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Tasing interrupts basketball celebration

Lawrence resident Joshua York was tased by a Kansas Highway Patrol trooper after the Kansas-North Carolina game on Saturday after he refused to throw away his glass beer bottle. York said the officer never explained that glass bottles weren't allowed downtown and that the situation could have been avoided with better communication.

Lawrence resident Joshua York was tased by a Kansas Highway Patrol trooper after the Kansas-North Carolina game on Saturday after he refused to throw away his glass beer bottle. York said the officer never explained that glass bottles weren't allowed downtown and that the situation could have been avoided with better communication.

April 15, 2008

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Final Four celebration ends in Tasing

For one Jayhawk fan, celebrating KU's big win over North Carolina ended abruptly when he was stunned by a Taser gun. As 6News reporter Jesse Fray explains, it was all over a beer bottle. Enlarge video

Joshua York was ready to celebrate.

Kansas University's men's basketball team had just defeated North Carolina in the Final Four, and he was heading to downtown Lawrence to join the crowd.

But his chance to join the approximately 20,000 Jayhawk fans on Massachusetts Street ended quickly April 5 when he was tased twice by a Kansas Highway Patrol trooper on hand to assist Lawrence police with crowd control.

York, 32, was walking west on Eighth Street toward Massachusetts Street. He'd brought a bottle of ale from home.

As he neared the crowd, he made eye contact with a few of the 200 on-duty officers.

"I smiled and held up my bottle, to salute them," York said.

That's when things went bad. A KHP trooper approached him.

"Immediately he demanded the bottle," said York. "I said, 'No,' thinking that he wanted to prevent alcohol in the streets."

York, of Lawrence, saw several other people drinking in the street, so he didn't understand why he was being singled out.

"Without telling me what it was about, (the trooper) just grabbed ahold of the bottle, grabbed dead hold of it, and I didn't let go," York said.

Officers weren't allowing people to carry bottles or cans on Mass. Street that night, only plastic cups. Lt. Mathew Heffley told York he had to get rid of the bottle or leave the area, said Capt. Dek Kruger, KHP troop commander.

"He decided that he didn't want either one of those options, so that left no options for us. We had to take some sort of action," Kruger said. "We would've been satisfied just removing the bottle."

Another trooper approached York from behind and took him to the ground, with the help of a Lawrence police officer, Kruger said.

Heffley stunned York with his Taser twice, once in the leg and again in the back, Kruger said.

"He was tased, and he was tased because he was resisting arrest," Kruger said. "When he was placed on the ground, he was instructed to place his hands behind his back and he was not cooperating. He in fact was physically resisting the arrest."

Kruger said Heffley used the Taser because it was a "lesser force" than open hand strikes or blows from a baton.

York calls it a "breakdown of communication."

He said it makes sense officers didn't want bottles in the crowd, but he said that was never explained to him until after he was stunned.

"I just didn't know," York said. "I thought it was about the alcohol."

York was arrested for disorderly conduct and booked into Douglas County Jail, where he was held for less than two hours before posting a $100 bond. Charges haven't been filed against him.

More departments are assigning officers Tasers, which stun a suspect so they can be subdued. Lawrence police were recently issued Tasers in a pilot program.

Comments

Steve Jacob 7 years, 4 months ago

They tased a guy, and his "crime" was so bad his bail was $100 bucks? Very odd.

M. Lindeman 7 years, 4 months ago

I think he needs tased again. For not wanting to take responsibility for his actions. Of course in todays world, it is always someone else's fault.

Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 4 months ago

did he not read the papers that said no cans or bottle did he not know that really no open cantaniers is the law did he not use his brain to say maybe I should just give him the beer then go have fun party and buy more?I am sorry you got tazed a little extreme but you should have known better yourself.

oldvet 7 years, 4 months ago

My spouse has asked me not to use the term "moron" when describing people like Joshua... so Joshua, you are an SDI (Single Digit IQ)...I always told my kids that the two people you never give grief to are the Police Officer who has you pulled over and the judge you are standing in front of... either one can make your life simple or very miserable... one learned by being told, the other must be part of Joshua's crowd...

jonas 7 years, 4 months ago

O-Bob: Having run into this guy before downtown a number of times, I think he's probably looking to take it to The Man. Not that I expected sympathy for this guy (certainly not here), the use of tasers on someone simply not doing what you tell them to is excessive. Our PD seems to believe that Tasers are just some sort of Magical Falling Down Device, and its causing problems. (And let's not even start about uneven implementation. There was beer All Over The Place on Mass. st and surrounding blocks after both the games. Why Was this guy singled out?)

Scott Tichenor 7 years, 4 months ago

Hint, when a police office asks you to do anything, the correct answer is always "Yes, sir". Guess this is why they go to college, to learn.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 4 months ago

The cops were wrong to tase this guy, and while in a sane world, there should be some ability to have a discussion with the cops about why they are detaining you, this guy apparently doesn't understand that this is not a sane world.

BigPrune 7 years, 4 months ago

Now that this dumb incident has hit the newstands, should we expect the ACLU to come running to protect this longhair's rights?

anotherdayinparadise 7 years, 4 months ago

"(And let's not even start about uneven implementation. There was beer All Over The Place on Mass. st and surrounding blocks after both the games. Why Was this guy singled out?)" ?????it didn't have anything to do with the beer, it had to do with the bottle, anytime I saw an officer ask either for someone's can or bottle or ask them to throw it away they did and happily went on celebrating, they had enough on their hands to worry about without explaining policy to every jacka** with a beer bottle. Having been to several celebrations of similar size I believe that the local police did a wonderful job, both in controlling what they could as well as in letting things go."Waaah I got tased because I was a douchebag and now feel sorry for me.."

Chicago_JHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

The use of a taser seems excessive in this case, but the reason doesn't. How can this be misconstrued as a "breakdown of communication"? Whether the cop wanted him to get rid of the alcohol, or just the bottle itself...DO IT! It doesn't matter if it seemed like he was being singled out. It's much easier to be singled out when you are alone amongst 200 cops vs in a large group of people.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Obviously this moron did something to provoke being tasered by a State Trooper in a city that doesn't uniformly supply tasers to its own police force. State Troopers aren't going to tase somebody for kicks, they're going to have a reason. Obviously this knuckle head gave them one. Get over yourself, and stop trying to get a pity party started.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "The cops were wrong to tase this guy, and while in a sane world, there should be some ability to have a discussion with the cops about why they are detaining you, this guy apparently doesn't understand that this is not a sane world."What discussion is necessary? "No glass bottles allowed." Beyond that, having to explain all the reasons for the policy decision and then discussing it with all 20,000 drunk people in downtown Lawrence going crazy in the streets is moronic. Besides, all but a handful were able to conform their behavior to the requests of the hundreds of Law Enforcement Officers there to help maintain the safety of the celebrants.One 32 year old guy, one 32 year old guy, was either too stupid, too stubborn, or too drunk (I don't care which) and wouldn't give up one bottle of his favorite ale and he got tazed and arrested. Serves him right.

booze_buds_03 7 years, 4 months ago

The bottle was UNOPENED according to the video. So what exactly did this guy do wrong?

imastinker 7 years, 4 months ago

Bozo - why don't you tell us what the police oficer should have done.

ralphralph 7 years, 4 months ago

Taser-mania in Kansas!First, the guy in Topeka who gets zapped because he's ill and won't get in the ambulance, then a ponytailed Lawrencian who won't part with his brew absent some reasonable explanation. WTF?It seems that Tasers were introduced to provide an alternative to more lethal forms of force, but they are being used a a disciplinary device. Don't do what the cop tells you, then ZAP! Note to the boys (and girls, Topeka) in blue: If you continue to misuse this device, it will be taken away from you.Note to ponytailed Lawrencians: party-on, dude!

