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Obama’s ‘bitter voter’ remarks give rival Clinton an opening

April 13, 2008

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— A political tempest over Barack Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

Obama tried to quell the furor Saturday, explaining his remarks while also conceding he had chosen his words poorly.

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.

But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

Political insiders differed on whether Obama's comments, which came to light Friday, would become a full-blown political disaster that could prompt party leaders to try to steer the nomination to Clinton even though Obama has more pledged delegates. Clinton supporters were eagerly hoping so.

They handed out "I'm not bitter" stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama's comments were "elitist and out of touch."

At issue are comments he made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He was trying to explain his troubles winning over some working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials, and drew attention to a potential Obama weakness - the image some have that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.

His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage.

There has been a small "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through.

"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country."

Comments

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

snap writes:stillhavingawonderfulun-outedinternetlifewithoutresortingtoname-calling.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

The difficult thing about Obama's statement is that it's fairly accurate. It describes well many of the posters on this forum, probably you, Tom.

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

Seriously, Eggnog, how old are you?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for the link, alm77. Looks like Obama is going to make Clinton and McCain sorry they tried to distort this comment.

KLATTU 6 years, 8 months ago

Was there any chance that anyone offended by Obama's comments was actually planning on voting for him? No. I hope he doesn't back down; the people he's talking about are the people responsible for the mess we're in now. Rural America should take some advice from their Saint Reagan, and honestly ask themselves if their families are better off now than they were 8 years ago.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

This nonsense is how voters are diverted from the real issues at hand which is why dumping special interest funding of political campaigns is a damn good idea:The issues of SUBSTANCE it seems are: Bring all the troops home. The Iraq people know how to rebuild a country and run an oil business. Their oil is not our oil.40,000 disabled troops 4,000 dead troops 1,000,000 dead Iraq men,women and Children Creating new industry that cannot be outsourced Cleaner Energy Sources National Health Insurance Dumping No Child Left Behind Restoring Rights of Americans that republicans took away Reining in the power of the President Restoring the EPA Acts that the republican wiped out Restoring the USDA to a credible agency that places consumers over special interest money* Voter Rights NOT special interest rights:Campaigns go too long,spend way too much money and do not necessarily provide the best available.It is up to us to stop the nonsense at the voting booths on the 2008 ballot.Not voting sends the wrong message and changes nothing.Lets's demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/Demand a change on the 2008 ballot. We need public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out.http://www.publicampaign.org/Who would be against Public Funding?Vote Smart Vote Practical Vote Fiscally Responsible Vote Socially ResponsibleVote Obama!

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

merril, you've given up on Ron Paul? I can't believe it!You fickle person.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 8 months ago

Well, well. A politician candidate comes out and speaks the real truth, and he gets crucified in the media and by his opponants. We get all bent out of shape because these people lie to us and misrepresent their views, and when Mr. Obama speaks the clear and undeniable truth, the rafters start to ring with screams of delight and despair. I think we all know that this was the plain truth, undereducated and illiterate people (this is no crime, by the way) tend to be the victims of hokey religion and "solve it with a gun" philosophy. There are a lot of these people everywhere, not just in Pennsylvania, but I guess Mr. Obama thinks there might be a concentration of them there. They live by rote learning, someone else tells them something, and lacking the intellectual ability to think clearly for themselves, they follow the seemingly obvious. This is how we get "leaders" like George Bush. I do not condemn Mr. Obama for his clear thinking, but I might have reservations for stating it in such a clear way that many of the subjects of his statement will just react like small childern.

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

Gee, I wonder if we can surmise who the editorial board of the award-winning LJW wants to get the Democratic nomination. Still not a single word in this "newspaper" about Hillary's "misspeak" on her Bosnian trip, or her husband's recent comments digging the hole deeper. And yet Comments from Obama's minister and off-handed (poorly thought out but at least spontaneous, not deliberate lies like the Clintons') make headlines.Way to be impartial reporters of the news, LJW. Guess that also explains why, six months down the road, a newspaper in a college town still hasn't made mention of Hillary's desire to scrap the student loan program. And the publishers of the LJW wonder why people prefer to get their news online rather than buying a printed newspaper.

