Advertisement

Archive for Wednesday, June 18, 2008

Lawrence moves to annex land near Lecompton

Audience members turn their attention to Lawrence resident Elizabeth Hatchett as she offers her opposition to a requested annexation of rural property along the Farmers Turnpike for industrial development. Hatchett spoke at Tuesday's City Commission meeting at City Hall.

Audience members turn their attention to Lawrence resident Elizabeth Hatchett as she offers her opposition to a requested annexation of rural property along the Farmers Turnpike for industrial development. Hatchett spoke at Tuesday's City Commission meeting at City Hall.

June 18, 2008

Advertisement

Annexation cause of concern

A new industrial park northwest of Lawrence is at the center of controversy. 6News reporter Jesse Fray is live in the News Center to explain concerns coming from nearby neighbors. Enlarge video

City commissioners are being asked by developers to annex about 155 acres just north of the Lecompton interchange on the Kansas Turnpike. This view is taken looking south toward the Lecompton interchange from North 1850 Road just west of East 900 Road.

City commissioners are being asked by developers to annex about 155 acres just north of the Lecompton interchange on the Kansas Turnpike. This view is taken looking south toward the Lecompton interchange from North 1850 Road just west of East 900 Road.

City commissioners moved ahead on plans for a new industrial park near the Lecompton interchange on the Kansas Turnpike, saying it was a key piece of ground to attracting new jobs to the city.

"I care about this land," Mayor Mike Dever told a full City Commission room. "But sometimes you have to give up something to gain something. To gain a reputation where we can be a place where jobs can grow and develop, we have to have locations to offer."

On a 4-1 vote, commissioners gave preliminary approval to annexing approximately 155 acres of property just north of the Lecompton interchange on Interstate 70.

Commissioners heard more than an hour's worth of public comment from both opponents and supporters of the annexation, which is the first step in turning the property into a business park.

Opponents - which included a neighborhood group near the site - argued that the city was opening itself up to a costly extension of city water and sewer service to the site, which is about 1.5 miles outside the city limits.

"I think under the city's financial circumstances, it is ludicrous to expend such funds," said Ron Schneider, a Lawrence attorney who is representing the neighborhood group.

But the development group - which includes Lawrence businessmen Duane and Steve Schwada - assured the city that they were not asking for an extension of water and sewer service to the site. Commissioners also were told by City Manager David Corliss that the city could require the developers to pay for the extension of water and sewer service to the site when it becomes necessary.

"No public money is being asked for and none is being granted," City Commissioner Rob Chestnut said. "That is the understanding I'm moving forward with."

The neighborhood group, though, is fighting the annexation on a separate front as well. Schneider said he will file a lawsuit in Douglas County District Court today contending that Douglas County commissioners erred earlier this year when it found the island annexation did not impede the growth of any other city in the county.

City Commissioner Boog Highberger was the lone commissioner to vote against the annexation. He said the request was premature, in part, because an area plan had not yet been completed for the property. Highberger also said he believed the developers were trying to circumvent the development process by bringing the annexation request to the city.

In 2004, the group had tried to obtain industrial zoning from the county commission but failed to win unanimous approval from the county commission. The issue needed unanimous approval from the County Commission because residents filed a protest petition. Earlier this year, a similar request was filed with the county but it has been on hold after it appeared the project may lack the necessary votes at the County Commission.

City commissioners on Tuesday did agree to place specific wording in the annexation ordinance making it clear that the city wouldn't be obligated to extend city water and sewer service to the site.

Developers have said they believe they can find users for the site - such as a distribution center or warehouse - that would not need city water and sewer service. The developers also have said they're prepared to have an on-site water storage system to accommodate a fire sprinkler system.

Comments

none2 5 years, 10 months ago

Something just seems fishy about this whole thing. If they don't want anything from the city, then why do they need annexation? If they just have to be annexed, why didn't they try Lecompton? Would they still go for annexation, if a stipulation in writing was added that NO city services would be provided the area for the next 100 years? As to being prime area for development because it is near a turnpike exit, the same could be said about the North Lawrence exit.

