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Growing diversity in ‘swing counties’ may favor Obama

August 10, 2008

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— Minority Americans have been flocking to the nation's "swing counties," hotly contested areas that could play a crucial role in this year's election.

That's got to be good news for Barack Obama, bidding to become the first black president.

Blacks and Hispanics are moving to counties that already were racially diverse, such as Osceola in central Florida and Mecklenberg in North Carolina, home to Charlotte. They also are moving to key counties that remain predominantly white, such as Lake in Northeast Ohio, Lehigh in eastern Pennsylvania and Oakland outside Detroit.

If this year's election is as close as the past two, demographic shifts in these counties could make a big difference.

National changes

The racial changes reflect national trends: 93 percent of all counties are less white than they were at the start of the decade, according to new Census estimates. But the changes are even more profound in swing counties of potential battleground states, counties that were decided by razor-thin margins in 2000 and 2004 and could decide statewide winners this year.

"The key this time is there are a fair number of battleground states that are becoming more diverse, and maybe diverse enough to make a difference," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.

"The diversity used to be mainly in pretty safe states, like Texas, California and New York," he said.

Minorities increasing

The Census Bureau last week released 2007 data on race, age and Hispanic origin for all 3,141 counties in the nation. The Associated Press used the data to analyze 129 key counties in 14 states expected to be the most competitive in this year's presidential election. Each county was decided by no more than 5 percentage points in the past two elections, and each sits in a state that could go either way this year.

The analysis showed that from 2000 to 2007, minorities made up a growing share of the population in all but 12 of the swing counties. The changes happened among every age group, even seniors, though they were much more pronounced among the young, including those too young to vote.

Obama, who had a white mother and black father, overwhelmingly won the black vote in the Democratic primaries, and he is polling more strongly than Republican John McCain among Hispanics.

Obama also has a big lead among voters younger than 34, according to a recent AP-Ipsos poll. But while young voters have increased their turnout in recent elections, they are still less likely to vote than any other age group.

Obama "may be generating excitement," said Vincent Hutchings, associate professor of political science at the University of Michigan. "But is he generating enough enthusiasm to excite people who lack a formal education and are disproportionately young, and not likely to vote?"

Hutchings said the demographic changes could affect this year's election, but he expects the impact to be greater in future elections as young minorities, particularly the booming Hispanic population, become older and more politically active.

More diverse

The Census numbers are based on estimates, and in some counties changes in racial composition are small enough to be statistically insignificant. But the trend is clear: The nation is becoming increasingly diverse, even more so in areas that have been decisive the past two presidential elections.

The AP analysis looked at counties in Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. Nevada also was analyzed because it is a competitive state this year. None of the state's counties met the criteria for swing counties in the previous two elections, but each has become more diverse since the decade began.

Some states are more competitive than others, and many of the counties remained overwhelmingly white. But given the closeness of the past two presidential elections, even small changes could make a difference in competitive states.

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Navin_R_Johnson 5 years, 8 months ago

autie (Anonymous) says: "Golly Navin. I was just coming from the standpoint that the boards were all about opinions and stuff. I would applaud Agnostick for voicing that opinion, whether you or others think it makes any sense or not. And golly, with all the glorious sentence structure and big words and such, it is easy to see you are pretty much just so full of yourself you have to spill it all over us."thanks for such a well thought out and succinct response.unfortunately, you were just the convenient vehicle by which to inquire of Agnostic what the centrist position is for this election. i am always morbidly interested in his opinion on all things.no offense intended. and even though i am very much "full of myself," you do understand, i hope, that it would be virtually impossible for me to be full of anyone else.autie, i come in peace; my people mean you no harm. now lighten up and go have a drink to unbind your colon.peace :)

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

"By the way, this is bush's mess..."That's odd, I thought it was Russia that invaded Georgia.

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

"Russia has invaded Georgia, is killing civilians, and bombing the only Asian oil pipeline that it doesn't control.Where is Obama? Body surfing and eating shaved ice in Hawaii. Very presidential. Very Bushlike. Bush is running around the Olympics-ogling the female sand volleyball players. McCain is the candidate looking presidential this week. Let's see if it shows in next week's polls."And yet we hear nothing of how presumptuous it is of McCain to play President. Must be that "liberal" media bias showing up again. By the way, this is bush's mess, what can Obama do other than issue the sort of statement he's issued and stay out of the President's way. You ask me he's the one acting more responsibly. McCain's slobbering all over himself at the prospects of another opportunity to play bush-league cowboy.