OnlyTheOne 7 years, 4 months ago

said York. "I said, 'No,''Nuff said right there. Why do today's youth think they have every right they can imagine?I hope I'm on this guys Jury!And I wonder why in the H the LJ-W is even wasting space trying to make him out a victim?!

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

BoozeBuds, cops weren't allowing ANY GLASS bottles onto Mass. They chose to ignore plastic cups, and it was hit and miss regarding cans. Either way this guy embodies the definition of a moron.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

ralphralph. The cop that tasered this idiot in Lawrence was a State Trooper...After TWO State Troopers attempted to take physically him down.

compmd 7 years, 4 months ago

Whatever happened to a good old whack from a billy club? Or heck, what about good old-fashioned mace? Or is that too 1990s?

Mkh 7 years, 4 months ago

Wow. It's a true testament to how brainwashed the masses are about their police state when they cheer cops tazing their own citizens. How sad.Yeah this guy was an idiot for not handing over the bottle, but the officer was an even bigger idiot for tazing him. Are you telling me that a Highway Patrolman can't remove a bottle from some moron without tazing him? Is that really the only logical way to resolve the situation for a trained officer of the law? No of course not, the cop was on a power strip. The cop's ego was insulted that the guy did not immediately comply and he did his tuff guy macho cop trip that he had to hurt the guy to teach him a lesson.I'll say it again... police officers in general are far too dumb to be carrying tazers...take them away and give them a stack of plastic cups instead.

Joel Hood 7 years, 4 months ago

So how does this story end if this guy's bottle ends up cracking someone's skull open? Law enforcement was very consistent - they confiscated bottles & cans. They allowed open containers in plastic cups. This guy resisted by not giving up an open container of alcohol in a glass bottle. What were they supposed to do? Let him go because he said, "NO?" Would it have been better to pull a Rodney King on this guy instead of the taser? I'm sure he was trying his best to have an articulate dialogue with these officers, but they simply wouldn't listen to this well meaning, sober citizen (remove tongue from cheek now.)

Jhawk1 7 years, 4 months ago

The issue here is the unjustified use of a taser gun by the authorities. A disturbing the peace violation DOES NOT warrant excessive force like the idiot cop who used the taser gun. The law enforcement officer should be put on suspension.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Are you kidding!? The Trooper did exactly what he was supposed to do. He called in for backup, tried to physically subdue him, that didn't work, so they tasered him. Does he have any broken bones? No. Would he if he'd been hit with a night stick? Probably. Was that trooper worried about the possibility of a mob mentality setting over other people which would inflict harm upon the officers? You betcha. How do you prevent a small isolated incident from exploding into a mob situation? You handle it like these Troopers did. Is it unfortunate that this guy got tasered? Yes. Did he deserve it? Yes. Am I done with the question response thing. He!lz yeah.

mom_of_three 7 years, 4 months ago

Jhawk1, Guess you would rather they used a club? Do you think the troopers should have handled the guy special? There were over 30,000 people in the street that day, and they wanted to make sure nothing or nobody got out of hand. Maybe they thought they didn't have time to handle this guy with kid gloves, because of the evening situation. Don't forget - when asked to put down the bottle, he said "no." No one is to blame but himself.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

Mkh (Anonymous) says: Wow. It's a true testament to how brainwashed the masses are about their police state when they cheer cops tazing their own citizens. How sad.Yeah this guy was an idiot for not handing over the bottle, but the officer was an even bigger idiot for tazing him. Are you telling me that a Highway Patrolman can't remove a bottle from some moron without tazing him? Is that really the only logical way to resolve the situation for a trained officer of the law? No of course not, the cop was on a power strip. The cop's ego was insulted that the guy did not immediately comply and he did his tuff guy macho cop trip that he had to hurt the guy to teach him a lesson.--------------------------------------------------------------------------I guess you missed this part of the story - "When he was placed on the ground, he was instructed to place his hands behind his back and he was not cooperating. He in fact was physically resisting the arrest."Sounds like he was given many opportunities to avoid this -asked and then told to give up the bottle, then physically battling with a cop over the bottle, then physically resisting once he was wrestled to the ground and instructed to put his hands behind his back.Yeah, you're right though the cops were the ones that over-reacted.

taxman66044 7 years, 4 months ago

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Tandava 7 years, 4 months ago

Way to go, Josh! You got what you deserved. Obviously, it was your karma to have this happen.~ PR

Catbacker 7 years, 4 months ago

If you poke the dog enough times, eventually you will be bit. I would have shot him in the leg. He will soon forget the temporary pain of being tased, and thus the stupidity that brought that upon him; but walking forever with a limp...that he would remember.

gontek 7 years, 4 months ago

Tazing seems like cruel and unusual punishment to me. What if I have a heart condition where I would probably have a heart attack if I was tazered? Personally I'd rather get roughed up a little than electrocuted.

FatTony 7 years, 4 months ago

So let me get this straight, guy doesn't comply with the cops and a week later looks like a whiny little girl in recapping his story. "Wah wah, I want my bottle of ale back" - Baby YorkDid the bottle have a nipple on it? Maybe he should have put his beer in a sippie cup.In my line of work if you don't fall in line you end up in the back of Paulie's meat market after hours and you never have your chance to make a fool of yourself in the LJW.

laika 7 years, 4 months ago

This incident just begs the question what these tasers are for? Are they for anyone 'resisting' or just people that are a danger to themselves or maybe have a weapon (knife, etc). I personally think someone that is just 'resisting' does not need to be tasered, but subdued in another manner. Obviously LPD should know how to do this, as they haven't had tasers up until recently.

gyroduck 7 years, 4 months ago

"Yeah this guy was an idiot for not handing over the bottle, but the officer was an even bigger idiot for tazing him. Are you telling me that a Highway Patrolman can't remove a bottle from some moron without tazing him? Is that really the only logical way to resolve the situation for a trained officer of the law? No of course not, the cop was on a power strip. The cop's ego was insulted that the guy did not immediately comply and he did his tuff guy macho cop trip that he had to hurt the guy to teach him a lesson."Well said!

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

duplenty (Anonymous) says: All this dipstick had to do was say "sure, here you go", and his revelry would have continued.I was right there in the thick of it, and all the cops I saw did a great job in what could have been a tense situation.--------------------------------------------------------------------------Well said duplenty. Imagine if you will what the scene would have been like if there were more people like Mr. York out there fighting with the police instead of giving up the bottle and joining the fun. It certainly would not have been a place that I would have wanted to be. The entire time I was down there, I never had any "bad" feelings, even though there were times I could barely turn around because it was so crowded.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 4 months ago

What we don't know--Was the bottle open? Did the officers tell this guy that there was no glass allowed, or did they just grab him and try to take the bottle from him? Sure, the guy was an idiot to resist their trying to take the bottle from him, but that doesn't excuse the cops if they escalated the incident by getting tough without some attempt at basic communication, and from this article, we don't know whether that's the case or not. Overall, we really don't have enough information from this article to know whether the police acted responsibly or not.

fu7il3 7 years, 4 months ago

"This incident just begs the question what these tasers are for? Are they for anyone 'resisting' or just people that are a danger to themselves or maybe have a weapon (knife, etc)."I'd say if they have a weapon the cop had better be shooting them, not tasing them. What injuries does the guy have? Did anything that bad really happen to him?