0

max1 5 years, 10 months ago

"If the Farmland site is contaminated, what prospective developer would want to buy it . .?" -commuterJune 13, 2006http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jun/13/former_farmland_industries_site_has_interested_buy/A private company is preparing to make an offer to purchase the vacant and environmentally-troubled Farmland Industries plant east of Lawrence.Members of TRC Companies Inc. - a national consulting firm that specializes in cleaning up environmentally-blighted properties - confirmed this morning they are close to making an offer to purchase the 467-acre former fertilizer plant along Kansas Highway 10 near the East Hills Business Park.June 15, 2006http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jun/15/2nd_firm_interested_farmland/A second company says it wants to buy the dormant and polluted Farmland Industries fertilizer plant east of Lawrence, and there still may be others waiting in the wings.Leaders with St. Louis-based Environmental Liability Transfer Inc. said Wednesday they were interested in turning the site into a mixed used development that would include multifamily residential units, retail and an industrial park.And they don't plan on letting the 467-acre site - just west of the East Hills Business Park - go without a fight. . . "We'll be happy to go toe-to-toe at an auction," said Randy Jostes, president and chief executive officer of the privately owned company that specializes in cleaning up and redeveloping environmentally troubled properties.The interest from Environmental Liability Transfer comes one day after TRC Companies Inc., a Connecticut-based company that specializes in cleaning up sites, said it was planning to make a formal offer for the property.June 18, 2006http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jun/18/farmland_future/It's good news that a couple of private firms are showing an interest in buying and rehabilitating the property occupied by the former Farmland Industries fertilizer plant east of Lawrence.The 467-acre site, which is part of the Farmland bankruptcy proceedings, will be sold at auction, and, according to a trust administrator for Farmland, at least four groups have shown serious interest in the property.September 12, 2006http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/12/county_city_pursue_farmland_purchase/City and county leaders are still looking at buying the vacant Farmland Industries site to turn it into an industrial park, despite the interest of a private company that's ready to do the same: which likely would cost several million dollars.

0

Pilgrim 5 years, 10 months ago

Looks like we may have to have a primary between Richard and JackRipper for the "Savior of Lawrence and the World" position.Richard, when are you going to run?Jack, when are you going to run?We obviously cannot survive without one of you telling the rest of us how to run our lives. So when are the candidacy announcements?

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

"Probally not but I would try to figure out a way to buy the property from them. Maybe that makes me different from most people on this board."People, this strategy is getting as tiring as the one where people say if they win the lottery they would give the money away to good causes. Come on, if this was the way it worked why wouldn't we hear more about people doing that instead of calling the police or using legal means to shut the offender down? Nobody living in a peaceful neighborhood ever feels they have to defend their right to live in a peaceful neighborhood. Geez, the adult entertainment store is a perfect example and I'm sure it wasn't even noisy! Can't we respect the rights of the people living out there in the COUNTY and not let the pawns take it over?

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Consumer are you missing the point that when a person buys land they are not entitled to buying the city off so they can get that land way out in the country annexed for their gain. Since the city is being asked, even though Cnuts plays ignorant that this will end up costing the city money, I hope you aren't that ignorant, shouldn't they be concerned about issues that the city has to deal with? So Farmland is contaminated, gosh, who caused that? Oh, a business that owned the property but it seems the city will ultimately end up picking up that tab, so much for free enterprise carrying its own weight. Yes, the city doesn't need to be extending us into anything else until it deals with our current problems and like dandelion says, what would you rather have there- an industrial park which will probably populate or housing? Oh gosh, I'm afraid to know your answer on that one.

0

commuter 5 years, 10 months ago

Probally not but I would try to figure out a way to buy the property from them. Maybe that makes me different from most people on this board.dandelion- I am confused. If the Farmland site is contaminated, what prospective developer would want to buy it without millions and millions of tax subsidies? Have you had any experience with land that it contaminated? I worked on project that was less contaminated than the Farmland site about 8 years ago. It costs over 5 million for just the clean up, this does not account for acquisition, building costs, soil testing, architect fees, legal fees, etc. JackRipper- based on your comments, I am guessing you do not own a business? I am also guessing you do not have a mangerial role in a business? If so, i would be extremely shocked. Just because there is an empty building at East Hills Business Park, there should be no more commercial building? If so, there should be no more residential building, right? Who owns East Hills Business Park?