ralphralph 6 years, 8 months ago

... uh, I think that's Lewinski ... Obama just lies.

texburgh 6 years, 8 months ago

What's all the stink? Obama's comments are correct. Out of frustration and a real sense of bitterness about government, there are hordes of people who now take their frustrations out on a host of issues bandied about by Fox "news" and radio hate - guns, immigrants, abortion, etc. There is no discourse about what's really right for the country; just rants about illegals and abortionists and those who would take our guns. And thanks to the bitterness and the way they vote - usually against their own economic interests - we are buried in an endless and senseless war in Iraq, we have record deficits, the dollar is in collapse, and we are on the verge of (if not now in) a serious recession. Obama seeks to replace that bitterness with hope - a belief that we CAN do better. And by believing, we WILL do better.HIllary, by latching on to this in desperation, feeds the problem. Obama; Oh-8.

Centerville 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's see: don't cling to God, cling to my Government. About 100 million people have been there, and only a few lived to tell about it. This guy is in reality kindergarden.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

In his attack against Obama's comments about bitter voters, Marion calls Democrats "Demonrats." Ironic, sad and bitter, all in one fell swoop. Too funny, and thanks for proving Obama's point. By the way Marion, I thought you were promising us you were going to forever log yourself off of this site. Please, don't let us stop you.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

bea, I think that was the Grey Goose talking thru Marion.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

So you're saying that your a$$holeness is purely innate, then, Tom?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 8 months ago

Centerville, you are one of the folks Obama is speaking of. You need a course in logic and syntax. And by the way the word is spelled "kindergarten" and it is direct from the German meaning "childern's garden" No religious gun toting illiterate here.

Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

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Robert bickers 6 years, 8 months ago

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that,"Ah, the old non-apology apology.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

"...Some hard-working Americans find it insulting when rich elites explain away things dear to their hearts as desperation. It would be like a white politician telling blacks they cling to charismatic churches to compensate for their plight. And it vindicates centrist Democrats who have been arguing for a decade that their party has allowed itself to look culturally out of touch with the American mainstream..."Read more at: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9561.html

Centerville 6 years, 8 months ago

I stand corrected: Obama lives in reality kindergarten.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

John McCain wants to continue George Bush's war in Iraq and he supports the continuation of George Bush's failing economic policies that give favor to the monied elite in this country. Obama does not. This is why Obama will be sworn in as the next President of the United States. I love that this will make some, like Marion, even more bitter than they are now.

Daytrader23 6 years, 8 months ago

Well is the working class not bitter? Earning 7 to 10 dollars an hour with no benefits. Last time I checked (which is daily)10 dollars is pretty close to being worthless. In fact it is worthless with the price of oil and commodities being where they are. And guess what America? The dollar is only going lower. Which means you will only be able to buy less and go even further in debt. I agree with Obama, at least he has the balls to speak the truth which is what most Americans don't want to hear. Most Americans would prefer the same old song and dance bullshiite lies. Go on, vote another war time republican and say bye bye to Americas overall strength, if it has any left.

Daytrader23 6 years, 8 months ago

Marion says "Obama is a front man for the likes of Soros, etc." Considering I am in the same business as Soros (investing and trading) I have to disagree with you. Clinton would be that candidate. If there ever was a candidate who represents the working class it would be Obama, whom I support. Yes I may have to pay more taxes once he is president but I don't care as I have morals and pride for my country and that is worth paying for. He is the best hope to get us out of this HUGE hole that both Clinton and Bush have dug for us. Look around, America is in shambles, High school graduates are three times dumber than 8th graders in Europe. The whole world knows that the average American can't find India on a map. And people belive McCain or Clinton will solve this problem, Yeah, and I got a beach house in Switzerland. (for those who don't know Switzerland is a land locked country with a population of 7 million and a currency that is stronger than the U.S dollar.)

yankeelady 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama isn't saying anything new. Remember "what's the Matter with Kansas?" He is right . Love the bittervoters.orgsite. He is right. This uproar and hypocritcal reaction from the Clinton's isn't going to have legs. I am disappointed in Hillary, I thought she was for change.