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 4 months ago

Haven't we had just about enough of these cops tazing people at the drop of a hat? Violence against citizens has become the method of first resort, not the last. Why didn't the cops spend more time talking to this guy. Would that have hurt their manly egos? Instead, they just zap people and throw them to the ground. Personally, I see little distinction between a lot of these cops and the common street thugs they're supposed to protect us from.

RonBurgandy 7 years, 4 months ago

I'm sorry, but tasing someone for not throwing away a beer bottle is over the line. I can see it if he was about to use the bottle as a weapon.Of course, he should have thrown the bottle away, there was too much joy that night to butt heads with cops who had to worry about excessive amounts of people. Not the time to take a stand.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: What we don't know-Was the bottle open? Did the officers tell this guy that there was no glass allowed, or did they just grab him and try to take the bottle from him?-------------------------------------------------------------------------But we do know that it had been reported in the newspaper and on the radio that no bottles or cans would be allowed downtown and it was being taken to the point that the drinking establishments downtown were only going to be serving in plastic cups.Twist it anyway you'd like, the guy deserves no sympathy.

FatTony 7 years, 4 months ago

Iaika-"I personally think someone that is just 'resisting' does not need to be tasered, but subdued in another manner."They mentioned the other method in the article."Kruger said Heffley used the Taser because it was a "lesser force" than open hand strikes or blows from a baton." Personally I would have liked to see them beat him a few times rather then let him off with a little tasing.Lets remember this "I smiled and held up my bottle, to salute them," York said.Could that also be "I smiled and held up my bottle, to taunt them."?

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

"Did the bottle have a nipple on it? Maybe he should have put his beer in a sippie cup."-----------------------------------------------------------------------------If he infact had his beer in a sippie cup I will then defend his being tasered. Because the embarrassment of having a sippie cup on Mass should be enough. Haha.

craigers 7 years, 4 months ago

York was stupid and was given plenty of opportunites to let it go. Because of the whole nanny state people are in cops can't take care of the situation in other ways. Too many wanting to call foul on the cops so they use the least harmful (most of the time) method of neutralizing the situation and then the public cries foul on that too. He was stunned, not tased. These are completely different events. Being tased is electrodes being shot at the person and more current hits them. Being stunned (without the electrodes) will usually just shock the person enough to make them stop resisting.Good job KHP, keep it up. And taze more people like this!!!! :)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 4 months ago

"But we do know that it had been reported in the newspaper and on the radio that no bottles or cans would be allowed downtown and it was being taken to the point that the drinking establishments downtown were only going to be serving in plastic cups."Who is "we?" Certainly, reporting it was the proper thing to do, but if the officers didn't explain the policy to the guy, especially if the container wasn't open, then their assuming that he had read the particular announcement in the newspaper or heard it on the radio was just plain irresponsible.But as I said, the article is lacking in information, so any judgments about it are nothing buy idle speculation.

Jim Williamson 7 years, 4 months ago

Instead of tasing, a couple shots to the head with one of those big@ss police Maglites was probably in order. If not for carrying a glass bottle, just on general principle.

Janet Lowther 7 years, 4 months ago

This is a positively inappropriate use of force. A few words would almost certainly have prevented the incident, but the officer went straight for force. (Seizing Mr. York's bottle.)The ability and willingness of officers to communicate is a strong indicator of the likelihood of them using force inappropriately.Only people with both strong communication skills and a strong inclination to communicate should be allowed to ender the law enforcement profession.Remember, a Taser is a less lethal weapon, not a non-lethal weapon. (Is there any weapon which is positively non-lethal?)

fljayhawk4 7 years, 4 months ago

this is the first time I am embarrassed to say I went to Kansas if this is the kind of logic that is used. wow what country do most of the people posting here think you live in? As far as I know we are still supposed to live in a "free" society and that includes the freedom to be stupid. Based on this article the only way this is justified is if the officers that did this knew he had a history of violent behavior and resisting arrest.

mom_of_three 7 years, 4 months ago

We went downtown for a short while that night. As we were leaving, we saw dozens of officers walking in from South Park. We could tell from their faces they were there for a job, but again, we weren't drinking. There should have been common sense on York's part, and he just didn't use it.

jackie 7 years, 4 months ago

There is a bigger point that is being missed here. The cops work for the citizens. Nothing in this article leads us to believe that there was any sort of emergency during this altercation. The cop should have explained why he was confiscating the property from the citizen. That would have prevented the whole situation. The policeman is supposed to be a professional and he should be held to this standard. Tazing should be reserved for extreme circumstances. Everytime a cop tazes someone, he/she should be tazed in a training event.

Hawks22 7 years, 4 months ago

The police are the ones that should use common sense. This is a clear abuse of police power. As we have seen tasers can kill. Wake up people and don't take this lightly. America is the land of the free!

mom_of_three 7 years, 4 months ago

'The cop should have explained why he was confiscating the property from the citizen. "And the citizen should have complied in the first place. Could have been handled differently on both sides, perhaps. maybe state troopers are less tolerant than our local PD.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III (Anonymous) says: Why didn't the cops spend more time talking to this guy. Would that have hurt their manly egos? Instead, they just zap people and throw them to the ground. Personally, I see little distinction between a lot of these cops and the common street thugs they're supposed to protect us from.-------------------------------------------------------------------------And just how long were they supposed to "reason" with this individual?It seems to me, with all of the people that were in the downtown area at that time, the police did one hell of a job. There were plenty of other people that simply complied and gave up their bottles and cans. The fact that few people arrested is evidence of how tolerant the police were both Saturday and Monday night. I find it hard to believe that Mr. York simply found the one group of cops on a testosterone trip and wanted to make an example of him.

july241983 7 years, 4 months ago

"Instead of tasing, a couple shots to the head with one of those big@ss police Maglites was probably in order. If not for carrying a glass bottle, just on general principle."_________You know some other people who needed maglites to the head- John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin..., basically all of those hippies who just wouldn't do what their government told them to do. Taxation without representation- shut up hippies! Having to quarter soldiers in your home- do what you're told! Now, I'm not comparing Mr. York to the founders of our country, but some of you people need to wake up and realize what it means to be an American. Have we really gotten to the point where a cop can demand a citizen's property (an unopened bottle of brew is not illegal, and is personal property), without any real explanation, and then shock the owner with electricity for failing to comply with his order? I wonder what our founders would have thought of that.But, I can see the situation from the perspective of the police officer. I can see why the police didn't want bottles on Mass. I can see how it might not be easy to explain your policy to 40,000 people. I can understand the officer losing his cool and overreacting. What I cannot understand, is the mob of people on this forum who said that the officer did the right thing, and who criticized Mr. York for having the audacity to disobey. Our country was founded by disobediant people. The declaration of independence says all men are created equal. It doesn't mention anything about cops being granted by our creator unalienable discretion over whether to shock citizens with electricity.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

situveux...I believe Larry The Cable Guy phrased it more eloquently when he said it."You can't fix stupid"

Gabe Hoffman 7 years, 4 months ago

  1. He showed aggression when refusing to hand over the bottle by trying to yank it away after the officer had requested and tried taking it.2. It took three cops to subdue him and even with that a taser was used because he was still resisting.3. Because others were drinking and hadn't given up their drinks, doesn't mean he is allowed to.The police were allowing public drinking, when they didn't have to, either way he is in the wrong. He is lucky he didn't get hit with more charges.

july241983 7 years, 4 months ago

The fifth amendment says that the government cannot take someone's property without due process and just compensation.

july241983 7 years, 4 months ago

"There's disobeying tazation without representation, or quartering soldiers in your home, and then there's "No way, man, you can't have my beer"?"___Then, is it ok for me to disobey for senseless electrocution of my fellow citizens?

bd 7 years, 4 months ago

I would like to hear the other side of this loser's story!

