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warthog (Anonymous) says…

No “negligent shootings.” So, if you shoot someone and you're careful about it, it's okay…

Why is that I don't feel safe having kids… and yes, they are kids… carrying guns on a college campus? Guns are not toys. They are not status symbols. They aren't something you use as a fashion statement. Guns are for one purpose. They are designed to kill. Yes, I know cars kill. That is not their intended design. Guns have their place and the University of Kansas campus is not it.

If you want a fashion statement to impress your girlfriend with, get a new cell phone or an ipod. At least when you've been binge drinking in the dorm and someone makes you mad the worst thing you could do is call them up or maybe play some loud music.

The_Voice_of_Reason (Anonymous) says…

Guns are NOT designed to kill people, their designed for hunting and self defense warthog, it's their misuse that makes them dangerous. Remember the second amendment is there to protect the first one. And P.S I don't have a carry permit nor do I own a gun, but it's every Americans right to have and carry one if they so chose.

bondmen (Anonymous) says…

There are voluminous documented reports of people defending themselves from violent attackers using a firearm.
http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseb…
It's nice to know some people are willing to take responsibility for their own safety rather than becoming a victim by waiting for someone else to come along and save them.

situveux1 (Anonymous) says…

Sorry, but last time I checked 18 meant you were an adult, not a kid.

The fact is concealed carry has decreased violent crime in states where it has passed. I wonder why this wouldn't apply to a campus as well as the rest of the state? What is special about a college campus that this trend wouldn't apply here as well?

As a KU student, I'd feel safer knowing there just might be somebody around me that could save my life someday by shooting someone like the Virginia Tech shooter.

Also, anybody that thinks carrying a gun at KU is popular is very out of touch with reality.

stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…

well… I think it would be interesting to know what the folks from the KU police department think about this… both officially… and individually…
if there is an “active shooter” on campus would KUPD think it would be a good idea to have a bunch of people running around with guns drawn?

and… this is interesting:

“I don’t know if I feel comfortable carrying on campus right now, but I would be more comfortable on campus if people
on our side could carry”

what does she mean by “people on our side”?

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

I think that only idiots should be allowed to carry weapons. There should be a test. If you fail, you get a gun. If you mispell your name, you get ammunition. If you wrongfully kill somebody, you get to live in the land of idiots…and more ammunition. How else can we expect the land of idiots to become the home of the free and the brave?~)

Grow a pair (of side arms), chicken little!~) Remember…Without side arms…ummm…arms get in the way of sex?~)

Just kidding…

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

Only the extremely paranoid would carry a weapon into a college classroom for that 1 in a million chance to confront a nutjob.

The extremely paranoid will say, oh but it is our right to carry a weapon into class!

The university could respond, no, but if you're that concerned, let's force people to submit to patdowns, metal detectors, and searches at the entrance of college buildings, not unlike at the airport.

I wonder how the extremely paranoid would react to such a police state on campus?

rcr (Anonymous) says…

“Sorry, but last time I checked 18 meant you were an adult, not a kid.”

To be granted a permit to carry in the state of Kansas you must be 21 years old, which would eliminate a good portion of students from legally carrying a handgun.

fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

“Why is that I don't feel safe having kids… and yes, they are kids… carrying guns on a college campus?”

You have to be 21 to get a concealed carry permit, I believe.

jafs (Anonymous) says…

I believe the original intent of the second amendment was to ensure that citizens would be able to defend our country against attack (well-regulated militia), or perhaps even against a repressive government.

I'm not sure how concealed carry on college campuses protects anyone's right to free speech.

Why don't we try to identify and intervene in situations that are likely to result in violence, rather than waiting until it occurs? In almost all of the school shootings, there were clear indications beforehand that something might happen.

fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

The question becomes what do you do about those indications if the person is unwilling to accept any sort of help or counselling. You can't violate someone's civil rights just because they might be the type of person that would do something.

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

good point, jafs.

