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Polls: Obama’s appeal to working-class whites faltering

May 4, 2008

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— Barack Obama's problem winning votes from working-class whites is showing no sign of going away, and their impression of him is getting worse.

Those are ominous signals as he hopes for strong performances in the coming week in Indiana and North Carolina primaries that would derail the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination. Those contests come as his candidacy has been rocked by renewed attention to his volatile former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and by his defeat in last month's Pennsylvania primary.

In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll in April, 53 percent of whites who have not completed college viewed Obama unfavorably, up a dozen percentage points from November. During that period, the numbers viewing Clinton and Republican candidate John McCain negatively have stayed about even.

The April poll - conducted before the Pennsylvania contest - also showed an overwhelming preference for Clinton over Obama among working-class whites. They favored her over him by 39 percentage points, compared to a 10-point Obama lead among white college graduates. Obama also did worse than Clinton among those less-educated voters when matched up against Republican candidate John McCain.

"It's the stuff about his preacher ... and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion," Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. "I don't think he'd be a really good leader."

Just before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama said many small-town residents are bitter about their lives and turn for solace to religion and guns.

Recent voting patterns underscore Obama's continued poor performance with these voters, who are often pivotal in general election swing states like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

In Democratic primaries held on or before Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, whites who have not finished college favored the New York senator by a cumulative 59 percent to 32 percent, according to exit polls of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.

In primaries since Feb. 5, that group has favored Clinton by 64 percent to 34 percent. That includes Ohio and Pennsylvania, in which working-class whites have favored Clinton by 44 and 41 percentage points respectively.

The AP-Yahoo poll shows less educated whites present a problem to Obama in part because of who they are. Besides being poorer, they tend to be older than white college graduates - and Clinton has done strongly with older white voters.

Yet political professionals and analysts say more is at play. They blame Obama's problems with blue-collar whites on their greater reluctance to embrace his bid to become the first black president, and his failure to address their concerns about job losses and the battered economy specifically enough.

Terry Madonna, a political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said Obama lost among working-class whites in the state because his message of how this generation's time has come did not address their economic needs.

"While it's incredibly motivating and passionate and compelling, it lacks content," Madonna said. "Hillary would come in and relate to them, talk about the specifics of her policy."

Pennsylvania also illustrated the problems racial attitudes among less educated whites are causing Obama.

In exit polls, one in five of the state's white voters who haven't completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Looks like Wright isn't so wrong in describing the US as still plagued by racism."Just as a point of curiosity, why is it that it's okay to talk about Obama's support among black voters, and about how he's expected to win states with a large number of black voters, but when white people consider race to be "a factor," then it's racism?

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Since Barack Hussein Obama has disowned the Black community, who's left in his camp except the arugula-munching latte-sippers?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"In exit polls, one in five of the state's white voters who haven't completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November."Looks like Wright isn't so wrong in describing the US as still plagued by racism.

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labmonkey 6 years, 4 months ago

I cannot wait to see McCain take either one of the Democrats in a debate. It will be nice to have an intelligent and quick-witted person running for the Republicans (or either party for that matter) this time.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

Godot-- As Bill Moyers said, "Beware the simplifiers." You are a simplifier.

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bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

and regarding elitist o'bama and illegal aliens:he says plainly he wants to give drivers' licenses to illegals.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

So is a woman who votes for Hillary a sexist?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"Great, just what we need-bitter, racist working class."We really have no use for you at all, RT.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"Just as a point of curiosity, why is it that it's okay to talk about Obama's support among black voters, and about how he's expected to win states with a large number of black voters, but when white people consider race to be "a factor," then it's racism?"Well, let's do the count-- percentage of white presidents since Washington-- 100%. Percentage of black presidents-- 0%. Degree of racism involved in that result-- extremely high.Figure it out for yourself. It's not rocket science, so even you can do it if you'll allow yourself to suspend your white-centric ideology for a moment or two.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

So now Obama is planning pogroms and concentrations camps. We're all so glad that you tipped us off, malcom.

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bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

right on Nota! also, boozo makes much of the people citing race, but that number is one in five fgs. and that is in that particular demographic, so boozo is playing the usual far left fringie tact of hate america first, only focus on what's wrong with america. note that by the inverse of this, we're doing pretty good on race given our history. further, blacks hold and have held very important positions in our government, supreme court justice, secretary of state, etc. unfortunately, some of the slant of this article still falls into the: if you oppose barry h. o'bama, you must be a racist! Just before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama said many small-town residents are bitter about their lives and turn for solace to religion and guns.--A.P. trying to help O'bama, softsells the actual bitter reference. it was spoken by o'bama to a room full of san francisco elitist liberals, and stated that we small town americans, like here in kansas for example, are bitter, and we "cling" to our faith and our guns and antipathy to those not like us as a result. I oppose illegal immigration not out of bitterness, but because I am angry at decades worth of lawbreaking, and a human invasion that costs us many hundreds of billions of dollars, makes e.r.'s scarcer, overloads schools and social services, and puts disproportionately high numbers of illegals into jails and prisons. I am insulted that some elitist thinks I "cling" to my faith out of bitterness, shows he has no grasp of what real faith means, and its place in one's life.
finally, if you look at my posts of the past month, I've been recounting barry h. o'bama's slippage caused by "bittergate" and his questional judgment and character because of his associations (including pastor wright).

