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FBI investigates attacks on scientists

August 4, 2008

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— The FBI is investigating two firebombings targeting scientists at the University of California, Santa Cruz, as the latest in a rash of attacks against biomedical researchers who experiment on animals, authorities said.

One scientist and his family, including two small children, were forced to flee from a second-story window Saturday after a firebomb was lit on their front porch, filling the off-campus house with smoke, Santa Cruz police said. An adult was treated for minor injuries at a hospital and released.

Police were investigating the attack as attempted murder, said Santa Cruz police Capt. Steve Clark.

"That device had a real potential to put that family in jeopardy," Clark said. He described the bomb as a "Molotov cocktail on steroids."

A sprinkler system and a neighbor with a garden hose helped keep the fire from spreading before firefighters arrived to extinguish it, Clark said.

Also Saturday morning, a firebomb destroyed a car belonging to another researcher parked at faculty housing on campus. Investigators said they were treating the attacks as "domestic terrorism."

The attacks came four days after police obtained threatening animal rights pamphlets left at a Santa Cruz coffeehouse containing the names and home addresses of UC Santa Cruz scientists.

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bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

just in case anyone wants a more detailed/more current story on this:http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_10093645these aren't the first attacks in Santa Cruz, nor the first in California. so, it seems there's a concerted effort by the animal rights terrorists. ***wonder what the Santa Cruz folks would think of ol' Loggy...he/she already has solved the case!

bondmen 6 years, 4 months ago

Anti-science radical extremists who place animall rights a bove human rights willingly destroy property and people who they disagree with. I wonder what is their view of evolution and the Holy Bible?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Domestic terrorist, another effect of global warming.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

"elucidating" "vilifying"Been into the Roget's, have we?

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 4 months ago

hmmm...using bombs to try and force changes in a society...who does that sound like?

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

ah, logie puts forth a nutty conspiracy theory! tells you a lot about his/her thought processes, and shows how little stock anyone should put in them. Animal experiments are cruel and arrogant, and mostly unnecessary.---wrong. many areas of research these are vital. no alternatives. this is simple repeating of uninformed drivvel. many many things require animal testing before they get to humans, including medications, viruses and vaccines, etc.
and yes apparently cruelty to animals trumps cruelty to people, their actions indicate. we have some of these greenie/wheenie animal rights activists here don't we. oh, one aside, some of these nutburgers actually protest the training and use of guide dogs for the blind!

Haiku_Cuckoo 6 years, 4 months ago

"Rightwingers always want to divert attention from the real story."Meanwhile, you post things like, "the country was led into this war on terror based on lies and deceptions". How does the war in Iraq relate to the story of scientists in Santa Cruz being targeted? Pot. Kettle. Black

jafs 6 years, 4 months ago

Animal experiments are cruel and arrogant, and mostly unnecessary.

staff04 6 years, 4 months ago

"Anti-science"bondmen calling someone anti-science?Hello, Pot.------------------------------Disclaimer: I think that the animal rights people and extremist environmentalist folks that do this kind of crap are as out of their minds as bondmen, and in no way condone their actions.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Worth repeating:"logrithmic (Anonymous) says: I'll only make one post on this article."

Sigmund 6 years, 4 months ago

jafs (Anonymous) says: "Animal experiments are cruel and arrogant, and mostly unnecessary."The cowardly bombing and attempted murder of scientists and their young children is cruel, arrogant, illegal, and also mostly unnecessary if for no other reason than they too are animals.

billbodiggens 6 years, 4 months ago

Aah, logrithmic, you may need to post again or at least read the article. These attacks were not on labs, but on the homes and families of scientists. Spouses and children were in jeopardy. Not a LOL situation. Not merely property attacks which are bad enough, by the way, for serious concern.

J Good Good 6 years, 4 months ago

I guess the people who think that animal experiments are not necessary NEVER take any medications, and are the first to line up to be human guinea pigs.

Jim Phillips 6 years, 4 months ago

I suppose that would be either Whoopi or Rosie.

Sigmund 6 years, 4 months ago

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

"It's interesting that the rightwing nutjobs want to get their knickers twisted over the "attacks" against these labs, which appear to be directed against property, not against people."Did you read the story? There was a firebomb on the front porch of a house where people were sleeping.