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janeyb 5 years, 8 months ago

Russia has invaded Georgia, is killing civilians, and bombing the only Asian oil pipeline that it doesn't control.Where is Obama? Body surfing and eating shaved ice in Hawaii. Very presidential. Very Bushlike. Bush is running around the Olympics--ogling the female sand volleyball players. McCain is the candidate looking presidential this week. Let's see if it shows in next week's polls.

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stillcoolandhere 5 years, 8 months ago

BigPrune (Anonymous) says: Vote for Obama or we'll see riots in every city if he isn't elected.Nope- I have seen all the dirty talk from the redstate redneck whitetrashers who will start a civil war if Obama wins....look out for danger on the way- they will not loose and sit down.....they might have to be put down....

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

Meanwhile... Osama bin Laden... still runs free...--Ag

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beatrice 5 years, 8 months ago

I find that puzzling. Why would the administration not seek attention about yellowcake as a potential WMD when they have for so long desperately sought any form of confirmation or justification for the invasion? It either makes no sense at all and goes completely against grain for this administration, or you are mistaken in your views on the subject.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

No, Beatrice, he wasn't a "liar," but I strongly disagreed, and still disagree, with what he said - as I have on a number of occasions during his presidency.

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

Wow... lots of catching up to do here. Let's get started...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Bowhunter99 (Anonymous) says:what makes people believe that non-whites are all going to line up behind a black candidate over a white candidate simply because of race?_______Probably the same thing that makes some people believe that whites are all going to line up behind a white candidate over a black candidate simply because of... irrational fear.--Ag

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beatrice 5 years, 8 months ago

cato, was President Bush a liar then when he said in August 2006 that Iraq didn't have WMDs? As far as anyone "proving" that the weapons aren't there, it is impossible to prove a negative. Prove that Big Foot doesn't exist or that the Loch Ness Monster isn't alive and well or that little green men don't live on the dark side of the moon and they all just hide whenever we look for them. Please prove those things don't exist. There were no WMDs, yellowcake uranium does not a WMD make, and Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on 9/11 (again, if you dispute this, you are calling our President a liar).Vote for the guy who question the war all along. Vote for Obama for President of the United States of America!

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beatrice 5 years, 8 months ago

Bowhunter: "Family Values: Are you referring to the scandal around the Democrat the finished the race as #2 (Clinton and her cheating husband) or #3 (Edwardsw screwing the tv crew)?"Probably talking about #1, the non-cheating Obama, compared to the #1 Republican, who is the cheating John McCain who had adulterous affairs and dumped his ill wife for a filthy rich sorority girl young enough to be his daughter. He married Cindy just one month after divorcing his first wife, Carol. He did this despite her waiting for his return from Vietnam. I'm pretty sure those are the family values in question. Please do continue to ask, however. It helps put McCain in the correct context among the female voters who supported Hillary Clinton and might still have some questions on who to vote for in November.Obama for President!

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BigPrune 5 years, 8 months ago

Vote for Obama or we'll see riots in every city if he isn't elected.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Why should I? They weren't addressed to me, and they're not worth responding to anyway.

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

When will you comment on Agnostick's 1:18 questions, Cato?

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max1 5 years, 8 months ago

"Barak Obama is an elitist. He appeals to the more uneducated, ignorant voters of America." -Solutions101No, your group is actually in McCain's camphttp://www.gallup.com/poll/108043/Candidate-Support-Education.aspxCandidate support by education

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Stuckup, yes, I saw it in real time - I wouldn't have said so if I hadn't. No one, including Mr. Doofus Ritter, has proven that the weapons weren't there, all intelligence sources said that they were, there was plenty of yellowcake uranium (despite Wilson's lies) and the opportunities for hiding the weapons were endless.

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autie 5 years, 8 months ago

Golly Navin. I was just coming from the standpoint that the boards were all about opinions and stuff. I would applaud Agnostick for voicing that opinion, whether you or others think it makes any sense or not. And golly, with all the glorious sentence structure and big words and such, it is easy to see you are pretty much just so full of yourself you have to spill it all over us. Thanks for such an enlightened vision. I'm sure we'll all think twice now.

