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Bush vetoes measure setting troop withdrawals

May 2, 2007

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President Bush makes a national statement in the Cross Hall of the White House after vetoing legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq. Bush and congressional leaders will meet today to discuss how to proceed in funding the war.

President Bush makes a national statement in the Cross Hall of the White House after vetoing legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq. Bush and congressional leaders will meet today to discuss how to proceed in funding the war.

— President Bush vetoed legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq Tuesday night in a historic showdown with Congress over whether the unpopular and costly war should end or escalate.

It was a day of high political drama, falling on the fourth anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech declaring that major combat operations had ended in Iraq.

In only the second veto of his presidency, Bush rejected legislation pushed by Democratic leaders that would require the first U.S. combat troops to be withdrawn by Oct. 1 with a goal of a complete pullout six months later.

"This is a prescription for chaos and confusion, and we must not impose it on our troops," Bush said in a nationally broadcast statement from the White House. He said the bill would "mandate a rigid and artificial deadline" for troop pullouts, and "it makes no sense to tell the enemy when you plan to start withdrawing."

Democrats accused Bush of ignoring Americans' desire to stop the war, which has claimed the lives of more than 3,350 members of the military.

"The president wants a blank check," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., moments after Bush's appearance. "The Congress is not going to give it to him." She said lawmakers would work with him to find common ground but added that there was "great distance" between them on Iraq.

Bush will meet with congressional leaders - Democrats and Republicans alike - today to discuss new legislation.

He said Democrats had made a political statement by passing anti-war legislation. "They've sent their message, and now it's time to put politics behind us and support our troops with the funds," the president said.

He said the need to act was urgent because without a war-funding bill, the armed forces will have to consider cutting back on buying or repairing equipment.

"Our troops and their families deserve better, and their elected leaders can do better," Bush said.

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

Right_thinker does not play well with democratic societies. Anyway, that's not my problem.

My source for the timeline, if anyone wanted to look into it further, is the TIME Almanac 2007.

This tryannical madman in the White House now is not technically nor constitutionally the legitimate president of the United States as far as I will ever be concerned. And, nope RT, I sure don't apologize for calling Bush what he is. You do have a choice, however. You can get over it.

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

"I got it:..try to make right_thinker we are as ludicrous as we see him::"


Is that really necessary, though? I mean, does anybody need to physically pick up Michael Johnson and carry him to the Finish Line?

No real need assisting you in doing something you already do well enough on your own, is there?

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Mkh 6 years, 11 months ago

Did this veto honestly surprise anyone? We are not leaving Iraq people! I don't care how many resolutions the Dems pass or even if the Dems win the White House in '08, does not matter one bit. The US Military will be in Iraq most likely for decades to come. This war will not end in our lifetimes, remember who said that? It was not a joke.

This war was the second engagement in the growing conflict for the remaining energy resources on the planet. Oil is in depletion and most of the remaining deposits are in the Middle East. Iraq is essential to the US dominating the remaining resources and to sustain our fragile economy. We are constructing permanent military bases in Iraq and will not be leaving (until the Oil is gone). Sorry if you don't like the idea of endless war...guess you should have listened earlier, huh?

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

I got it.....try to make right_thinker we are as ludicrous as we see him......the Stalin quote I really got a kick out of VOR---that is a classic. Thanks for the chuckle.

There is not a bit of doubt in my mind that GWB is viewed as being lower than whale sh!t---no arguments here. Also, no arguments about the war is a nightmare. I will argue some reasons why but that doesn't matter to you guys.

I will accede that the Dems get their way, the American public can make up their own minds about the aftermath. Humans tend to forget fairly quickly. Our enemies know we have a very short attention span. You can 'cipher that however you wish.

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Kathy Getto 6 years, 11 months ago

scenebooster (Anonymous) says:

"Umm, Windlass, in 2004 GWB was re-elected because the Democrats put up an empty wind bag of a candidate."

Yeah, and Bush's campaign of fear, and the Rovian Swift-boating business had nothing to do with it, right?


Not to mention the mother of all vote frauds.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin

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b_asinbeer 6 years, 11 months ago

"The looney-left Bush-hater sometimes just hands it to you on a silver platter lined with the most exotic fruits, nuts and cheese."