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

“As a KU student, I'd feel safer knowing there just might be somebody around me that could save my life someday by shooting someone like the Virginia Tech shooter.”
As a KU student, i don't.

duplenty (Anonymous) says…

“Guns are NOT designed to kill people, their designed for hunting and self defense warthog, it's their misuse that makes them dangerous. ”

This may be the most ridiculous post in the history of the LJW.

Not designed to kill?

When you are hunting, what do you do to the animal you're hunting?

Oh, that's right: you kill it.

Guns have exactly one primary purpose: to kill. The secondary purpose is to provide self defense under threat of what? Being killed.

“it's every Americans right to have and carry one if they so chose.”

No, and no. It's not “every” Americans right, either to own or to carry.

Geez.

jason2007 (Anonymous) says…

Concealed carry is something I personally struggle with. I'm a staunch conservative but I think this points at treating symptoms of the disease instead of treating the root cause.

Why do we have nutjobs that decide to go postal and start shooting at people? In 99% of the cases that I've read regarding the psychological condition of those that commit these crimes, the problem started in their youth. Broken homes, abuse, neglect, and the natural starving for attention that every child needs during those formative years is the root cause of this disease.

Parents are increasingly AWOL when it comes to raising their children correctly and in a loving environment. I'm a Gen X'er and I witness many parents my age simply failing at their duties as parents. They set boundaries that are not enforced (a form of abuse), they give their kids anything their little hearts desire (a form of abuse), they ignore their children due to their own selfishness. I've seen so many grandparents essentially doing the job of raising their grandchildren while the parents are out cavorting at bars every weekend or otherwise destroying the family structure that needs to be present in the life of a child.

This problem is only going to get worse….

50YearResident (Anonymous) says…

Keep in mind that permit holders have to be 21 or older so those immature students will not have the permit to carry. There won't be mass hysteria when or if self defense is required.

situveux1 (Anonymous) says…

“Why don't we try to identify and intervene in situations that are likely to result in violence, rather than waiting until it occurs?”

Yea, that's worked out so well in past.

I'm sure if someone knew something was going to happen that they'd just sit on it. Nobody ever thinks this is going to happen until it does.

Also, free speech is in the first amendment, not the second. A citizens right to bear arms has really nothing to do with free speech. That right is guaranteed independent of the second amendment.

THX1138 (Anonymous) says…

“it's every Americans right to have and carry one if they so choose.”

…but it's every University's right to ban them on their campus if they so choose.

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

jafs and mom,

It seems that you don't understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment (Ask SCOTUS.) or believe in your natural right to self-defense. That's fine. You're free to give up your rights…but not mine.

We can argue about restrictions. That's fine.
We can whine about our fears. That's fine.
We can pretend that we're pouring gasoline on a fire and speculate as to the results…but I think it's fair to ask to see some flame before we continue in this attempt to deny people their rights. Do we REALLY not have enough rules are in place?!

There are a lot of people legally carrying out there. I don't see them running amok. Do you?

I understand that people fear guns and would prefer that they didn't exist. I understand that people think that, even if it takes a thousand years, it is worth beginning to try to eliminate guns from this world. I understand that the tooth fairy will provide hard currency for one of a set of hard, bone-like structures fallen from sockets in the jaws of vertebrates. Strike that!~)

fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

I'll admit it. I have a Glock. It's not pretty. It's not a competition gun. It's filled with .45 jacketed hollow points that would make a hell of a mess out of someone, and hides easily on my body. That gun was designed for one thing, and causing a lot of damage to whoever attempts to harm me or my family is it.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with that. I carry it legally, and will probably never use it on anything but paper targets.

But it's nice to know it is there if I my life, or my family's lives depend on it.