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says: "George Bush's failing economic policies that give favor to the monied elite in this country"Ah, bea, that green-eyed monster look is so unbecoming.The 1% that Obama wants to tax already pay almost 40% of all income taxes. That's favoritism most would prefer to live without. Maybe the other 99% should pay their fair share instead of btching we're not robbing the rich enough, and do away with such "favored" status.Yep, Obama's stand on taxes ... raising them on that "favored" 1% ... is pretty easy to sell. The 99% are always willing to steal more from those they overwhelmingly outnumber so they don't have to pay themselves. And sheeple like our dear bea, with her class envy oozing from the seams, just eat that kind of crp right up.

bearded_gnome 6 years, 8 months ago

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.not a real apology, and everybody knows that.***elitist comments by Barry H. O'bama wherein he looks down his nose at people who oppose illegal immigration, believe in something greater than themselves, and value the right to self defense. remember, o'bama wants to give drivers' licenses to illegals! he is opposed to securing the border. and he puts down us who believe passionately that the law should be respected, calling us bitter. his elitist san francisco speech really demonstrates his true values. what will continued open borders do for the poorest among us? make work harder to find. depress wages. drain school and medical resources from real americans. so, one need not be bitter to oppose rampant lawbreaking Mr. O'bama! apparently, it tells us something about O'bama's faith too. his "church" is in the united church of christ, a very far left liberal church that digresses sharply from the content of the Bible. then in his particular church's case, black liberation theology is taught, having no contact with the reality in the Bible. it does however include: "kill the white oppressor" and teaches that all whites are the oppressor. o'bama sat under this for twenty years. did he go to this faith because he was bitter? his life certainly didn't include much to be bitter about with the life his white grandma gave him and the big time school he attended etc. o'bama=uniter? I don't think so. not this way. and this scandal has legs. interesting to note how the o'bama supporters on this thread further the elitism...they think they know better than the poor dumb schlubs o'bama was talking about. they see things better than the bitter hardworking believers who count on the second amendment. speaking of which, was it bitterness that put the first amendment in the constitution? "congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion ... or the free exercise." or bitterness that prompted the adoption of the second amendment?

gccs14r 6 years, 8 months ago

I wish Obama would quit apologizing for speaking the truth.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Pisa, call it what ever you want. Though you will refuse to believe me, I can assure you my views have nothing to do with class envy. I just don't want to see the country fall into such a financial hole that we are some day begging the Chinese and Saudi Arabia to bail us out. (It might be too late.)The simple fact is that your hero George W. Bush gave massive tax cuts to the wealthiest of the wealthy during a time of war (!) and an out of control deficit that has doubled during his eight years in office. You support both the war and the tax cuts, which means you must also be in favor of the doubling of the deficit. John McCain shares the economic and militaristic views with George Bush. Most Americans aren't in favor of these things, hence the popularity of Barack Obama, our next President. And Marion keeps calling people names. Oh, how so very cute. The funny thing is, he calls Obama a "prince," despite the fact that this son of an immigrant from Kenya earned everything he has on his own. On the other hand, Marion's super-hero George W. Bush was a flunky student who was allowed into Yale and granted positions of power simply because of who his father is. He certainly didn't earn his way to the top. (Does anybody honestly think George W. Bush got into Yale because of his keen intellect?) Talk about your undeserving prince! If his father hadn't been President, I doubt most people would even be willing to buy a used car from George Jr. But keep calling Senator Obama funny names -- it is a clear sign of the desperate and the simple who don't have a real argument. Obama will be our next President.

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

texburgh (Anonymous) says:"What's all the stink? Obama's comments are correct."You asked the question and then answered it. This is an election season, the time that truth and correctness are supposed to take a backseat to glittering hyperbole, meaningless cliches, and other forms of BS.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"they think they know better than the poor dumb schlubs o'bama was talking about."He never called them dumb schlubs. Those are your words. But clearly charlatans like Karl Rove distracted many people with non-issues-- and the immigration issue is mostly a non-issue, especially when you consider that many more times as many jobs have been shipped overseas than have been taken by immigrants here. There are lots of other non-issues (gay marriage, etc.) that various demagogues would rather focus on than the real bread-and-butter issues that actually affect people's lives.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"I think most liberals look down their nose at the wage earner."And Republicans just lie to them, and then screw them any and every way possible.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Hmmm, that link marioni keeps posting actually leads to his own stinking pit of a 'forum'.I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.Will cool start plugging that one?Stay turned.BTW,stillhavingawonderfulinternetlife.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

