To the editor:
I would be willing to bet the people who are advocating for the pesticide-free parks do not live next to one. If you want to see a prime example, come take a look at the north half of Ludlam Park (near Ninth Street and Schwarz Road). It is mostly weeds and bare ground. It is a really lovely sight in the spring when all the dandelions are in bloom, and then the seed blows all over the neighborhood.
There used to be a merry-go-round that our daughters and their friends played on but that was removed years ago. Supposedly it was unsafe. There is no playground equipment in the north end of the park to attract children and very little grass. If that is what people want, then I guess pesticide-free is the way to go. I think it would be best to take care of what we have.
Carl Guggisberg,
Lawrence
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karensisson (anonymous) says…
Maybe weeding is not enough. They should try environmentally friendly herbicides like corn gluten that work by preventing seeds from germinating. It's a byproduct of making corn syrup. Corn gluten works. I've used it on my yard.
Souki (anonymous) says…
So the lack of pesticides and herbicides is somehow connected to the removal of playground equipment?
just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) says…
This has to be one of the more inane letters printed here.
Oracle_of_Rhode (anonymous) says…
Rather have cancer than dandelions?
acg (anonymous) says…
Hahaa, RT, it just burns your a** that some people are different from you and happy with the way they are, doesn't it? I would laugh at how idiotic you were if I didn't find you to be so sad and pathetic.
Bubbles (anonymous) says…
Carl,
The park is representative of how this city is run. Half-assed.
altarego (anonymous) says…
"This has to be one of the more inane letters printed here."
I'm sure it seems so to you.
Carl Guggisberg is making the simple point that maintenance costs money. When people advocate for parks, they are advocating for park maintenance. If the city doesn't have the budget to pull weeds by hand, then pesticide free equates to maintenance free. Thats what the argument comes down to. I'm sure, though that if I wanted to meet you in person, I'll find you on the weed pulling brigade! See you there!
I seriously wish that people would let Parks and Rec do their job.
karensisson (anonymous) says…
right_thinker (Anonymous) says:
The SP's want the dandelions so they can sit in the park, make dandelion chains, smoke weed and kiss their domestic partner passionately without the fear of having an asthma attack from all the nasty pesticides that greedy capitalists have invented.
Idiotic post.
karensisson (anonymous) says…
Just really sick of all the people in these forums who think they are being hysterical or biting when they lob slurs at "hippies." It's getting old and boring, and makes them look silly. It is so 50 years ago. Not funny anymore.
acg (anonymous) says…
Of course we did OTTR. You're as big of a moron at RT is. Ya'll should get together and do whatever right wing whack jobs do when they get together. Burn books that express differing opinions? Rant about Mexican people ruining your way of life? Rub yourselves in front of a 8 x 10 glossy of Dubya? You know, whatever that makes weirdos like you all tick.
karensisson (anonymous) says…
altarego says:
I seriously wish that people would let Parks and Rec do their job.
Without public oversight? I don't think so. The city has refused to post what chemicals they use on parks despite repeated requests over the years. They have such a nice website; why hide this?
The last thing this town needs is to give any department a blank check to do anything they want without public oversight. This is despite the comment Mayor Hack was rumored to have made (and was overheard) at a party, i.e. that she wants to move city commission meetings to Tuesday afternoons so as not to be "overburdened with public comment." It's an outrage.
dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…
Actually I love dandelions, which is why we bought a house in an older neighborhood. They are tough and pretty. No matter what you do to get rid of them, they always come back. I like to think of myself as a dandelion. No matter what life throws at me, I just keep on going, of course, I'm not so pretty anymore.
karensisson (anonymous) says…
gl0ck0wnr (Anonymous) says:
Hippy.
Hardly. Shows how ignorant you all are, to make assumptions about people with opinions that differ from yours.
Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho (anonymous) says…
Hire homeless people to pull the weeds. It will provide them with a job and keep the parks weed-free at the same time.
Discuss.
kshiker (anonymous) says…
karensisson (Anonymous) says:
"Just really sick of all the people in these forums who think they are being hysterical or biting when they lob slurs at 'hippies.' It's getting old and boring, and makes them look silly. It is so 50 years ago. Not funny anymore."