0

dandelion 5 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the answers. It seems that eyesore Farmland would make a better industrial park. What else would you put in there. I don't think I would like to live there, so a housing complex or apartments would be dumb. If they would bring jobs with real pay and not just more retail, it might be ok, but I think there would have to be some iron clad guarantee.commuter - if someone wanted to put in a car lot and mechanic shop next door to you, would you mind? I mean it's their property.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

How many employers want to move to a county location instead of inside city limits? Also, the city could help with some incentives.Is that just the stupidest statement made so far? They don't have to move to the county location, we have an empty building that we are willing to make under the table deals to get rid off and a huge eye sore on the east side of town that would just look lovely as an industrial park. I don't give a flying flip about the roads, that is what was build with the same enlightened mentality that we currently have in the commission. For Pete's sake, make what we have already screwed up work before going out and screwing up something that the people who live out there don't want and the county won't provide for the speculator/developer!

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Commuter is that land holy or something, did God come down and say let there be industry on this patch of prairie surrounded by more prairie? We have land in the city already that needs to be taken care of. The city does not need to go looking outside its boundaries. Why that spot? Why not any other spot in the county? Why doesn't Joe Farmer say to the city, "today I want my land to be annexed and turned into an industrial zone"?! It is plain nuts to think there is any justification for the city to annex land why out there to speed up the wealth of a speculator/developer. It smells of one thing, a bought off city commission! Does that not bother you? When the goosestepping thugs march in will you be saying they will bring business to town? And if there was such a burning desire by businesses for warehousing on I-70 why the heck haven't they built it considering how many exits there are all along I-70 and probably with cheaper land prices. Is thinking it though really a crime in this town so we don't get stuck with more taxes after being told that all the development put in so far was going to add to the tax base? Did common sense really go out of style with people who don't even know what being a conservative means?

0

commuter 5 years, 10 months ago

Somebodynew- Just because you personally don't have the money to buy the property, you can always start an investment club to pool your money. I know a few people who probally would be interested Merrill, Boog, Rundle, Kirk McClure, and Schauner, oh wait I forgot that group of people wouldn't use their money to buy any property, they would rather complain about the use of property or try to change the rules halfway through the game. As for city annexing the property, maybe annexing the property it would make it easier to help bring any potential business to the location. How many employers want to move to a county location instead of inside city limits? Also, the city could help with some incentives.Maybe I have worked for companies, ones that pay taxes- KU and not for profits, and unions normally do not pay taxes, the cost to relocate is tremendous. Even expanding or creating a new warehouse is costly.My last employer mover 10 miles from one building to another, it costs over $100,000 and we collectively spent over 500 hours over a 10 month time frame to help ensure the move was a success. Funny thing, we moved inside the same city. Most people of this board, including merrill, have and will never be a part of a business that grows and needs more additional space.

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 10 months ago

The city needs the property tax revenue.

0

cool 5 years, 10 months ago

18 June 2008 at 5:40 p.m.Suggest removalPermalinkdandelion (Anonymous) says:This is a serious question, because I'm confused about some facts here. If they aren't asking the city to put in sewer and water, then why annex them? Won't the county allow them to put in an industrial park? What is the value of being annexed? I'm not being flip here, and I don't have enough facts to know if I would favor this or not. I really don't understand the purpose of this annexation.i think that the purpose of this annexation is that the City Commission would rubber stamp quicker than the County.....politics of expediency ! REALPOLITIKwhen you can do it - do it !

0

somebodynew 5 years, 10 months ago

dandelion - I appreciate a serious question and will try to answer as best as my limited knowledge will allow.The ONLY reason they want this annexed is because they have tried 2-3 times to get the County Commission to re-zone the land, and the county has said no, that the zoning they want (the one that allows almost anything industrial) doesn't fit. They also refuse to say just what exactly they want to put in there. With the zoning they are asking for almost anything can be put in, including a truck stop (which is one of the rumors). And to "cantbelievemyeyes" - I do admit I live near the area, just so there is no guessing. Why didn't I buy the land myself - - Well I don't know about you, but I don't have the Swada money or an investment group to buy more than my house. This land also sold at an auction several years back and wasn't listed in a typical sale format.And for those who are thinking that I should have checked things before I moved - I did (1994) and was told repeatedly the City would probably never cross the Turnpike. It still hasn't unless this is approved. I believed the area would remain rural and farm/residential when I built.This group is just trying to "end run" the County because they have more "pull" with the City to get the zoning they want.

0

toe 5 years, 10 months ago

I am going into the outhouse business. There will be opportunities.