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"How about if you don't vote for Obama because you think that he is a socialist?"Given that he isn't a socialist, I'd be prone to look for the real reason.

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

cool, I hope you know that no one clicks on your youtube links...

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

Bozo sinks to new lows, exceprting only a portion of a sentence to create an implication of an argument that he thinks defends his demented point of view, This is remarkably similar to the tactics of Moveon.org.

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

To translate Bozonian (the language of the Bozos), "Simplifiers" are those who make sense. Simplifiers are anathema to Bozonians.

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TopJayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Bozo. And you have the nerve to quote Bill Moyers?.. Now that scares the crap out of me. Talk about someone who really is not of this planet.

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TopJayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

And another thing.. If College graduates are in favor of the Obamanation, what does that say about our college graduates? That scares the hell out of me.

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Poon 6 years, 4 months ago

If you do not support Barack Obama for President, then you are anti African-American.If you do not like Supreme Court Justice Scalia then you are anti Italian-American.Poon likes this thread - this is fun!

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TopJayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Bozo, read Leonard Pitt's article in this very edition of the paper. Or is he a racist too?

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow, bozo, you're a socialist and a rascist. Congratulations, it's usually difficult to be both.

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monkeyhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Racist or sexist? Pick your poison, according to boozo.No wonder the dems are in a quandary.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says: "he says plainly he wants to give drivers' licenses to illegals."I don't have a problem with that, I'm not heartless - I don't want them to have to walk all the way home! ;)

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bunnyhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

or could it just be that the media are the GOP's lap dogs.......and making Obama's race an issue when it really isn't one with the voters!!!!!and voters are responding to the tv idiots' constant railing about race!!!!!!!!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

Marion, I think it was Professor Plum in the Parlor with the Candlestick.

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

What is so ironic is that Obama is mired in relationships with the old hippies, the old black power establishment; he is the 21st century representative of the 1960's anti-establishment movement, outfitted in new clothes.Obama embodies the dreams and views of the losers of the 60's.

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

Lets not even get into the details of the fact that the Democrat presidents waged World War I, World War II, the Korean war, and the Viet Nam conflict.. That would make Bozo's statements seem absurd, perhaps, even, out of touch with reality.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"Obama will redistribute wealth, will slash the military, will destroy corporate America"Oh the horror!! Why can't he just stick to good ole, American, Republican values, like unbridled greed, mass murder and pillage?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"And by the way, bozo, as usual you try to divert attention from the question you can't answer."I answered it. You just don't like the answer."What is so ironic is that Obama is mired"Beware the simplifiers!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

For some, I guess it really is rocket science.

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temperance 6 years, 4 months ago

It's hilarious that conservative Republicans are lecturing anyone on race. This is a party with 247 white senators in 2008 that's not a demographic accident. This is from the party of the "Southern strategy." You're all keen to vote for McCain now, but 8 years ago many jumped from the McCain campaign after Rove propagated a smear that McCain had an illegitimate black baby. Party of Lincoln my eye. Fix your own apartheid and racial dysfunction and then I won't laugh so hard when you lecture Democrats about things racial.Shorter TopyJayhawk: ". . . and another thing . . . wait I'm not done, must post again . . . Bill Moyers? Isn't he a communist agent?""Maybe Wright isn't so right after all." Oh. Snap.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

The most interesting thing about this whole "Wright" affair is that all those racists who would never have voted for Obama anyway, have to fully out themselves as racists.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't deny for a second that Democrats have also succumbed to warmongering. But of the three last major candidates remaining, I'm the most confident that Obama would be the least likely to engage in it if elected.

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BigPrune 6 years, 4 months ago

If the actions in the crowd at his rallies didn't resemble German crowds during Hitler's reign so much, he might have a fighting chance.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

And by the way, bozo, as usual you try to divert attention from the question you can't answer. Why is it okay for black voters to support Obama for no other reason than that he's black, but "racist" when some white voters say race is "an issue?" If you're going to say that only a black candidate can understand and address the issues of the black community, then why would it be wrong for white voters to espouse the same principle? I never said, incidentally, that either was alright or acceptable, only that you can't say it's okay for black voters (or hispanic voters or asian voters) to prefer a candidate of their race but it's NOT okay for white voters to do likewise. Rocket science? bozo, I seriously doubt you could successfully launch a bottle rocket.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

BTW, that website marioni's plugging is part of his own stinking pit of a 'forum'.Stillhavingawonderfulun-outedinternetlife.proxify dot com can be your friend

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

Notice how the Obamamanians/bozonians are adopting the language characteristics of the end-timers? (Beware the Simplifiers). Funny how, in times of stress, how even the so-called educated elite will devolve into idolotry, symbolism and superstition.