And Marion continues the name-calling. It is clear you have nothing of substance to add. But the fact that you keep calling a self-made and intelligent man "prince," but ignore the fact that the current president is actually the son of a former president is too funny. And you accuse me of spin. What a hypocrit. Of course, all of this is just a temporary distraction until the real event. When the election comes, people will know that Senator McCain supports the policies of George W. Bush. Senator Obama does not. The outcome will be a landslide for Obama because America is tired of Bush's and the Republicans' failed economic policies and are tired of the war in Iraq that should never have been started. Obama will be the next President of the United States of America. Get used to it.

yourworstnightmare 6 years, 8 months ago

This is the best that critics of Obama can muster?Lame. Non-issue. Next.

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says: "The simple fact is that your hero George W. Bush gave massive tax cuts to the wealthiest of the wealthy during a time of war (!) and an out of control deficit that has doubled during his eight years in office."The "simple" fact (that our apparently less-than-simple beatrice seems to forget) is that the "wealthiest of the wealthy," those top 1%-ers, comprises people making a little more than $350,000. Wow, what a bunch of Bill Gates's that bunch includes. And another "simple" fact that beatrice (in her absolute lack of class envy) forgets is that those people were getting flat out robbed before the tax cuts she speaks of, cuts which mean they're now each only paying their own share of taxes and that of 39 other people, while being the ones who least avail themselves of the spending programs those taxes pay for."You support both the war and the tax cuts, which means you must also be in favor of the doubling of the deficit."Only in your twisted little delusion, bea. Maybe you missed the part where I said "Maybe the other 99% should pay their fair share instead of b*tching we're not robbing the rich enough." I'm sure that didn't register between your ears as it disagrees with your idealogy. By all means, bea, let's cut the deficit ... let's add to the tax burden of the 95% of the taxpayers who pay the same share of taxes as those top 1%-ers, particularly the 30% who pay absolutely nothing (well, who actually have a negative tax rate, because they get more back in refundable credits than the amount of taxes levied). Let's cut the deficit by doubling your taxes, and your mother and father's. Those "wealthiest of the wealthy" could do without a little of the "favoritism" you would like to keep lavishing on them.

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says: "The outcome will be a landslide for Obama because America is tired of Bush's and the Republicans' failed economic policies and are tired of the war in Iraq that should never have been started."Bet if we look back, beatirce was making the exact same prediction about Kerry. Probably Gore, too."Obama will be the next President of the United States of America. Get used to it."You too can make a killing financially! The investment opportunity of the century!Invest now in Kleenex! The Dems are going to be going through them by the ton after November!

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Fascinatingwhatwhoiscalltellone,justfascinating.

Ceee 6 years, 8 months ago

The 109 million dollar woman and the man married to a 109+ dollar woman are adopting Rove's philosophy by attacking the strength of their opponent. Obama lived the American dream. He knew first hand what it is to have your family struggle. He also explained the GOP playbook of creating wedge issues to people who get distracted by them and don't always vote their own best interests. Perhaps he did not communicate the idea as gracefully as he usually does, but his points were valid. Many people are bitter and disillusioned. PS I think Hillary shows she is getting desparate by her twisting of Obama's statements.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