0

dandelion 5 years, 10 months ago

This is a serious question, because I'm confused about some facts here. If they aren't asking the city to put in sewer and water, then why annex them? Won't the county allow them to put in an industrial park? What is the value of being annexed? I'm not being flip here, and I don't have enough facts to know if I would favor this or not. I really don't understand the purpose of this annexation.

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 10 months ago

If I buy a commercial building or a house(that's what some are called in Lawrence?) can I tear it down? It is mine! If I buy 20 acres in the country, can I plant trees and tomatoes or will the neighbors complain. Sadly, even in the country the dogs bark and have time for meetings. Douglas county needs to be certain that all barking dogs are neutered and spayed. The Public Comment session of city and county meetings would be subdued. A spayed dog has less of an appetite for breeding and a neutered dog has less of an appetite for spayed dogs. The city would do well to have zoning regulations for Spayed and Neutered neighborhoods. The neighborhood group would then be subdued. Is it time for Kibble and Bits? (Dolph, another idea for a column alongside Hawksquawk. Hawksquawk on Sundays and Kibble and Bits on Wednesday right after the City commission meeting which is truly kibble and bits.

0

cantbelievemyeyes 5 years, 10 months ago

Once again, buy the land yourself and put a giant vegetable stand there if you want one.You are complaining about everything being built 'way over there', but I bet you will be the first in line if there is some sort of factory that wants to be put there so that they can build it 'over here'.It sounds like you live around there, so why didn't you buy it when it was up for sale?

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Wow that is interesting, so you think it is fine to buy land and buy your city commissioners to not only zone it but to annex land you want to make a quick buck off of? Just a walk in the park aye. And there isn't land currently within the city limits where such a venture couldn't occur for instance..... the current business park? Things that the city should be considering because it cost us all money when they proceed. I'm wondering who will be responsible for plowing the snow way out there? Will the city have to pull off and send trucks out to the "island"? And you don't think we will be paying for the infrastructure no matter what Cnuts impression is?That is great that you are an admirer of distribution center being the source of meaningful jobs that in concept are as reckless as this land grab. We may be finding ourselves a bit surprised when the build it way over there and ship it all over the place economy starts to fall apart as fuel becomes more expensive. Our economy has been sliding by on the idea that fuel will be cheap but we see the problems with that. Don't you think there should be an option for rail which seems highly unlikely to that location.That land would serve better as a giant vegetable stand that supports the local economy concept instead of just an empty consumer culture looking for the next thrill. Do we want real jobs that provide people with the sense of accomplishment or just jobs where people move boxes from here to there.

0

cantbelievemyeyes 5 years, 10 months ago

Try driving by the Target distribution center in Topeka sometime. It is quiet, beautifully landscaped and it is bringing in a LOT of jobs and revenue for the city.

0

cantbelievemyeyes 5 years, 10 months ago

First off, if I buy land should I be able to get the city to annex it to do whatever I want? Considering there are others living out there shouldn't they have some rights about their land? If I buy property next to your house is it ok if I buy city votes so I can put in dance hall?If the city approves it, yes. No one is asking to build a dance hall but you are saying that these people have no rights about the land that they own. If I don't like what my neighbors are doing legally, I will move. As you said, there are other houses for sale.So the only place new jobs can be created is land that the city doesn't even control? That is why annexation is being requested.....Hello??Well, well, so the fact that first the bypass is pushed through and look there is one of the major developers with land right there needing instant development opporunitiesYou are making a lot of insinuations. I would like to see the proof. I don't know how the bypass came to be put in, but when they built it 10 or so years ago, I for one was thrilled to have an easier, faster way to get around. I see no sinister plans as I drive on it and I doubt all the others who enjoy getting off the road faster and burning less fuel see it as well.