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monkeyhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Please stop attacking the boozo. He has a point. His point is that all the things cited by Godot, Marion, TJ, notaj, ks778, et. al. are NON issues. (Note how when anything detrimental arises involving their candidates or policies, they blow it off with that non-issue thing...then try to divert to something totally irrelevant ) Maybe boozo should throw himself behind the female. Barry really has little chance of winning the presidency now that we see his true colors. I was going to vote for him myself before he was exposed. I wonder what Hill & Bill have in store for the unenlightened next? This is fun.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Well, Marion, that does appear to be what nazi_on_the_bus is saying. But remember, while you can't avoid being rascist, as long as you pick the candidate he chooses, then it's an acceptable (even noble) form of racism. Kind of an affirmative action program for the executive branch.When one considers that Obama is the only candidate among the Democrats who isn't insisting on mandatory universal healthcare coverage, bozo's banner issue du jour, it's pretty interesting he'd have the clown's support. But then, maybe there's some reason besides the issues that causes our little bus-riding nazi to prefer Obama?

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temperance 6 years, 4 months ago

". . . Obama will redistribute wealth."Fabulous! You gave me another reason to vote for him.

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

After listening to all 31 minutes of Obama's speech tonight, I realize that his promise of change includes changing, even possibly ending, the Democrat party.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

I guess I could have quoted your entire post, but my response would have been the same--Beware the Simplifiers!!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"they had broad mass appeal and leaned heavily on propagandatrickery if you will."Exactly what propaganda/trickery are you referring to. Are you insinuating that Obama just might, for instance, lie to the American people in order to launch a needless and illegal war?

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Godot 6 years, 4 months ago

After listening to all 31 minutes of Obama's speech tonight, I realize that his mantra of change is not just aimed at Republicans, but at Democrats, as well. Now I am wondering how Obama's new party will be known? I think it will be called "MoveOn." He cojoles us to move on past his shady dealings with Rezko, to move on past his association with known Weatherman terrorists, to move on past his association with the Nation of Islam, to move on by his 20 year relationship with a pastor who used his pulpit to preach a doctrine of black separatism and vengeance against the white establishment, to move on past the evidence that Obama has no experience in leading or accomplishing anything on his own. It is possible that if the Democrats nominate Obama, it will be the end of their party, as they know it and hold it dear.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

Marion;True, even though Obama isn't trying to push universal healthcare down our throats, he is big on redistribution of wealth, and that is even more attractive to our socialist nazi_on_the_bus."Also, I have found that merely discussing "racism" on this forum is sufficent to get one tagged as a "racist""And again, this is true only to a point - kindly remember that it's perfectly okay to discuss the right kind of racism.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

"I "work" for a living and Princeobama scares the crap out of me!"That you actually believe this statement scares the crap out of me.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

bozo rants:"I answered it. You just don't like the answer."Oh, right - there's never been a black president so it's okay for blacks to be racist, like bozo. Perpetuating the "us against them" attitude is the way to solve racial differences. What a freakin' moron.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 4 months ago

" Perpetuating the "us against them" attitude is the way to solve racial differences. "Yes, and that's exactly what you want, isn't it, notajayhawk, but definitely a racist.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

just_another_nazi_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "So now Obama is planning pogroms and concentrations camps. We're all so glad that you tipped us off, malcom."Not Obama, nazi_on_the_bus.You.******Marion (Marion Lynn) says: "Now lemme get this straight:::::.."Come on, Marion, what he said was it's okay to be racist if it's a black voting for Obama, it's only a bad thing if you're a white person voting for a white candidate. There's a difference. Just ask nazi_on_the_bus.

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kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

bozo....buddy, seriously, you are the most racist person I've ever encountered who doesn't even know he is.

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notajayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Yes, and that's exactly what you want, isn't it, notajayhawk, but definitely a racist."Except it's YOU that's advocating racism, bozo. You're the absolutely worst kind of bigot. kansas778 is almost right, but you DO know what you are, and that's what makes you so despicable. You think YOUR brand of racism is justified.You make a perfect nazi, bozo: A socialist and a racist.

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TopJayhawk 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't want to hear about the race card. like was stated above he is his own worst enemy.. Everytime he opens his mouth it is an Obamanation. The latest is his praise of the young minister taking Wright's place. Ecxept now it has come to light that the new pastor has a rap song out that apparently has for it's main theme "F-bomb" the United States. Maybe Wright isn't so right after all. Maybe Americans can see through the hypocrisy by him, his minister and his church... Give me a black candidate without all of the smoke, and we'll talk. I also heard all of the G.D. America "sermon" if you can call if that, and it was NOT taken out of context. Don't patronize me folks, I ain't that stupid. It is what it is.

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