bearded, you are clearly confused. Let me help you out. It is simply Obama, without an apostrophy after the "O". I know your favorite mouthpiece for false information on FoxNews is Bill O'Reilly, who does use the apostrophy, so I can see how you might be confused. (I'll admit, however, I was surprised when I found it wasn't pronounced "Oh, really?") Just wanted to be of service so next year you won't come across as a complete fool when you make comments about President Obama. finding-uranass: Why would Senator Obama choose to head the NAACP, or the Black Panthers (especially since the Panthers haven't been around since the 1970s)? He is already a United States Senator, and will be the next President of the United States.Oh, wait. I get it. The NAACP and Black Panthers are the only organizations you could think of in which the leaders have been Black. Oh. Very clever. Gosh, you are like Sarah Silverman with your clever wit. I'm surprised she hasn't contacted you asking for help righting material. So clever. pisa, if you don't believe me about the tax situation, then how about Warren Buffet, the third richest person in the world: "Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent."http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.htmlSomehow, I suspect Buffet knows just a bit more than you on the subject. He isn't just a wanna-be rich guy. He is one. The only part you got right is that everyone needs to pay their share, including the rich. Knowing how much you folks are going to nash your teeth and soil yourselves when Obama is sworn in as President of the United States just makes me so happy. And Dems will need tissue to wipe up their tears of joy for having come through the tunnel of darkness in which we find ourselves today.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's see what flaming torches hit the windmill in Denver. It could be totally smurfy.

jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

Awwwww, man!! Marion's gone back to linking to his own website to congratulate himself on his cleverness!

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says: "Somehow, I suspect Buffet knows just a bit more than you on the subject. He isn't just a wanna-be rich guy. He is one. The only part you got right is that everyone needs to pay their share, including the rich."Wow, bea, you really are as ignorant as you appear to be. I suppose you think ol' Warren does his own taxes. Besides the fact that you're talking about a guy with a gazillion bucks that spends more every year than you will see in your lifetime on accountants who find every tax dodge, your 'fact' about Mr. Buffet is ... let's see ... is there a word for even less than meaningless? Especially as Mr. Buffet's politically motivated load of cr*p has been debunked repeatedly as being somewhat misleading and one-sided. Something that Mr. Buffet neglects to mention is that if he hadn't given away all his money, the fed would have taken more than half of it when he died. How much of your estate will be stolen from your children, bea? Not to mention that about the only way to significantly reduce the taxes owed on line 44 (by about half in his case) is through credits, generally those for other taxes paid and investment credits. And you just might want to consider that Mr. Buffet is a 31% owner of a corporation that paid huge amounts of taxes, too.Not that I expect you to open your closed little mind and educate yourself, but you might want to start here:http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=5746&type=0If you're not happy there, with the Congressional Budget Office, you can find similar information poking around the IRS website. I'm fairly certain that the CBO and the IRS know just a little more about who's paying what share of the taxes collected than ol' Warren does. Oh, and by the way, bea, as a former IRS tax examiner, I can assure you that I know a heck of a lot more about the issue than you do.But, for the sake of argument, let's take a look at Mr. Buffet, the guy who isn't paying his "fair share." If what he said was true (and please note that his 'evidence' of his claim was a memo, not his actual tax return), he paid about $8,000,000 in taxes. Or the amount equal to approximately 1,000 average taxpayers.Think he used food stamps?How about Section 8 housing?Think his kids needed federally subsidized student loans?Do you think ol' Warren drives a car so large he puts more wear and tear on the federal highways than the 1,000 other people it took to pay an equal amount in taxes?Ya' think maybe he votes more than once, or there's an extra Senator or Representative allocated to Nebraska to give him a larger say in how his money is spent?Oh, there is one more thing to consider, bea (and I have no doubt you'll ignore it):Since the year 2000, the share of income tax paid to the federal government by the top 1% and top 5% of taxpayers has increased, not gone down. Funny how, with your lack of class envy, you think the rich should be paying more to be "fair."

EXks 6 years, 8 months ago

Keep gasping for air Queen Hillary, keep gasping for air.....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

Wow, if only oil could flow as abundantly as vitriol! Look the candidates over, decide who comes closest to your values and vote for them. Its as easy as that. We always gets the government we deserve. Scary, huh?Lookingforwardtohavinga wonderfulinternetlifeagaininthenearfuture.Ceallach :)

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

The most fun thing about getting marion's goat is the retrun ratio.A single sentence that hits the right nerve unleashes a torrent of carpola.Back to the topic, maybe Hillary has promised Obama a cushy job as Deputy White House Counsel if he manages to put his foot far enough into his mouth to let her take the nomination.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Toslightlyalteraquotation,"nohonestmanneedsmorethan10mailingaddresses."

acg 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama, you're right. We are bitter. We're bitter because you lying, skeezy politicians have completely cluster f*cked this entire nation. You're not better, either, than the rest of them. You speak of change, it's all tired rhetoric to me. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but every time I give a politician the benefit of the doubt, they screw us over just a little bit more. There's a lot of talk about how you're different, how you've not been corrupted by the washington "machine" and that may be true. But if you win, it won't be long. They'll get to you, they always do.