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Navin_R_Johnson 5 years, 8 months ago

autie:"Look at it this way, Agnostick. Better to have posted and be called stupid than to have never posted at all."i completely disagree, it is more pragmatic to remain silent and thought stupid than to post (or open yer piehole) and remove all doubt. most here should completely ignore your ill conceived advice.btw, agnostic-ator, as a centrist, who will you be voting for: the global marxist, sock puppet or the other guy? neither fits the standard centrist model. you will be forced to emerge from your cocoon of bland androgyny and vote for one or the other; because, as you well know, the orthodox centrist has to find and write in an inert eunich incapable of decision or action, and we all know, unfortunately, what a narrow field of potential candidates that is. i hope you are able to overcome inertia to answer this all important question that all centrists are eagerly awaiting your guidance to. of course attempting conversation with phlegmatic, stolid, and inanimate objects is a lot like talking to a wall; which, well...you can figure out the rest of my comment. tough vote for you this year. best of luck in your endeavor!peace

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 8 months ago

"swing counties,"? That's a stretch for a guy that is the second coming that is in a dead heat with w/ a GOP has been.

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Andrew Stahmer 5 years, 8 months ago

but, Andrew Stahmer started by posting political mumbo-jumbo about Obama changing his mind on everything:which lead to McCains "flip-flops" being listed:and so on and so forth:That was a pretty impressive list. I'm curious though...what kind of timespan does it cover..?? Is it McCain's entire career as a politician? Or, as with Obama--is it just this year alone?http://www.newyorkerstore.com/product_details.asp?sid=125383&gclid=CN-HxsvehpUCFQLBsgod-Q55qg

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autie 5 years, 8 months ago

Look at it this way, Agnostick. Better to have posted and be called stupid than to have never posted at all. Unless it was to post to call someone stupid. Then you don't get a fruit pie when Obama is elected..

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malcolm_x_obama 5 years, 8 months ago

autie,I didn't miss anything, Agnostick made a stupid post. Typical of agnostick to post stupidity.

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autie 5 years, 8 months ago

speaking of off base, did I hear that if Obama is elected, each and every one of us gets a fruit pie?

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autie 5 years, 8 months ago

Ag, I'm not sure I read that correctly..but when I first read your post about "swingtown" I viewed it as a little play on words relating to the Steve Miller Band?? did malcolm obama miss that or am I way off base?

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malcolm_x_obama 5 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick (Anonymous) says: "Swingcounty?"Is that anything like "Swingtown?"+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++No stupid, it is not!

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

There's plenty of marital infidelity and sexual indiscretion on both sides of the aisle... neither party, really, has a stellar track record of practicing what they preach, when it comes to "family values."Assuming, of course, that we still have concrete definitions of "family" and "values."Wanna talk "family values?" Talk about the "value" of the dollars that our "families" have to live on.--Ag

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Diversity: "Edwards Money Man Raising Cash for Obama?August 11, 2008 3:51 PMThe Dallas Morning News over the weekend profiled Fred Baron, the chairman of Sen. John Edwards' campaign finance committees in both his 2004 and 2008 presidential campaigns.Baron also, as you may know, has been paying significant lumps of cash to Edwards' former mistress Rielle Hunter, and others involved in the scandal.Baron claims Edwards knew nothing about it, and Edwards told ABC News Friday the same.The article states that Baron is currently "raising money for nominee-to-be Barack Obama."Really?This morning I asked the Obama campaign if they would comment on whether Baron is fundraising for the campaign. Some people might find that inappropriate. The campaign has yet to respond, but I will let you know when and if they do.- jpt"http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/edwards-money-m.html

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 8 months ago

Family Values... Are you referring to the scandal around the Democrat the finished the race as #2 (Clinton and her cheating husband) or #3 (Edwardsw screwing the tv crew)?

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Daytrader23 5 years, 8 months ago

How to shut up the republican right this election..Say two words.Family Values.

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1029 5 years, 8 months ago

Diversity is one of the great threats to our conservative ideology. If we don't stop diversity from spreading no one will vote for republicans no more, society will lose its morals and family values and hard-working true Americans will be taxed into poorness. Please vote for republicans at all costs!