Jim Phillips 6 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone heard about the release of the new movie "Conspiracy Theory II" starring Tim Robbins as logrithmic?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Who was the woman on "The View" that thought the ancient Greeks threw Christians to the lions? She'd be a great addition to the loggy movie cast.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

I just reread the article, and "top secret" scientists is merely a fabrication of Loggy's very fevered mind! there is absolutely no indication in the article that they or their research was secret. these were biomedical researchers! poor Loggy, apparently needs a med adjustment. you think the anarchists/animal rights nuts are bad here? sheeeeesh. *I just want to add in agreement with JG, and opposition to Jafs,thus far, modern medicine has saved my life four times. at least twice I know that technology and procedures resulted from animal experimentation!so, thanks Jafs, I love you too. thanks for wishing me dead. don't just repeat the empty spewings of the animal rights nutburgers.

gr 6 years, 4 months ago

"gee bondmen i didn't know now that a 'position on evolutiion' is cricitcal to law enforcement ?"I believe lawbreaking was his point.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

Sad, but rightwingers have trouble elucidating complex thoughts with resorting to personal attacks. Vilifying me won't stop my posts rightwingers. Nor willa failure to challenge my ideas.---Loggy is really starting to sound a bit paranoid. and, you want big thoughts thunk out, I'm yer man buddy! Screedy, nicely done. I bet loggy doesn't know the difference between Davis and Santa Cruz! Santa Cruz makes Lawrence look like a nest of right-wing zealots by comparison. also, "top secret scientists," did I miss something, or is Loggy reading something into the article again??? even if they were "top secret" scientists, Loggy displays a complete failure to understand how a college town works, and that from someone supposedly living in Lawrence. your particular research might be secret, but if you're using animals, it won't be secret. furthermore, I question that UCSC (the fightin' Banana slugs) would carry out top secret research! Santa Cruz is a relatively small town, packed to the gills with far left nuts. most have some direct or indirect connect to UCSC! you can't "hide" animal research!I agree with Barrypenders, oh the lies that liberals tell. I knew that ol' Loggy couldn't be trusted on his "one post" claim. he's obviously trying to hijack this thread, an obvious indication of serious problems between his/her ears, and just plain rude. and his/her "false flag" megaconspiracy theory has one big hole in it: too many people would have to maintain the secret in the "government" (whatever that means). our government isn't efficient enough to properly provide healthcare, respond to energy shortage, or adequately protect us from chinese imports. However, there's this here part in the government, wow, its supersecret with thousands of members, and its superefficient. ***finally, I love the wacko conspiracy movie: directed by: Oliver Stone. of course, major funding and props would be provided by: Halliburton!

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

loggy, you think reptoids set those firebombs?

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

from the comment thread under the above article:XanthippeI VOTED!Joined: May 13, 2008Comments:190Santa Cruz, CAISP Location:Oakland, CAReply »|Report Abuse|#311 hr agoBlock quote startPam wrote:I don't get it, I love animals, I don't like animal testing and I hope we wake up one day and find other ways. But how in the heck do people put animalsabove humans? how do you justify possibly killing a child or anyone because of animal research, it's saying don't treat animals cruely but it's ok to killsomeone's child. WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS, you also just set your "cause" back by these stupid acts of violence, I truly pray that you are caught and caged.Block quote endThey are not animal rights activists (or terrorists if you prefer) because of their love for animals.It is because of their hatred for human beings.For the reading-impaired: I am not lumping all animal rights believers into this category, merely the ones like the firebombers, and apologists like Dr.Jerry Vlasak, who believe that violence is perfectly acceptable.----other comments included:a fake post supposed to be from the santa cruz chief of police, subtly, or not so subtly, encouraging violence against Borders. There was the obligatory "none of this testing would be necessary if cannabis were legal. and, like here, those posting questioning the priorities of the authorities, citing more common crime threats facing average citizens in Santa Cruz. there were also, [shocking I know] trolls.

Jim Phillips 6 years, 4 months ago

So now President Bush is the ringleader of Murder Inc. Now that's just special. You guys should get out and meet people. Get rid of the hate. Come into the real world and get away from Grand Theft Auto IV for awhile.

scott3460 6 years, 4 months ago

Thank you no crackle.Guardian, it the shameless apologists for bush and crew here that should open their eyes and minds to consideration of the points of view put forth by the likes of Logrithmic, Bozo, etc....This anthrax story reeks to high Heaven and we need to learn more about it. The government's shoddy attempts to kill the story should not be allowed to be effective.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

now, in my "four posts" there was actually a good deal of actual fact instead of your conspiracy maunderings. furthermore, I gave a link to the local current story. I also added some local color. you, on the other hand, only seem to have the amazing emmission of your own fevered imagination, probably fed by some hate website. logrithmic(Anonymous)says:I'll only make one post on this article.It's interesting that the rightwing nutjobs want to get their knickers twisted over the "attacks" against these labs, which appear to be directed againstproperty, not against people.On the other hand, they say nothing of the anthrax attacks on the American citizenry, ...---loggy has zero actual evidence that would stand up in court. just implications, and paranoid misreading of events. loggy, read the article I linked above. seriously. you'll see its not the "right wing nutjobs" instead its california legislators (certainly not known to be "right wing nutjobs"), the head of UCSC (most certainly not a "right wing nutjob!), and for example the chair of the UCSC Psychology dept. (again, a far cry from a right wing nutjob!). once again, Loggy, your conspiracy crazytalk is rendered null and void by the facts!* just admit your defeat. the more you dig, the deeper is the hole you're standing in!but of course, you'll reply with meaningless drivvel completely devoid of factual support. care to argue the "right wing nutjob" ref anymore? no, I didn't think so. again, for your own sake, read the article linked above. this wasn't the first attack in Santa Cruz, or in California.

