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Break Obama infatuation

February 6, 2008


In human relationships, there is the flirtation stage, followed by what my grandparents called "courting" and, if that works out, marriage. For those who are cohabiting, that was once the order of things, before disorderly social conduct took over.

In presidential politics, the analogy also works. We have passed the flirtation stage with Barack Obama and now it is time for a serious background check before too many of us follow our hearts instead of our heads and enter into a bad "marriage."

That and Sen. Edward Kennedy have endorsed Obama ought to be enough for any conservative - even moderate - to pause before heading toward the electoral altar. But Obama has offered more cause for alarm by heralding his left-wing economic philosophy in a recent interview with The New York Times.

Obama told the newspaper the top priority of the next president should be the creation of a more lasting and equitable prosperity than achieved under Presidents Bush and Clinton. Obama apparently missed the class that teaches government doesn't create prosperity; people do.

During last Thursday's debate with Hillary Clinton, Obama said he would pay for his proposed new programs, including mandatory health insurance, by imposing higher taxes on "the wealthy" and raising the tax on Social Security wages. He added, "What we have had right now is a situation where we've cut taxes for people who don't need them." Should government determine how much money people "need"? This is Marxism: "from each according to his ability; to each according to his need." Sen. Clinton expressed similar sentiments on ABC's "This Week" when she said if people refuse to buy health insurance under her plan she might garnish people's wages.

One reason this socialistic mindset resonates favorably with many is due to the shift in the last half-century from promoting hard work, self-sufficiency, marriage, personal responsibility and accountability and living within one's means, to a mentality that I am entitled to the fruits of other people's labor. That used to be called robbery before government started doing it more than a century ago through the income tax.

Another reason the Obama (and Clinton) class envy works is that too many people are economic illiterates. They can't tell the difference between compound interest and a compound fracture. How many politicians today talk about looking out for one's self, not relying on government? Too many Republicans negotiate with Democrats over the size of new programs and budget increases, rather than reducing the cost and size of the nanny state. The era of big government is not over, as Bill Clinton proclaimed in his 1996 State of the Union address; it has just begun. If either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama becomes president, government will grow even larger and become more intrusive.

According to recent Gallup data, "The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income, but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent - those below the median income level - now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don't include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare."

Soaking "the rich" even more won't pay for all the new government programs Obama (and Sen. Clinton) wish to impose on us. Thomas Jefferson, whom Democrats claim as their party's founder said: "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Calvin Coolidge, who spoke when he had something to say, cautioned, "Never attempt to build up the weak by tearing down the strong." That is what Obama and his fellow Democrats seem intent on doing. They tear down the rich, rather than encourage the non-rich to become prosperous.

Obama should read the works of the Scottish moral philosopher Adam Smith, who said, "It is the highest impertinence and presumption : in kings and ministers to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, and to restrain their expense. They are themselves, always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society."

Again, Calvin Coolidge rebukes the ideology of Obama-Clinton: "The collection of any taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to the public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. : The wise and correct course to follow in taxation is not to destroy those who have already secured success but to create conditions under which every one will have a better chance to be more successful."

Given such truths, it is time to break up with our Obama infatuation.

Cal Thomas is a columnist for Tribune Media Services.


ctutgo 9 years, 6 months ago

Obama wants all to have a chance to prosper, Cal. I only have one question. Where have your Republicans taken us lately? Hmmm?

Bubarubu 9 years, 6 months ago

Ach! He said the word "need" in relation to an economic policy, he's a Marxist! Red Alert! Red Alert!

In breaking news, Cal Thomas is an idiot.

number3of5 9 years, 6 months ago

in this case, Obama is the lesser of two evils, so to speak. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton needs his head examined.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 6 months ago

What an outstanding crowd last night. If the general election breeds this much concern the result will be moderate democrats take offices.

The house and senate needs a serious clean out to support Obama. Those neoconservatives cannot manage national security,diplomacy,foreign policy or economic policy. World domination through war is their tunnel vision.

Obama got some very alive brain cells accompanied with inspirational delivery.

average 9 years, 6 months ago

Calvin Coolidge? Really? Calvin Coolidge? You can't do better than those days? Corporate shilling leading to a crazy misinvestment bubble and crash? Good comparison, at least.

I'll say it again, the middle class never grew faster than during Eisenhower. American infrastructure we've depended on for our prosperity since? Eisenhower. Investment in job training and education? Eisenhower. Strong on defense? Ike. Did it with a balanced budget, so the "greatest generation" wouldn't leave "the boomers" deep in hock. The top marginal income tax rate under Eisenhower? 91%. Obama and Clinton ain't going anywhere near that, are they?