EXks (Anonymous) says…

someone's been watching too many episodes of 'Gunsmoke'

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

logrithmic says…

Only the extremely paranoid would carry a weapon into a college classroom for that 1 in a million chance to confront a nutjob.
–
The job of the nut job is to call out nut jobs. I'm here!~) We're all nut jobs, here. I have a nut job question. Is there a greater than 1-in-a-million chance that the legal holder of a concealed carry permit will cause a problem in the 1-in-a-million-times that a nut job goes…err…campus(kinda like postal)? I'd say that math and experience says “NO!”
––––––––––––––––––––––
The extremely paranoid will say, oh but it is our right to carry a weapon into class!
–
I would say it's their right at a public institution, if they have a CC permit. That doesn't make me paranoid. I think the paranoia is in your mirror.
––––––––––––––––––––––
I wonder how the extremely paranoid would react to…a police state on campus?
–
You “if” is wrong, so your “then” is wrong and your police state seems really silly. I KNOW silly!~)

geekin_topekan (Anonymous) says…

I am not an advocate for guns but I did hear one good point in this cluster;”You need to be 21 to carry”
Otherwise,in the article the ther day students pointed out that DO carry on campus regardless.So they have already demonstrated they are NOT law abiding citizens and refuse to follow the laws.That is what bothers me.Students carrying guns illegally on campus.What part of “illegal” dont they understand?
And remember,every illegal gun in a criminal's hands was legal at one time.
I would hate to see a KU student disarmed and killed with his with his own weapon.

vpete69 (Anonymous) says…

Geekin_topekan…that was me that said that I carry regardless. I dont have to have a license, nor obey the signs. My occupation allows for this.

Thanks, have a good day.

chuckabee24 (Anonymous) says…

“As a KU student, I'd feel safer knowing there just might be somebody around me that could save my life someday by shooting someone like the Virginia Tech shooter.”

Yeah, maybe we could hire the Topeka PD. They seem to be pretty good at using excessive force. It would suck to get pulled over for having a brake light out, but they'd sure be ready if a VT of NIU happened at KU. Just kidding. But as a KU student I wouldn't have a problem with allowing the various ROTC organizations to carry them. But I don't really have a strong opinion either way.

So, in summation, I just want to remind everybody to e-mail the city and ask that they change 19th street from Iowa to James Naismith to Bill Self Boulevard (or Drive)!

thetagger (Anonymous) says…

Yay! A reason to share funny Simpsons quotes! …

Guns aren't toys- they're for family protection, hunting dangerous and delicious animals, and keeping the king of England out your face.

When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power… like God must feel when he's holding a gun.

A gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife, or a harpoon, or uhh… an alligator.

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

JJE -
no, you don't know anything about me or else you wouldn't ask the questions you did or make the obviously wrong assumptions.
There are interpretations to the amendment in question, and jafs and I agree on one of the interpretations. You follow the other interpretation.

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

KU does post no carry signs on stop signs as you enter campus.
Let me ask this and I want an honest answer. If they (KU)don't want guns on campus, then why can't you just abide by their request?

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

Who cares about the legal weight? They don't want guns on campus. Can't you consider it a request, like when your mother asks you not to drag mud into the house…..
And according to the 4-18 article, campuses can ban guns.
So who is going to figure out who is right?

mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…

Folks, have fun with the debate. I will wait to see who is actually right, since the campuses think they can ban it, and shatt thinks they can't.

anxiousatheist (Anonymous) says…

Guns in School? What could go wrong? I think Mr. Stein in the above article meant to go to the Timothy Mcveigh school of Hillbilly Philosophy, not a real learning institution…

affreca (Anonymous) says…

As a KU student, I do not want guns on campus.

A gun is not the only way to defend yourself against a shooter. Words. My high school biology teacher had a gun pulled on him in study hall. He controlled the situation, talked the shooter down, and nobody was hurt. I admit, it isn't possible in all situations, but would he have been able to manage if another student pulled out a gun?