FatTony 7 years, 4 months ago

July-"The fifth amendment says that the government cannot take someone's property without due process and just compensation."He was compensated with a nice tasing and a stay in the 2 hour stay in the pokey.

LLSR1234 7 years, 4 months ago

What an emo picture! When did the LJWorld get so artsy fartsy? Sheesh!

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

so much support for the government's use of force against a fellow citizen...not surprising: I guess...

Mike4Freedom 7 years, 4 months ago

Yup, the majority of commenters are of the opinion that the police are always right. Even though we all should know by now that Tasers are lethal. There was a taser related death in Topeka (of a Lawrence resident) just two weeks ago). Police are told in training that tasers are safe and it is just fine to torture some poor shnook taxpayer anytime and you are doing him a favor by not beating him with a stick. Tasers are lethal and should not be used except where lethal force is justified. Carrying a bottle just does not cut it. Better take those taser toys away from our employee police before they kill too many taxpayers.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

july241983 (Anonymous) says: "The fifth amendment says that the government cannot take someone's property without due process and just compensation."True, but you don't get to debate the constitution in the middle of Mass Street in a crowd of drunk celebrating students. First you comply, then later you get to raise your constitutional rights issue in front of a judge. You have no right to resist arrest, lawful or unlawful. BTW, what are the odds that a judge is going to decide that his due process rights were violated and that a check in compensation for $1.00 will be sent to this moron?

fu7il3 7 years, 4 months ago

To be fair, the story on the heart attack guy said he didn't die as a result of the taser. He died because he was face down on the ground with this hands behind his back.

joshua23 7 years, 4 months ago

I was there, were you there? The reporter put the spin on it, and the Captain has been misinformed. The first officer and I had worked it out, I had agreed to go back down the block. The tackling and tasering were completely unnecessary. My main point is that during the 2nd tasering, my hands WERE behind my back and what's more is that I was shouting that they were. I believe that the second tasering was due to the willfulness of the second officer for the purpose of training me to be compliant. Perhaps some of you view yourselves as no better than dogs, but as for myself, I know better. Who do you think the officers work for? They work for you.

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 4 months ago

grizdad,When you have few thousand people, situations are different. There is always the court where you can bring your injustice too. Most police forces have instructions on when to and when not to do certain things. The cops are bounded by these instructions.

Confrontation 7 years, 4 months ago

Actually, I'm just glad this is a white guy. We don't need Al Sharpton in town.

Confrontation 7 years, 4 months ago

its_getting_warmer (Anonymous) says: "speaking of basketball games, I wished someone would replay the UNC-KU game. It interests me much more than the Memphis game. I didn't tape it originally and I want to snare it. Sooo delicious."I'd love to see the last three games sold as a set. Coverage of the "welcome back" at Memorial Stadium, the parade, and the awards ceremony would also be a nice added bonus.

Tab 7 years, 4 months ago

The guy admits to telling an authority figure "no". Doesn't that say it all? He obviously does not have respect for authority/rules/law etc... so why should they respect him?If he didn't know why they asked for the bottle, he should have asked for an explanation. Sounds like a spoiled brat that deserved what he got!

supercowbellninja 7 years, 4 months ago

so, uh, why is this a story? sounds to me like the guy had it coming if he behaved this way...I'm sure being tased sucks and cops seem too quick on the draw at times, but man, obey the law.

Keith 7 years, 4 months ago

MKH:"the cop was on a power strip"Well of course he was, those Tasers won't power themselves you know.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Just a little reminder for everybody that forgot. ANY Police Officer, State Trooper, Sheriffs Deputy, etc., that is carrying a Taser has themselves been tasered before being certified. They do the same thing with pepper spray. They do this so the officers will know what it feels like to be tased so they don't randomly tase people. Having said that, tasers wouldn't be on the street if they were lethal because there would be a lot of dead police officers from being tased. If you remember when pepper spray was first introduced there were a lot of "pepper spray related deaths". Do you hear of any "pepper spray related deaths" anymore (other than the occasional personal with highly sensitive asthma)? No, you don't. This is what will happen with Tasers. Eventually all this crap of them being lethal will go away and the next law enforcement apparatus will come out and it will create a big hubbub and cause a lot of "insert name related deaths".

lounger 7 years, 4 months ago

Yet ANOTHER case in point as to why tasers are not for Lawrence-and it was a state trooper (Go figure). Josh is correct in saying that it is a lack of communication. ANY police officer who has a taser should go through as many hours in communication skill classes as they do in fire arm skills.

Jim Williamson 7 years, 4 months ago

What's amazing to me is that the "This is America, the cops are out of control" crowd are so willing to take what this bonehead's version of the story as gospel. You're getting one side of the story in this article, and I'm willing my house and two cars that this guy is leaving out some very important parts of this interaction -- such as when the cop said, "No glass bottles allowed."

BrianR 7 years, 4 months ago

So if I'm reading this correctly the officer could've stated, "Yo, can't have any glass bottles past this point." and it would've been the end of the story? I saw officers several times that evening telling people they couldn't carry glass downtown and the people were cool with it.

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 4 months ago

When has taser becomes such an evil weapon? It's supposed to do just that: On people who resist arrest or do things that they were told to do, by the cops.My honest advice, if you see a cop, behave. Do what they tell you to do, if it's reasonable (like putting your alcohol away). If we don't give the cops this power, we'll lose control of our own safety.

LMLYP 7 years, 4 months ago

"The reporter put the spin on it, and the Captain has been misinformed."Sounds like more "spin" to me.It's not like you could not have gotten another beer from the many bars downtown. You got what you deserved IMO.

May Soo 7 years, 4 months ago

The easiest thing to do is to just gave up the bottle when told by the LE and go on his way to enjoy the celebration.

LMLYP 7 years, 4 months ago

"19,999 other fans (most of whom were under the age of 32) were able to party as hard as they wanted with no problems, yet I'm supposed to get upset that this grown man couldn't manage to navigate a conversation with a cop?"EXACTLY!!!!!

HW 7 years, 4 months ago

20,000 people and one was tazed. Maybe the cops side of the story would shed some light on this. If the cops were out just looking for people to taze, I am sure they could have found more than one in a crowd of 20,000. York, did it smart a little bit?