Logan5 9 years, 6 months ago

Defender, I second your nomination and also nominate Stain's post as the most intelligent and concise.

Roadkill_Rob 9 years, 6 months ago

Oh great...Dollypawpaw has kids. Sigh, the cycle continues.

Mkh 9 years, 6 months ago

I think the Eagles said it best:

"There's talk on the street, it sounds so familiar Great expectations, everybody's watching you People you meet they all seem to know you Even your old friends treat you like you're something new

Johnny-come-lately, the new kid in town Everybody loves you, so don't let them down

You look in her eyes, the music begins to play Hopeless romantics, here we go again But after a while you're looking the other way It's those restless hearts that never mend

Johnny-come-lately, the new kid in town Will she still love you when you're not around

There's so many things you should have told her But night after night you're willing to hold her Just hold her tears on your shoulder

There's talk on the street, it's there to remind you That it doesn't really matter which side you're on You're walking away and they're talking behind you They will never forget you till somebody new comes along

Where you been lately There's a new kid in town Everybody loves him, don't they Now he's holding her and you're still around, oh my my There's a new kid in town Just another new kid in town

Oo-hoo, everybody's talking 'bout the new kid in town Oo-hoo, everybody's walking like the new kid in town There's a new kid in town (I don't want to hear it) There's a new kid in town (I don't want to hear it) There's a new kid in town There's a new kid in town

There's a new kid in town (everybody's talking about) There's a new kid in town (people started walking like) There's a new kid in town There's a new kid in town"

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

"I am tired of taking care of the likes of you and other Liberals."

I imagine that you have no more than a vague over-infuriated concept of what this would actually mean.

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

Stain: That was pretty much what I thought too, along with the confirmatory chuckle, as I saw this headline in most discussed and again accurately predicted a Cal Thomas article.

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

My very most favoratist Cal Thomas article, though, has to be the one where he implores both parties to respect their differences in opinion, and come together without rancor and bitterness, responsibly, for the good of America.

Coincidentally, about two days after the results of the 2006 senatorial election.

guesswho 9 years, 6 months ago

too bad the Republicans can't live within their means

Frederic Gutknecht IV 9 years, 6 months ago

Cal is such a popular little...(Ho! Ho! Ho! Merdey Xmess!)...shill. Who was that fat dumb@$$?~)

average 9 years, 6 months ago

Obama - Wants dialog with enemies. Has said so, even if it's not immediately popular. We're the muddaflippin US of A. Who are we afraid to talk to? Barack before bombs.

Obama - Not the wife of the guy whose crippling sanctions and annual bombing runs entrenched Sadaam's Baathists and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, mostly women and children. Not saying the sanctions were right or wrong, but Obama is a new honest broker for a hurting Iraq.

Obama - Willing to take steps toward getting over it with Cuba. A fresh face for bringing a post-Fidel Cuba to the 21st century without it going nuts.

Obama - Supports "decriminalization" of marijuana and states' rights in the area. That's a seven-syllable word that says he knows what the hell he's talking about. I've never toked, not once, but think the war on drugs sucks.

Obama - Hasn't thrown gays under the bus time and time again. Bill Clinton... gleefully signing the DOMA in September 1996 during his election campaign? Don't think that one's forgotten!

Hillary Clinton - Proud to be chief sponsor for a dumb-as-rocks anti-flag-burning bill. Obama - Constitutional scholar who has fought many First Amendment cases on the side of freedom.

Obama's not an empty suit.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 6 months ago

Cal exposes his stupidity once again.

Cal uses the tactics of the anarchist to undermine and destroy those things about government spending with which he does not agree.

The fantasy republic Cal and Ron Paul and others espouse, one of no taxes and small government spending, has never existed in a major world-power state and will never exist in the United States.

At least be honest, Cal. The real difference is how government money is spent.

You agree with spending money on the military and the war. Obama wants to spend money on health care.

The US economy could not operate without government support of roads, bridges, banks, the Fed, police, fire, etc.

To think otherwise is childish and selfish. Shouldn't surprise me you think this way, Cal.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 6 months ago

Usually, the "bootstappers" who complain about handouts to others and "taking from others" are in fact themselves the recipients of government largesse.

Farm subsidies are a big one in Kansas, as are price supports.

In fact, I am supporting everyone who pays less tax than I do.