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

Daytrader23 good point...and don't worry about not discussing what the article is about...none of us are...well... except Tom Shewmon...but, Andrew Stahmer started by posting political mumbo-jumbo about Obama changing his mind on everything...which lead to McCains "flip-flops" being listed...and so on and so forth...pretty typical stuff... this...

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Daytrader23 5 years, 8 months ago

Sorry I didn't read the article, Family Values. I just wanted to come in and talk about family values which in the first time in umpteen years the republicans have nothing to say about family values one of their core beliefs, Family Values.Family Values

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Daytrader23 5 years, 8 months ago

"Obama wins swing states" Could it be that he has 10 times the family values as that other guy, whats his name? Oh yeah, McCheater.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

"intellectual vacuity"~chuckle~did you really see that in real-time? really? in real-time?how about Powell's slide-show... did you see that in real-time?talk about intellectual vacuity...Ritter was right...Powell was wrong... and worse, he knew he was wrong...still no dispute of any of the flip-flop claims about McCain...just more political gibberish to dodge the issue at hand:

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Stuckupthemiddle, one of Ritter's most famous doofus lines occurred prior to our liberation of Iraq during a televised interview, which I saw in real time, when he was asked whether he had ever seen any mobile weapons labs when he was in Iraq. He angrily pounded his fist on the table and said, "The whole time I was there, I never saw one mobile weapons lab." The intellectual vacuity of this guy was similarly evident on many other occasions. It was real mistake ever to have involved him in this process.

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

Bottom line:1) Did John McCain criticize Barack Obama for making a campaign speech in another nation?2) Did John McCain then go and the same thing that he had previously criticized Barack Obama for doing--that is, making a campaign speech in another nation?--Ag

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

~chuckle~speaking of sources... I'd love to see a source on this:"Scott Ritter, one of the most infamously incapable people who has ever been employed by the U.S. government?"I don't know much about Scott Ritter but I do know that he famously told the world that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destructions before all the US bombing and invading...

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Pilgrim 5 years, 8 months ago

Andrew Stahmer (Andrew Stahmer) says:I've been thinking (yes really) and trying to figure out: is it a strength of Obama that he is constantly changing his mind/views? Is that a weakness/fault? If he has a view you don't like (ex: oil drilling) there is a fair chance he might change his mind. The problem with that of course is that if he has a position you like:he could very well change it to the opposite. Does he do it based on polls? Does he change his mind and sometimes follows polls and sometimes doesn't? ******Andrew, it all depends on which way the wind is blowing and how the looney left wants to spin it. If McCain changes his position on an issue, he "flip-flops." If Barry changes his position on an issue (something he has done as much or more than McCain), he is "open-minded" or "open to alternative views." But the bottom line is, it's all looney left spin.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Jhwk2008, do you have any idea at all what a pile of trash your canned propaganda "video" is? Do you know anything at all about Scott Ritter, one of the most infamously incapable people who has ever been employed by the U.S. government? Do you know anything about the life-long ambitions of Wesley Clark? I could go on, but specifically, are you aware of the way in which this "video" quotes Senator McCain completely out of context in referring to asking young people to serve their country? It's pure propaganda trash - for that matter, it could have been assembled by Micheal Moore - and represents exactly what I said about citing left-wing propaganda on this site in lieu of fact. You should be ashamed.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

I'm going to look under the couch cushions. Hope I can find some Change.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

autie Exactly!I couldn't decide what to do / who to vote for in November... no way I could vote for McCain or Obama...but after seeing the Paris video I decided to write her in...she's smart, cute and clever... which beats anything those two have to show...

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

cato_the_elder says: "To say that Senator McCain was for or against something at an earlier time and has taken a different position later, with absolutely no backup information or citation to any authority for the assertion, would get him an "F" in any reputable high school class."Okay, I'll play your little game of attacking the source, but not its accuracy.http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflopsHowever, once you get done attacking the source, why don't you refute one of the now 72 flip-flops? Each one of the 72 flip-flops is true.I'll give you an example of how to do it. Let's check out #72: McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.1) Go to the above website.2) See how "before he was against it" is underlined. Click on that.3) Read the link. "In his interview with NBC's Kelly O'Donnell, which will air on NBC's Nightly News tonight, McCain questions whether Obama should have given a speech in Berlin before becoming president."I would rather speak at a rally or a political gathering any place outside of the country after I am president of the United States," McCain told O'Donnell. "But that's a judgment that Sen. Obama and the American people will make." However, on June 20, McCain himself gave a speech in Canada -- to the Economic Club of Canada -- in which he applauded NAFTA's successes. An implicit message behind that speech was that Obama had been critical of the trade accord. Also, McCain's trip to Canada was paid for by the campaign."Any explanation?