Jim Phillips 6 years, 4 months ago

logrithmic-If anyone has his head buried in the sand it is you with your less than subtle hatred for Conservatives. You obviously think we condone the actions reported in the article and that sort of dimentia sir, makes you a very dangerous individual. I would not be surprised if you sat in your basement reading the Anarchist's Cookbook dreaming of ways to overthrow the tyrannical American government.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

what factual evidence that the government is trying to kill the anthrax story???the mainstream media already opposes bush, and would lap up a real story that tarred this administration. this, and the text below, suggest some real paranoid thinking of you scott%#@~, Loggy, et al:that several of the apologists and obfuscators who post here are professional and do so with a deliberate agenda to stifle the reporting of anything thatvaries from the official propaganda of those in control of the government.---professional, why thank you for the compliment. you are therefore complimenting us on our skills and persuation. no, we're not professionals working for the "bush crime syndicate," and george bush doesn't put horses' heads into people's beds! ***finally, the posts here from the left illustrate the incredible thought habits of the far left fringe. now guardian and I, snappy et al, are professionals?no, oh silly kooks. we post here because we are convinced of what we communicate. your lame attempt to discredit your opposition by such a tactic is a very very old demorat tactic. it is also very well recognized: when you're losing an argument, don't confront the facts, instead attack the person, try to discredit him or her. trouble is, its too well known to work anymore. and, it illustrates that you're feeling this issue slip away. poor Scott^)$`, I will repeat here that you have called our brave military personnel "gun toters" as a put-down. you and loggy obviously hate america, and the military. come clean about this. admit it.

scott3460 6 years, 4 months ago

Logrithmic:Thank you for your informative and insightful comments here and throughout. You have opened eyes, I am sure, to the possibility of the further crimes and abuses of the bush crime syndicate & that alone makes your efforts worthwhile (and, frankly, damned admirably patriotic.) I grow convinced more and more that several of the apologists and obfuscators who post here are professional and do so with a deliberate agenda to stifle the reporting of anything that varies from the official propaganda of those in control of the government. Keep speaking truth to power & ignore those mental midgits who seek to distract you. Your time is better spent on the assembly of your facts. Idiot #4 counting your posts is easily ignored. Thanks!!

Flap Doodle 6 years, 4 months ago

Psst, scott, there's only one "i" in midget.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

ironic,no whining in my comment. you are so far gone in your crazy conspiracy theory. you don't even dispute the bald-faced facts i pointed out about UCSC, and from the article. it displays your feckless, vapid, nature Loggy. I hope that some from Santa Cruz see your wacko conspiracy postings. they'll get a lot of chuckling outa them! now, ya gonna call this whining too? you're tone deaf! this sure ain't whining Loggy!

scott3460 6 years, 4 months ago

"Animal experiments are cruel and arrogant, and mostly unnecessary.wrong. many areas of research these are vital. no alternatives. this is simple repeating of uninformed drivvel." Speaking of drivel....Even if you accept your assertion that an area of research is vital, it does not logically follow that animal expiriments are not cruel, or arrogant or even mostly unnecessary. They may very well be & significant effort to avoid cruelty, arrogance and unnecessary harm should be the goal of all people of decency.

scott3460 6 years, 4 months ago

And I stand by the description, bearded gnome, that is all many of them are and will ever be. Sorry it doesn't coincide with your yellow ribbon decal, "our brave military personnel" flag waiving, my government right or wrong viewpoint, but it is so. Not everyone is heroic, not everyone is brave, most are not worthy of any special regard. The vast, vast, vast majority of people are decidedly ordinary creatures. Your false vision takes away from those who truly are heroic, or brave, or extraordinary. Too bad you cannot see the real America. No need to thank me for a compliment; one was not intended. I used the word professional in the sense of you being compensated for your effort, not that your efforts rose to a particular level of brilliance.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 4 months ago

very perceptive Sir!Guardian, with what loggy has posted here, on an obviously unrelated thread to the anthrax attacks, it really does put 2 and 2 together to add up to him wishing to overthrow the evil "government." as i cited above, he has the "government" made out to be incredibly efficient, and incredibly evil. not a strain to connect that to the anarchist's cookbook.

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