Get off of my roads, you free-loaders. Or pay your share.

Get off of my bridges. Don't dare call my police force or fire station.

Quit stealing from me so that you can freeload.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 6 months ago

Oh, and stop being protected from terrorism by my military and intelligence agencies. Until you pay your share, you are stealing from me by being protected.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 6 months ago

Bootstrapper99 said: "Noone gave me anything. I wasn't born with a silver spoon." A few questions to help us understand: 1) What was your parents' professions and incomes? 2) What is your race? 3) Did you attend and graduate from public high school, community college, or university? 4) Does your business involve driving on roads and being protected by the police and fire department? 5) Are you eligible for bankruptcy protection? 6) Have you received government small business loans or grants. 7) Does your business have contracts with the government?

Answers to these questions will help us understand just how the american dream worked for you.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 years, 6 months ago

Obama would stop rewarding companies for taking jobs to other countries, unlike Bush, whose family and buddies are making big profits from doing this. Sure you pay less for stuff, but at what long term cost? It's tough for those who only get a high school education to find a job that will make a living. It isn't our education system that isn't preparing people for our new society. It's that the jobs aren't there without getting more training. The factory I worked in, which kept me off the dole, isn't there anymore. Fortunately, I saw the writing on the wall, finished college, became a teacher, and work very hard. But now I owe so much in education loans (despite some scholarships, the only way I could go to school) that my lifestyle is actually about the same. Of course, I am doing something I love, so it's been worth it. But what of those who don't have a knack for academics? Some of my coworkers had fabrication skills and welding skills that are still needed, but the others are working 2 jobs and have much less than they used to. We need a president who will make it difficult for companies to do this. We are turning into a country that relies on other countries for our goods. That is not self reliance. Look what happened with our oil. We are at the mercy of the Middle East and their mess.

twelvepackterry 9 years, 6 months ago

Obama also has Zbigniew Brezinski as his foreign policy advisor. Since Zbigniew Brezinsk has worked for Carter, Reagan and Bush Sr. (not Clinton) and somewhat for Bush Jr (tho I doubt seriously if Dub-ya even heard what he had to say), I would say that Obama is not really all that interested in getting the old guard out, not interested in change.

I want the old DC guard crushed. I want world peace.

Oracle_of_Rhode 9 years, 6 months ago

"Warren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner...

Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion, said: "The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you're in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent."

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent."

jedre 9 years, 6 months ago

Cal Thomas is an idiot. And he quoted Adam Smith - the grandfather of capitalist pig-ism. Read a book, Cal, you'll learn something.

Mkh 9 years, 6 months ago

twelvepackterry (Anonymous) says:

"Obama also has Zbigniew Brezinski as his foreign policy advisor"

Yes! Anyone who thinks that Obama is some sort of "peace candidate" needs to ask why Brezinski is his foreign policy advisor? Obama does not reject the military imperalism policy of the Establishment, he only wants to modify it back to the NATO model, that is the problem.

The last thing this nation needs right now is a young inexperienced president who will be immediatley manipulated by the power structure of the old guard Elite.

America cannot continue Brezinski's "Grand Chessboard" is the reason we are in the mess to begin with.

America needs to bring real "Change" to Washington that is not just another new face back by the same ole gang of thugs.

Unforunately it appears the Republican and Democrat parties want no part of that. No surprise there.

Roadkill_Rob 9 years, 6 months ago


I think yourworstnightmare is making a point that you've used several socialized programs/agencies to help with all the hard-work you've done.

What I think is great about this country is that we can find a balance between socialism and capitalism to find the best solutions to an ever-changing world. Just like everything else, extreme capitalism and extreme socialism doesn't work.

alm77 9 years, 6 months ago

Bow, good for you. Our young family works hard everyday so we too can have what we want.

I tell my kids almost everyday "You're in charge of YOU."

I caucused for Obama and I think he'll make a great president who will unite us.

No matter who is office, I'm in charge of me and mine, and no tax bracket will make us stop working hard for what we want. People who are "on the county" aren't living high on the hog by any means and if they want to merely exist instead of working hard to live well, then by all means, it's a free country.

radrhett 9 years, 6 months ago

Apparently Bowhunter's work involves trolling the ljworld for hours on end and informing us how successful he is and how stupid liberals are. We get it. You are incredibly wealthy and are so successful that you have the free time to do Warren Buffett's taxes. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Logan5 9 years, 6 months ago

. . .working for Berkshire Hathaway. I think the point is that he makes the bulk of his income off of captial gains taxed at 15%.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 6 months ago

"I think yourworstnightmare is making a point that you've used several socialized programs/agencies to help with all the hard-work you've done."