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 8 months ago

This shift may show that white upwardly mobile people who have moved in an attempt to keep their worlds intact, have indeed then been followed by a select group of minorities and this put the minorities in agreement with the afore mentioned people on the state of affairs. As minorities have been left in crumbling infrastructures, failing schools and miserable crime statistics when the money was re-allocated elsewhere they realized they also needed to act and too headed out to the burbs. Obama is appealing to a distinct class of minorities likely for this very reason. The minorities who stayed behind are not real happy with Obama from all indications. This is good to me of course, as it shows that some members of minorities realize they have the same opportunities and do not buy into the race-baiting game.

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autie 5 years, 8 months ago

I think we should all just write in Paris Hilton. At least she has an energy policy that makes some sense..and she is hot..well, kind of anyway.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

cato_the_elder that's some classic political gibberish...again... dispute one single claim... or again... consider sparing us the truly ridiculous ramblings...by the way... your use of the term "leftist" leads me to guess that you're some kind of ditto-head or some such political sheep...an O'Reilly disciple, maybe?as for me... I have no political beliefs or philosophy... other than I know for certain that when people start talking politics it causes them to spout the most ridiculous b.s....

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

cato_the_elder says:"Jhwk2008, would you care to identify the sources of the quotes from Senator McCain that you posted?"Cato, watch the video. McCain appears at 3:57. The quotes are from Jan 7, 18 and 22, 2008. I can't quite see when the CNN quote was made.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Jhwk2008, would you care to identify the sources of the quotes from Senator McCain that you posted?

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Stuckupthemiddle, the canned assertions cited by Jhwk2008 are very simplistic statements that due to their brevity don't tell the whole story, which is quite typical of the garbage that one sees on radical leftist websites. To say that Senator McCain was for or against something at an earlier time and has taken a different position later, with absolutely no backup information or citation to any authority for the assertion, would get him an "F" in any reputable high school class. In fact, it's so ridiculous as to be embarrassing. My point is simply that he obviously hasn't been keeping his own daily updated list of Senator McCain's alleged sins on his refrigerator, and hasn't researched any of them. He can't think on his own, and merely re-posts the canned gossip that he sees somewhere else, like many of his leftist buddies who post on this site. Are you one of them?

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

cato_the_elder says:"Jhwk2008, from which left-wing blog site did you harvest the tired, canned information you posted above? It's getting old to see all of you left-wing pinheads who can't think for yourselves act as shills for Soros et al. Don't you have more self-respect than that?"Did you really just call me a "pinhead"? From where did you get that Cato? Bill O'Really? So you're the patriot then? Care to refute any of the 61 points? Has anyone seen this video? It's very disturbing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU... few select quotes:McCain: "And I'm sorry to tell ya that we're gonna be in further wars. . . . And we were in two wars today, combatting it, and there are other places in the world where we may have to. These young people that are in this crowd, my friends, I'm gonna be asking you to serve.""There's gonna be more wars. There's gonna be more wars. We're in a greater struggle that is gonna be with us for the rest of this century.""It's a tough war we're in. It's not gonna be over right away. There's gonna be other wars. I'm sorry to tell you, there's gonna be other wars."Pat Buchanan: "He will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

Andrew Stahmer: Get a clue, please...http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.aspAnother good sign that Barack Obama doesn't subscribe to the false patriotism that neoconservatives seem to worship.Flags on lapels, flags on hats, flags on buildings. Flags are nice, but I'd rather have a president that focused on a slightly-more important component of the United States of America.http://www.usconstitution.netI'm not sure who my candidate is, yet. More than two months from Election Day, lots of things can happen. Lots of information to wade through--but I think both McCain and Obama offer strengths and weaknesses.Oh, and actual issues rate a bit higher than wardrobe. For me--though not necessarily for you, understandably.--Ag

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

"Keep up the good work, stuck, you'll get that Order of Lenin yet."and more gibberish...but, by all means... keep it up...it makes a point much clearer than I can...