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

acg;I'm not going to try to guess what the "acg" stands for, but I'm putting my money on the "c" being for "cynic." :)(Not that I think you're wrong, by the way.)

acg 6 years, 8 months ago

c is the initial for my middle name, so you're way off. And I'm not a cynic. I'm a realist.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 8 months ago

Although the article says that Senator Obama made these remarks "privately," that's an understatement. No media representatives of any kind were understood to be present. He said exactly what he believes, not intended for publication - and, to boot, made the remarks in San Francisco speaking privately to an ultra-liberal cabal - which, given the condescendingly elitist nature of his remarks, isn't exactly playing well in Pennsylvania and, of course, together with Governor Rendell's scathing comments about this over the weekend, is already being archived by Republican media operatives for use in the fall - if necessary.

erod0723 6 years, 8 months ago

Marion, If I didn't knew you were a blatant racist, I would be almost surprised that you don't want Obama to win the presidency. That aside, I'm also a bit surprised you want McCain to win the election.. I guess mental instability, like misery, loves company....

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

acg (Anonymous) says: "c is the initial for my middle name, so you're way off. And I'm not a cynic. I'm a realist."As I said, I wasn't disagreeing - the two things are not mutually exclusive, you know.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Tom, you should be aware that Senator Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden really are not the same person, although their names do share several of the same letters. I know this must be difficult for you to understand.To help clarify it for you, Barack Obama is the friendly man who will be the next President of the United States. Osama bin Laden is the very bad man who is a terrorist. Obama will replace Bush as President. This will happen in no small part because Bush pushed our country into an unnecessary war with Iraq while failing to capture Osama bin Laden, the bad man who attacked us. We will have President Obama because of Bush's failure to hunt down Osama. Say, that has a fun, Dr. Seuss rhythm to it. Instead, Bush focused on a guy named Hussein, which is Obama's middle name too! Do you know what a coincidence is? But with such similar letters and names I can see why you little ones and our sitting President might be confused. Funny, isn't it. Now, go brush your teeth, because I think it is probably getting pretty close to your bedtime. I hope I didn't give you nightmares about Osama still being out there and about Bush still being President. But don't worry. Bush will soon be gone and our nation will go back to being run by the good guys who want to focus on hunting down the real bad guys. The nightmare will soon be over for us all. If your a good little boy, maybe mommy will read "My Pet Goat" for you tonight before she tucks you in. Nighty night now, little Tom.

EXks 6 years, 8 months ago

U.S. taxpayers footing Iraqi war bill to the tune of $100,000 PER minute!Bitter?

Rationalanimal 6 years, 8 months ago

The Prince got the bitterness part right, but the bitter party wrong. The true bitter party in America is faction of black and liberal voters inspired by the hate diatribe of Reverend--GD America--Wright and Al--the sky is falling in--Gore. The rest of us just want to go to work and keep what our sweat provides; the rest of us want the government to stay the heck out of lives. We would rather not be taxed to death for breathing--coming soon since breathing creates a carbon emission--than to have "free" mandatory at the threat of felony prosecution, mediocre, and scarce medical care; the rest of us would rather drive down the road without literally being nickled and dimed for the privilege of driving on a barely improved cow path paved over with 1/10" of asphalt; the rest of us would rather have $1.00 per gallon gas than $4.00 per gallon of gas and milk as a result of idiotic energy policies caused by people like the Prince who have never held a real job outside of elitist circles and will never see these pristine ice enshrouded sanctuaries at the top and bottom of the world; the rest of us would rather just live instead of politicians like the Prince who stick their nose in the lives of average Americans at the macro level as a result of an irrepresible urge to control people at every turn and then tell us they need even more control of our lives, i.e. mandating what type of lightbulds we buy, how much tiolet paper we use, is the solution to the very problems they have created through rampant idiotic and insane policies that are proven failures for the last century. No almighty Prince, average Americans are not bitter. We are just wearied by the overwillingness of politicians like yourself to insert yourself into our lives where we would rather live our lives free of governmental, socialist paternalism that seeks to tax, govern, regulate, mandate and otherwise control every aspect of our lives. The reason why mainstream Americans get riled up about abortion, immigration, religion and guns is not because we are bitter, it is because such traditional values are the fabric of American culture that elitists in circles in which the Prince run have never and will never understand simply because such people have never gotten dirt under their fingernails doing real work. People like the Prince sit on the golden thrones of academia in Cambridge, Massachusetts and Washington D.C. while the rest of us average Americans make America happen. We don't need government to solve our problems as the Prince suggests, government is the problem.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Who ever "they" are, don't vote for "them" for President. Did Obama say those things? No? Okay then, problem solved. It is still safe to vote for Obama, if you are old enough to vote that is. Now, go to bed -- being attacked by the bed monster doesn't hurt as much if you are asleep.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

