LOL

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Godot 5 years, 10 months ago

Blame it on Russia."MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian air force planes dropped a 25-kg (55-lb) sack of cement on a suburban Moscow home last week while seeding clouds to prevent rain from spoiling a holiday, Russian media said on Tuesday."A pack of cement used in creating ... good weather in the capital region ... failed to pulverize completely at high altitude and fell on the roof of a house, making a hole about 80-100 cm (2.5-3 ft)," police in Naro-Fominsk told agency RIA-Novosti.Ahead of major public holidays the Russian Air Force often dispatches up to 12 cargo planes carrying loads of silver iodide, liquid nitrogen and cement powder to seed clouds above Moscow and empty the skies of moisture.A spokesman for the Russian Air Force refused to comment.June 12 was Russia Day, a patriotic holiday celebrating the country's independence after the break-up of the Soviet Union.Weather specialists said the cement's failure to turn to powder was the first hiccup in 20 years.The homeowner was not injured, but refused an offer of 50,000 roubles ($2,100) from the air force, saying she would sue for damages and compensation for moral suffering, Interfax said."(Reporting by Chris Baldwin; Editing by Janet Lawrence)http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1760049120080617?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

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MagicalMindz 5 years, 10 months ago

Hmmm, I was rather surprised by the headline that Meteorologists can't explain the severity of the tornado season. I would have certainly hoped for some conjecture. I personally would suspect global climate change as at least part of the culprit because even minor changes in air temperature and CO2 levels can wreak enormous havoc. There are many variables involved with climate changes, particularly the effects upon ocean surface warming, consequent movements of the Jet Stream and Gulf Stream as well as measurable influences to our entire atmosphere and their associated boundaries such as the ascending Tropopause (where weather is formed). Ignoring any sensationalism, it certainly has been an eye opener to read a half dozen or so books on the subject of climate change by well qualified commentators. Paying close personal attention to Gaia and her temper tantrums is also remarkably revealing. For those of you who enjoy reading, probably the best book I have read so far on this subject is a well researched but very accessible tome by a fellow called Tim Flannery. The title is: The Weather Makers. Read it. It is astounding.

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screedposter 5 years, 10 months ago

Severe weather is exacerbated by the difference in temperatures between the equator and the poles. AGW will narrow this difference in temperatures, according to the "computer models." Yet we are led to believe that this will result in more severe weather, not less.Wow.

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gr 5 years, 10 months ago

"Equating ufo's to climate change is intellectually weak and dishonest and does not advance the discussion. "And equating a small fraction of of 0.03% of CO2 to "climate change" (not warming, but today being different from yesterday they say) is "intellectually weak and dishonest and does not advance the discussion"."On human-induced climate change: When the vast majority of people who know anything about something believe a certain way, with many proponents having been that way for decades, it isn't a conspiracy."Science by majority vote. Since when has the majority been right?Do you need a list of when the majority has been very wrong?"No one roll means anything." And neither does a small fraction of time. Hope you pay attention to your comment."What is it going to hurt if we start being responsible with our activities? I think we'll all be better off in the long run."Imagining we are affecting the warmth (or even more far fetched, saying there is no warming but we are affecting the weather) by contributing a small fraction to the 0.03% of CO2 while Mars has 95% CO2, does not imply any responsibility. Don't you think we should be more concerned with pollution where there is actual evidence of contributing problems to our enviroment rather than speculative imagining?And by the way, would you be invoking Pascal's Wager?

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"objective non-emotionally laden discussions as well as thoughtful consideration of opposing viewpoints"Those things require too much work, which is why they are in short supply. It is much easier to be intellectually and spiritually lazy.

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 10 months ago

Oh, and Gr, sorry about the misidentification. Just replace your name in that first post with bondmen's.

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bad_dog 5 years, 10 months ago

Redwood, although I concur with many of your observations above, I think you'll agree many of the posters on this or any other public forum are more interested in polemics than problem solving. I say black, they say white. Could it be gray? Could I be mistaken? Certainly, but we'll probably never know without objective non-emotionally laden discussions as well as thoughtful consideration of opposing viewpoints.Thanks though for trying to play nicely...