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

I read somewhere that no one wearing a NASCAR hat has ever been tased...

jayhawks911 7 years, 4 months ago

Why does this guy get his 15 minutes of fame as an idiot? Because he is one

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

grlzdad (Anonymous) says: Police in Topeka just tased a guy who was having a heart attack and killed him. Of course they are covering it up now, but he was in his car trying to get to the hospital and they wanted him out of the car,so they tased him. Now he's dead-------------------------------------------------------------------------If he was just trying to get to the hospital, why didn't he accept the ride in the ambulance that was already there? You know, the one he wouldn't get into prompting the call to the sheriff's department in the first place.

KS 7 years, 4 months ago

It's the long hair man, the long hair. That's what got him! :)

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

KSnope... it's not the long hair... construction workers and bikers have long hair...nope... there's something different about this fella...yep... he looks... ummm... uh... different...

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 4 months ago

I ask myself: Was there a lack of communication or a lack of ability to communicate? Do drunk people hear well? In my 25 years in Lawrence, I've asked dozens of drunks to turn down their stereos so I could sleep - not ONE (literally: never) of them seemed to "get it" until I called the cops.So, who do you "believe"?

Hawks22 7 years, 4 months ago

The real issue is - Did this guy deserve to be tasered? Based on what I have seen - not at all. What if it was you? Where is the video?

jhawkpow 7 years, 4 months ago

Josh said "The first officer and I had worked it out, I had agreed to go back down the block." So why was he taken down by a different officer? Sounds to me that the state trooper who took him down was out of line. The officer who had made the agreement with Josh should of stepped in, when the trooper went to take him down. Obviously the trooper didn't know what was going on. And how does that look for the officer, when the state trooper just disregards everything he just told Josh? It sounds like communication was laking between the officers and troopers as well.

mom_of_three 7 years, 4 months ago

no one was hurt, except a few egos. Won't have to worry about it again until next year.

rollcar 7 years, 4 months ago

To use an analogy that people in this town should understand, police are like basketball referees. When the ref blows the whistle, you stop what you are doing and you listen. And if you feel the need to lip off and argue the call, prepare to be t-d up. Nobody's saying you have to like it, and you should feel free to complain later in a proper forum, but if you want to play the game you do have to abide by the ref's calls.

jhawkpow 7 years, 4 months ago

OldEnuf2BYurDadI never heard that he was drunk, and just because he had a bottle of beer does NOT mean that he was!

compmd 7 years, 4 months ago

Mariann,My, quite the anarchist, eh? Don't worry, karma will get you, most likely when there are no police to help you.

Scott Tichenor 7 years, 4 months ago

Repeating, when a police officer, sheriff or highway patrol asks you to do something, the correct answer is "yes, sir".The rest of this story has turned into a shameful example of the Journal World exploiting a hot-button issue to drive up their web traffic. Disgraceful.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

nuggetwhat if the police officer, sheriff or highway patrol is a woman?

Erin Parmelee 7 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe that this stupid little story has generated 145 comments. Bottom line, no one knows what transpired except Mr. York, and the cops involved. And of course Mr. York has a spin. His word isn't gospel, and we haven't heard the other side of this. But come on people--Mr. York included--this is common sense. If a cop tells you (either verbally or with body language i.e. grabbing the bottle) to get rid of the glass beer bottle you are lugging around on a public street, do it! What was the point in taking a stand on this issue? "Everyone else is, but I'm being picked on??" Oh please, man-up. In case anyone forgot, walking around downtown Lawrence with a beer is illegal. The powers that be were gracious enough to let that slide during the celebrations, and only one person managed to get himself tased. I'm guessing there's more to the story.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."-- Geroge Orwell

kugrad2003 7 years, 4 months ago

It was widely reported that no glass or cans would be allowed downtown after the Final Four games - by newspapers, television and radio. Yes, there was booze downtown, but come on - did Josh really think that there would be 30,000 fans with glass bottles?Bottom line - when an officer tells you to hand over your booze, do it. I bet if he would have asked, the officer would have made mention that glass bottles weren't allowed downtown that night, but I don't see any mention of that happening. At 32 years old, you should know better.

FormerCentralKansan 7 years, 4 months ago

So one guy out of how many thousands on both nights gets into with the cops and freely he admits he was violating the law? People who get arrested usually try to minimize their behavior and actions so I bet there is more to this story than we know. It is really easy---do what the cops say and you won't have any trouble. Despite the lame attempts to portray the LPD as "pigs" and "fascists", I thought they did a great job letting everyone party on Mass Street after both games.

Joel Hood 7 years, 4 months ago

DonQuipunch, at least they took him to jail and didn't force him to bring back a shrubbery!

kansasredlegs 7 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe the comments on this story. The sheep ist mere sheep! Johnny Law says jump, and the Lawrencian Sheep say, How high, officer?If the bottle was unopened as indicated in the story, the officer should be charged with attempted theft as he attempted to exert unauthorized control over the property of another with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of its use and enjoyment.When I checked the local ordinances I failed to locate any ordinance making it a violation to carry an unopened beer bottle downtown. I don't care what the heck was published, broadcast, etc. since in a City of First Class an ordinance does not take effect until passed by the City Commission and then published. Oops.Law enforcement is to enforce the laws, not make them up as they go along. After the win against UNC, I didn't see any emergency public broadcast announcements declaring martial law in the downtown area.The only thing this guy needs to learn is that the COPS are always right until court. They will always win on the street. The win in this case will occur when the City of Lawrence and/or Mr. Branson NO-CHARGES this B.S. and then quietly declines to prosecute the officers for their actions.Another bright, shining example of why the City of Lawrence needs to rethink its taser policy.

Puff_Dragon 7 years, 4 months ago

I don't think the juice was turned up enough. He still has that smart aleck smirk and his eyeballs are off kilter.Next time give the 'plan B'

Jeremy Lichtenauer 7 years, 4 months ago

There are some who argue the bottle was not opened.Whether it was or not, I don't know.The cops obviously weren't worried about someone consuming in public. I saw literally hundreds of interactions between cops and people with bottles and cans. The revelers handed over their bottles or cans and went about their merry way.The cops were worried about people throwing items into the crowd. Throwing a plastic cup, no big deal.Throwing a 1/2 full can of beer, still not too bad.Throwing an unopened bottle of beer indiscriminately into the crowd and striking someone in the head, POTENTIALLY DEADLY!!!

Eric Beightel 7 years, 4 months ago

I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to accommodate ANY request from a police officer as has been endorsed on this board. Occasionally they are counting on the public to be unaware of their rights and hope to circumvent that whole "due process" thing to find an easy, if slighly unconstitutional, solution to a problem. I agree, however, that simply stating "no" to a request without asking some sort of clarifying question was probably not the best move. However, I'm very reluctant to make any law enforcement individual's life any easier when it comes to encroaching on my own civil liberties.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

crawling out of the woodwork... people standing up for liberty...