Ding ding ding. You win the prize, Roadkill.

Apparently, a publicly-funded school system, publicly-funded transportation system, and police/fire department were of no help at all to Bootstrapper99 in his business success.

I do not doubt that you worked hard for your success, but to say you had no help from public infrastructure, paid for by my and others' tax dollars, is ludicrous.

Thagan 9 years, 6 months ago

Sorry your crush on Obama has kept you from looking into his background. Love can really mess with with your reasoning. But don't fight it, he's the best man for president.

Jcjayhawk1 9 years, 6 months ago

The 3 top issues (for me) for the upcoming election are:

a.) Economy & Taxes - Reducing taxes will help the economy. Eliminate the income tax. It and the lack of power over the federal reserve are directly prohibited by the constitution.

b.) War in Iraq - Unjustified. "Congress, not the President, shall have the power "To declare War, grant letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on Land and Water."- The constitution. Congress has yet to declare war on Iraq. We were victims on 911 and should not blame ourselves for that attack. However, we need to examine the inspiration for the attack.

c.) Big government - The majority of Americans do not trust the government period. Why do some continually ask for more government intervention and regulation?

truthhurts 9 years, 6 months ago

Wow Jcjayhawk1 - it sounds like you are someone who has actually read the Constitution and studied economics. There's only one party advocating what you ask for - the Libertarian Party. We'd love to have your help.

LiberalDude 9 years, 6 months ago

Question- Why does the LJW publish Cal Thomas? He's an idiot that wouldn't be qualified to write editorials for most college newspapers. I understand the LJW wanting to present a conservative point of view but there has to be some Republican more interesting and intelligent than Cal out there. Doesn't there?

Tom McCune 9 years, 6 months ago

Too bad Cal Thomas doesn't emulate his namesake Cal Coolidge. ("Silent Cal")

miker 9 years, 6 months ago

Can anyone remember when they thought the present administration would ever end in it's pursuit of the loot or the Golden Parachute to conservative heaven? Marking the days down , one by one , hour by hour. Then we get to find out how tough we Americans are cleaning up this mess. But , not in our lifetime. Not in my son's. The J/W needs to quit antagonizing it's readership with this drivel driven idiot from another century ! Please forward to Cal , he won't take my calls.

jumpin_catfish 9 years, 6 months ago

I haven't noticed any of the politicians worrying too much about how they will pay for their "great ideas", they just reach into our pockets. The leftist libos really get fired up when someone like Cal Thomas hits the nail on the head. None of these candidates (either party) deserve our trust and those who get all excited about these self proclaimed saviors need some mental health care.

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

"jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says:

I haven't noticed any of the politicians worrying too much about how they will pay for their "great ideas", they just reach into our pockets."

Not necessarily. Sometimes they reach into the pockets of out real and potential children.

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

"It's possible with the basic services the govt provides. No special handouts, just work: . . . I'm sure you were dissapointed that I wasn't some white boy from a wealthy family that's getting millions from government projects:"

No, but you were a boy from a dependable and stable family that had and instilled in you the values that you appear to currently cherish. I think that you're taking that for granted. You should, at any rate, count yourself lucky for that. The dream is much more possible without social help to someone of that background than someone coming from a different one. Which makes sense, as the American Dream exists to transmit that set of social values.

Jcjayhawk1 9 years, 6 months ago

Your Fed Reserve

Plank 5 Communist Manifesto

"Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."

Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

compmd 9 years, 6 months ago

twelvepackterry (Anonymous) says:

I want world peace.

"I'm sorry, we are the United States Government. We don't do that sort of thing."


Uncle Sam

I know this is Lawrence and everyone here is supposed to love Obama, but you don't know his past. You didn't see his rise to fame. You don't know the scandal that surrounded Jeri Ryan's husband (yes, that Jeri Ryan) and his campaign. You don't know how Richard Daley helped Obama take part in the Illinois senate race. Come on folks, Obama doesn't fart rainbows and crap lollipops, he's a man; not just any man, of course, he is a politician. Every politician has skeletons in his closet. Does this mean I don't like Obama? No, I do like him, and yes, I voted for him for senate. I think he is safer than Hillary and I think the shenanigans and tomfoolery that have taken place in his brief political life are more "old school" and less damaging to the public. I think he really does want to improve America, and I think he has the ability to succeed in that goal.