Karensisson --
The term "hippie" truly is intended as an insult. You are quite correct though, the term is no way, shape or form funny. There is nothing funny about the horrible ideas contained in the typical hippie line of reasoning. The backwards thinking reflected in the typical hippie psyche really does reflect something that belongs to an age which existed 40 to 50 years ago.
You have now been included in that wonderful crop of hippies we have here at LJWorld.com like Bozo, Coneflower, BlackWalnut, Em Jones and Merrill. Congratulations for joining such an elite and intelligent crowd!
crazyks (anonymous) says…
I don't think you're going to accomplish much of anything, if you're expecting pesticides to eliminate dandelions.
I think you mean herbicides...
I for one don't mind dandelions in the least. Should be the state flower, instead of those big, nasty sunflowers.
If you obsess over dandelions and other weeds in your yard, and have to have everything perfectly manicured all the time, you're pretty anal...
Bubbles (anonymous) says…
Anybody can grow dandelions. You don't even have to try. That's why liberals like weeds so much. They don't have to do anything to get them.
Imagine that.
Bubbles (anonymous) says…
Liberals fought to ban DDT, Since the ban there have been millions of people die of malaria in africa.
Good job liberals.
http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/news...
altarego (anonymous) says…
karensisson:
Public oversight is a double edged sword. It is critical that the government not gain so much power as to be able to harm its citizens through neglect. Accountability is key.
BUT!!!
I don't trust environmentalists and sustainability advocates. I don't trust "consumer" advocates. These campaigns usually end up having more to do with ego than with any scientific reality. People are still quoting "An Inconvenient Truth" even after much of the science is refuted by the very scientists whose work was distorted or misquoted for the film.
If these issues are legitimate, then no-one need lie. Give me some facts regarding children and dogs that have been hospitalized as a result of pesticide and/or herbicide usage in public parks. I may even join you in abandoning the parks to weeds and dirt. But maybe it would be better to clear and build housing on these weeded lots and return them to the tax rolls. I mean if park maintenance is so suddenly dangerous to the public health, lets be done with it altogether.
In the mean time, if you mean public oversight to mean that every wacko has the right to bring city services to a screeching halt by virtue of the fact that they pay taxes like everybody else, then I'm with Sue Hack. The less time the city commission wastes on the silly garbage that "public oversight" has become in Lawrence, the better for ALL taxpayers. Not just the idiotic few.
I doubt the people at Parks and Rec are involved in some kind of conspiracy to poison your dog which I'm sure you don't clean up after. As far as kids go, I have worked very hard to train mine not to eat the grass. When I have time, I will look over the internets to see if I can find any example of an organization charged with the maintenance of public landscape that publishes the particular chemicals it uses. Beat me to it. Post some links. This I have got to see.
zimmerman (anonymous) says…
So the "hippies" don't want to spray public parks with dangerous chemicals. God man, we should drag 'em outta town by their long hair and unkept beards for trying to keep our children from being poisoned.
But seriously, tell me RT and b3 and gl0ck, what makes someone a "hippy" or part of the "looney left"? I'm actually curious what you think? Where do you draw the line?
If I don't have any tie-died clothes, but I voted against Bush am I still a hippy? What if I'm in the millitary, but I shop at the Merc, does that make me a looney leftist? How about if I hate the idea of another Wal-Mart, but still go to church on a regular basis? Ok, how 'bout this one: I have long hair, but I still shower everyday. Or what about if I own my own farm, but I want the war in Iraq to end? What if I'm a mother working 60 hours a week to support her kids, but I drive a bio-diesel?
It just seems that you guys should make up some sort of parameters, so you can make sure to childishly put down only the people that you have absolutely no common ground with. Or maybe you just don't care about civilized discussion. Maybe, to you, these forums are a way to let out whatever stored up agression you've been building during the day, and you don't really care about the issues being discussed at all. If so, I'm sorry for wasting your time with any kind of logical thought.
blue73harley (anonymous) says…
crazyks - you have not kept up with the LJW terminology. I thought the same thing regarding the word "pesticide". But actually pesticide can be either a herbicide or an insecticide. Look it up if ya want. So when the LJW and Parks & Rec talks about pesticide-free parks you can be assured that those are the ones full of weeds, chiggers and mosquitos and you should avoid those particular parks.
merrill (anonymous) says…
Toxic chemicals do not rebuild the soil as organic matter does nor are they necessary to maintain a beautiful park.