Moderateguy 7 years, 4 months ago

"Mr. Spock, set phasers on Erudition."Joshua, you have a long, hard road ahead of you dude.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

What a BOZO!The cops should have taken him out of the gene pool.HAHAHAHAHAHA

Eric Neuteboom 7 years, 4 months ago

I am amazed at the comments on this page. AMAZED! Reading the idiotic ramblings on here about fascism, civil liberties being violated, etc. makes my head want to explode! My two cents: He got was he deserved. You "mess" with the bull, sometimes you get the horns.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Where is Chuck Norris when you need him? Is he still trying to endorse Mike Huckabee for President?

pisafromthewest 7 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says: "Overall, we really don't have enough information from this article to know whether the police acted responsibly or not."After saying:"The cops were wrong to tase this guy"Me think heap big clownie speak with forked tongue.- - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - - - - -screedposter (Anonymous) says: "So is shooting someone, but guns are still legal."Just a guess here, but I'll bet if Mr. York had had a gun in his hand instead of a bottle of beer, he would have gotten a tad more than tazed.

Eric Beightel 7 years, 4 months ago

If you read my comment, I specifically state that asking a clarifying question to determine their reasons for making a demand would have been appropriate. I'm simply advocating the responsibility of the people to not lay down every time an officer demands that you do something. I'm not commenting on this story directly as I have no way of knowing exactly what went down.

Hoots 7 years, 4 months ago

A cop grabbed my can of beer on the sidewalk so I let him have it with a smile. I wasn't about to make a thing over a 50 cent can of beer. I just went and bought a big beer in a plastic cup. Problem solved. I could have been a jerk and then I would of had a Buzz with my Buzz.

BrianR 7 years, 4 months ago

I say the officer be charged with battery?Get it?Charged.With battery....

Alison Roberts 7 years, 4 months ago

Ummm.. How is it a breakdown of communication, dude? He asked him to get rid of the bottle and he refused. The tasing was justified--in my opinion. And personally, I would prefer to be tased over getting beaten with a baton.Although, I think they could have tried a little hard to get the bottle away from him. Or, they could have simply taken him in at that moment, without the taser. Who knows... either way, he didnt comply--so action was taken. Is he crying about it now? Perhaps he doesnt remember them telling him why he couldnt have the bottle. Thats entirely possible with all the drinking going on.

Mark Bowers 7 years, 4 months ago

Unfortinately a lot of people blindly take the side of the police just because they blindly believe that all "authority" figures are in the "right." A lot of P.O.s take advantage of their power and get off on abusing those that cause them grief. If you read some of these blogs a lot of people state that you shouldn't mess with the cops b/c they have enough to deal with and if you do, you can expect to be tased. That is out of control thinking. The police are suppose to be able to handle situations like Mr. York w/out having to tase people. No, these cops were in bad moods and wanted to take it out on someone, anyone that gave them the opportunity. Does that mean that Mr. York was 100% innocent no, it means that the cops were unable to contain themselves and their pent up rage from a job that demands to much of a person. If you want a lot of these situations to go away, pay the cops the same for 1/3 less time put in. To much is put on a cops shoulders and that is why we have tasing, beatings, fallacious charges, ect... that causes people to have a high disregard for authority.

hornhunter 7 years, 4 months ago

York should have listened to them before the big can of whop-buzz was opened, but Capt. Dek Kruger did not really tell York he was under arrest before the flow of electrons. Or is that part missing?

pisafromthewest 7 years, 4 months ago

bowers79 (Anonymous) says: "Unfortinately a lot of people blindly take the side of the police just because they blindly believe that all "authority" figures are in the "right." "Unfortunately a lot of people blindly take the side against the police because they blindly believe that all "authority" figures are in the "wrong."logicsound comes to mind.

Jeremy Lichtenauer 7 years, 4 months ago

While Mr. personality was debating his civil rights with the cops, he was armed with a full (possibly) bottle of beer. The cops, especially KHP troopers, don't mess around in those situatiions. To facilitate a quick and safe arrest for all involved, he met Dr. Watts!!! What's the difference between a beer bottle or any other bludgeon that can injure or cause death?http://www.local6.com/news/15874963/detail.htmlI venture to say the safety of many outweigh the personal needs of one in this case. Could always have turned out worse, I guess.

Jeremy Lichtenauer 7 years, 4 months ago

Never trust anyone who looks like a Dr. Seuss character, I say.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

19,999 people understood there were NO bottles allowed for their safety and the safety of others, all except 32 year Joshua York, genius, who for whatever reason decided to make it a constitutional federal case; "the right of the people to keep and bear beer bottles shall not be abridged." He won't give up his bottle of brewsky till they pry it from his cold dead hands. Refusing a lawful order of a LEO gets you arrested for disorderly. Resisting an arrest for disorderly, lawful or not, gets you tazed. What part of resisting arrest do you all not get? How is it that 19,999 people after the UNC game and 40,000 after the Memphis game of all ages and stages of sobriety understood, but this 32 year old genius did not?Where is Dr. Phil when you really need him?

kansasredlegs 7 years, 4 months ago

Beer-Grabbing TROOPER: Did you see him flop around like a fish when volts were flowing? Ha! Ha! Ha!Tackling TROOPER: Yeah, that was the shizznit! That always brings their left-leaning, liberal view points back to right of center, doesn't it.LKPD OFFICER: Now that you mention it, all that flopping seemed like resistance to me, in fact, he may have even tried to kick me. To be safe, you'd better add Resisting Arrest and Obstruction of Legal Process for all the moving around he did when he got those 50,000 volts.Let's see who's laughing and yucking it up when the video of the arrest is uploaded onto YouTube. Police simply forget to check the crowd for those pesky little camera cell phones, etc. Can you say, suspension without pay? Good Luck in your next career, jackbooters!

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

If there's an actual video that refutes the police's version of the story then I will retract my support for them and apologize to Mr. York. Butttttt, until then, you're still a freaking moron.

fitted_shirt 7 years, 4 months ago

I thought there were just sexual assaults and vandalism and battery going on after the big win. For instance, a guy got hit in the head with a hammer in topeka; another guy who works at the Replay in Lawrence got hit in the head with a bottle, fell down, cracked his head open, was in intensive care in K.C. A father was celebrating at the parade last weekend with his kids - a man (presumably drunk) punched the father in the face at random. (Was the man just so excited he couldn't help himself?)The answer is: YES! You see, there are certain moments when people are so overjoyed that they are allowed, by law, to critically injure others. What is intolerable, though, is walking around in the street with a bottle of booze. Clearly, that booze should be placed in a plastic cup, where it will be consumed tastefully, in the street, with the rest of booze.

Bossa_Nova 7 years, 4 months ago

ok everybody, just so this doesnt happen at the next massive street party in lawrence, i will start a charity that will use the procedes to buy plastic cups for those who don't want to surrender or empty their brew. the police can hand them out to prove they are compassionate. and if the charity has enough money we will include free condoms with the cups just in case somebody tries to say we are promoting irresponsible partying. ok, did i cover all my bases or did I forget something?

somebodynew 7 years, 4 months ago

jcsmith - maybe I missed something in the other 200+ posts - what video are you talking about. Please post a link or directions on how to find it, because I certainly havn't seen one on this thread.