But he's a man, just like you and me. He is not our savior. He is another imperfect human being, remember that folks.

acg 9 years, 6 months ago

Hearing Cal rail against Obama just seals the deal for me. As for Dollypawpaw and RT, are we surprised they're incensed at the idea that a black man may be president? They're both as racist as the day is long, so go figure!

dotteboy 9 years, 6 months ago

Same old, same old, Cal Thomas moron.

On October 29, 2005, the IRS and the Free File Alliance reached a new four-year agreement to continue the Free File program. The new agreement contains important consumer protections and seeks to focus services on those taxpayers most in need. The agreement calls for services to be provided to 70 percent of the nation's taxpayers. The 70 percent equates to taxpayers with an AGI of $54,000 or less. The AGI level likely will change annually. -,,id=118993,00.html

The U.S. population is just over 300 million people (301,139,947 as of mid-2007) so the United States has the world's third largest population (following China and India).

70% of 301,139,947=210,797,962.9

That's at least $126,478,777,740 coming from the government (210,797,962.9 X $600) to people with incomes under 54K. We live in a consumer economy. Why, with 70% (roughly)of the tax paying population living on 54K or less are experts surprised sales lag? So we've decided to bail out our consumer economy with a tax rebate.

$126,478,777,740 goes to citizens to spend to revitalize our economy (pay bills, buy stuff), at banks and stores.

Who's sucking whose teat, Cal? We are just the straws.

LiberalDude 9 years, 6 months ago

"Obama doesn't fart rainbows and crap lollipops, he's a man; not just any man, of course, he is a politician"

I disagree. I think that he's more of a statesman than a politician which is why I like him so much. He's not the type of elected official who will tell you what you want to hear just to get elected. I think he will truly do what he thinks is best for the country. He doesn't take money from lobbyist organizations, so he won't have to answer to them when he's in the White House.

dotteboy 9 years, 6 months ago

What we have had right now is a situation where we've cut taxes for people who don't need them." Should government determine how much money people "need"? This is Marxism: "from each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

Obama should read the works of the Scottish moral philosopher Adam Smith, who said, "It is the highest impertinence and presumption : in kings and ministers to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, and to restrain their expense. They are themselves, always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society."

Cal should read the works of the Jewish moral philosopher St. Luke, who said, "Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need." (Acts 4:34-35)

acg 9 years, 6 months ago

And anytime his name is mentioned at all, dollypawpaw, your white racism just shines right thru.

Scott Tichenor 9 years, 6 months ago

Cal Thomas - the male Ann Coulter, maybe with a few more brain cells.

acg 9 years, 6 months ago

That's your idea of the joke of the century, rt? You have a lame sense of humor. I much more enjoyed your hero's right hand man blowing some lawyer's face off because he's too old, stupid and feeble to be able to tell the difference between a lawyer and a game bird. That was way funnier than Bill getting his knob slobbed by a chunky intern.

Mandie Eutsler 9 years, 6 months ago

my biggest problem with this entire post is the narrow thoughts posted one after the other. obama isn't trying to take money from those who have it. nobody is. bottom line is everyone has to pay a certain percentage of what they make. if you make more you pay more that's the way it is. what is 19% of $24000 is proportionate to 19% of $240,000. if we take all of the money spent on this "war" (although i'm confused about that since it was "mission accomplished" three months after it started) everyone could have already had coverage this whole time. all we have to show for this debacle is a record deficit,(which will be much larger after this so-called stimulus package they are using to buy the votes of people less likely to vote republican), a clear path to full blown recession, 20,000+ morbidly wounded soldiers, 4,00 dead, and the hatred of the rest of the world (except for tony blair). the "defense" budget is too large since we aren't defending anything at this time. it seems we are currently on offense. yes that's right i said it offense. we went to war because we were told that a country that has no air force, not much of an army, and had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks had wmd's (which they dont'), were a great threat to us. or maybe we just needed the oil. either way it's astounding how many people are bitching about taxes to come when in fact they are the ones who will pay less in the end. if you don't make 7 figures, don't worry about it. bottom line: the government has a responsibility to it's people. not everyone has the same opportunities, not every poor person is on food stamps, every poor person is not out for a handout, most of them just have no education and never had an opportunity to get one. maybe you are lucky and don't know what it's like to come from an alcoholic, drug addicted household and had to be the only adult at age 12. misfortune happens more often than not and those people need help and should be helped. all of you self important fools should wake up, an obama style government isn't going to take more than you can give. not like the current administration already has.