0

max1 5 years, 10 months ago

"Another good thing about Decatur County, Kansas, Hawk, is that some things out there are abundant and worthless." -not_holroydThat's typical comment from a glutenous lawn and poodle lover with a blatant disregard for our environment and natural history.http://www.naturalkansas.org/monument.htmFor further exploration of this region, acquire maps of Logan, Gove, and Trego counties and try the back roads that criss-cross the river.http://www.washburn.edu/cas/art/cyoho/archive/KStravel/bigrocks/pyramids.htmlhttp://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/kansas/science/art24806.htmlThe black-footed ferret, one of the rarest mammals in North America, has come home again to Smoky Valley Ranch, a 16,800-acre shortgrass prairie preserve in Logan County in western Kansas.http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/other_services/wildlife_diversity/kansas_nature_based_tourism_allianceThe Mission of KNBTA is: "To conserve, enhance and promote natural resources and experiences in Kansas." Efforts are guided further through the conservation message of Aldo Leopold, the father of modern wildlife management: "To see the land, to understand what we see, and to enjoy what we understand."http://www.worldwildlife.org/wildworld/profiles/terrestrial/na/na0815_full.htmlThe Western Short Grasslands is the second largest grassland ecoregion of North America, covering slightly more than 435,000 km2.The Western Short Grasslands is among the richest ecoregions in the United States and Canada for species of butterflies, birds, and mammals.

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 10 months ago

Working with a chamber, hmmm? Would that be like a Fenced chamber or chamber pot.? Actually "not_holroyd" should take a drive to Dagget County Utah and check that place out.. Up and coming resort area along with Stevens county where the air is nothing but the smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Gas wells. Plenty of them. And that money is coming East to Lawrence. Next hot spot for development is south of the Chancellor's place. Big lot ready for two mansions. one facing east and one West. Check it out. Lawrence is always slow on the take and infill and new urbanism is the name of the game.The 'hawk' has no time for dogs especially if they have to be fed at the Country Club and their fur stroked and combed and petted. Dogs need to fend for themselves. Like I said, a neutered and spayed dog is the best at Neighborhood Group meetings.

0

max1 5 years, 10 months ago

"not_holroyd worked closely with a chamber, but far away from Lawrence, some years ago." -not_holroydGee, image that!Symptoms & Indications of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID): Speaking of oneself in the third person

0

max1 5 years, 10 months ago

"not_holroyd confesses to using a gas mower. He doesn't give this use much thought. He doesn't pretend to be greenie. But he is a good neighbor. He does read the rants of people like Merrill" -not_holroydSymptoms & Indications of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)23: Speaking of oneself in the third personhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorderObsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a psychiatric anxiety disorder most commonly characterized by a subject's obsessive, distressing, intrusive thoughts and related compulsions (see "anal retentive")http://www2.ljworld.com/users/not_holroyd/comments/"I always bring poop bags, because I want to be a good neighbor." -not_holroyd"Not_holroyd tries to understand this inconsistency, but can not." -not_holroyd"Where is Hawk this morning?. . . Say hi to your neighbors today. And give your dog a hug."-not_holroyd"Say hi to your neighbors today. And don't forget to feed the dog." -not_holroyd"Another good thing about Decatur County, Kansas, Hawk, is that some things out there are abundant and worthless." -not_holroyd"Not_holroyd continues to believe that Hawk's health would benefit from a move to rural Decatur County Kansas where land is cheap, the air is clearn" -not_holroyd"Not_Holroyd has been doing some reading up on Mr. Cool" -not_holroyd"Pet your dog today, and say hello to a neighbor." -not_holroyd

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 10 months ago

Next hot spot for property purchase is within 2 blocks south of the Chancellor's house. There is a rental on land big enough for two mansions not to mention a knoll forgotten by most. Dogs are best in a kennel and many of the dogs in Lawrence who show up at meetings have been released way too early from their kennel. They need to be quarantined a bit longer and maybe even neutered. A spayed dog at a neighborhood meeting makes a better neighbor.