pisafromthewest 7 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says: "I don't "blindly believe that all authority figures are wrong"."Uh, right.The following is a list of idealogicsound's posts where he defended the police or even gave them the benefit of the doubt instead of calling their actions automatically wrong:1-2-3-4-5-..."If you'll notice, I'm not calling for the officer's head or job,"...this time..."I'm just expressing my opinion that the use of the taser was unjustified in this situation."Because, after all, logicsound was there, and he saw it all. He wouldn't be basing such a ludicrous ... and blindly idealogical ... opinion on just a few lines in a newspaper story, after all."How on earth did the poor little police force deal with big, bad miscreants like Mr. York before technology allowed them to carry mini electrocution devices?"Generally with a nightstick, a blackjack, or the butt of a gun. Ah, the good old days. "not to mention the fact that you are quite the antagonist."Whereas being a pompous buffoon who makes a career out of posting garbage with his baseless opinions about events he has no knowledge of besides a few words in the award-winning LJW isn't antagonistic. Well, it probably isn't ... it's probably just idealogicsound's combination of idealogy and idiocy.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous user cool (Anonymous) says: "seems like a policeman could get one guy to release a beer without a taser ?"32 year old Joshua York, Genius, was tazed because he was resisting his arrest. I suspect that he release the bottle as he was being taken to the ground. Probably should be charged with littering.Anonymous user cool (Anonymous) says: "isn't this obvious ?" The only thing that is obvious is your reading comprehension skills are matched only by your oratorical persuasiveness. Anonymous user cool (Anonymous) says: "WOW no uncontrolled beers have ever been on MASS have they ?"WOW - you've forgotten to read any of the article haven't you?

purplesage 7 years, 4 months ago

Wow! The weapon of choice, the tool for every occasion. I don't drink and have no use for alcohol. Still, this incident is cause for real concern. If, as described, he held the bottle up, he obviously was not trying to hide anything. What is the first response of anyone who has something grabbed from his hand without explanation? The cops were geared up for confrontation and they over-reacted. I am amazed that there isn't more misuse of firearms; the taser seems to be used virtually without restraint. The sick guy at Goodyear ought to be enough to illustrate the overuse of tasers. Wake up folks. It is becomeing a police state.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

purplesage (Anonymous) says: "Still, this incident is cause for real concern. If, as described, he held the bottle up, he obviously was not trying to hide anything."Still, this incident isn't about alcohol, concealed alcohol, or public intoxication. It is about resisting arrest for not complying with a request that 19,999 other people had no problem with, "NO Bottles."Forgive me if I don't share your concerns when 99.994999749987499374968748437422% of the people understood and had absolutely no problems.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Everybody is correct the United States is Definitely becoming a police state. Seriously, look at the lack of freedom of speech, press, religion, bear arms (not beer), search and seizure (well kinda with the Patriot Act...but I digress), Trial by Jury, prohibition of excessive bail- seriously $100 bond, that is freaking ridiculous, civil trial by juries, and the whole thing about the States having the powers other than the expressed and implied powers. So yes, basically we're in a police state. WTF!? You wackos need to quit smokin so much dang pot.

Gina Bailey-Carbaugh 7 years, 4 months ago

Moral of the story: If a law officer tells you to put down the bottle of beer, then put down the bottle of beer. THEN ask questions.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Mariann (Anonymous) says: "Some great redstate comments from a great low IQ redstater:..duh"Let me guess, your an Obama supporter?

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous user Mariann (Anonymous) says: "Nope- indy.I wonder why you and your type are very quick to steriotype and judge others::Puck the Folice"It was the "your type," "redstater," "steriotype," "low IQ" comments that threw me off, apologies. Exactly who is the "indy" candidate this year?

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous user Mariann (Anonymous) says: "Nope- indy.I wonder why you and your type are very quick to steriotype and judge others::Puck the Folice"It was the "your type," "redstater," "steriotype," "low IQ" comments that threw me off, apologies. Exactly who is the "indy" candidate you'll be voting for this year?

sdinges 7 years, 4 months ago

nugget: "Hint, when a police office asks you to do anything, the correct answer is always "Yes, sir". Guess this is why they go to college, to learn."Are you serious? You seriously have that much blind faith in law enforcement? The correct answer in many instances is: "Do you have a warrant?" or "Only after I talk to my lawyer." or "Can I please see some I.D.?" or "Am I under arrest?"In this silly fellow's case a simple "Why?" rather than "No." probably would have sufficed. As someone pointed out - he was not charged with anything and his offense consisted of a 100 dollar bail. Somehow a 100 dollar bail and no charges does not make a convincing argument for the taser.Cops are human beings. They can be bad, they can be good, they can be smart or stupid. One thing they often are is egotistical - often to the detriment of regular people.

pisafromthewest 7 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says: "As usual, pisawork, you fall back on the tired, "we don't know exactly what happened, so you can't form an opinion unless you are supporting the cops" argument."Ah, yes, the "tired old argument" of suggesting that maybe a person should know the facts before rendering judgment. What a tired argument."Don't you ever get tired of giving cops the benefit of the doubt just because they're cops?"Don't you ever get tired of giving the perpetrator the benefit of the doubt just because you hate cops?"As I said earlier, I suspect many of the people who are rushing to defend the trained sheriff's supposed need to use a taser to deal with this situation have never had to deal with an overzealous law enforcement officer before."And you have never had to deal with an "overzealous" perpetrator before. You, as usual, have no compunction against alleging a job was performed improperly when you wouldn't last 5 minutes trying to do that job.By the way, idealogicsound, I take back what I said about you rendering judgment based on a few lines in a newspaper story. You obviously didn't even bother reading that, either. If you had, you might have noticed that it was not a "sheriff" who tased the perpetrator, but a Kansas Highway Patrol officer. But don't let not knowing what the F you're talking about stop you from pontificating ... you never do.I'm sure your constant statements like "I'd have preferred not to deal with you at all" prefacing your immediately jumping in to do so isn't "passive agressive." And passing judgment without knowing ... or evidently even caring ... about the related facts, and claiming you somehow won the argument when all you did was point out how ignorant you were when you made your statements ... now that's the mark of a childish troll. "I'd rather be an idealistic "buffoon" "Well, you got your wish there. Enjoy your little world where you know all the answers, little boy. Maybe if and when you grow up you'll find out what an a** you are, but I doubt you'll believe it ... after all, the facts have never influenced your opinion before.

rhd99 7 years, 4 months ago

Mr. "Don't Taze Me, Bro" of Lawrence got what he deserved. Thanks, MacHeath. Word to the wise, folks, this chump got what he deserved.

rhd99 7 years, 4 months ago

I close today leaving you all with this thought: In the LJW editorial, there is this Memphis fan, who wrote to commend the Jayhawk fans for the class they demonstrated during the tournament. Going on, the writer clearly showed disappointment that Memphis did not win, but gave Jayhawk fans kudos for not being rude or beligerent during the games. Now, are we going to let p.c. (politically correct) nuts out there, like Mr. "Don't Taze me Bro" of Lawrence, be the bad apple that spoils the orchard of KU fans that do have class, & dictate that it's okay to break the rules & not suffer consequences?

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

~chuckle~damn... why would anyone even imagine that this fellow might have "winged this bottle into the crowd"?ridiculous...

MyName 7 years, 4 months ago

I didn't know about the glass bottle prohibition on Sat. either, though I wasn't exactly interested in starting a conversation on the relative merits of plastic and glass with the LPD. I was just annoyed and confused as to why I was forced to throw out perfectly good beer.I guess that's where I differ with the gentleman in the article.

mistygreen 7 years, 4 months ago

Mariann :Do you realize how uneducated you appear to the blogging public? It certainly adds creditability to all of your rants.Yeah, I'm going keep waving my flag, keep going to church, keep on voting, and keep on owning property, and PAYING TAXES.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

if someone is going to blab about how uneducated someone else appears to be they might want to proofread their own posts before posting... and... what the heck is the "blogging public"?does posting comments here make someone a blogger?I don't think so:I think posting here makes us blabbers:and... just to throw this in... while I'm blabbing...I'd bet a ton of money that Mariann is better educated than most of the blabbers on this board...