I do appreciate the urge to fight against the shooters. I wish more people tried (one prof in VT did put himself in between the shooter and his students, Ecole Polytechnique was more tradegic because the male students allowed themselves to be seperated from the female students). But if you think a gun is the only way, you're blind.

geekin_topekan (Anonymous) says…

Hey KU students,I know how you can get guns on campus.Pay an extra $250-500 for a campus permit.I am sure the regents will go for that or at least give it consideration.
Also,get alcohol back on campus!Then we will have free flowing beer AND firearms!Woohoo!!Party till you puke!

fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…

Somebody spends months debating, planning, and executing a shooting.

Do you feel confident enough in your speaking ability to put yourself between that gun and those people and talk your way out of it. Most instances you would be dead before you got through the first sentence. In most of these school shootings they are opening fire before anyone even knows what is happening.

justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

Shat - you may even BE a lawyer, I do not know - but your reading of the concealed carry law is not universally accepted by all lawyers or regulators. There is a a dispute over that issue among lawyers who deal with these issues.

Whether a university can lawfully prohibit guns (concealed or otherwise) on university property (not just inside buildings) is a question that may eventually have to be resolved by the courts or the lawmakers.

Whether they should = a policy issue.

situveux1 (Anonymous) says…

“Can't you consider it a request, like when your mother asks you not to drag mud into the house…..”

Oh yes, let's do that!

“Please Mr. Shooter, if you would, I'd appreciate it if you didn't bring that nasty old gun to school! I mean, I know you intend to kill as many people as possible and then probably yourself, but if you could, please don't do that….Now, listen here young man…if you don't put that gun away, I'm going to have to spank you!”

moderationman (Anonymous) says…

Shatt -

KU is STATE owned property. Not city or county. It is governed by a STATE agency not a city or county, thus the rules regarding citites and counties are mute. The entire campus is posted legally. Every parking lot and building is posted as well.

gogoplata (Anonymous) says…

So it is ok to have these kids carrying on the streets of Iraq but here at home they are less competent?

ConcernedCynic (Anonymous) says…

Here’s an idea - if you feel threatened / paranoid on campus and you don’t like KU's concealed carry ban, don't go on campus!

Oldshooter (Anonymous) says…

You are missing the point of concealed carry. It has nothing to do with curing social ills, teaching your kids to respect others, etc. It only has to do with being able to save your own life, and perhaps the lives of those in your vicinity, when everything else has already failed to keep you safe. It's not a fashion statement, and I don't feel any more macho or heroic wearing a gun than I do wearing a seatbelt. I have never met a concealed carry license holder who wants to shoot. We are all taught that we should avoid any situation with that potential like the plague, by running away, if possible. We are also taught that every bullet fired has a lawyer attached to it, and our life will be thoroughly ruined if we ever have to fire in self-defense. Nonetheless, many of us have decided we would rather be ruined than dead or maimed. The fact that the society as a whole seems to benefit by a highly correlated reduction in violent crime whereever CC is allowed, is entirely secondary, nice, but secondary. There is no “right to feel safe” in this or any other country, but there most assuredly IS a “right to defend oneself” with an appropriate degree of force, including lethal force, in this country. The founding fathers recognized that it would sometimes be necessary to be able to defend oneself against those of nefarious intent who were younger, stronger, meaner, armed, even those acting under color of law (as in a tyrannical government), thus, their 2nd amendment, without which the federalists were unable to sell the rest of the constitution to the states. This is clearly an individual right, as the SCOTUS will shortly confirm.

stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…

I don’t care if people carry guns… if they feel unsafe without one… then maybe they should… but the whole idea that someone with a ccl on a campus is going to take out an active shooter… well… the chances are so very slim… and it seems to me to be a bit of a fantasy for some folks…

gl0ck0wnr (Anonymous) says…

Gun stories on the LJW create such a predictable reaction from the anti-rights crowd that it's rather pointless to even try to discuss it. Allowing adults (21+) to carry legally on campus won't create any more gun crime. It hasn't in any city in any state in which it has been implemented. What happened to the “wild west shoot-outs” we were told we were going to have when concealed carry passed in Kansas? Yes, the odds of a school shooting are statistically improbable… but what is utterly likely is if one *does* happen, it will take LPD about five minutes to even begin responding. Why force me to be a victim in those five minutes simply because you have a totally irrational fear and ethical problem with firearms?