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 10 months ago

Gr, all I was saying is that people on these threads seem to equate 'global warming' with a simple increase in seasonal temperatures. When we look at what happened at the end of the Pleistocene (Ice Age for the layperson), when global warming was a fact, this just doesn't play out.I haven't outsourced my brain; I have just as much ability as you do to question scientific conclusions. It just seems that I may have a little deeper insight than you, and perhaps you felt like you needed to marginalize my free-thinking.I guess the thing that bugs me is that, as with many issues, there is a spectrum of views. I'm not a sky-is-falling person, nor am I a humans are blameless person. I fall somewhere in between. And as I said before, I don't think the evidence is there to fully reject the hypothesis that humans are affecting climate. My gut feeling is that we probably are, but we are still figuring out how that might be happening. I just get irritated when the naysayers stomp down climate change arguments, saying that they don't have enough evidence, when in fact, the naysayers themselves have no more evidence on their side. It is more about stomping down liberals and Gore advocates than it is about the core issue. What is it going to hurt if we start being responsible with our activities? I think we'll all be better off in the long run.

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bad_dog 5 years, 10 months ago

Sigmund:While it is true that correlation does not necessarily connote causation, the stronger the correlation coefficient statistic or "r" value, the more likely it is that X strongly influences Y, or even that Y is dependent upon X. An inverse relationship is also possible.A given correlation coefficient can have a value ranging trom -1.0 to 1.0. A perfect positive correlation is 1.0 and a perfect negative value is -1.0.OK-wake up class! The homework assignment for tomorrow is to plot all the earthquake/volcano/naturally created CO2 data on the X axis and man-made CO2 on the Y axis and formulate a null hypothesis regarding their respective effects on the weather. Then we'll dive into coefficients of determination and make the brave leap from correlation to prediction utilizing linear regression.My these are exciting times we live in aren't they ;-) Have a great day everyone!

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Chris Golledge 5 years, 10 months ago

Hmm, strap the barrel down above ground, where it is subject to debris flying at 100-200 mph? I don't think I'd trust my life to it.Sink the barrel in the ground, that would be safe from a lot, if it weren't filled with water or other crud.Seriously, there are lots of tornado resistant shelters available, but I doubt that too many people living in trailers could/would afford them.A friend of mine had such a room built in his house; it's like a vault; he keeps guns and other valuables locked in it.On human-induced climate change: When the vast majority of people who know anything about something believe a certain way, with many proponents having been that way for decades, it isn't a conspiracy. It would be nice if GR and others quit pretending it was.It's interesting that weather anomalies tend to bring up discussions of climate change. I heard it best on NPR a while back: Weather is like rolling dice; climate change is like loading the dice. No one roll means anything.

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"Tax incentives for bio-fuel that diverts scarce farmland and ground water from food to ethanol, embargoing sugar cane based ethanol from South America, restrictions on developing existing and exploring for new oil within the US, illegally denying new permits on building power plants that meet current EPA regulations."I support none of these policies as you describe them, although my perspective on some of them is probably different than yours. "possible consequences (intended or unintended) includes worldwide recession and increased third world starvation."You have yet to identify causation for any of these. It seems that you have fallen into the same trap that you criticize GW alarmists for having fallen into.

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Lindsey Buscher 5 years, 10 months ago

RedwoodCoast-that was one of the best posts i've read on these boards. sorry, gr, no one was attacking you so there was no purpose to your response...kind of like the rest of your posts.

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Paul Decelles 5 years, 10 months ago

KUweatherman:You wrote:"I always love how the obvious is never talked about; there are more people here today than there were in the past which means our cities are spreading out. So who is to say that the amount of tornadoes is actually increasing rather than we're just simply getting in their way now with the larger population:"Well actually people do talk about this:http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/severeweather/tornadoes.htmlBy the way this year reminds me a lot of 1973. Also the data do not support a link between global warming and tornadoes.