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

"stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says: cato_the_elder you should try disputing and single one of the claims about McCain that Jhwk posted:or consider shutting up:"Keep up the good work, stuck, you'll get that Order of Lenin yet.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 8 months ago

And many here suffer from a variation of autism-----Asperger's Syndrome. "They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest." (Hating a president)------------------------------------------"It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently." (highly distorted far-left ideology)-------------------------------------------"Because of their high degree of functionality and their naivete, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying." ("I think I'm smarter than you albeit seriously detached from reality)http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.htmlWell, thanks for the laughs Scott and Agnostick.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

trying to make some sense of this gibberish:"If you don't vote for Obama you're a bigot. I'm curious how people will actually vote since we'll be able to do it anonymously."having no luck...

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BigPrune 5 years, 8 months ago

If you don't vote for Obama you're a bigot. I'm curious how people will actually vote since we'll be able to do it anonymously.

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

When you cannot contest the points made in an argument, here is a favorite tactic of the McSame apologist:"Jhwk2008, from which left-wing blog site did you harvest the tired, canned information you posted above? It's getting old to see all of you left-wing pinheads who can't think for yourselves act as shills for Soros et al. Don't you have more self-respect than that?"Note the absolute absence of any relevant discussion of the merits and generous use of derogatory name calling.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 8 months ago

cato_the_elder you should try disputing and single one of the claims about McCain that Jhwk posted...or consider shutting up...

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Jhwk2008, from which left-wing blog site did you harvest the tired, canned information you posted above? It's getting old to see all of you left-wing pinheads who can't think for yourselves act as shills for Soros et al. Don't you have more self-respect than that?

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barrypenders 5 years, 8 months ago

I'm voting for Obama because he is half white.I want to see the first half white become president.I also want to say that the color of a man's skin doesn't matter to me.It's his ability to change his opinion on matters that is the most important.

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

"Sadly, as of this writing, those in the first group seem to greatly outweigh those in the second group."True that, but the key is to not give in to the ignorance and deliberate lies. Besides, we all know now that some of the more infamous posters here don't really believe their silly posts. They're just racking up points in the Frequent Liars Club in hopes of some worthless McCain tricket.

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

scott,right_thinker suffers from severe political autism--he spends 99% of his time in an imaginary dream state filled with demons, doom and disaster. The chance that a small dose of reality will reach through to him in a moment's lucidity is rather small.I quit trying a long, long time ago... but I admire you, scott, for your diligence. :)I think certain individuals will, sadly, focus on things like skin color... surname... religion (both the candidate's stated faith, and what faith these individual's imagine a candidate to have)... spouse... children... and a host of other irrelevant components.More intelligent voters will concern themselves with policy, voting records, experience, ideas, and issues.Sadly, as of this writing, those in the first group seem to greatly outweigh those in the second group.Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.independentvoting.orghttp://www.bipartisanbridge.org

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

Snap:How many Americans believe Bigfoot lurks in the woods, or that little green men from Mars landed at Roswell, New Mexico, or that george bush won the 2000 election (or 2004 for that matter.) The mainstream media can get the majority of people to believe all sorts of foolishness. The spirit of P.T Barnum is alive and well in politics, weight loss aids and all manner of late night TV advertising. What would be infinitely more interesting is a hard and fast study of whether this liberal bias actually exists. I sure do wonder why we see so little of that!!

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Agnostick 5 years, 8 months ago

"Swingcounty?"Is that anything like "Swingtown?"

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

Tom:There is an error in your assumption. The "liberal" media is a figment of hate-radio broadcaster's vivid imagination. The mainstream media is wholly owned and controlled by large corporate interests who's interests are alligned with the conservative Republicans. It functions as the right's propaganda organ. Viewed correctly, the constant trumpeting of race is entirely understandable. Conservatives hope to scare sufficient numbers of ignorant American's about the scary black candidate in hopes that they will vote for the unbalanced, unprincipled, old white male candidate.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