Again with the same comment? That's at least twice this week with the same cheesy comment that I've seen. Shows how original republicans are (sarcasm)....Reminds me of someone: "Stay the course." "We will not withdraw (until Cheney Daddy says it's ok)." Like a broken record...

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drewdun 6 years, 11 months ago

"And there we are again, for the first time, the Constitution somehow failed us and thru a democratic election process we failed miserably and elected a 'tryannical madman'." - rt

Who was making that argument? Windlass was merely stating that the Constitution is to be praised for its qualities, including the possibility of self-correction when "we failed miserably" and elected a madman. You replied in your typical manner:

"The looney-left Bush-hater sometimes just hands it to you on a silver platter lined with the most exotic fruits, nuts and cheese.

This one (Windlass first post) gets my nomination for most unhinged ranting of a hysterical far-left Bush-hater.

Anyone got an explanation for how stupid that post is yet? Left or right or in between can answer."

You're running on fumes, pal.

"There will be a time notable lapse before we know how much we will need to hold some Defeat-O-Crats responsible for the impending disaster we are going to see. That's when you will see some heads roll."

Thanks. You really do a service for those who visit this site - illustrating the alternate reality that the Bush base lives in. "need to hold some Defeat-O-Crats responsible for the impending disaster we are going to see" - where does one even begin?

*YOUR TEAM had control of the war from the very beginning and now completely owns the negative consequences associated with it. Do you really think that people are going to blame the Democrats for what has happened/will happen in Iraq?

"impending disaster" - Question: what the *** would you call what's happening in Iraq right now? Where does 'impending' come from?

"You can bank on on it:..2012-2015-2020 will be here before we know it. This is the problem with the far-left Bush-haters, they want immediate gratification and it is a hatred for Bush on what they think is a personal level and is pathological"

First off, 2008 will be here before any of that. With control of both houses of Congress and the White House, we'll see what the Democrats accomplish - could be a lot, could be a little. However, they will be judged by what they do, not by the royal ****-up of the previous administration. So by 2012-2015-2020, if the Democrats have extricated our troops from Iraq, covered the uninsured, and moved us towards energy independence, I'd say the 'immediate gratification' of opposing Bush and his disastrous policies will have payed off, both for the Democrats electoral prospects and the nation.

"I will not forgetwill you?"

No one will forget that people like you supported this clown, in the face of overwhelming evidence that he was doing great harm to our nation. The question is, when Bush's name is as toxic as Richard Nixon's twenty years from now, will you still continue with the blind, fanatical support, or finally acknowledge reality ie that you were very wrong?

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

Report: Extremists Value Web As Tool May 02, 2007 4:55 PM EDT WASHINGTON - Extremist Islamic groups have come to value the Internet so much for its ability to spread their message that some have said the keyboard is as important as a Kalashnikov rifle, a report for Congress says.

The report, to be presented to the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Thursday, says terrorists have increased their use of the Internet to make their activities faster, cheaper and more secure.


Wonder where they got this idea?

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

".....pin the blame for the disaster in Iraq on the Democrats...."

There will be a time notable lapse before we know how much we will need to hold some Defeat-O-Crats responsible for the impending disaster we are going to see. That's when you will see some heads roll.

You can bank on on it.....2012-2015-2020 will be here before we know it. This is the problem with the far-left Bush-haters, they want immediate gratification and it is a hatred for Bush on what they think is a personal level and is pathological. I will not forget---will you?

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temperance 6 years, 11 months ago

Drewdun is right in that "everyone should be prepared for the right-wing nuts to try to pin the blame for the disaster in Iraq on the Democrats . . . the only blame here, according to them, belongs to those who tried to change course in the hellhole." This is exactly why they're trying to run out the clock until '08. So far, it's working.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

"....Constitution of the United States...." -drewdun

And there we are again, for the first time, the Constitution somehow failed us and thru a democratic election process we failed miserably and elected a 'tryannical madman'.

You guys---you got me in stitches tonight.

You're a fun bunch....keep it coming!

And thank you for reading and giving serious consideration to my comments.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

Well, let's see:

A. The system of checks and balances got broken since Willy in 1998-2000 B. The system of checks and balances for the first time in 230 years elected a 'tyrannical madman' C. Nations with a valid and functioning system of checks and balances are potentially capable of electing (twice) a 'tyrannical madman' D. Saddam, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Ho Chi-Minh, Mussolini operated with checks and balances.