0

OnAir 5 years, 10 months ago

I would suggest that everyone travel down to Ottawa and view the American Eagle facility that was not good enough for Lawrence. Don't take anyone's word for what it is. Go and drive by.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Why don't all of you people who want to tell everyone else what to do with their land, band together and buy the land yourselves??-----First off, if I buy land should I be able to get the city to annex it to do whatever I want? Considering there are others living out there shouldn't they have some rights about their land? If I buy property next to your house is it ok if I buy city votes so I can put in dance hall?How is making new jobs for people a bad thing? With gas prices the way they are it would be nice to have a few jobs in Lawrence instead of having to commute out of town to work.----------So the only place new jobs can be created is land that the city doesn't even control? We don't have any properties in the parts the city does control or is it they aren't owned by this person? And it is pretty simple, the jobs everybody are demanding weren't really here to begin with because a major metropolitan city is only 35 miles away and they have many houses for sell also so if we are being Mr Individualistic here why don't people take personal responsibility and move closer to work? This site, being next to the turnpike exit/entrance makes much more sense than the Farmland site. Much easier to get a distribution center there. Developers look at that and at whether there is land available before saying yes we want to build our plant there.-------Well, well, so the fact that first the bypass is pushed through and look there is one of the major developers with land right there needing instant development opporunities. Gosh, how fortunate for him. Let's put it this way, we already have east hills for better or worse and a huge piece of dilapidated property as the gateway from the east that needs to be taken care of. How about giving this developer a trade and let him take care of Farmland and make it into his industrial park. How can we go on a land grab when we can't take care of the land we have already? Won't that create jobs too if that is the holy mantra?People will NOT have to wait to go home to "pee". If you read the article it says the developers will will pay for it themselves when the need arrives, that they will not ask the city to do so.Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. You mean like the airport proposal where they'll do some of it but the city will have to pitch in? Chestnuts quote: "No public money is being asked for and none is being granted," City Commissioner Rob Chestnut said. "That is the understanding I'm moving forward with." isn't very reassuring to me. An understanding? Sounds like more of that gov/bus speak that can be parsed later when they come looking for the infrastructure. Dever said this is about jobs so how won't the need be sooner then later if that is the justification?

0

dandelion 5 years, 10 months ago

RealityCNo lie. They're shipping everything out to other countries. It's probably a ploy to get annexed, then they are going to build more stupid strip malls. Just what we need, more strip malls.

0

cantbelievemyeyes 5 years, 10 months ago

Why don't all of you people who want to tell everyone else what to do with their land, band together and buy the land yourselves?? How is making new jobs for people a bad thing? With gas prices the way they are it would be nice to have a few jobs in Lawrence instead of having to commute out of town to work.This site, being next to the turnpike exit/entrance makes much more sense than the Farmland site. Much easier to get a distribution center there. Developers look at that and at whether there is land available before saying yes we want to build our plant there. People will NOT have to wait to go home to "pee". If you read the article it says the developers will will pay for it themselves when the need arrives, that they will not ask the city to do so.

0

Reality_Check 5 years, 10 months ago

If you build it, they will come. What do we MAKE in this country that we need more industrial land for?

0

Baille 5 years, 10 months ago

You vote for those who promote cancerous growth, you get cancerous growth. We have areas zoned industrial that are underutilized. No need to add more. And who wants to bet the Schwadas come back next year and ask for city services? This ain't good for Lawrence.

0

not_holroyd 5 years, 10 months ago

Sure will be a good day to mow the lawn. Even with a 2-cycle engine.Decatur County, Gove County, Trego County....... there are so many wonderful places in the state which do not have CDBG issues, neighborhood groups, roundabouts, homeless shelters, universities, industrial growth, incubators or Docking Gateways.Of course, you can't hold onto a piece of property there and quadruple your money and get rich through others' development work and city investment as easily, like you can on Louisiana Street.I bet many of those counties don't even require a license to own a dog. Ahhhh... the Libertarian spirit of the Great Plains. Live and let live.Maybe Hawk ought to investigate residential opportunities out there. He can buy whatever kind of dog he wants. Or probably one of those circus cats too.Say hi to your neighbor. And feed your dog Hills Science Diet. Dogs don't get constipated with high quality food. And don't forget Hills ZooPreem for the circus cats.

0

macon47 5 years, 10 months ago

most people love dogs,however most peopledo not love dogsthat bark all the time becausetheir owners neglect themor crap in everyone else yardsroam around the nieghborhoodswhen the "occassionaly" get looseor sniff your butt when you arewalking down mass st or farmers marketthese pets should be forgiven , and the owners made to stay two nights in a pen at the humane society

0

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 10 months ago

What is it that Hawkperched has against dogs?

0

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 10 months ago

"imagold you are free to purchase any type of pasture/land you would like. Do it for your grandkids!"The Schwada's bought pasture land, too. That doesn't mean they should be guaranteed the right to use it for whatever purpose they can buy a commission to approve for them.

0

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 10 months ago

The Rubberstamp Commission in action yet again.

0

offtotheright 5 years, 10 months ago

"Sad that our kids and grandkids and greatgrandkids are, someday in the near future, going to have to look at photos and be told what a pasture was."imagold you are free to purchase any type of pasture/land you would like. Do it for your grandkids!