Toxic chemicals do contaminate our water supply with the Kaw"dead" River as a perfect example.
Why does Lawrence need high resource demand evergreen grass in our parks?
Why not develop a more natural Kansas landscape in all parks that require fewer resources with far less grass to mow. Most park areas remain idle with nothing more than green grass to mow. Seed these areas with black eyed susans and sunflowers for sunny spots with vinca for shaded areas. Also create ornamental grass beds and mulch that the city generates plenty of...
Forget toxic herbicides,pesticides and fertilizers. Organic matter is good for the soil chemicals are not.
Toxic chemicals = more obscene profits for the oil industry.
The National Park Service
Organic Act
An act to establish a National Park Service, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That there is hereby
created in the Department of the Interior a service to be called the
National Park Service, ... The service thus established shall promote
and regulate the use of the Federal areas known as national parks,
monuments, and reservations hereinafter specified by such means
and measures as conform to the fundamental purposes of the said
parks, monuments, and reservations, which purpose is
to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic
objects and the wildlife therein and to provide for the
enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such
means as will leave them unimpaired for the
enjoyment of future generations.
An organic environment improves turf and recreation areas, resulting in a safer and healthier environment for the public. http://www.ics-intl.com/turf.htm
Texas Discovery Garden:
http://www.texasdiscoverygardens.org/
karensisson (anonymous) says…
kshiker:
What an ugly attitude toward others. I guess your little world is simpler if you put a label on everyone you disagree with. Simple minds need simple techniques to cope, I guess.
Dayna38 (Dayna Lee) says…
I think what we really need is more community service to be paid to the community. We need to start ticketing kids for their crimes like curfew and smoking and then make them WEED the park to pay for their tickets.
merrill (anonymous) says…
"Liberals fought to ban DDT, Since the ban there have been millions of people die of malaria in africa."
USA bans do not apply world wide. Which BTW means that all conventionally grown produce grown in other countries can still be subjected to whatever toxic chemicals are used and ship them to the USA.
kshiker (anonymous) says…
Zimmerman and Karensisson--
First of all, my sincere apologies to Zimmerman for leaving you out of my hippie list. I was pleasantly surprised to see that you mentioned the term "logical thought." This is definitely an example of something that is lacking on this website on a daily basis. Probably because Merrill, Bozo and Friends presumably have nothing better to do than admonish people for engaging in activities they despise. The people you disagree with (including myself) happen to have a completely different worldview than you do. It is that simple.
Karensisson, just because I don't agree with how you live your life, does not mean that my worldview is any more simple or unrefined.
I am a proud Wal-Mart shopper and user of fertilizer and herbicide on my beautiful green lawn. Does this make me someone who is worthy of insults and denunciation? I would surely hope not. If you want to shop at the Merc and don't want to use any chemicals on your lawn, power to you and please enjoy. I really don't care. Just don't try to impose your values on everyone else who wants to live in our city.
Don't like Wal-Mart? Don't shop there and please feel free to encourage your friends and family not to shop there either. I will exercise my freedom to spend my hard-earned money wherever I choose. I don't like the Merc; I will not be shopping there. Please make your own choices and don't attempt to make my choice for me.
Don't like pesticides in parks? Please take your kids to other city parks which already participate in the pesticide-free program. I happen to enjoy going to a fresh-looking park with green grass and no weeds. While reasonable people will dispute the scientific rationale for your hysterical claims about sicks kids (was there any?), you cannot dispute that some people clearly prefer the status quo.
Don't like President Bush? I guess that why we have this little thing called democracy; it is a pretty big deal. You had the opportunity to vote him out of office and keep your liberal city commissioners in office and you lost on both counts. Keep fighting and better luck next time!
Want to drive a biodeisel vehicle? Again, power to you. I will drive my fuel-hogging SUV and laugh all the way to work as I see people crammed into a little Toyota Prius. I may spend more on gas, but I'm comfortable! :)
dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…
"Anybody can grow dandelions. You don't even have to try. That's why liberals like weeds so much. They don't have to do anything to get them."