Oldshooter (Anonymous) says…

On the issue of those who want to be able to carry on campus being paranoid, I think the shoe is on the wrong foot and perhaps some psych 101 review is in order. 1) To be paranoid involves having a delusional belief system (usually involving the idea that one is being personally threatened). A delusional system is an irrational belief that is not based on a false premise, not on facts; therefore, no amount of conflicting data can change it. 2) Being afraid of an object (knives, snakes, airplanes, guns, etc.) is also irrational, since objects are not, in and of themselves, threatening. This is called a phobia. Thus, someone who is afraid of guns has, by definition, a phobia, which is a psychological disorder (one that is relatively amenable to treatment and can usually be overcome). Someone who is afraid of people carrying guns in their vicinity is paranoid, because the belief that anyone in the vicinity with a gun presents a threat or danger to you, personally, is irrational and flies in the face of a HUGE amount of data to the contrary (see the studies by Lott, Kleck, Mustard, et. al). This one is harder to treat, but cognitive-behavioral psychologists can usually make headway against it. Oh, and the idea that someone who wants to carry a gun is making up for feelings of sexual inadequacy? That’s also grossly in error. Check out Freud’s first book. He specifically addresses the issue, and considers the FEAR of guns to be pathological, not the desire to own or carry them, which was actually quite common among people of his class, in his day. He likely carried one himself. So to put this all together: If I want to take responsibility for myself and carry a gun to protect myself or others, I am acting normally, just as it would be normal for me to wear a seatbelt (interestingly, the probability of getting into a car wreck, is about the same as the probability of becoming a crime victim), or to learn CPR. However, someone who is afraid of guns, or feels threatened at the thought that others iaround him/her might be carrying a gun, is suffering from a psychological disorder, either a phobia or paranoia.

tony88 (Anonymous) says…

There is no greater advocate of gun rights than Weird Al:

“Got an AK-47, well you know it makes me feel alright
Got an Uzi by my pillow, helps me sleep a little better at night
There's no feeling any greter
Than to shoot first and ask questions later
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Well, you can't take my guns away, I got a constitutional right
Yeah, I gotta be ready if the Commies attack us tonight
I'll blow their brains out with my Smith and Wesson
That ought to teach them all a darn good lesson
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Oh, I accidently shot daddy last night in the den
I mistook him in the dark for a drug-crazed Nazi again
Now why'd you have to get so mad?
It was just a lousy flesh wound, Dad
You know, I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Oh, I still haven't figured out the safety on my rifle yet
Little Fluffy took a round, better take him to the vet
I filled that kitty cat so full of lead
We'll have to use him for a pencil instead
Well, I'm so trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Come on and grab your ammo
What have you got to lose?
We'll all get liquored up
And shoot at anything that moves

Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight
Oh, I'm prayin' somebody tries to break in here tonight
I always keep a Magnum in my trunk
You better ask yourself, do you feel lucky, punk?
Because I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away”

Puggy (Anonymous) says…

I think that it will be too easy for these kids to get confused with “vigilante justice” carrying their guns and looking to be the “hero” to stop the next school shooting.

we already have people on campus who carry, they're called cops…and they are professionally trained to diffuse dangerous situations. I could maybe understand ROTC officers carrying, but not a student with a permit and practice, but no formal/constant training.

BuiltToSpill (Anonymous) says…

This is stupid to even be up for debate. There is no place for guns on any school campus, as the past has clearly shown.

Puggy (Anonymous) says…

can these “carrying kids” a) guarantee that they will be there if something goes down, and b) know how to act appropriately?