"55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign CashVoters overwhelmingly believe that politicians will "break the rules to help people who give them a lot of money," but most say there's a bigger problem in politics today-media bias. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 55% believe media bias is more of a problem than big campaign contributions. Thirty-six percent (36%) disagree and think that campaign cash is a bigger problem. People believe media bias is a bigger problem even though 63% believe most politicians will break the rules to help campaign contributors. Just 14% believe most politicians would refrain from breaking the rules for a donor. Forty-four percent (44%) say that lobbyists and campaign contributors have too much influence on John McCain's positions. Forty percent (40%) say the same about Barack Obama. Just 22% believe it would be a good idea to ban all campaign commercials so that voters could receive information on the campaign only from the news media and the internet. Sixty-six percent (66%) disagree and think that, despite the annoyance factor, it's better to put up with an election-year barrage of advertising rather than rely on the news media. An earlier survey found that 49% believe most reporters are trying to help Barack Obama win the election this year. Just 14% believe they're trying to help McCain. Another survey found that the news you watch says a lot about how you will vote. Not surprisingly, Republicans are the most likely to see media bias as the bigger problem. Eighty-one percent (81%) of the GOP faithful hold that view. Democrats and unaffiliated voters are more evenly divided. Obama's Party, by a narrow 50% to 41% margin, say that campaign cash is the bigger issue. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 47% say media bias is the problem while 43% hold the opposite view. Fifty-three percent (53%) of liberals see campaign contributions as a bigger problem than media bias. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives hold the opposite view. Among the moderates, 49% say media bias is the problem while 42% disagree." http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 8 months ago

OK, excuse me but my rural ignorance is really hindering me here.Is race an issue or not, because that's all we hear about this election year? When a conservative utters anything about race, we're a racist, but the criminal enterprise of the mainstream media bangs this drum 24/7. Who wants to give me a good laugh and try to straighten me out on this?

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invictus 5 years, 8 months ago

The Democrats are banking illegitimacy and illegal immigration to rise to power. It might be a good strategy. All hail the slumlords.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 8 months ago

Where did you copy/paste all that from, jhwk2008?

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 8 months ago

what makes people believe that non-whites are all going to line up behind a black candidate over a white candidate simply because of race?

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

Politics and Associations53. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn't. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)54. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.55. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.56. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.57. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.58. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.59. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.60. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.61. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was "corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff's gay lover." McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

Immigration Policy44. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.45. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.46. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders "before proceeding to other reform measures." Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he'd never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his "top priority."Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law47. McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.48. McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.49. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform50. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.51. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.52. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

Economic Policy31. McCain was against Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.32. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated," and "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a "very strong" understanding of economics.33. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.34. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.35. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.36. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."37. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.38. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.Energy Policy39. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he's against it.40. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.41. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.42. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.43. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

Military Policy14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.18. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.Domestic Policy19. McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)20. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.21. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.22. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.23. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.24. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.25. McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.26. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.27. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.28. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.29. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.30. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

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jhwk2008 5 years, 8 months ago

Andrew Stahmer says:"I've been thinking (yes really) and trying to figure out: is it a strength of Obama that he is constantly changing his mind/views?"Too bad this doesn't stick because John "the Double Talk Express" has changed his positions more than Obama. And here's a list. National Security Policy1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.Foreign Policy7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.8. McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

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Solutions101 5 years, 8 months ago

The Democratic party have an elitist approach and philosophy. Barak Obama is an elitist. He appeals to the more uneducated, ignorant voters of America. The liberal news also go along the elitist attitude while restricting readers of non-bias, viable, useful information; thus, instead of educating the audience, the overpowering intelligence remains at breech."If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."

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Andrew Stahmer 5 years, 8 months ago

I've been thinking (yes really) and trying to figure out: is it a strength of Obama that he is constantly changing his mind/views? Is that a weakness/fault? If he has a view you don't like (ex: oil drilling) there is a fair chance he might change his mind. The problem with that of course is that if he has a position you like...he could very well change it to the opposite. Does he do it based on polls? Does he change his mind and sometimes follows polls and sometimes doesn't? Is there a psychic out there that could perhaps make it clear to us what Mr. Obama really stands for and won't change his position on? Anyone? How do you Obama supporters keep up? Is there a 'score card' available somewhere? Does his website keep an updated grid on where he strands day-by-day?(in other Obamanation news)Yet another example of Mr. Obama's distaste for the American flag:http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70236

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