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Poll: Some younger U.S. Muslims support suicide bombings

May 23, 2007

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— One in four younger U.S. Muslims said in a poll that suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida.

The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of the country's Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends comfortably into society. Its largely mainstream members express nearly as much happiness with their lives and communities as the general public does, show a broad willingness to adopt American customs, and have income and education levels similar to others in the U.S.

Even so, the survey revealed noteworthy pockets of discontent.

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.

That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.

"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.

He said most supporters of the attacks likely assumed the context was a fight against occupation - a term Muslims often use to describe the conflict with Israel.

U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are susceptible to these ideas."

Federal officials have warned the U.S. must guard against homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit bombings of 2005.

Even so, U.S. Muslims are far less accepting of suicide attacks than Muslims in many other nations. In Pew surveys last year, support in some Muslim countries exceeded 50 percent, while it was considered justifiable by about one in four Muslims in Britain and Spain, and one in three in France.

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam.

Comments

Nick Yoho 7 years, 11 months ago

The christians have their own frickin army!And our tax dollars pay for it.Don't any of you remember what king george said? something about being "crusaders" That was until PC wordsmith thought he should stop using that word.(because it was the truth)!onward xtian soldiers... The air force is a damn xtian cult!

Compy 7 years, 11 months ago

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them,"

25% though????????

Methinks we are in for it

Confrontation 7 years, 11 months ago

posessionannex: Thank you for pointing out some obvious problems with this survey. Why ask only Muslim youth? You've seen those psycho Christians who go away to Bush-worshipping church camps. This survey was done in order to encourage more fear of Muslims and make Christianity seem more legitimate than Islam (ha!).

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see a poll of xtians about whether or not they support harrassment, intimidation, and violence against abortion providers. Maybe one has been conducted.

This is what religion drives one to. When faith and belief trump all else, violence and conflict are the results.

Luckily in America, we have secular institutions to buffer against religious conflict and violence (for now, at least).

Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 7 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see a poll of xtians about whether or not they support harrassment, intimidation, and violence against abortion providers. Maybe one has been conducted.

The ratio of Muslim suicide bombings to abortion clinic bombings is probably about 1,000:1. Both acts are unjustified, but I think we get an idea of which group is more prone to violence.

temperance 7 years, 11 months ago

passionannex: Yes, it is "unspeakably racist to suggest that insanity is infinitely more prevalent in their community." But you knew that. That's why it was fun for you to type it. Racist.

yourworstnightmare: here are some intriguing poll figures to consider in this context (i.e. the context of rightwingers offering predictably ignorant interpretations of the Pew study): The University of Maryland's Program on International Public Attitudes, in December 2006, conducted a poll of the United States and Iran (full findings here: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/jan07/Iran_Jan07_rpt.pdf). Summary here: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/307.php?nid=&id=&pnt=307&lb=hmpg1 Among the findings: Larger majorities of Iranians than Americans reject terrorist attacks against civilians. Asked whether "bombing and other types of attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" can be justified often, sometimes, rarely or never, 80 percent of Iranians select never. Only 11% of Iranians think such attacks are justified "often" or "sometimes," with a mere further 5% agreeing they can be justified in rare cases. By contrast, 24% of Americans thought that such attacks are justified "often" or "sometimes," 46% percent of Americans say such attacks can never be justified and 27 percent say they "rarely" can.

Again, the question was ". . . bombings and other types of attacks intentionally aimed at civilians are sometimes justified?" Americans approved of such attacks by a much larger margin than Iranians and a much, much larger margin than American Muslims.

According to an article earlier this year in the Christian Science Monitor, Americans express greater support for "attacks against civilians than any major Muslim country except for Nigeria." http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

I see PA is busy telling everybody what my (and others') opinions are, while managing to have no real discernible opinions of its own.

Navin_R_Johnson 7 years, 11 months ago

yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says:

"I would like to see a poll of xtians about whether or not they support harrassment, intimidation, and violence against abortion providers. Maybe one has been conducted. This is what religion drives one to. When faith and belief trump all else, violence and conflict are the results."

is that so, wingnut? and when faith and belief in secularism trumps all else, it "drives" one to the foolishness to support the violence done to the victims of abortionists. your ilk's killed more since 73' than all republicans, crusaders, european colonialists and sons of Mohammed combined! course those you support violence against can't fight back (embryonic humans and the infirm); perfect victims for the cowardly ideologue.

you are one fundamentalist-like and delusional moonbat to think yourself any different.

Navin_R_Johnson 7 years, 11 months ago

posessionannex (Anonymous) says:

"First trimester abortions don't kill people, they kill fetuses. Equating abortion with terrorism is insulting to the victims of terrorism (who have names and families who survive them) and irrational."

see what i mean?

you have been assimilated! congrats.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 11 months ago

I can't say that I'm always on top of what's going on out on the internet, but I do not recall any Methodists posting video of themselves sawing people's heads off.

gogoplata 7 years, 11 months ago

Its called blowback. Check out what Ron Paul is saying at ronpaul2008.com

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 11 months ago

Many of you unsurprisingly missed my point.

No, we don't see videos of methodists sawing heads off.

My point is that this is because of our buffering secular institutions in this country.

Religion, mohammedan or xtian, if left to it's own devices, will ultimately result in extremism, violence and conflict. Religion needs to be kept in check, or we risk becoming as bad as islamic states or Europe's own dark ages, when religion was ascendent.

When faith and belief become the basis for decision-making in a society, division, conflict , and violence will result.

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 11 months ago

You know, Jerk (Navin_R_Johnson), I usually don't comment on the grammar, spelling, and syntax of posts on this site. But man, yours sucks. Learn to write as well as you insult, and maybe you could be effective.