Your butter has slid off your noodles, Windlass.

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drewdun 6 years, 11 months ago

"This one (Windlass first post) gets my nomination for most unhinged ranting of a hysterical far-left Bush-hater"

Yeah, we all know that right-wing extremists such as yourself find the Constitution of the United States distasteful. Stating such a warped opinion on a public forum such as this is not wise (other, less extreme right-wingers might not want to be identified with such overt hostility to the founding document of our nation), and personally takes you down to negative credibility, rt.

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drewdun 6 years, 11 months ago

"It was just in 2006 that the Dems gained the majority, and they have done nothing but to completely ruin the chances of there being any positive result in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or, frankly anywhere in the world that the US has an interest." - Godot

Yeah, because things were going just swimmingly in those places before the Dems took over.

In all seriousness, everyone should be prepared for the right-wing nuts to try to pin the blame for the disaster in Iraq on the Democrats, even though their team controlled all branches of the government and the entire Iraq operation for the first three + years of the war (with obviously disastrous results). We've already seen the right's revisionist (read: batsh crazy) version of the end of Vietnam - be ready for more insanity re Iraq. In their alternate (read: hyper-partisan) reality, no blame can be laid at the feet of the people in charge of the fiasco - no, the only blame here, according to them, belongs to those who tried to change course in the hellhole. Example 72,367 of why right-wingers have zero credibility left.

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

eh, right_thinker

Truth only disturbs those who have much to hide, so what part of the truth is giving you so much distress? Not that I have time to respond to your single-digit IQ. I don't, but maybe someone else can help you out.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

The looney-left Bush-hater sometimes just hands it to you on a silver platter lined with the most exotic fruits, nuts and cheese.

This one (Windlass first post) gets my nomination for most unhinged ranting of a hysterical far-left Bush-hater.

Anyone got an explanation for how stupid that post is yet? Left or right or in between can answer.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 11 months ago

".....tyrannical madman...."

"..... tyrannical dictators....."

".....system of checks and balances is being restored...."

"......let the checks and balances begin......"

Anyone want to analyze this (these extractions from Mindlass?)

Just for fun?

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

2005:

January 20 - Iraqi elections to select a 275-seat National Assembly take place despite threats of violence July 4 - London hit by Islamic terrorist bombings, killing 52 and wounding about 700 October 10 - Millions of Iraqi voters ratify a new constitution October 15 - Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein goes on trial for the killing of 143 people in the town of Dujail, Iraq, in 1982 October 19 - Number of deaths of US soldiers in Iraq reaches 2,000 November 28 - The Sept. 11 Public Discourse Project reports that the country is "alarmingly vulnerable to terrorist strikes." December 5 - The New York Times reports that in 2002, Bush signed a presidential order to allow the National Security Agency to spy on Americans suspected of being connected to terrorist activity without warrants December 15 - About 11 million Iraqi's turn out to select their first permanent Parliament since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

So what then? I shouldn't continue the timeline?

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

2004:

January 14 - Iraq weapons investigator David Kay resigns, says there's no evidence of weapons of mass destruction March 2 - Spain is rocked by terrorist attacks, killing more than 200 March 11 - Spain's governing Popular Party loses election to opposition Socialists. Outcome seen as a reaction to terrorist attacks and Popular Party's support of the US-led war in Iraq March 29 - US troops launch offensive in Falluja in response to killing and mutilation on March 31 of four US civilian contractors April 24 - US media release graphic photos of American soldiers abusing and sexually humiliating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. Images spark outrage around the world. May 17 - US hands over power to Iraqi interim government: Iyad Allawi becomes prime minister June 30 - Senate Intelligence Committee reports that intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs was "overstated" and flawed July 5 - Sept. 11 Commission harshly criticizes government's handling of terrorist attacks August 16 - Pentagon-sponsored Schlesinger report rejects idea that Abu Ghraib prison abuse was work of a few aberrant soldiers, and asserts there were "fundamental failures throughout all levels of command." September 15 - US's final report on Iraq's weapons finds no WMDs September 26 - 380 tons of explosives reported missing in Iraq November 2 - US troops launch attack on Falluja, stronghold of the Iraqi insurgency November 11 - Red Cross alleges abuse at US-run Guantanamo prison

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

Aaawwwwww, sheesh, does anybody really give a flyin' rip if it was 2004 or 2006? Geez, we're gonna argue over THAT NOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Bottom line: Democrats may or may not speak for the majority of Americans--but it can't be denied that there were enough votes to put them in seats that were once occupied by Republicans. And the bungling and bumbling and blundering of what was once an honorable "War on Terror" is largely responsible for that.