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

Equating ufo's to climate change is intellectually weak and dishonest and does not advance the discussion. Skepticism within the bounds of inquiry is encouraged. Knee-jerk paranoia is not. You can do better.

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gr 5 years, 10 months ago

RedwoodCoast: "Gr, you invoke the Ice Age,"Actually, bondmen did."This means that winters were not as cold and summers were not as hot."So, are you trying to say that there is no global warming, that the weather patterns are just different?"and summers that are hotter than in the Ice Age."Well, duh! How profound!"It just bugs me that the motivations of folks like you seem to be more politically-driven than anything else."Think it bugs anyone else that folks like you see the weather is different from day to day and then go around with their beak up in the air yelling the sky is falling?Just because you outsourced your brain to politically-driven so called "experts" doesn't mean speculative conjectures with no observable evidences are fact.==========acoupstick: "Just because we have yet to prove causation doesn't mean we should ignore the correlation between human pollution and climate change."Just because we have yet to prove a causation doesn't mean we should ignore the correlation of increased ufo reportings (or insert any number of meaningless things here) and climate change.

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standuporget 5 years, 10 months ago

Beatrice finally says something sensible and funny as hell and someone dogs her.

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Sigmund 5 years, 10 months ago

acoupstick (Anonymous) says: "What am I wrong about? Did I advocate implementing any policy in this thread? Please don't jump to conclusions."Agreed, if your point is that correlation is not causation and that shifting definitions of "pollution" and of "changing climate" is no basis for any legislative action whatsoever. acoupstick (Anonymous) says: "To which radical policies are you referring? Are you sure worlwide recession and increased third world starvation would be effects? Or is this your "article of faith?""Tax incentives for bio-fuel that diverts scarce farmland and ground water from food to ethanol, embargoing sugar cane based ethanol from South America, restrictions on developing existing and exploring for new oil within the US, illegally denying new permits on building power plants that meet current EPA regulations. That kind of stuff.

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"Sorry but you are wrong, If you aren't sure of causation how can you possibly implement policy?"What am I wrong about? Did I advocate implementing any policy in this thread? Please don't jump to conclusions. "no rational society should implement such radical policies where the possible consequences (intended or unintended) includes worldwide recession and increased third world starvation."To which radical policies are you referring? Are you sure worlwide recession and increased third world starvation would be effects? Or is this your "article of faith?"

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road_Runner 5 years, 10 months ago

"KUweatherman (Curtis Lange) says:I always love how the obvious is never talked about; there are more people here today than there were in the past which means our cities are spreading out. So who is to say that the amount of tornadoes is actually increasing rather than we're just simply getting in their way now with the larger population:"Very well thought out and I agree 100%. Also, thanks to modern day technology, we now have the ability to report and record tornado touchdowns at a significantly higher rate which directly correlates to an increase in tornado reports overall as well.It should be noted that tornadoes are such a microscale feature in terms of meteorology. Tornadogenesis (the formation of tornadoes) is still not understood, even today. To state that an increase of tornadoes is due to an increase in global temperature is invalid here due to the fact that the actual formation of a tornado is on such an extremely small scale within the much larger synoptic (weather) system. Plus, think in terms of energy. The greater the difference there is between two air masses (warm vs cold) the more potential energy is available for the atmosphere to tap in. Typically, when there are severe weather outbreaks, you have cold air masses in place within certain parts of the atmosphere.

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Sigmund 5 years, 10 months ago

acoupstick (Anonymous) says: "Just because we have yet to prove causation doesn't mean we should ignore the correlation between human pollution and climate change."Sorry but you are wrong, If you aren't sure of causation how can you possibly implement policy? Truth is the climate has almost never been "average" and has swung from "warmer-than-normal" to "cooler-than-normal" all throughout history. How many families with 2.5 kids have you ever seen?We used to understand that, year-to-year and decade-to-decade, things changed, but It is only recently that humans have been determined not to be a part of nature and therefore any impact of human activity is now deemed "unnatural" and "harmful." Further, the Ecomentalist were wrong predicting a Neo-Ice Age decades ago, were wrong about failing crops and lower temperatures when Sadam set all of his oil wells on fire in the First Gulf War, and will likely be wrong again predicting Global Warming. If you can't predict the effect how can you confidently postulate the cause or any rational policies? While man caused global warming/cooling (take your pick) may be an article of faith for you, George W. Bush, and Juan McCain, without more evidence of causation and evidence that the changes are on balance harmful, no rational society should implement such radical policies where the possible consequences (intended or unintended) includes worldwide recession and increased third world starvation.