You really are "The Jerk".

MyName 7 years, 11 months ago

Marion:

BTW, most suicide bombers ARE young Muslims, including children who have been promised all sorts of things to do the job.

Actually, though this number may have changed recently, the majority of suicide bombers have been done by the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka, a military group devoted to succession of Sri Lanka and without much, if any, religious agenda, certainly not a muslim agenda. They've commited between 76 and 168 such bombings since 1987 and were responsible for more than half of the world's suicide bombings between 1980 and 2000. Of course, they're in a cease-fire right now, so maybe the people in Iraq will catch up now that we've brought some many of our troops over there.

Also, suicide bombers are overwhelmingly male. They are often from middle-class backgrounds in countries with little political freedom. They are usually well-educated and hold strong political or religious beliefs; they are generally not poverty-stricken or mentally ill, though some may have had difficult childhoods.

But hey, you've never let facts stop you before Marion.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 11 months ago

Mrs. Paul needs to get Ron back on the boat so he can catch more fish.

drewdun 7 years, 11 months ago

"Dambudzo (Anonymous) says:

I like the part where most muslims vote democrat."

You're beyond the pale. I bet you didn't see the part where it said:

"though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida.

The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of the country's Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends comfortably into society. Its largely mainstream members express nearly as much happiness with their lives and communities as the general public does, show a broad willingness to adopt American customs, and have income and education levels similar to others in the U.S."

In other words, you're an idiot.

I also like this part:

""We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam."

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them"

Mr. Alawan must lurk on the LJW.

TheHeartlessBureaucrat 7 years, 11 months ago

I want to admit that I have nothing relevant to say. However, thanks to all of you for inspiring me to look up the word Moonbat.

I like that word.

THB

Navin_R_Johnson 7 years, 11 months ago

nightmare says:

"Religion, mohammedan or xtian, if left to it's own devices, will ultimately result in extremism, violence and conflict. Religion needs to be kept in check... "

insert "government" for "religion" and you have a pretty good idea of what the Founders of this nation thought and drafted a constitution to prevent. as it is, you are seeking a godless salvation from the State and that is historically a more murderous idea than any religion.

nightmare: "You know, Jerk (Navin_R_Johnson), I usually don't comment on the grammar, spelling, and syntax of posts on this site. But man, yours sucks. Learn to write as well as you insult, and maybe you could be effective. You really are "The Jerk"."

thanks, no gettin' anything by you i see.

Navin_R_Johnson 7 years, 11 months ago

posessionannex (Anonymous) says:

">>you have been assimilated! congrats.

Oh, yeah, everyone thinks like PA."

no, no PA, you're starting to think like everyone else.

and why not read my posts, just cause i'm a dim bulb with a GED, don't mean i cant express a coheren thought on a rare occassion. hell, i read yours no matter how far back my eyes roll or the damage done to my cerebral cortex!

ok, I admit it, my grammar IS pooh! its the thought that counts! :)

peace,

Navin

gogoplata 7 years, 11 months ago

Ron Paul is a complete dolt on a couple issues.

1 He believes that public lands, including Yellowstone and Yosemite, should be sold to private investors. "there's nothing in the constitution about National Parks!"

2 Everything he argues about the war on terror could have been argued about the Declaration of War on the Empire of Japan in WWII. It was protectionism, it was about asserting our control in the Pacific, It was about Imperialists helping imperialists in Vietnam, The East Indies, and Singapore, and our navy in the Pacific inspired "Japanese Blowback."

I'm the only one on here talking about Ron Paul. That amazes me. This guy is so refeshing when compared to the rest of the Democrat and Republican lineup. I doubt you'd ever find a candidate you agree with 100% unless its your name up there. I'll gladly take a chance with the national parks for the kind of security that a foreign policy of non intervention, secure borders, and balanced budgets would provide. Honestly, how can you not like this guy.

Danielle Brunin 7 years, 11 months ago

Dambudzo,

It's funny that you mention Muslims voting Democrat because this is a very recent political realignment. Before 9/11, many American Muslims overwhelming voted for Republican candidates because of issues such as abortion, homosexuality, and Israel. As a matter of fact, there was a very large coalition of Muslims who backed Bush. Then, of course, 9/11 happened and everything changed. The Bush administration has managed to alienate a great many moderate Muslims by grouping them with extremists. These moderates don't support terrorism in any shape or form, but they sure as hell don't support Bush.

Centrist 7 years, 11 months ago

Pure and simple. ANYONE who advocates taking an innocent life is a terrorist, by definition and logic. That includes Christians, Jews, Muslims, that nutjob in Virginia, Timothy McVeigh, the guy at the Target store earlier this month. Whomever makes that decision.

Bam! Common sense at last ..

thusspokezarathustra 7 years, 11 months ago

As long as young muslim males are blowing themselves up & not trying to marry one another, then this country would really be in trouble.

Nick Yoho 7 years, 11 months ago

change of title.

Ag that would be easy to fact check. AP is all over the net...

I agree the title being change says a lot.It says LJW is into fear mongering,because they know it sells to you fools. while ap might actually try to sooth some fear(not likely).

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 11 months ago

The jerk said: "thanks, no gettin' anything by you i see." -It is only one of my all-time favorite movies. I must admit I am troubled that a ditto-head like you is using the name, but I do like calling you the jerk. It fits.

"as it is, you are seeking a godless salvation from the State and that is historically a more murderous idea than any religion." -I seek no salvation, only protection from the religiously insane. Hey dipstick, until 200 years ago, most governments were religion. America was one of the first to put aside religion in government and create secular institutions to buffer religious ideology. They knew how dangerous mixing government and religion is. Get your facts straight, jerk.

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