They are evoking Kaiser Soze on another gun-related blog, so i do the same here:

“How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?”

I don't think these conceal carry kids will be able to diffuse a dangerous situation without putting even more people in danger…at least not without proper training, NOT just practice.

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

JJE writes:

“The job of the nut job is to call out nut jobs. I'm here!~) We're all nut jobs, here.”

Speak for yourself. Oh, I take that back. I guess you have. LOL.

JJE writes:

“I have a nut job question. Is there a greater than 1-in-a-million chance that the legal holder of a concealed carry permit will cause a problem in the 1-in-a-million-times that a nut job goes…err…campus(kinda like postal)? I'd say that math and experience says “NO!””

The psychopath and the nutjob use the same reasoning.

JJE writes:

“I would say it's their right at a public institution, if they have a CC permit. That doesn't make me paranoid. I think the paranoia is in your mirror.”

How do you know what's in my mirror? Boy you sure seem to know what everyone else is thinking: e.g. “We're all nut jobs here.” No we're not all nut jobs. And we're not extremely paranoid - but you clearly are. Fear is a bizarre motivator and only the cowardly allow themselves to be swept up by it.

Yes people realize that there are nutjobs out there. But giving them the right to bring their weapons to a schools, malls, churches, courts is bizarre.

Please tell me how many mass slayings have occurred on college campuses since the Texas incident. Has this ever occurred at the University of Kansas? Is it rational then to fear encountering this type of incident when chances are far greater you'll die on the highway or from some disease? How will your guns solve these problems? Won't. It won't even solve the problem of mass slayings at college campuses. These would still occur even if you had your weapon.

JJE writes:

“You “if” is wrong, so your “then” is wrong and your police state seems really silly. I KNOW silly!~)”

Yes you know everything. I forgot. But if metal detectors and security were beefed up on the campus? Pat downs common place? DNA gathered? Fingerprints taken? Everything run against a database of known “nut jobs?” Would this alternative suffice? Homeland Security thinks so.

So be careful what you wish for. If you want zero tolerance for weapons on campus, then a police state would be one way of solving the issue. But I doubt people would want that. Just as they don't want nut jobs carrying weapons legally on the campus either. Between these extremes, there's a lot of middle ground.

I believe the rights to own and use weapons in a legal manner are essential anymore. But I also see no reason to permit them in the classroom or on a college campus.

To make a long story short, I'm not as paranoid as you nor will I ever be. And if that means that someday in the future I end up being killed while walking across the KU campus, you can say I told you so. But the probabilities are nearly infinitely higher that I will never encounter violence like the Virginia Tech slayings at KU. This is the world of sanity, and unfortunately, the paranoid and the psychopathic both have trouble understanding it.

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

I'm not sure what that means BTS?
Not one THING will STOP crazies from bringing guns to campus.
I think the point is that knowing legal concealed carry permit holders are in your midst could perhaps DETER crazies from bringing guns to campus. CC permittees could conceivably even save a life or two by drawing their side arms.
THAT is what's open to our meaningless speculation!~)

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

JJE writes:

“I think the point is that knowing legal concealed carry permit holders are in your midst could perhaps DETER crazies from bringing guns to campus.”

Could perhaps? Is that the same as definitely maybe?

Regards your hope that you, the great protector, will stand vigilant guard over us, the great unwashed, and will, by your sword so intimidate those with other swords that they will not dare bring their swords to the castle… well, it's all really laughable.

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

“What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?
It's Log, Log, Log!

It's Log, Log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
It's Log, Log, it's better than bad, it's good!
Everyone wants a log! You're gonna love it, Log!
Come on and get your log! Everyone needs a Log!”

It's rithmic, don't you think? I mean rhythmic.

I mean…JEEZ, man…YOU are calling me paranoid and psychopathic? Heh… Good one. Spend a little more time on your next post, log. You're not looking crazy eNOUGH!