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Curtis Lange 5 years, 10 months ago

I always love how the obvious is never talked about; there are more people here today than there were in the past which means our cities are spreading out. So who is to say that the amount of tornadoes is actually increasing rather than we're just simply getting in their way now with the larger population...Also, humans are trying to give themselves too much credit regarding climate change. IMO, our impact is minimal. The Earth is going to do what it does regardless of what we do.

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Paul Decelles 5 years, 10 months ago

Yeti,You claim:"Earthquakes release more carbon into the atmosphere than any man-made source."Do you have a reference to back this claim up? I have seen it made elsewhere-and while earthquake activity does lead to a release of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases I have not seen any attempts to estimate this contribution.Further, since earthquakes don't seem to be increasing in frequency then it would be very difficult to explain the regular increase in carbon dioxide concentration since the mid 19th century by either earthquake or volcanic activity.That these may be important carbon dioxide sources is clear- but they do not explain current trends in carbon dioxide concentrations.By the way there are estimates for the contributions of volcanic activity:See:http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15.htmlBeyond that I agree that one can't ascribe the severity of the tornado season to climate change.

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"Just do not tell me that human pollution is causing more tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, famine, etc., because this is simply not established in scientific fact."Just because we have yet to prove CAUSATION doesn't mean we should ignore the CORRELATION between human pollution and climate change. Most media present an incomplete picture of scientific thought and how science works. It helps feed paranoid hysteria on one side and paranoid hyperskepticism on the other.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 10 months ago

Boy, for a town in which religion is regarded as superstition and anathema, there is sure a lot of talk about "Karma", "Mayan Predictions" and other superstitions.More of the diversity of Lawrence, I guess.

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Bossa_Nova 5 years, 10 months ago

the news media is just one big propaganda machine, they lie to us about everything, especially the meteorologist!

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NEWSFLASH_MAN_BITES_DOG 5 years, 10 months ago

Funny Beatrice, I just was out of the loop on the Sharon Stone comment(s)........is she still alive?

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NEWSFLASH_MAN_BITES_DOG 5 years, 10 months ago

"It probably missed the joke because it was too busy trying to string together another new username to re-register with:" LJW speech cop/insider----Agnostick It's easy Ag, just talk to one of the guys and take care of it. I know who you all are----big deal.

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beatrice 5 years, 10 months ago

Funny, I never knew I was passive with my aggression. I'll try harder to be directly aggressive from here on. Let it be known, however, that I repudiate the statements of Ms. Stone. But let me also be clear, Sharon Stone was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend her church for twenty years. I have denounced statements she made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today.

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50YearResident 5 years, 10 months ago

We are comming up to December 23, 2012, so the weather is only going to get worse from now on.

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Agnostick 5 years, 10 months ago

Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says:newsflash_man_bites_dog (Anonymous) says:Maybe stop with the passive-aggressive, Beatrice. Do you have something you want to say? Or did I miss the joke?***Yes, you missed the joke. Current Events..Sharon Stone has publicly surmised that the earthquake in China is karma for the mistreatment of Tibet._______It probably missed the joke because it was too busy trying to string together another new username to re-register with...Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.uscentrist.orghttp://www.americanplan.org

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TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 10 months ago