0

macon47 5 years, 10 months ago

the area whiners remind me of the folks thatbuild homes after kci was infull swing.all of a sudden they demaded the airportbe shut down because of the noiseor the city folks that moved to the countryand complained about the smell of hogsor cattle that had been in the area before them.when you have property near the edge of town,what do you expect will happen over a period of time?the answer is simple, if you dont like your neighborsjust buy them out and sit on the property

0

hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 10 months ago

And the fun is poked at me suggesting that Decatur county would be a nice place. It is a nice place. Maybe those folks around the new annexed land to be would like to move. Isn't it interesting though how there is a neighborhood group out west. Stretching the term "neighborhood": quite a bit. Let's just annex Lawrence to Afghanistan and get it over with., then when it is bombed out, the whole town can be rebuilt, it already needs most of the inner city rebuilt. Lawrence is in a state of denial and can no longer continue to hug itself, it will soon strangle itself. Pet your non barking dog, and smell your neighbor';s garbage and please scoop up the poop from the non barking dog. Nothing worse than a quiet dog that poops everywhere. This town has sadly many barking dogs that are constipated and they show up at every meeting .

0

OnlyTheOne 5 years, 10 months ago

"Services? We don't need no steenking services." We'll just put in an open lagoon (I love the smell of an open lagoon in the morning) or individual septic systems and drop wells to suck the aquifer dry so we can keep our business lawns and shrubs beautiful while you farmer's and property owner's see your wells run dry.

0

macon47 5 years, 10 months ago

i wouldnt want anything built next to me eitheri dont blame the neighbors for bringing upsuch flimsy issues to fight schwada .go booger go, you da man

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

BigPrune, some people's description of paradise isn't a theme park with lots of rides like yours must be.If Sunflower Electric is a smart company they would try to build their power plant here in Lawrence or outside of Lawrence since we can just annex land anytime we want. Something tells me that our current commission could get that deal done.

0

BigPrune 5 years, 10 months ago

Pave paradise? There ain't no paradise out there.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Let's see also what incredible projects our pro business commission has brought us to save Lawrence:1. A luxury hotel in a student housing area with tax breaks to build a parking garage.2. Approving more student housing, not in the student housing area where the hotel is being built instead out on the outskirts of town which will require transportation to make their everyday trip to campus.3. A new golf course and housing while the golf course the city built can't make money and is there a shortage of housing in Lawrence right now? Hello!!!4 Annexing land way out in the country to build an industrial area that will employ lots of people but they will have to hold their bodily functions until they get home and haul their own water because we are told they won't need city services. At the same time our current business park can't attract business without dirty dealings under the table and also while a huge piece of land sits unused and polluted as our gateway to Lawrence.5. Talk about raising taxes to fix the roads. But I thought all that development was going to provide more taxes and therefore we wouldn't need to raise taxes. 6. Demand to finish the bypass so all those suckers who bought out west and commute to KC will have one less irritant to deal with on their very expense commute. Yep, that is impressive while not anticipating what most people can see coming, a world that requires conserving as even John McCain said. It won't be just a personal virtue anymore but our commission can continue to try to make those quick bucks for their buds before the game is up.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

monkeyhawk have you been in a deep sleep? Have you not heard the news that all that so called growth and wealth that was supposedly created was done with mortgages that have collapsed the system? The need for greed caught up with us and that the problems the city are facing are the same across the country? Shall we blame the three amigos for the problems in the entire country? Think much of the property tax increases came from the school bonds that people voted for in elections.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Question to the commission:You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

0

monkeyhawk 5 years, 10 months ago

"....Douglas County commissioners erred earlier this year when it found the island annexation did not impede the growth of any other city in the county."Following that thinking, is it then possible for the citizens of Lawrence to file suit against Rundle, Highberger & Schauner for actually destroying the growth of Lawrence, depleting our general fund for folly, thus causing great harm to the reputation of this city, not to mention skyrocketing property taxes?

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

In the mean time a big building sits empty in east hills and Farmland sits unused and polluted yet the city against the will of the people who live out there annexes a piece of land that supposedly won't need any city services but is suppose to create many jobs. This smells as bad as the under table dealings of our previous major with bio science company in east hills. The good news is the city did find enough asphalt to fill the massive pothole on Kentucky street after many days of who know how many damaged car suspensions. Now that is responsive!