It's very... "instructive"... that the president has thrown the doors wide open for negotiations on this. Very, very instructive.

While I agree that the Iraqis need a certain amount of assistance in setting up their new "democracy," we can't be there to hold their hands forever. At some point, we have to let 'em go and let the chips fall where they may. Sunni extremists are determined to kill the Shia, and Shiite extremists are determined to kill Sunnis. Nothing we do can change that in less than 20-30 years.

I don't think cutting off funding to the troops is the answer--but I do think it would be interesting to cut off all funding and support to the private contractors that are not directly supporting our troops... the ones that are there just raking it in hand-over-fist.

I know I would feel a lot better about things if I didn't feel like we had put all our eggs in the "Iraq" basket--that we had troops engaged elsewhere, especially hunting out Bin Laden, trying to make good on that "Dead or Alive" promise that was dished out in 2001.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Silence_Dogood 6 years, 11 months ago

Bush hates the troops. So do all the right-wing hijackers.

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

2003:

March 15 - The United States and Britain launch war against Iraq. March 19 - Baghdad falls to US troops April 30 - The United States declares official end to combat operations in Iraq May 1 - US diplomat Paul Bremer becomes civil administrator of occupied Iraq May 12 - Terrorists strike in Saudi Arabia, killing 34 at Western compound June 29 - Saddam Hussein's sons killed in firefight August 15 - Suicide bombing destroys UN Headquarters in Baghdad, killing 24 November 13 - The Bush admin reverses policy, agrees to transfer power to an interim Iraqi government sooner than originally planned December 12 - Saddam Hussein is captured by American troops

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scenebooster 6 years, 11 months ago

"Umm, Windlass, in 2004 GWB was re-elected because the Democrats put up an empty wind bag of a candidate."

Yeah, and Bush's campaign of fear, and the Rovian Swift-boating business had nothing to do with it, right?

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

Well, would you care to rummage through Bush's record since the war started? Beginning with his arrogant announcement that he is ready to attack Iraq even without a UN Mandate? And that a cauldron of chaos in Iraq is his doing, and simply no one else's? Because, like you say, the Democrats didn't arrive on the scene until late last year.

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Godot 6 years, 11 months ago

Umm, Windlass, in 2004 GWB was re-elected because the Democrats put up an empty wind bag of a candidate.

It was just in 2006 that the Dems gained the majority, and they have done nothing but to completely ruin the chances of there being any positive result in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or, frankly anywhere in the world that the US has an interest.

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OZ 6 years, 11 months ago

. . . The end of military blogs? "The U.S. Army has ordered soldiers to stop posting to blogs or sending PERSONAL e-mail messages, without first clearing the content with a superior officer, Wired News has learned. The directive, issued April 19, is the sharpest restriction on troops' online activities since the start of the Iraq war. And it could mean the end of military blogs, observers say." . . . The GOP "family values" supporting the tropps and the United States Constitution's FREEDOM OF SPEECH; pathetic! .

3,352 American Soldiers have DIED due to the LIES of the IDIOT DUBYA! . . Praise CHEESES and TAX ALL CULTS ! ! ! . . .

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Windlass 6 years, 11 months ago

In 2004 the American people, completely fed up with this tyrannical madman, sent a majority of Democrats to seats in Congress to do the work of the people. The Democrats are doing their job. We should thank God Almighty that our constitutional system of checks and balances is being restored. It speaks, yet once more, of the sheer and absolute beauty of our Constitution, that it is embedded with ways to self-correct government, and prevent tyrannical dictators from imposing their dangerous [arbitrary] powers and politics upon the freest nation this world has ever known.

Any time any president elects to operate his administration under a cloak of secrecy, let the checks and balances begin. Let's get full disclosure with respect to the crimes committed against the sovereign nation of Iraq as well as the sovereign nation of the United States of America.

That's our job, our right, our duty, and our responsibility.

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