"Yes, but lets not understate or underestimate the power of our influence." Well, there's the rub, eh? There is absolutely no way to quantify our influence on the climate. But, I can tell you this: The number one distributor of carbon into Earth's atmosphere is Earth itself. Earthquakes release more carbon into the atmosphere than any man-made source. Do I think we should lower emissions? Certainly. Just do not tell me that human pollution is causing more tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, famine, etc., because this is simply not established in scientific fact.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 10 months ago

What weather site gives the sh__ forecast?It's falling from the sky here.}8~[

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JerryStubbs 5 years, 10 months ago

I'm enjoying the humourous comments on the steel drums. It is just wishful thinking, then, you don't think they would be of any help? I know people with fatalistic type attitudes that figure they will just get in a closet and probably be OK.I think a steel drum might be better than a table, or something like that. We're heading towards a record year for tornado fatalities, and I read some people were found dead in their basements.

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autie 5 years, 10 months ago

Well Multi, I hope there is a barrel for the dog and one for the cat..then it will be rhythm and harmony.

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Harderfaster 5 years, 10 months ago

I hope those dopey Meteorologists are using this thread as a resource to explain twisters.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 10 months ago

oh no..just got a image of a family of 5, each being in their own barrel in basement. Tornado comes, first floor decking ends up trapping people in barrels.They beat on barrels to signal rescuers.Rescuers are confused, not being aware of any steel drum bands in the area.Thinking "I must be getting PTSD from the rescue work, I swear I just heard a Jamaican Band!"

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"Climate change is, was, and has always been happening:regardless of human influence."Yes, but lets not understate or underestimate the power of our influence.

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autie 5 years, 10 months ago

That shelter made from a 55 gallon drum..great idea provided that, A, you will fit in the drum. and B, you don't mind being smashed like a grape in a beer can. and 3, you couldn't be very big to fit in a 55 gallon barrel. Just remember it is not that the wind is blowing, it is what the wind is blowing.

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 10 months ago

Gr, you invoke the Ice Age, but perhaps you don't understand some crucial things about the Ice Age. You see, as the last Ice Age waned from about 14,000 to 10,000 years ago, the climate did, obviously, become warmer overall. However, during the Ice Age, although the climate was cooler overall, seasonal extremes were not as great. This means that winters were not as cold and summers were not as hot. One characteristic pattern of the current period, the Holocene, is that we have a climate that is warmer overall, yet we also have winters that are colder and summers that are hotter than in the Ice Age. So you see, regardless of whether or not you call it global warming or climate change, the actual changes in climate might not follow a simple trend toward warmer seasons.By this, I am not advocating a particular point of view, but I think maybe you misused the Ice Age in you arguments. Personally, I think that we cannot rule out the possibility that we are affecting climate. It just bugs me that the motivations of folks like you seem to be more politically-driven than anything else.

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TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 10 months ago

"climate change is most certainly happening...." Wow, thats a hard-hitting prediction. Climate change is, was, and has always been happening...regardless of human influence.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 10 months ago

NEWSFLASH_MAN_BITES_DOG (Anonymous) says: Maybe stop with the passive-aggressive, Beatrice. Do you have something you want to say? Or did I miss the joke?***Yes, you missed the joke. Current Events..Sharon Stone has publicly surmised that the earthquake in China is karma for the mistreatment of Tibet.

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Boston_Corbett 5 years, 10 months ago

"Meteorologists can't explain severity of tornado season">>>>>>>>A: it stems from an increased frequency of damaging tornados.

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

Localized "climate change" is one possible outcome of "global warming." The term "climate change" has worked its way into pop culture and is a result of the realization that a rise in average global temp does not necessarily correspond to rise in local temp. In fact some localities may be cooler on average due to increased ave. global temp.

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gr 5 years, 10 months ago

"climate change is the correct term - not global warming."Wow - Cool speaks more than just endless links of youtubes.Could you humor us as to why do you suppose "climate change" is NOW the correct term?

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KU_Dude 5 years, 10 months ago

I blame Cool and all of the hot air he has blown about the Oread Inn being bad for Lawrence.