jonas 9 years, 6 months ago

dolly: I usually can at least follow your posts, even if they seem to me to be the product of someone who is either totally naive, or at least looking for someone to irritate with their ramblings, but your 8:34 post yesterday actually threw me. What in the world were you talking about?

akt2 9 years, 6 months ago

I fear the millions of campaign dollars being spent, are for not. We will not have a black president and we will not have a woman president.

beatrice 9 years, 6 months ago

I love that the neocons are going to be left out in the cold during the coming election. About time. If the candidates upset the likes of Ann Coulter, Cal Thomas, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, and little rt and dollyp., then it must be good for America.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 6 months ago

Obama is one bright dude and no doubt a quick study. His brain cells are fired up and ready to roll.

Hillary thinking she should have the job because she is a woman named Clinton is clear off base. Now if there was a Kucinich thinking woman or a woman thinking like Laura Flanders or Amy Goodman I say bring her on and let's put that woman in office.

Clintons are too close to Lieberman and the Bush family of policians. Hillary too is using the scare tactic. Mideast people across the board do not want destroy america or slaughter americans. They are peace loving people who have nothing against the USA. Speculation tells me 99% of people on the planet are sick and tried of war.

Now mideast people may want to kill Bush and Cheney for what they have done but I would rather see them rot in solitary confinement aka prison.

People abroad do not hate americans. Do we hate people who love abroad? Of course not. It isn't the people that invade other countries it is terrorist leaders like Bush/Cheney, Stalin and Hitler.

We need diplomats in office not folks who believe you have to use military power to prove one is tough enough. It is my belief at this point that Obama can be that person who represents diplomacy, has economic sense and will without a doubt become a partner in dealing with worldwide pollution. It is my contention that Obama can step into the White House with complete confidence.

beatrice 9 years, 6 months ago

"Shebeast or Oprahma"?

Why, do you possibly mean Senator Clinton and Senator Obama? It is funny, but name-calling usually stops with people by the time they are out of grade-school. But please, keep it up. It helps prove the point that neocons have nothing of substance to offer beyond childish behavior toward those with whom they disagree.

America is tired of the Republicans in general and the neocons specifically. Clinton or Obama will be our next president.

If not, it will be McCain, who the neocons hate.

God bless America.

more_cowbell 9 years, 6 months ago

"For those who are cohabiting, that was once the order of things, before disorderly social conduct took over."

Says Cal.

If he writes a column supporting the right of gays and lesbians to have their marriages legally recognized as such, then I'll take his statement quoted above as legitimate.

Otherwise, he's a hypocrite of the worst kind. A moralizer who excludes people from his moral universe based on their essential being.

Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice" and prohibiting gay and lesbian marriage is just as hypocritical as prohibiting interracial marriage.

I use that last example specifically in reference to Barack Obama's parents. In Cal's nostalgic social order, Obama's parents would have had trouble having their marriage legally recognized, must less accepted.

You can keep your "order of things", Cal Thomas (and those who agree with Cal Thomas' quote above). Preferably where it does not come into any exposure to sunlight.

camper 9 years, 6 months ago

Just a random comment...and no knock on anyone at all. But it seems we (myself included) view things as mutally exclusive. Like you are either a liberal or conservative, republican or democarat....and there being no truth to the other opposing viewpoint. Sometimes we over-use it to categorize. Sure this is just good political debate, but more sinister fascists have used this polarization technique to accomplish many bad objectives .... throughout history. I think there is truth in both sides, and there are many more than two outcomes to most things. On appearence, a coin has two sides....but if you look closer, it has three.

camper 9 years, 6 months ago

The left and right both use it. Lets not fool ourselves.

camper 9 years, 6 months ago

If you are not left, and you are not right, does this make one a centrist? I don't know. Sounds like bad logic.

camper 9 years, 6 months ago

Maybe there are three clasifications:

1) Those who view two mutually exclusive viewpoints 2)) Those who believe in #1 listed above, but acknowledge an abberation sometimes called a "centrist". 3) And those who are open to all all ideas, and acknowledge many different viewpoints (thus expanding that there could even be more than three).

camper 9 years, 6 months ago

I also read when I am on the pot. Sometimes I even shave. I haven't done it yet, but I have heard of people who talk on the phone (while on the pot). many un-deciders.

standuporget 9 years, 6 months ago

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says:

Obama would stop rewarding companies for taking jobs to other countries, unlike Bush, you need to check who made that possible. Beatrice says Clinton or Obama will be our next president. If not, it will be McCain Wow

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