Dandelions make more sense than spending lots of money and labor and growing grass, so you can cut it. A yard of wild flowers is the best, or overseed hardy plains grass, and don't waste water. Actually a yard of clover is beautiful. If you plant the right kind of grass, you can let it die back in the summer, but it will grow back when the rains come again. We live in a grassy plain biome. What a waste of water making your yard look like golf course and growing nonnative grasses.
kshiker (anonymous) says…
Dorothyhr --
I can respect that you enjoy the kind of yard that you currently have. Please respect the fact that I would not enjoy it. Count me among those who love to look out and watch my kids and dog playing in a soft, beautiful, green and freshly-cut yard. Even though this does require more mowing, water and effort, I enjoy working outside in the sunshine on my yard and wouldn't miss this time for the world. It does require more water, but I pay the more expensive bill as a consequence. People don't need to have similar interests. Even though I like something else than you do, it just means we're different, not better or worse.
emilyhadley (Emily Hadley) says…
blueharley, if the city is putting enough toxic chemical on the grass to kill mosquitos flying above it, we should definitely be concerned.
To those who think pesticide-free is either expensive or neglected, you are ignoring the cost of the chemicals and the paid labor & health care of those city employees/subcontractors who suit up, apply the chemicals, post little signs and even come back to retrieve them after the poisons have sufficiently soaked into the groundwater and vegetation. None of those, nor the health of our children or pets, comes without a serious cost.
One of the payoffs of this is preventing children, adults, and animals from ingesting harmful chemicals. While it proves to be very difficult for us to put a price tag on prevented disease, we can be sure that those using the parks will be healthier and at a lower risk without these chemicals.
If the park described in the letter needs grass, it is certainly not too difficult to spread seed, top with some straw, and keep a bit of extra moisture for the seeds to start. Chemicals to kill plants, bugs, and animals have nothing to do with planting grass. Parks and Rec spraying Roundup everywhere will not make grass grow on bare ground.
I find it sad that Mr. Guggisberg laments both that his daughters are unable to play on equipment deemed dangerous and that they play in a park free of undisclosed toxic chemicals. I am not a parent, but I would certainly take the opposite view with my beloved nieces in mind.
zimmerman (anonymous) says…
kshiker--
thank you for elevating the level of discussion.
I have no problem with anyone who has a different opinion than mine. I do have problems with a lot of the petty name calling and lack of respect towards sharing ideas on a public forum. As far as your opinions on persticides used in public parks, Wal-Mart, president Bush, etc, I strongly disagree on all counts. But since, this particular letter has to do with the parks, lets stay on that issue.
Ok, I realize most people want their public parks to have a certain level of neatness, but is there really no middleground between using dangerous chemicals (yes they are dangerous--that's why they have the labels that say they're dangerous) to try and make the park look like a golf course, and having no upkeep to the point where it looks like a wild field? A friend of mine owns a lawncare business and doesn't use any pesticides, but our yard is virtually free of weeds. I'm no expert on park upkeep, but it seems that it's definitely possible to make both sides of this discussion happy.
kshiker (anonymous) says…
Zimmerman --
My parents used herbicides and pesticides on our lawn for years. I use herbicides and pesticides on my lawn. If you look on the aforementioned label, you will see that there are instructions for mitigating the impact of the herbicide on children/animals. If you actually follow the instructions, there is virtually no risk of contamination from these chemicals. I have yet to see anyone quote any scientific evidence to prove the link between the PROPER use of lawn-related herbicides to any form of illness.
Is it a good idea to roll naked in the grass immediately after the application of a weed-killing agent? Probably not. That is why you shouldn't do it. What you should do is follow the application directions and manage your children/pets like a responsible adult.
This may be a big surprise, but I'm actually a very big believer in the value of bio-dynamic farming if you choose to make that your particular business practice. There is a large and growing market out there for organically-grown produce and meat. However, not everyone buys into these arguments or are interested in organic products.
The last two sentences of your post I think are extremely practical. With respect to your friend who owns an organic lawncare business, power to him. If you are interested in maintaing your lawn without the use of herbicides, then you should hire someone like him. I am not interested in hiring someone like this. I will apply a herbicide to my lawn when appropriate.