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Yes, I'm the 250th comment on here! Wahoo!

mistygreen 7 years, 4 months ago

Ok, stuckinthemiddle:please help me understand what it is that people are doing when they post comments? I must have misunderstood that posting comments was blogging. I was under the impression that we all belong to an internet community that wishes to express our thoughts and opinions, and when we do express ourselves, we are considered bloggers. Since this is a public forum, I thought the term blogging public was appropriate. According to you, it is not appropriate terminology. Could you please inform me as to the correct terminology so I will never make this mistake again??As for Mariann being better educated than most of the "blabbers" on this board, I'm sure she is educated and computer savvy enough to use spell check. I suppose in her rants she is so thought focused that she just forgets. I thought I would send her a friendly reminder.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

mistygreenlook just to the right of the "Post a comment" box and you'll find a "Post a blong entry" option... an option to "blog" about this article... rather than just comment...that might explain... or inform about as well as anything...as for Mariann and spell check you may be onto something... her "rants" do show focused thought and maybe she does forget about spelling... or maybe she just doesn't care about spelling...

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 4 months ago

mistygreenoops... I forgot to proofread...that should have read "Post a blog entry" not "blong"...

mistygreen 7 years, 4 months ago

stuckinthemiddle...no problem, maybe it's a blond thing. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. I'll admit, I never really paid much attention, always assumed posting comments was the same as a blog. Guess you can teach an old dog a new trick.

pisafromthewest 7 years, 4 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says: "It's a tired argument when you use it in situations where it isn't relevant. There is plenty of information in this article to make the judgement that a taser was excessive."Because the award-winning LJW never shortens a story for space considerations. And because you've personally read the police report, right?"That doesn't give the cop the right to taser him."Why don't you just come out and say that as far as you're concerned, nothing would have given the cops the right to taser him. Again, you weren't there, were you? And when was the last time you tried to subdue someone who was being unruly and resisting, that makes you such an expert on what's necessary and what isn't?"I refuse to apologize for demanding that the cops be held to a minimum standard of decency."As well as refusing to acknowledging that you haven't the faintest idea whether they didn't meet that standard."And in your classic fashion, in absence of a valid argument, it's time to go back and start picking apart irrelevant details that have no bearing on the basic points being made. Sorry, I wrote the wrong law enforcement department.""Irrelevant?" That you didn't bother to learn the facts before rendering your expert judgment? What a sniveling little brat you are. My original contention was that you passed judgment without knowing the facts, and it's obvious that whether or not there was enough information in the story, you didn't read it too carefully. But don't let the absence of facts come between you and your expert judgment ... that would be irrelevant.Listen, poster-boy for trolldom, if you don't like the fact that people can see through your BS, that you talk out of your butt without a single piece of information to base it on, then stop posting your cr*p. Otherwise expect people to call you on it, and expose you for the pompous troll you are. You say I'm wrong, that you're not simply biased against the police? Back it up ... what evidence do you have that the use of force in this case was unjustified?Speaking of projection, troll-boy, your recurrent theme is to start with something like "I didn't want to say anything" and then droning on ad infinitum, but I'm the passive-agressive one? You say I don't have a valid argument when you're the one passing judgment without having any facts to base it on. You say I'm the one who has all the answers ... tell me where I said the use of the taser was either justified or not. Unlike you I don't make those judgments without knowing. Maybe we need to study your "entire body of work" on police tasering incidents to understand where your esteemed opinion comes from. Cretinous troll.

kusp8 7 years, 4 months ago

Here's something nobody can deny. This idiot didn't comply with a reasonable request from an officer in a situation where it wouldn't have violated his rights or any of his freedoms to give up his beer and buy a new one on Mass.

Potawatomi 7 years, 4 months ago

Jesus probably would have been tased because of his long hair and dirty hippy style.

ebyrdstarr 7 years, 4 months ago

sheesh, pisa, are you capable of posting a comment anywhere on this website without resorting to name-calling, sarcasm, and the belittling of people with whom you disagree? I can't think of a single post of yours in which you express a differing opinion in a constructive manner.Instead, you copy a line from someone else's post and rip that line and that poster to shreds in nasty, even childish ways. I'm sure I will be next for calling you out on it. But if it's fair for you to call out logicsound on what you call his/her bs, it must be fair for me to call you out on your style of posting that usually adds nothing to the topic at hand.

purplesage 7 years, 4 months ago

No glass on Mass makes perfect sense; was our victim already a little fuzzy? No matter. The PD was in confrontational mode. The law enforcement personality pits them (society) against us (law enforcement). They look at the citizenry as dirt bags who should comply with their every order. Otherwise, zap 'em or shoot 'em or otherwise abuse 'em into compliance. Police associate with police. By the nature of the job, they "don't play well with others." The more militaristic law enforcement becomes, the more of this kind of thing we are going to see. They taser is just a means of subduing that they presume to be non-lethal. There's a family, whose health-impaired loved one worked at Goodyear, who might agree to differ.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

Mariann (Anonymous) says: Like I said- if he had a nascar shirt and short hair:..he probably would have offered a brew to the cops instead of resisting having the bottle taken away.

monkeyspunk 7 years, 4 months ago

"Conformists marry, vote republian breed and will loose thier houses and trucks and boats"Let me translate: "No one will have sex with me, and I am jealous of those that have those things, but because I am a 'nonconformist', I am too cool to work for those things, so I try to make my station seems cool."

monkeyspunk 7 years, 4 months ago

Wait wait wait, I thought the stereotypical "white trash" person had the long haired mullet AND the NASCAR shirt...I am all confused now, my preconceived notions I use to judge all people and professions is shattered. How will I go on?!?!?Oh wait, I'm not Mariann and purplesage, I can make decisions based on each individual! Not by their profession or their class status or income level! Whew...what a relief.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

At least the kid didn't die. Didn't click his heels fast enough. The lpd are jealous, boy you can hear them now, hey did you see the guy who had his yard sale sign in front of his sidewalk, he flopped like a fish, lol, weird how that one old lady didn't obey, what a coincidence that the taze short circuited her pacer, reall odd.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

Windlass "The police:get off of this stalking of the petty crap."The dummy walked right up to a group of cops on the street. I would hardly consider that stalking by the police.

Buggie7 7 years, 4 months ago

The heading reads "tasing interrupts basketball celebration" Wrong!!!!! This guy is a idiot and no one cared becuase he was being an idiot. The celebration went on and never stopped because of him so where did it interrupt? I could have cared less about this guy becuase he was being a idiot. Had he been innocent maybe more would care but to say someone like him "interrupted" the celebration is ridiculous.

somebodynew 7 years, 4 months ago

OK, Can we just get a few more posters on here so we can break 300??? That would seem as important as this entire article is.

Jeremy Lichtenauer 7 years, 4 months ago

OMG Multi-d. That's the funniest thing I have seen in quite a while!!!!

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years, 4 months ago

Why, what's magic about 300?Is this bowling?Yeah!! I got 300.

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