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NEWSFLASH_MAN_BITES_DOG 5 years, 10 months ago

Maybe stop with the passive-aggressive, Beatrice. Do you have something you want to say? Or did I miss the joke?I'm surprised to see, even glad to see, that you may actually believe in God. How do we explain California? Louisiana? Florida? China? Myanmar? Phuket?

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acoupstick 5 years, 10 months ago

"What about a small simple, impromptu shelter. I wonder if you could secure one or more 55gallon steel drums to the slab somehow and stay safe from flying debris in it."How about a lead-lined old refrigerator? That way you'll be safe in the case of a nuclear blast as well!

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beatrice 5 years, 10 months ago

God hates the Midwest, pure and simple. If you don't believe me, just ask Sharon Stone.

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NEWSFLASH_MAN_BITES_DOG 5 years, 10 months ago

"Global warming cannot really explain what is happening, Carbin said."All good carbon emissions fearing Church of Global Warming cult members, it's heavenly message and more than anything, it's supreme and wisdomful leader, Albert Gore, Jr. have been blasphemed!!Outrage!!

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 10 months ago

JerryStubbs (Anonymous) says:"What about a small simple, impromptu shelter. I wonder if you could secure one or more 55gallon steel drums to the slab somehow and stay safe from flying debris in it."Marion writes:Uh, no but thanks for the thought!

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Confrontation 5 years, 10 months ago

I'm guessing that it's happening because Missouri sucks and K-State blows. Beware all who are in between!

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JerryStubbs 5 years, 10 months ago

I have no real idea why, but what can we do about it?I have friends and relatives that live in houses without basements, they need some kind of shelter.I know there are companies that have 'safe rooms', metal storm shelters, etc, but these are expensive and hard to get people on a budget to commit to when there is no guarantee they will ever really need them.What about a small simple, impromptu shelter. I wonder if you could secure one or more 55gallon steel drums to the slab somehow and stay safe from flying debris in it.Even people in trailer parks might be able to use these.

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Harderfaster 5 years, 10 months ago

I am just glad that they spin from left to right and not right to left.

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bondmen 5 years, 10 months ago

What about the ice age past and the subsequent warming - all prior to man's (and woman's) great numbers and industrialization?The Great Global Warming Swindlewww.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

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cool 5 years, 10 months ago

climate change is the correct term - not global warming.read Tim Flannery, the Weathermakers.climate change is most certainly happening and with about 8 billion humans more than prior to 1800 it should be no surprise that we have an effect on the weather.

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gr 5 years, 10 months ago

You say flat earthers believe without rational reasons.Global warmers believe without rational reasons.Who are the loony ones?

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 10 months ago

TOB; yes, someone should indeed ask Manbearpig!

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bondmen 5 years, 10 months ago

I'd like to see the foreheads of all those who are always ready to charge others with believing in a flat earth!http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods46.html

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staff04 5 years, 10 months ago

Well, I guess that concludes it. It couldn't POSSIBLY be global warming because global warming is a myth, right?I love how the flat earth society is the first to come on here and immediately say that it isn't a possibility.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 10 months ago

I bet Al Gore has an opinion on this. Oh wait, we won't hear from him. He's been in hiding the past several months.

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gr 5 years, 10 months ago

No one talks about the cherry blossoms this year or how cold and late it was most everywhere else. Nor how last year's hurricane predictions didn't happen. You can't take one year, they say. But, just wait, they'll be saying how we must reduce CO2 more as it's causing more tornadoes. Even if the concentration is only 0.03% (For those who don't think, that's 1/100 of 3%). Mars has 95% although it is further away from the sun. But the sun doesn't really affect a planet's temperature, we're told. If 0.03% has a big affect, then 95% should be overwhelming and result in a very hot planet.Maybe a better explanation is:Weather happens.

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trinity 5 years, 10 months ago

one word-armageddon. just joshin', i really have no clue. but the seeming increase in severe weather is sort of strange/scary/different.

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bondmen 5 years, 10 months ago

How about the regular go to excuses like "global warming" and "it's Bush's fault"! Come on, where's their regular weather forecasting ingenuity and originality in seeking such an explanation?

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