If you are interested in taking your children to a park that does not use herbicides or pesticides, then please do so. There are options available currently to satisfy this need. If you are not interested in this like myself, then you can attend a city park which is not herbicide or pesticide free. It is that simple! Consumer choice is a good thing.
karensisson (anonymous) says…
kshiker:
Scroll up and re-read your 10:47 post, then try again to act superior and more rational than others. Your posts are filled with slurs and ad hominem attacks and stereotypes. And with that, I'm done reading or responding to your posts. Some people are not worth the time.
coneflower (anonymous) says…
Just wondering how much it costs to water the parks every summer, and how much money would be saved on water alone with buffalo grass.
Lawns are one of the most wasteful ideas on the planet. In my neighborhood people have these 10,000 square foot lots or more, and you never, ever see anybody using them. They build these teeny tiny decks and sit out back on the decks, and you never see a human on the front lawn at all. What a waste - of water, pesticide, fertilizer, lawn mower fuel, energy and time.
erod0723 (anonymous) says…
I was gonna add something, but I don't really want to get involved in a turf war.
merrill (anonymous) says…
RoundUp--Lymphoma Connection
Sadhbh O' Neill, "Genetic Concern."
A recent study by eminent oncologists Dr. Lennart Hardell and Dr. Mikael Eriksson of Sweden [1], has revealed clear links between one of the world's biggest selling herbicide, glyphosate, to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a form of cancer [2].
In the study published in the 15 March 1999 Journal of American Cancer Society, the researchers also maintain that exposure to glyphosate 'yielded increased risks for NHL.' They stress that with the rapidly increasing use of glyphosate since the time the study was carried out, 'glyphosate deserves further epidemiologic studies.'
Glyphosate, commonly known as Roundup, is the world's most widely used herbicide. It is estimated that for 1998, over a 112,000 tonnes of glyphosate was used world-wide. It
indiscriminately kills off a wide variety of weeds after application and is primarily used to control annual and perennial plants.
merrill (anonymous) says…
con't :
71% of genetically engineered crops planted in 1998 are designed to be resistant to herbicides such as glyphosate, marketed by Monsanto as Roundup. Companies developing herbicide resistant crops are also increasing their production capacity for the herbicides such as glyphosate, and also requesting permits for higher residues of these chemicals in genetically engineered food. For example, Monsanto have already received permits for a threefold increase in herbicide residues on genetically engineered soybeans in Europe and the U.S., up from 6 parts per million (PPM) to 20 PPM.
According to Sadhbh O' Neill of Genetic Concern, 'this study reinforces concerns by environmentalists and health professionals that far from reducing herbicide use, glyphosate resistant crops may result in increased residues to which we as consumers will be exposed in our food.'
'Increased residues of glyphosate and its metabolites are already on sale via genetically engineered soya, common in processed foods. However no studies of the effects of GE soya sprayed with Roundup on health have been carried out either on animals or humans to date,' she continued.
The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) statistics from 1997 show that expanded plantings of Roundup Ready soybeans (i.e. soybeans genetically engineered to be tolerant to the herbicide) resulted in a 72% increase in the use of glyphosate. According to the Pesticides Action Network, scientists estimate that plants genetically engineered to be herbicide resistant will actually triple the amount of herbicides used. Farmers, knowing that their crop can tolerate or resist being killed off by the herbicides, will tend to use them more liberally.
O' Neill concluded: 'The EPA when authorising Monsanto's field trials for Roundup-ready sugar beet did not consider the issue of glyphosate. They considered this to be the remit of the Pesticides Control Service of the Department of Agriculture. Thus nobody has included the effects of increasing the use of glyphosate in the risk/benefit analysis carried out. It is yet another example of how regulatory authorities supposedly protecting public health have failed to implement the 'precautionary principle' with respect to GMOs.'
coneflower (anonymous) says…
merrill (Anonymous) says:
RoundUp-Lymphoma Connection
Sadhbh O' Neill, "Genetic Concern."
What kind of a city would ban smoking to protect people from a risk they couldn't avoid, then poison the public walkways with a carcinogen?
Thanks for post
coneflower (anonymous) says…
Now I wonder why our friend, on the grounds crew for a university for >20 years, and his wife both contracted non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. I wonder how much Roundup he has sprayed.
erod0723 (anonymous) says…
Personally, i use the blood of unborn fetuses to keep the weeds away. I get my stock straight from Dr Tiller.
crazyks (anonymous) says…
Oh, please, stick to the topic and stop trying to highjack the thread with a different one...
crazyks (anonymous) says…
Well, who knew, Harley...