By the way, I feel NO need to carry. I also feel NO need to fear those who carry…so…Who's more paranoid? I think I've got you beat in that department. I won't even go into the psychopath department…I just hope you stay locked up in there!~) Nobody is out to hurt you. Relax.

ConcernedCynic (Anonymous) says…

Oldshooter - Actually, I own a 12 gauge shotgun for pheasant hunting. I am not afraid of guns, or for that matter most people that carry guns. I just think that if you do not like to go to places where you can’t bring your gun (because you do not feel safe without your gun) – then don’t go to those places. It is quite simple.

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

JJE,

Oh, I'm relaxed.

I just wanted to engage in some intelligent conversation with you. But you take thinks so personal! Defensive mechanism working overtime? Just the kind of guy I want walking around campus with a couple of Glock nines and a sawed off shotgun.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the statistics on how often a mass slaying occurs on a college campus. Please establish the scope and evidence of the problem before suggesting that the university permit you to carry a weapon for self protection. Beyond the overall college campus, I'm also awaiting an answer regarding mass slayings on the University of Kansas campus.

I already know you believe that by carrying a gun, you “could perhaps” deter a psychopath from carrying one too. That's great reasoning there my friend, but again, I chalk it up to wishful thinking.

The paranoid are great at stating their fears but they fail miserably when examining if those fears are rational. When flying in an airplane, are you frightened that the plane might crash or be taken over by terrorists? Are you afraid you might be struck by lightening? Just how afraid are you of things? Can you answer that question honestly are am I getting too personal?

BigAl (Anonymous) says…

I am a veteran. I have rasied my family and live happily in Lawrence. Outside of my military service, I have never felt the need nor had the desire to carry a gun. But then again, I don't feel the need to compensate for other shortcomings.

frankiej65 (Anonymous) says…

I am personally against college students, or my coworkers for that matter, carrying guns on their person… however with that said, I find it ironic that also this week our Governor signed a law allowing the sale of machine guns, sawed off shotguns, and silencers. The argument is that police departments need this equipment but have trouble obtaining it since they are illegal to sell. Why do police departments need silencers? To those of you expressing your right to free speech in an effort to secure your right to bare arms… I say go get 'em! I may not agree with your cause, but I'll stand up for your rights.

JJE007 (Anonymous) says…

Log,
It's mind boggling how you're able to transmogrify reality in that head of yours. Your ability to ignore what you choose not to hear/read/understand is legendary in this neck of the woods.

What do you bring to the table in the way of “intelligent conversation”? In response to my positing that CC could perhaps be a deterrence to a shooter, you say…
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Could perhaps? Is that the same as definitely maybe?

Regards your hope that you, the great protector, will stand vigilant guard over us, the great unwashed, and will, by your sword so intimidate those with other swords that they will not dare bring their swords to the castle… well, it's all really laughable.
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You want me to have an intelligent conversation with THAT?~) Dude…again…check that mirror…See the pot?~)

logrithmic (Anonymous) says…

JJE - you wrote at 12:53 p.m. the following:

“I think the point is that knowing legal concealed carry permit holders are in your midst could perhaps DETER crazies from bringing guns to campus.”

Let's start with agreeing that those were your words. And you've left yourself wiggle room in those words. Which means in my book “definitely maybe.”

I'm still waiting for you to provide any evidence supporting your major premises:

a) That college campuses are under siege from psychopaths willing to wreak havoc with weapons.

b) That by permitting paranoid people to carry weapons on campus will sovle the problem.

You appear to be unwilling to offer any evidence or even decent logic that supports your premises.

I'm sorry if you have a problem with my rhetoric. That still does not give you an out when it comes to demonstrating the need to permit CC on the University of Kansas campus.

If you cannot come up with evidence supporting your premises, then simply say so. We can all have a good laugh and go about our merry way.

peachesncream (Anonymous) says…

GUNS dont kill ppl ,,, idiots do….

peachesncream (Anonymous) says…

just was does gettin