0

imagold 5 years, 10 months ago

Sing along with Joni: They paved paradise to put up a parking lot. Oooh, dah, dah, dah, dah. This makes me sad...again. Sad for nature. Sad for wide open spaces. Sad that our kids and grandkids and greatgrandkids are, someday in the near future, going to have to look at photos and be told what a pasture was.

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

And for all that have figured that the east hills park isn't working because of interstate access did you ever wonder how that came about? Could it be the same way this was approved without thinking? How convenient that our big developer just happened to own so much land along the bypass. Talk about some smart speculation! Funny thing I thought when you speculated you waited for the ship to come in instead of buying off the commission to do things outside of city limits when there is so much to do within the city limits!

0

JackRipper 5 years, 10 months ago

Amazing, so they are approving this because of all the jobs it will create but the people working there won't be allowed to use the restroom or get a drink while at work? So much for trying to invent justification for something that is nothing more then a bought of city commission dancing for their master.

0

commuter 5 years, 10 months ago

Merrill until you pay an impact fee for property, i won't listen. You sound like a broken record. FYI. The empty space at East Hills is empty because of access to I-70.Merrill say to to drugs and GRA. Both are bad.

0

Pilgrim 5 years, 10 months ago

I think we need to call the waaambulance for Richard.But first we need to know when his name is going to be on the city commission election ballot. After all, his are the only ideas (being against everything is an idea?) that can possibly save us from ourselves. We simply can't continue to exist without his superior intellect and omniscience at the helm.So when are you going to save us, Richard? When?

0

Michael Capra 5 years, 10 months ago

Schwada blvd ..nice ring to it dont you think merrill

0

Michael Capra 5 years, 10 months ago

look its rundle and ermiling doing the secret hand shake has she joined the rundle bundle gang to bankrupt the city.Again

0

scott3460 5 years, 10 months ago

Another idiotic decision by a group of development mad idiots. Lawrence & the surrounding area used to be such a nice place. Ruined slowly by surely by the hordes of idiots.

0

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

Impact Fees Excise taxes Impact Fees Excise TaxesThe largest growth that has taken place in the last 25 years has been residential yet the city still cannot or refuses to maintain older residential neighborhoods/ infrastructure. Obviously this expanded tax dollar liability beyond what the new expanded tax base could produce in terms of new tax dollars. A bloated residential base is not a situation taxpayers can afford.If residential growth paid for itself and was financially positive Lawrence would not be in a budget crunch. Quite the contrary. Lawrence would be rolling in the dough.But with increased numbers of houses you have increased demand on services, and historically the funding of revenues generated by residential housing does not pay for the services they require from a municipality.Impact Fees&Excise taxes - Impact Fees&Excise Taxesmust be implemented if any possibility for sensible growth decisions is to take place.

0

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

It is ludicrous for citizen taxpayers to believe this will not cost them money.Annexation in and of itself demands city law enforcement and fire department services right off the top.Annexation in and of itself increases the cost of community services. Citizen taxpayers know there will be demands for more: water and sewer lines streets and repairshousespublic schools fire stations law enforcement manpowersidewalks snow removal bike trails and cross walks Traffic signals Traffic calming developers requesting more tax dollar assistance(new infrastructure) for theirwarehouses and retail strip malls.*In general increases the cost of community services to all taxpayers.

0

Richard Heckler 5 years, 10 months ago

Speculation is how economic displacement develops instead of economic growth."City commissioners moved ahead on plans for a new industrial park near the Lecompton interchange on the Kansas Turnpike, saying it was a key piece of ground to attracting new jobs to the city."How do they know?How can they know based on NOT knowing what type business will locate to that land?*How does anyone know there is a demand for more warehouse space in Lawrence,Kansas.Decisions based on speculation is unacceptable and fiscally irresponsible. "Developers have said they believe they can find users for the site"Pure speculation. Developers THINK warehouse space will be in demand because of that large train yard currently under construction south of here. There are tons of warehouses planned for that train yard that are not 25-30 miles away.There is a NEW 10 year old 600,000 sq ft warehouse in East Hills Business Park that was built based on speculation. Never been used. I believe the building owner is our illustrious Chamber of Commerce. Why does the Chamber own the building? Where did the money come from? How does the Chamber afford the property taxes.Big empty buildings cost taxpayers money because tax dollar spending(budget) is based on square footage of job space(tax revenue) whether jobs/sales(tax revenue) exist or not.

0

Commenting has been disabled for this item.