I've always figured that pesticides were used to eliminate pests...and I always thought that pests were things like bugs...
Unless all those weeds are getting up at night, when nobody's looking, and walking around "stalking" people...
pelliott (anonymous) says…
the merrygoround was obviously not native to the grasslands. Inane, maybe not, he might even have kids. Maybe he should get off his butt, meet with his neighbors and and hold a neighborhood pesticide sale. the could spray their yards if they want. THen he could use the money to put playground equiptment in the park. That would be a safe place for the kids to play. Kids ruin the grass anyway. I still prefer to watch kids grow than the shiney ugly chemo turf.
erod0723 (anonymous) says…
crazyks,
I was trying to bring levity into the conversation, and my attempt at humor was unwise. I apologize.
If the city wants to return the parks back to a more natural state, then I am fine with that. However, if the city wants to keep the parks looking pristine and appealing to residents and guests, then pesticide/herbacide use is necessary. If you take a look at the parks in which pesticides were not used, you will see that they do not look nearly as nice as the ones that do use pesticides. If the city decides to go a pesticide free route, then they need to come out and say, "Hey, the parks will not look as nice, but we do not use toxins." The effort to keep the same quality of parks without pesticide use is failing.
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Bubbles (Anonymous) says:
Liberals fought to ban DDT, Since the ban there have been millions of people die of malaria in africa.
Good job liberals.
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One of the dumbest things posted today. Wait, where's Dambudzo?
dorothyhr (Dorothy Hoyt-Reed) says…
My son looks at me and my husband funny, because we get so excited about seeing large flocks of geese, hawks, and eagles. He grew up seeing these sights. When we were younger the bird population had dropped rapidly, because of DDT, so we love seeing all the birds. I remember the trucks coming down the streets, spraying that stuff. Our parents would have to keep us in, and it smelled awful, but I still was eaten up with mosquitos every summer. What a waste of time and money; not to mention the cost to our natural beauty.
You don't have to use all the chemicals and water to have a nice lawn if you use native grasses and clover, and seed it often. I'd rather see children playing in a yard of green that isn't poisoning them. Besides, most people I know who go to so much trouble to make that "golf course" lawn hate to have children playing on it, because it tramples the grass. I'm glad to hear kshiker isn't that radical.
altarego (anonymous) says…
I have learned not to try and read merrills posts. But somewhere in there and on this thread is the idea that there is an actual and viable alternative to traditional landscaping in these public parks. Do any of the advocates of pesticide-free public spaces know of an an example? A municipality at least the size of Lawrence that has successfully rolled out a plan with a few years of track record?
My assumption that pesticide/herbacide/fertilizer free parks would go to weed and dirt is based on my observation of natural Kansas landscape. Not that it isn't beautiful, but you can't exactly play in it without ruining it. Moving into a new realm of park design and maintenance is more complicated than accusing Parks and Rec of poisoning your children. Its easy to say on a message board how easy it would be and how stupid the city is for not implementing it.
You know what I think we need?
A consultant.
In the mean time, until someone comes up with a viable and implementable plan, I will encourage Parks and Rec to maintain the public spaces in their charge as effectively and economically as they can. It's hot out there. Good job, guys.
kshiker (anonymous) says…
Karensisson --
I'm extremely saddened by the fact that you will no longer be reading my posts. Wow, the knife has truly stabbed me deeper than I can possibly bear! Once I have completed the mourning process (this might take several seconds), I will attempt to refine my image before your eyes and become one with the hippies. Your eminent wisdom and grace have truly shown me the error of my ways. I can only hope that one day, with a little practice and indoctrination (henceforth I will shop only at the Merc, I will protest Wal-Marts wherever they exist and I will stop wasting water on personal hygiene and lawn care), I can have a wholesome existence like you! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
trinity (anonymous) says…
oh wow dorothy i remember those trucks going up&down streets&alleys in ottawa when i was a young'un. and yeah mom would snag me&get me in the house, run around closing windows etc until the fog was gone. that was always a sure indicator of summer, the skeeter fog trucks roaming town.
coneflower (anonymous) says…
Pesticide free works in my yard.