Who's the Prince, RA? Let me guess, the current occupant of the White House, whose daddy was president, and who never accomplished anything in hid life but was handed everything to him on a silver platter. The one who pretends to be just common folk. Is that the Prince, RA?

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

Who is the Prince? Wouldn't that be the guy in office now, the one who's father was the previous President? When leadership goes from father to son, even though the son is far from deserving of a leadership role, that is what we identify as a "prince." Hope that doesn't make you even more bitter or irrational.

Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

I have not had time to read other comments, sorry if I repeat:Yes, I am bitter about government; I am bitter that I have to pay taxes and get no services; I am bitter that, regardless of how many letters and emails I send to my congresswoman about cutting spending and not supporting bailouts of banks and greedy and/or stupid mortgage holders, that my requests are not heeded; I am bitter because my local government does not fulfill the basic needs to maintain sewers, streets, police and fire protection, but has room in the budget to fund golf courses, recreation classes and an absurdly ineffiecient public transportation system; I am bitter because the school district issued bonds for a specific purpose, to renovate schools, did a crappy job doing it, yet still had over $2 MIL left over, then decided to spend the surplus on athletic field improvements, and then turned around and asked for a tax increase for a measly $640,000 or so that they "hoped" would go to teacher salaries; I am bitter because every time I read the paper, I learn that the government wants more from me, while it gives me less and less.I am bitter because government administrators are among the highest paid individuals in Kansas, and that "service" in state and federal government is a sure-fire ticket to wealth and power, that our senators and congressmen and congresswomen work less than a part time job for more than full time pay while receiving benefits paid by taxpayers that are immensely more generous than most of us taxpayers could ever hope to earn for our more than full time jobs.I am bitter because presidential candidates actually think we are dumb enough to believe them when they say they will "change" things while they are accepting contributions and making promises to the same corporations they tell us we should hate.Am I bitter? Yes! Is government the answer, as His Honor Obama and her Highness Hillary imply? NO! Government is, has been, and always will be, the problem, the source of my bitterness.The best thing the government can do for me is to get out of my way and leave me alone. Just take care of the streets, the sewers, the police, fire protection, open space for parks, and the military. Provide a basic eduction to our children. We don't need .gov to provide mental health counseling, scientific research, hospitals, health care, degrees in movie production and underwater basket weaving, and we do not need .gov to sponsor athletic teams.Yes, I live in a small town, and, yes, I am bitter, and, yes, it is because government has failed me, not because it has not done enough, but because it takes on more than it should, more than it can handle, and because it forces me to pay for its follies while rewarding the idiots in charge with the lifestyles of kings.

pisafromthewest 6 years, 8 months ago

Well, on the brighter side, at least beatrice gave up on exhibiting how little she understands about our tax structure. Not that it will stop her from whining about how "unfair" it all is.

World_Vision 6 years, 8 months ago

My goodness! Don't we all sound so very very bitter?

Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

Raw emotion, as opposed to stark intellect, will be the deciding factor if, and when, Obama is elected president.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

snap writesstillhavingawonderfulun-outedinternetlife.BTW, isn't it time you got a new catch-phrase? You're wearing the ape bit pretty thin.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

snap writes:I'mjustabittertypicalWhiteperson.

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